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2 Q. And have you learned where she was living when she
3 was about 17-years old?
4 A. Yes.
5 Q. Where was she living?
6 A. In West Palm Beach area.
7 Q. Was she in school at the time?
8 A. Yes.
9 Q. Did there come a point in time when learned
10 about Jeffrey Epstein?
11 A. Yes.
12 Q. How did that happen?
13 A. One of her friends told her about a girl -- I'm
14 sorry. Someone told her about being able to make money to
15 massage a rich guy in West Palm Beach, and she agreed to do
16 that.
17 Q. Did she ultimately end up going to Epstein's
18 residence in Palm Beach, Florida?
19 A. Yes.
20 Q. Approximately how many times?
21 A. Multiple times.
22 Q. Approximately how old was she when she first went
23 to Epstein's house?
24 A. Approximately 16 or 17 years old.
25 Q. During the times that she went there, did she
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explain to you what would typically happen when she went to
2 Epstein's house?
3 A. Yes.
4 Q. What are some of the things that she has described
5 to you that occurred while she was at the residence?
6 A. She talked about having to massage him without her
7 clothes on, in just her panties or nude. She talked about
8 having to play with his nipples while he masturbated and
9 that he touched her breasts, her genital area and used a
10 vibrator on her genital area.
11 Q. Generally speaking, where would this occur?
12 A. In the massage room at the West Palm Beach
13 residence.
14 Q. During these massages, did Epstein ever instruct
15 her to use lotions?
16 A. Yes.
17 Q. What kind of lotions?
18 A. Bath and Body Works.
19 Q. what has she told you about any payment she
20 received for these sessions?
21 A. She said she received $200.
22 Q. How was she paid?
23 A. Hundred dollar bills.
24 Q. Who would pay her?
25 A. Epstein or
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Q. We'll talk a little bit more about in a
2 moment. But let me ask for now, what, if anything, did she
3 say to you about a conversation she had with Epstein about
4 her age?
5 A. She said that she told him she was under 18 and he
6 made comments to her that if she was 18 he's help her with
7 her modeling career or when she became 18 he could help her.
8 He told her that if she was 18 he would've taken her to
9 party.
10 Q. When you met with , what was her demeanor
11 like when she discussed what happened with Epstein during
12 these sessions?
13 A. She became upset when she went into further detail
14 about what occurred.
15 Q. When you say she was "upset," can you just explain
16 for us a little bit what it was like talking to her about
17 those experiences?
18 A. It was emotional. I mean, there were tears, there
19 were some tears.
20 Q. Were there some details she wasn't as comfortable
21 talking about?
22 A. Yes.
23 Q. Has told you that she's gone through
24 psychological treatment, in part to cope with her
25 experiences with Epstein?
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A. Yes.
2 Q. Has she ever been hospitalized relating to those
3 issues?
4 A. Yes.
5 Q. What was she hospitalized for?
6 A. Self harm, cutting herself.
7 Q. I want to switch gears and talk about a few
8 records relating to . If we could turn to slide 24.
9 What's depicted on this slide?
10 A. So this is a calendar page. This was taken from
11 her senior year school planner. And on this page you can
12 see she wrote in, Jeffrey, up here on the 9th, and then
13 Jeffrey's listed on the 29th.
14 Q. Just to give some context. Are these the pages
15 from October 2004 from her senior year school planner?
16 A. Yes.
17 Q. And are there listed some of her activities and
18 events throughout that month?
19 A. Yes.
20 Q. In October 2004, would have been 17?
21 A. Yes.
22 Q. Let's talk just a little bit about the two areas
23 that you flagged in the circles. So looking at the top
24 right red circle that's underneath and to the right of the
25 entry that says, new school. Is Jeffrey written on that
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Saturday, the 9th?
2 A. Yes.
3 Q. And at the bottom, the circle there that's just
4 under the entry for homecoming game. Is there an entry for:
5 Jeffrey comes back?
6 A. Yes.
7 Q. Have you talked with about what she would
8 typically do with the money that she was paid --
9 A. Yes.
10 Q. -- when she went to go to Epstein's house?
11 A. Yes.
12 Q. Just as a reminder, can you explain for us what
13 she's told you about how she was paid?
14 A. She said she was paid in hundred dollar bills.
15 Q. And who would pay her?
16 A. Epstein or
17 Q. What would she do with that money?
18 A. She'd deposit it in her bank, bank account.
19 Q. Was her memory that she generally did that or that
20 she did that absolutely every time that she went there?
21 A. That she generally did it.
22 Q. And has she provided you with copies of records
23 from her bank account during that time period?
