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Q. 
Can you describe it for me? 
2 
A. 
It was big. I want to say it was a pinkish 
3 
color. 
4 
Q. 
When you say, "it was big," we're on video so 
5 
you can actually show us with your hands. What are we 
6 
talking about in size here? 
7 
A. 
Size, about that long (indicating). 
8 
Q. 
Okay. And shape? 
9 
A. 
I wouldn't really know how to describe the 
10 
shape. 
11 
Q. 
Tubular? 
12 
MR. CRITTON: Form. 
13 
BY MR. 
14 
Q. 
Like a bottle? 
15 
A. 
Similar to a bottle. 
16 
Q. 
Did it resemble a part of the human anatomy at 
17 
all? 
18 
A. 
Yes. 
19 
Q. 
Did it resemble a part of the male anatomy? 
20 
A. 
Yes. 
21 
Q. 
Sorry I got to ask you, but did it resemble a 
22 
man's penis? 
23 
A. 
Yes. 
24 
Q. 
And did it have a plug attached to it? 
25 
A. 
I can't remember. 
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Q. 
Do you know what I mean when I say, "a plug?" 
2 
In other words, was it one that would plug in or was it 
3 
battery operated, if you know? 
4 
A. 
I don't know. 
5 
Q. 
But, nonetheless, you saw that in the drawer 
6 
with the oils? 
7 
A. 
Yes. 
8 
Q. 
Did you see any other massage devices in that 
9 
drawer with the oils at that point? 
10 
A. 
No. 
11 
Q. 
Okay. What did you think when you saw that? 
12 
A. 
I don't remember. 
13 
Q. 
At this point after you've set up the massage 
14 
table, she shows you the oils and you see that type of 
15 
thing in the drawer, are you nervous now? 
16 
A. 
I don't remember. 
17 
Q. 
What happens next? 
18 
A. 
Jeffrey walks in the room. 
19 
Q. 
Describe him for me that first time that you 
20 
saw him. 
21 
A. 
I don't remember. 
22 
Q. 
Was he fully clothed? 
23 
A. 
I can't remember. 
24 
Q. 
What happens when he walks in? 
25 
A. 
He walks in, introduces himself, lays on the 
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table. 
2 
Q. 
When he lays on the table, was he undressed? 
3 
A. 
He's covered. 
4 
Q. 
Okay. When you say, "covered," are you 
5 
talking from the waist down covered? 
6 
A. 
Yes. 
7 
Q. 
One towel? Big towel? Small towel? How is 
8 
he covered? 
9 
A. 
A towel. I don't know the size. 
10 
Q. 
Okay. Could you still see his legs? 
11 
A. 
Yes. 
12 
Q. 
And does 
leave the room at this point? 
13 
A. 
Yes. 
14 
Q. 
What happens next? 
15 
A. 
I start giving him a massage. 
16 
Q. 
Are you clothed? 
17 
A. 
Yes. 
18 
Q. 
Before 
leaves, does she discuss anything 
19 
with you about your clothes; in other words, taking them 
20 
off, leaving them on, anything like that? 
21 
A. 
No. 
22 
Q. 
When Mr. Epstein comes in the room for the 
23 
first time that time, does he say anything to you othe:. 
24 
than hello? 
25 
A. 
No. 
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Q. 
Does he discuss with you before he lays down 
2 
anything about your clothing? 
3 
A. 
Not that I can remember. 
4 
Q. 
At this point you're 16 years old? 
5 
A. 
Yes. 
6 
Q. 
Or 15? 
7 
A. 
Sixteen. 
8 
Q. 
You're in a bathroom alone with a man who'.
9 
got a towel over himself and you're giving him a 
10 
massage. 
11 
(Brief interruption.) 
12 
BY MR. 
13 
Q. 
Sorry for the interruption. 
14 
At this point you're 16. You're in a bathroom 
15 
alone with a man you'd never met before who's 
16 
essentially naked but for a towel and you're giving him 
17 
a massage. Are you nervous? 
18 
A. 
I don't know. 
19 
Q. 
What happens next? 
20 
A. 
I start massaging him. We're talking, 
21 
conversating. 
22 
Q. 
