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UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
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JEFFERY EPSTEIN
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(2018R01618)
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10 United States Courthouse
Foley Square
11 New York, New York
12 June 18, 2019
12:57 p.m.
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14 APPEARANCE S:
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Assistant United States Attorney
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17 Assistant United States Attorney
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Assistant United States Attorney
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Acting Grand Jury RepoLt_eL
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1 (Colloquy Precedes)
2 (Witness Enters Room)
3 (Time Noted: 1:08 p.m.)
4 called as a witness, having been duly sworn by
5 the Foreperson of the Grand Jury, was examined and
6 testified as follows:
7 BY MS.
8 Q. Good afternoon Special Agent
9 A. Good afternoon.
10 Q. Could you please state and spell your full name
11 for the record?
12 A.
13 Q. Where do you currently work?
14 A. The FBI.
15 Q. What is your title there?
16 A. Special Agent.
17 Q. How long have you worked as a special agent for
18 the FBI?
19 A. For over two years.
20 Q. Where are you currently assigned?
21 A. The Violent Crimes Against Children squad.
22 Q. What are your duties and responsibilities as a
23 special agent on that squad?
24 A. I work child exploitation and human trafficking
25 matters. We also work international and parental
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3 UNITED STATES GRAND JURY
4 SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK
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UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
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JEFFERY EPSTEIN
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(2018R01618)
9 -x
10 United States Courthouse
Foley Square
11 New York, New York
12 June 18, 2019
12:57 p.m.
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14 APPEARANCE S:
15
Assistant United States Attorney
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17 Assistant United States Attorney
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Assistant United States Attorney
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Acting Grand Jury RepoLt_eL
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kidnappings.
2 Q. Have you participated in an investigation of
3 Jeffrey Epstein and his associates?
4 A. Yes.
5 Q. Have you spoken with other people, including other
6 law enforcement officers, about this investigation?
7 A. Yes.
8 Q. Have you reviewed reports and documents prepared
9 by others regarding this case?
10 A. Yes.
11 Q. Is your testimony today based in part 0± those
12 conversations with other law enforcement officers and
13 documents that you reviewed?
14 A. Yes.
15 MS. So ladies and gentlemen, some of the
16 testimony that you're going to hear today will include
17 hearsay. As you know, that means that the witness will not
18 be testifying solely from her own observations, but that
19 she'll also be reporting what others have told her and what
20 she has read in reports and documents prepared by others.
21 Hearsay evidence is admissible in these grand jury
22 proceedings and you're free to rely on it in determining
23 whether there is probable cause to indict any proposed
24 defendants, if we end up returning to present a proposed
25 indictment.
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If, however, you would like to hear the testimony
2 of any other witness, you have the right to request it and
3 we will make reasonable efforts to bring that witness before
4 you.
5 BY MS.
6 Q. So Special Agent I'm placing in front of
7 you what's been marked as Grand Jury Exhibit 1. Do you
8 recognize that?
9 A. Yes.
10 Q. What is that?
11 A. It's a presentation that was prepared to assist in
12 testifying today.
13 Q. And did you participate in preparing that exhibit?
14 A. Yes.
15 Q. And would it assist you in testifying today?
16 A. Yes.
17 Q. Okay. So we'll make that part of the record for
18 today. Let me begin by just asking you a few questions
19 about Jeffrey Epstein and what you've learned.
20 Can you tell us, how old is Jeffrey Epstein?
21 A. He is 66.
22 Q. Based on open source reporting, what have you
23 learned about Jeffrey Epstein's professional background?
24 A. He's a wealthy individual that has a background as
25 a money manager, background in finance, working in
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1 investments.
2 Q. Is that what's been published and you reported
3 about him?
4 A. Yes.
5 Q. During the course of your investigation, have you
6 learned where Epstein maintains residences?
7 A. Yes.
8 Q. Where does he have residences?
9 A. He has a residence here in Manhattan, along with
10 Palm Beach, Virgin Islands and New Mexico.
11 Q. Does he maintain an address in Manhattan located
12 at 9 East 71st Street?
13 A. Yes.
14 Q. If we could turn to slide 2. Does that fairly and
15 accurately depict the residence?
16 A. Yes.
17 Q. Could you please describe that property for the
18 Grand Jury?
19 A. It's a multi-story residence. It's reportedly the
20 largest residence in Manhattan. It's right near Central
21 Park.
22 Q. Does Epstein also maintain an address in Palm
23 Beach, Florida, located at 358 El Brillo Way?
24 A. Yes.
25 Q. Turning to slide 3, does that fairly and
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accurately depict that residence?