24 A. Yes.
25 Q. All right. Turning to the next slide. Sorry.
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1 Before we move on to slide 25. Here on slide 24. The red
2 circles that are here, are those that you've added to aid
3 the Grand Jury in spotting those two locations or did
4 circle those in her planner?
5 A. No, those were added.
6 Q. So turning to slide 25. You've testified that
7 provided you with some of her bank records. What are
8 we looking at on this slide?
9 A. So this is an October 2004 deposit and in it she
10 deposited two hundred dollar bills and a twenty.
11 Q. If this deposit happened on October 12th, 2004,
12 would have been 17?
13 A. Yes.
14 Q. Turning to slide 26. Is this another deposit slip
15 and this one on November 9th, 2004?
16 A. Yes.
17 Q. Is this another deposit slip that provided
18 you?
19 A. Yes.
20 Q. What, if anything, did you notice about this
21 deposit slip?
22 A. It's two -- she deposited $200.
23 Q. Does the deposit slip note what kind of bills she
24 deposited?
25 A. Hundreds.
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Q. Based on the date of this deposit, would
2 have been 17 when this happened?
3 A. Yes.
4 Q. Did explain to you, in general, how these
5 sessions with Epstein were scheduled?
6 A. Yes.
7 Q. What did she explain to you about how that worked?
8 A. That she spoke on the phone with , who
9 would schedule her to work.
10 Q. What was her understanding of who
11 was?
12 A. His assistant.
13 Q. In general, what kinds of things would they
14 discuss on the phone call?
15 A. They'd talk about when she was available, or
16 would tell her, you know, that she was coming down to
17 that they were coming down to West Palm Beach.
18 Q. And did ever tell her where she was calling
19 from?
20 A. Yes.
21 Q. What did remember about that?
22 A. She recalled saying she was calling from New
23 York.
24 Q. And when she remembered saying she was
25 calling from New York, what was the context in which
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would explain, in general, in sum and substance why she was
2 calling from New York?
3 A. She was telling that they would be arriving
4 in West Palm Beach on a certain date and to ask her when
5 she's available.
6 Q. In these phone conversations with , what kind
7 of terminology did typically use to refer to these
8 sessions?
9 A. She referred to it as "work."
10 Q. Did remember having scheduling calls with
11 anyone except for
12 A. Yes.
13 Q. Did she remember getting calls from anyone else?
14 A. Yes.
15 Q. What did she remember?
16 A. She remembered getting calls from
17 Q. What was her understanding of who was?
18 A. That she was another assistant of his.
19 Q. And in sum and substance, what would she talk
20 about on the phone with
21 A. Same things that she talked with
22 scheduling.
23 Q. Does still have the cell phone she had as a
24 teenager during this time period?
25 A. Yes.
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Q. And what kind of phone is it?
2 A. It's a flip-phone.
3 Q. Has she shown that phone to you when you've met
4 with her?
5 A. Yes.
6 Q. Is there a contact stored in that phone for a
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8 A. Yes.
9 Q. And a phone number stored for that contact?
10 A. Yes.
11 Q. All right. I'm going to talk to you a little bit
12 about that specific phone number.
13 Turning to the next slide, to slide 27. What's on
14 this slide?
15 A. So this shows who was financially responsible for
16 this phone number, which is Jeffrey Epstein, and it shows the
17 user as associated with this phone number.
18 Q. Are these subscriber records for the phone number,
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20 A. Yes.
21 Q. Is that the phone number that's stored in the flip
22 phone that you just described that Dainya has?
23 A. Yes.
24 Q. So in these subscriber records, are these records
25 maintained by the phone company for that phone number?
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A. Yes.
2 Q. In the top two sections, do those sections explain
3 who's responsible for the account in terms of billing and
4 paying for the account?
5 A. Yes.
6 Q. And is Jeffrey Epstein and a Manhattan address
7 listed in both places?
8 A. Yes.
9 Q. At the bottom section, under user information, is
10 there information about the particular phone number and the
11 user of that phone number?
12 A. Yes.
13 Q. So, is the user listed for the phone
14 number listed as
15 A. Yes.
16 Q. And is it listed at the Manhattan address?
17 A. Yes.
18 Q. Have you reviewed phone records for 's phone
19 number during the time period we've been talking about.
20 A. Yes.
21 Q• I'm going to talk to you a little bit about some of
22 those records. If you could turn to slide 28.
23 Is this an excerpt from the phone records for
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24 s cell phone?
25 A. Yes.
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Q• On this slide there's an arrow next to the excerpt
2 and a highlighted portion. Could you just walk the Grand
3 Jury through that particular line on the record?
4 A. That was a call that was made on January 3rd at
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5 1:06 p.m. It's s number.
6 Q. So that's a record of those two phones talking to
7 each other on that date and time?