About what? 
23 
A. 
Life. 
24 
Q. 
Like? 
25 
A. 
School, family. 
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Q. 
Did you tell him you were in high school? 
2 
MR. CRITTON: Form. 
3 
THE WITNESS: No. 
4 
BY MR. 
5 
Q. 
You were talking about school. What are you 
6 
talking about? 
7 
A. 
I didn't specify. 
a 
Q. 
At that point does he ask you how old you are: 
9 
A. 
No. I voluntarily tell him I'm 18. 
10 
Q. 
You told him at that point? 
11 
A. 
Yes. 
12 
Q. 
And that was obviously not true? 
13 
A. 
That was not true. 
14 
Q. 
What happens next? 
15 
A. 
We're still massaging. I'm still conversating 
16 
with him. 
17 
Q. 
Okay. Next? 
18 
A. 
I'm sorry. Next, my skirt comes off and I'm 
19 
still clothed, but I'm in my thong giving him a massage. 
20 
He tries to touch me. I refuse and I don't let it 
21 
happen. And then the massage ends and before it ends, 
22 
he -- he masturbates. 
23 
Q. 
While you're still in the room? 
24 
A. 
Yes. 
25 
Q. 
Does he take the towel off to do this? 
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A. 
Yes. 
2 
Q. 
Do you see him? 
3 
A. 
Yes. 
4 
Q. 
All right. At that point what are you 
5 
thinking? 
6 
A. 
I don't remember what I was thinking. 
7 
Q. 
Now, it's obviously upsetting to you today. 
8 
And as I mentioned at the beginning, I'm sorry I have to 
9 
go through these questions, but you had gone there 
10 
voluntarily, right? 
11 
A. 
That's correct. 
12 
Q. 
And you told him you were 18? 
13 
A. 
Yes. 
14 
Q. 
Why is it upsetting to you still? 
15 
MR. CRITTON: Form. 
16 
THE WITNESS: Because I now know what I was 
17 
doing was wrong and I have so much regret for it. 
18 
BY MR. 
19 
Q. 
Do you think you didn't realize the full 
20 
extent of what was going on at that time? 
21 
MR. CRITTON: Form. 
22 
BY MR. 
23 
Q. 
Let me ask it this way: Given your age of 16 
24 
at the time and looking back on it now, do you think you 
25 
fully realized what you were getting yourself into? 
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MR. CRITTON: Form. 
2 
THE WITNESS: I don't think I'll ever realize 
3 
what I was getting myself into. I still don't know 
4 
what I was thinking. 
5 
BY MR. 
6 
Q. 
Now that you're in your twenties, do you fee_ 
7 
a little bit smarter about decisions you may make in 
8 
your life? 
9 
A. 
Yes. 
10 
MR. CRITTON: Form. 
11 
BY MR. 
12 
Q. 
You think that comes with age? 
13 
MR. CRITTON: Form. 
14 
THE WITNESS: Yes. 
15 
BY MR. 
16 
Q. 
Okay. All right. After this all occurs, what 
17 
happens next? 
18 
A. 
After the massage, I go downstairs. I ge-
19 
paid. We leave. 
20 
Q. 
Who pays you? 
21 
A. 
I can't remember. 
22 
Q. 
Do you remember if the money came from 
23 
or Tony or whether it came from one of 
24 
Mr. Epstein's people, like 
or someone else? 
25 
A. 
Definitely not one of his people, but I 
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can't -- I can't be accurate. I don't know. 
2 
Q. 
Okay. You mentioned that the skirt came off. 
3 
Did you take it off or did he? 
4 
A. 
I did. 
5 
Q. 
Why? 
6 
A. 
I don't know. 
7 
Q. 
Did he ask you to? 
8 
A. 
I don't remember. 
9 
Q. 
Did your top come off at any point during 
10 
this? 
11 
A. 
I don't remember. 
12 
Q. 
You said that he tried to touch you and you 
13 
stopped him, correct? 
14 
A. 
Yes. 
15 
Q. 
Where did he try to touch you? 
16 
A. 
Below the belt. 
17 
Q. 
Did he try to touch you in the front or in the 
18 
back? 
19 
A. 