2 A. Yes.
3 Q. Could you please describe that property for the
4 Grand Jury?
5 A. It's a villa in Palm Beach, right on the water,
6 has an in-ground pool along with a guest residence or
7 apartment connected to it.
8 Q. I want to turn now and talk to you about some of
9 the witnesses you've interviewed during your investigation.
10 During the course of this investigation have you
11 participated in interviews with an individual named
12
13 A. Yes.
14 Q. For today's purposes I'm just going to refer to
15 her as . About how many times have you interviewed
16
17 A. We've spoken to her approximately five times.
18 Q. Turning to the next slide. Are these photographs
19
20 A. Yes.
21 Q. Did she tell you approximately how old she was
22 when both of these photographs were taken?
23 A. Yes.
24 Q. What did she tell you?
25 A. The photo on the left she was approximately 13
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years old, and the photo on the right she would have been 17
2 years old.
3 Q. What is date of birth?
4 A. .
5 Q• In addition to your participation in interviews
6 with , have you also reviewed reports from other law
7 enforcement officers who've interviewed ?
8 A. Yes.
9 Q. And is your testimony today based on both your
10 review of those reports and also your personal participation
11 in interviews with ?
12 A. Yes.
13 FOREPERSON: Can you speak up a little bit more?
14 Okay, thanks.
15 BY MS.
16 Q. Okay. So based on your participation in this
17 investigation, have you learned where was living when
18 she was about 14 years old?
19 A. Yes.
20 Q. Where was she living?
21 A. She was living in
22 Q. Was she living with her parents?
23 A. No, not at that time.
24 Q. Why not?
25 A. She had a difficult home life.
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Q. Was she going to school?
2 A. She had started and dropped out.
3 Q. About when did she drop out of school?
4 A. The beginning of her freshman year, a few months
5 into her freshman year, approximately.
6 Q. And at about this time how was she supporting
7 herself financially, in general?
8 A. She worked different jobs. She worked in catering
9 halls, as a waitress in restaurants and in clubs.
10 Q. Did there come a time when learned about.
11 Jeffrey Epstein?
12 A. Yes.
13 Q. How did that first happen?
14 A. She met a girl named who told her that she
15 could make money if she massaged this rich guy.
16 Q. And when she heard that from , how did she
17 respond?
18 A. She wanted to make money, so she agreed.
19 Q. What did she agree to do?
20 A. She agreed to go to his residence and massage him.
21 Q. Did recall about how old she was when she
22 first went to his residence?
23 A. She said she was approximately 14.
24 Q. If was born in 1988, would she have been 14
25 in the year 2002?
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A. Yes.
2 Q. And just to confirm, the date of birth listed on
3 this slide, is that date of birth?
4 A. Yes.
5 Q. So you testified that she ultimately went to his
6 residence. Which residence was that?
7 A. The one here in Manhattan.
8 Q. About how many times did she go to Epstein's
9 residence?
10 A. Multiple times, dozens.
11 Q. During the time she went to Epstein's residence in
12 Manhattan, did she tell you about what typically would
13 happen when she would go to his house?
14 A. Yes.
15 Q. What are some of the things that she told you
16 about what happened there?
17 A. So the first time she went she went with
18 And she entered the residence; they waited in the office
19 until they were escorted upstairs to the massage room. Once
20 in the massage room Jeffrey Epstein came into the room, he
21 laid down on the table.
22 Once he was on the table a girl massaged each
23 side. And then would be asked to leave the room,
24 would stay. From there, once he turned over he
25 wanted his nipples pinched while he masturbated. Things
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progressed each additional time she went. She would have to
2 massage him while she was in her panties or without
3 underwear on or any clothes on. And then eventually he
4 would touch her. He touched her breasts, her genital area
5 and then used a vibrator on her genital area.
6 Q. Did tell you how much she was paid for each
7 of these sessions?
8 A. Yes.
9 Q. How was she paid?
10 A. $300.
11 Q. Was she paid in cash?
12 A. Yes.
13 Q. Did she remember anything in particular about the
14 way he paid her in cash?
15 A. She was paid in hundred dollar bills.
16 Q. During your interviews with what was her
17 demeanor like when she would describe to you how Epstein
18 touched her during these sessions?
19 A. She became more emotional. The more she had to
20 talk about some of the worse things that happened to her she
21 became upset about it.
22 Q. You wee explaining earlier that said she
23 was approximately 14 when this began. Did she tell you
24 whether she ever had any conversations with Epstein about
25 her age?
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A. Yes.