8 A. Yes.
9 Q. So if this call was between those two phones, on
10 January 3rd, 2004 (sic), I want to talk about the very next
11 day, January 4th, 2005. If you could turn to slide 29.
12 So the day after that phone call we've just
13 discussed, has provided you with a deposit slip for
14 January 4th, 2005?
15 A. Yes.
16 Q. And did she deposit cash that day?
17 A. Yes.
18 Q. About how much?
19 A. She deposited about 150, one one-hundred dollar
20 bill, two twenties and a ten.
21 Q. So just so we're clear on the timeline. On January
22 3rd, 2005, and 's phone numbers were
23 talking to each other and the very next day
24 deposited cash?
25 A. Yes.
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Q. All right. Turning to slide 30. Is this an
2 excerpt from the phone records for 's cell phone?
3 A. Yes.
4 Q. Focusing on about halfway down, the highlighted
5 line, are those records of calls on September 16th, 2004?
6 A. Yes.
7 Q. And what does this record reflect?
8 A. That a call was made at around 2:08 p.m. on
9 September 16th between and
10 Q. So sticking with this same day, September 16th,
11 2004, let me ask: Have you reviewed flight records from
12 Jeffrey Epstein's private jet?
13 A. Yes.
14 Q. And do those records log flights that he took on
15 his private jet?
16 A. Yes.
17 Q. And do those records also include flight manifests
18 that show what individuals were on that flight?
19 A. Yes.
20 Q. So turning to slide 31. What is the record
21 excerpted here?
22 A. So this shows that there was a departure on
23 September 16th from JFK to West Palm Beach and it lists all
24 the individuals that were on that flight.
25 Q. And just to take a step back for context. Can you
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1 just explain for the Grand Jury what the different fields are
2 in this record, what kind of a log this is?
3 A. So this is a flight log. It shows the dates that
4 he's flown out, his aircraft has flown out, and shows from
5 location and to the arrival destination.
6 Q. Turning to the field on the far left and going down
7 to the part where we've put an arrow, does that reflect a
8 flight on September 16th, 2004?
9 A. Yes.
10 Q. Do you recognize the airport codes to the right of
11 that that reflect the point of departure and arrival?
12 A. Yes.
13 Q. So what is this particular flight?
14 A. So this is JFK in New York. PBI is West Palm
15 Beach.
16 Q. In addition to this log of different flights, have
17 you also looked at the particular flight manifest for the
18 September 16th, 2004 flight we've been talking about?
19 A. Yes.
20 Q. Turning to page 32. Is this the passenger manifest
21 we've been talking about?
22 A. Yes.
23 Q. Is this the passenger manifest for the September
24 16th, 2004 flight we've just talked about?
25 A. About halfway down to the area where there's a
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1 circle, is that a circle that we've added for this
2 presentation?
3 A. Yes.
4 Q. Is listed as a passenger on a flight
5 on September 16th, 2004?
6 A. Yes.
7 Q. What are the listed times and departure and arrival
8 locations for this flight?
9 A. So they departed at 8:05 p.m. and arrived in Went
10 Palm at 10:16 p.m.
11 Q. Just so we have the timeline straight. If we could
12 back to slide 30. I believe you testified earlier that the
13 phone call highlighted here is on September 16, 2004 at 2:00
14 o'clock, is that correct?
15 A. Yes.
16 Q. So if this call occurred at 2:00 o'clock on tha.
17 day, would that have been about six hours before that flight
18 took off from JFK?
19 A. Yes.
20 Q. And in your conversations with , did she ever
21 tell you that Epstein asked her to bring girls for him?
22 A. Yes.
23 Q. What did she tell you about that?
24 A. She said that he asked her if she had friends to
25 bring.
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Q. And how did she respond?
2 A. She took two girls.
3 Q. When you say "she took two girls," did she bring
4 girls to Epstein's house?
5 A. Yes.
6 Q. Were those girls minors?
7 A. Yes.
8 Q. If you could give me just one moment.
9 Special Agent have you told the Grand Jury
10 everything that you know about this case or have you just
11 answered the questions that I've asked?
12 A. I've answered the questions you've asked.
13 Q. When you testified about the documents that you
14 reviewed or the conversations that you had with others, were
15 you testifying to the exact words used or just the substance
16 of the documents or those conversations?
17 A. Just to the substance.
18 Q. And are you willing to return to the Grand Jury if
19 the Grand Jury has any further questions for you?
20 A. Yes.
21 MS. Okay. With the Foreperson's permission
22 I'd ask that the witness be excused.
23 FOREPERSON. You're excused.
24 (Witness Excused)
25 (Time Noted: 2:11 p.m.)
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