20 
Q. 
21 
A. 
22 
Q. 
23 
A. 
24 
Q. 
25 
A. 
In the front. 
At this point your skirt was off, correct? 
Yes. 
Underwear was still on? 
Yes. 
Regular type underwear? Thong type underwear? 
Thong. 
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Q. 
All right. Does he finish before you get 
2 
dressed or do you get dressed and then he finishes what. 
3 
he's doing? 
4 
A. 
I don't remember. 
5 
Q. 
At some point though you get dressed and go 
6 
downstairs? 
7 
A. 
Yes. 
8 
Q. 
How do you know how to get downstairs? Does 
9 
somebody meet you up outside the room and guide you down 
10 
or you just know where to go? 
11 
A. 
I don't remember. 
12 
Q. 
Does he say anything to you after he finishes? 
13 
A. 
Yes. 
14 
Q. 
What? 
15 
A. 
He told me that if I can bring my friends, 
16 
that for every girl that I bring to him he would pay me 
17 
$200. 
18 
Q. 
What do you think of that at that point? 
19 
A. 
At that point, I don't know. 
20 
Q. 
All right. When you go downstairs are 
21 
and Tony waiting for you? 
22 
A. 
Yes. 
23 
Q. 
Are they waiting in the kitchen? 
24 
A. 
Yes. 
25 
Q. 
Do you talk to them about what happened? 
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A. 
I don't remember. 
2 
Q. 
Do you all get in your pickup to leave at some 
3 
point? 
4 
A. 
Yes. 
5 
Q. 
When you come downstairs and meet them in tilt-
6 
kitchen, do you get the money and then immediately go or 
7 
do you stick around at all? 
8 
A. 
We don't stick around. We go. 
9 
Q. 
How long does this entire encounter occur? In 
10 
other words, we're talking about from the time when you 
11 
pull up to the house to the time that you leave, is it 
12 
approximately an hour? Two hours? Three hours? 
13 
A. 
Approximately an hour. 
14 
Q. 
When you all get in the truck to leave, at any 
15 
point do you have a conversation with Tony and 
16 
III about what had just happened? 
17 
A. 
I don't remember. 
18 
Q. 
Were you in any state of shock at that point? 
19 
MR. CRITTON: Form. 
20 
THE WITNESS: I don't remember. 
21 
BY MR. 
22 
Q. 
This next question your attorney is going to 
23 
object to, so I don't want you to say anything until she 
24 
says objection or not. 
25 
Is this the first sexual experience that you 
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1 
had ever had in your life? 
2 
MS. 
: Predicate. Relevance. Privacy. 
3 
Do not answer that question. 
4 
BY MR. 
5 
Q. 
Same thing. Is this the first sexual 
6 
experience you had in your life with a man that was not 
7 
close to your age? 
8 
MS. 
: Same objection. 
9 
Do not answer. 
10 
BY MR. 
11 
Q. 
When you got to the house and saw Mr. Epstein 
12 
for the first time, could you give us an idea on how old 
13 
he looked; in other words, what age you thought he was, 
14 
approximately? 
15 
A. 
Late forties, early fifties. 
16 
Q. 
Okay. Clearly not your age? 
17 
A. 
Clearly. 
18 
MR. CRITTON: Form. 
19 
BY MR. 
20 
Q. 
Your age being 16? 
21 
A. 
Yes. 
22 
Q. 
All right. After that first time, you leave 
23 
and get in the car with 
and Tony, are you 
24 
driving? 
25 
A. 
Yes. 
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Q. 
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you go? 
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10 
11 
12 
13 
what you did with it? 
14 
15 
Q. 
16 
17 
18 
19 
20 
21 
22 
next time. 
23 
24 
25 
Do you drop them back off somewhere? Where do 
3 
A. 
I don't remember. 
4 
Q. 
You got paid $200? 
5 
A. 
Yes. 
6 
Q. 
Cash? 
7 
A. 
Yes. 
8 
Q. 
What do you do with it? 
A. 
Shopping. 
Q. 
Where did you go? 
A. 
I don't remember. 
Q. 
Do you remember what you went shopping for o.c 
A. 
I don't. I can't recall. 
When you leave the house, do you all go 
somewhere in between taking 
and Tony home; 
in other words, do you go to eat, do you go to a store, 
anything like that, that you can remember doing or do 
you just go and take them home? 
A. 
I really can't recall. 
Q. 
All right. Let's talk about now the -- the 
What's the next time that anything occurs 
where you are going to go to Mr. Epstein's house or you 
hear anything about Jeffrey? 
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A. 
Is when I brought a girl over. 
2 
Q. 
Okay. How did you know to do that? Was it 
3 
the conversation you had in the room with him that first 
4 
time? 
5 
A. 
-- I had exchanged my number with 
6 
Q. 
Okay. 
7 
A. 
And I don't know how we came into contact 
8 
after that day, but the next time was with a woman, a 
9 
girl. 
10 
Q. 
Okay. So at some point you gave your phone 
11 
number to 
12 
A. 
Yes. 
13 
Q. 
Was it -- that before or after you had gone in 
14 
the room for the massage with Jeffrey? 
15 
A. 
I don't remember. 
16 
Q. 
Was it before you left the house that day; in 
17 
other words --
18 
A. 
Yes. 
19 
Q. 
-- did you call her and give her the number or 
20 
did you just give it to her in person when you were 
21 
there? 
22 
A. 
Yes, I gave it to her in person. 
23 
Q. 
Okay. And did she call you about getting 
24 
another girl for Jeffrey or did you call her that first. 
25 
time? 
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1 
A. 
I don't remember. 
2 
Q. 
Who was the first girl that you brought over 
3 
to Jeffrey's house? 
4 
A. 
I don't know. 
5 
Q. 
How many girls ultimately did you bring over 
6 
to Jeffrey's house? 
7 
A. 
Maybe a dozen. 
8 
Q. 
Why? 
9 
A. 
I don't know. I don't know. 
10 
Q. 
For the money? 
11 
MR. CRITTON: Form. 
12 
THE WITNESS: I don't know. 
13 
BY MR. 
14 
Q. 
Looking back on it, bad decision? 
15 
MR. CRITTON: Form. 
16 
THE WITNESS: Yes. 
17 
BY MR. 
18 
Q. 
You regret doing it? 
19 
A. 
Yes. 
20 
MR. CRITTON: Form. 
21 
BY MR. 
22 
Q. 
Why? 
23 
A. 
It's consumed so much of my life. 
24 
Q. 
Thinking about the other girls for a moment, 
25 
you think it was a bad decision bringing them over? 
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MR. CRITTON: Form. 
2 
THE WITNESS: Yes. 
3 
BY MR. 
4 
Q. 
Why? 
5 
A. 
I wouldn't be in this position if I didn't. 
6 
Q. 
Do you think it was harmful to them at all? 
7 
A. 
I don't know. 
8 
MR. CRITTON: Form. 
9 
BY MR. 
10 
Q. 
Did you think about them at any point? 
11 
A. 
No. 
12 
Q. 
How it may affect them or their lives? 
13 
A. 
Nope. 
14 
Q. 
How about today? 
15 
MR. CRITTON: Form. 
16 
THE WITNESS: Yes. 
17 
BY MR. 
18 
Q. 
What do you think? 
19 
MR. CRITTON: Form. 
20 
THE WITNESS: I don't know what to think. 
21 
BY MR. 
22 
Q. 
Do you think it may have negatively affected 
23 
those girls that you brought over? 
24 
MR. CRITTON: Form. 
25 
THE WITNESS: I don't know. 
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BY MR. 
2 
Q. 
Obviously it's bothered you even today, 
3 
correct? 
4 
A. 
Yes. 
5 
MR. CRITTON: Form. 
6 
BY MR. 
7 
Q. 
Think it was a bad decision for you? 
8 
MR. CRITTON: Form. 
9 
MS. 
: Asked and answered as well, 
10 
several times. 
11 
THE WITNESS: Yes. 
12 
BY MR. 
13 
Q. 
Equally was bad for them? 
14 
MR. CRITTON: Form. 
15 
THE WITNESS: I don't know. 
16 
BY MR. 
17 
Q. 
Okay. Do you remember the names of the 
18 
approximately 12 girls that you brought over? 
19 
A. 
Yes. 
20 
Q. 
Let's go through them. 
21 
A. 
22 
Another girl named II 
23 
Q. 
24 
A. 
Yeah. 
I'm sorry. I'm having --
25 
Q. 
It's okay. 
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Who else? 
2 
A. 
That's all I can remember right now. 
3 
Q. 
Okay. How soon after that first time that you 
4 
went over did you bring the first girl over with you? 
5 
A. 
Days. 
6 
Q. 
How did you explain to that first girl what 
7 
she was going to be getting into or what she was going 
8 
to do? 
9 
A. 
Same way I was explained. 
10 
Q. 
Did you explain to that girl that she might 
11 
have to get undressed or did you leave that out? 
12 
A. 
No, I didn't say that. 
13 
Q. 
You left that part of it out? 
14 
A. 
Yes. 
15 
Q. 
Why? 
16 
A. 
I don't know. 
17 
Q. 
Think it would have been harder to convince a 
18 
girl to go over to the house if they knew they might 
19 
have to get naked? 
20 
A. 
I don't know. 
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23 
Q. 
Would you have gone over that first time 
III 
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told you that you might have to take your clothes off? 
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THE WITNESS: I don't know. 
2 
BY MR. 
3 
Q. 
All right. But nonetheless you left that part 
4 
out when you explained to the first girl about what was 
5 
going to happen, correct? 
6 
A. 
Yes. 
7 
Q. 
And that first girl that you explained this 
8 
thing to, did you tell her she was going to make money 
9 
going over there for a massage? 
10 
A. 
Yes. 
11 
Q. 
Did you tell her that it was an older man that 
12 
lived on the Island? 
13 
A. 
Yes. 
14 
Q. 
Did you tell her it was a rich billionaire 
15 
that lived on the Island? 
16 
A. 
Yes. 
17 
Q. 
You don't remember that first girl's name or 
18 
which one that was? 
19 
A. 
No, I do not. 
20 
Q. 
The girls that you brought over to Jeffrey's 
21 
home, 12-some-odd girls, were all of them under the age 
22 
of 18? 
23 
A. 
I'm sorry. Can you repeat that? 
24 
Q. 
Yeah. The 12-some-odd girls that you brought 
25 
over to Jeffrey's house, were they all under the age of 
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18? 
2 
A. 
No. 
3 
Q. 
You brought an older girl over in her --
4 
A. 
Yes. 
5 
Q. 
-- twenties, right? 
6 
A. 
Yes. 
7 
Q. 
What was her name? 
8 
A. 
9 
Q. 
How did you know 
10 
A. 
Through her brother. 
11 
Q. 
And 
was about 
what? -- 23? 24? 
12 
A. 
I believe 23. 
13 
Q. 
Okay. After you brought 
over, what did 
14 
Jeffrey say about her? 
15 
A. 
She was old. 
16 
Q. 
Did he tell you what he meant by that? 
17 
A. 
No. 
18 
Q. 
What did you take that to mean? 
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THE WITNESS: That she was old. 
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22 
Q. 
Did you get the impression that Jeffrey wanted 
23 
girls that were about your age; in other words, around 
24 
16 years old? 
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THE WITNESS: I don't understand that 
2 
question. 
3 
BY MR. 
4 
Q. 
Other than 
, had you brought any girls 
5 
over that were in their twenties? 
6 
A. 
No. 
7 
Q. 
Was she the only girl that you can remember 
8 
bringing over that was over the age of 18? 
9 
A. 
Yes. 
10 
Q. 
So all the other girls that you brought over 
11 
were how old? I mean, what was the youngest? Wail' 
12 
the youngest? 
13 
A. 
II was the youngest. 
14 
Q. 
She was how old? 
15 
A. 
Fourteen. 
16 
Q. 
Fourteen the first time you brought her over, 
17 
correct? 
18 
A. 
Yes. 
19 
Q. 
And you knewIll through your cousin? 
20 
A. 
Yes. 
21 
Q. 
Okay. So you were bringing girls over from 
22 
age 14 to age 17, right? 
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THE WITNESS: Yes. 
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