2 Q. What did she tell you?
3 A. She said that she told him she was 14.
4 Q. Have you asked what Epstein's house was
5 like?
6 A. Yes.
7 Q. How did she describe it to you?
8 A. She gave a lot of detail about the house. She
9 talked about the office having a round desk in it, she
10 talked about the massage room had the massage table, it had
11 lotions, it had moisturizers. On the walls there were
12 sketches or paintings of naked females on them. And she
13 also talked about a library in his residence that looked
14 like it was something from out of Beauty and the Beast.
15 Q. Is that how she described it to you?
16 A. Yes.
17 Q. So we've been talking about what you've learned
18 during interviews with . Just to take a step back,
19 how did you first establish contact with her?
20 A. My partner and I located her at her residence.
21 Q. What did she say to you when you first approached
22 her?
23 A. She was very nervous when we first talked to her.
24 And she told us that she was 16, she went and massaged
25 Epstein and he masturbated and he didn't touch her.
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Q. And again, what was her demeanor like when she
2 said this to you?
3 A. She was very nervous.
4 She was just very anxious while we
5 were speaking with her.
6 Q• Were you able to conduct a full interview of her
7 at that time?
8 A. No.
9 Q• At a later point were you able to conduct full and
10 thorough interviews with her?
11 A. Yes.
12 Q. And once you finally were able to interview her
13 did you ask her why she said that when you first approached
14 her?
15 A. Yes.
16 Q. What did she explain to you?
17 A. She told us that she didn't even really remember
18 what she had told us initially because she was so nervous,
19 she was so worried. She was really concerned that if she
20 talked to us she was going to go to jail, so she was really
21 worried about being in trouble.
22 Q. Did there come a point in time when Epstein asked
23 to bring other girls to him?
24 A. Yes.
25 Q. What happened?
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A. She did. She reached out to other girls that she
2 knew to see their interest.
3 Q. I want to ask you a little bit about what
4 told you about her role in bringing other girls to Epstein.
5 Let me first just ask, in general, how would she
6 find new girls?
7 A. She would meet them through friends of friends.
8 She met them in clubs, different social settings.
9 Q. In general, what kinds of things would she tell
10 them about what to expect?
11 A. She told them that they would have to give a
12 massage either with their underwear on or nude; that he
13 would want his nipples touched and that he would masturbate.
14 Q. Would she tell them anything about payment?
15 A. Yes.
16 Q. What would she tell them?
17 A. She'd tell them that they would get $300 for
18 massaging him.
19 Q. Did have a sense, in general, of the ages
20 of the ages of the girls that she brought to Epstein?
21 A. She estimated around approximately 13, 14-year
22 olds to 17-year olds. They were mostly underage girls that
23 she brought. She did bring a couple that were 18.
24 Q. Approximately how long did she participate in
25 bringing girls to Epstein?
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A. Approximately three years of the three years :hat
2 she went.
3 Q. So approximately how old was she when this
4 stopped?
5 A. Seventeen.
6 Q. During that time period, over those three years
7 approximately, did she have a sense of about how many girls
8 she brought over the years to Epstein's house?
9 A. She estimated approximately 20 to 50 girls.
10 Q. Did she work with anyone else in recruiting girls
11 for Epstein?
12 A. Yes.
13 Q. Who did she work with?
14 A. Another girl her age, (ph).
15 Q. Who is
16 A. She was a friend of 's that was living with
17 her at the time.
18 Q. Turning to slide 5. Did provide you with
19 this photograph?
20 A. Yes.
21 Q. And what did she explain to you about this
22 photograph?
23 A. That this is -- that that's on the left and
24 that's on the right. They were approximately 16-
25 years old at that time the picture was taken.
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Q• And during this time period, around the time when
2 this photograph was taken when they were approximately 16,
3 is that when they were working recruiting girls for Epstein?
4 A. Yes.
5 Q. In general, when would find a girl, how
6 would she go about bringing the girl to Epstein?
7 A. She would call who she believed was his or she
8 assumed was his assistant, a woman named
9 Q. Why would she call?
10 A. She would call and say, I have a girl who
11 can work, and they would schedule that appointment.
12 Q. In conversations with , is that how they
13 refer to these massage sessions, as "work"?
14 A. Yes.
15 Q. Once the session was scheduled, would go
16 with the girl to the house?
17 A. Yes.
18 Q. What would she do, in general, once she brought
19 the girl to the house?
20 A. So the first time she would take a girl they would
21 go to the residence, they'd wait in the office until they
22 could be escorted upstairs. The first time she would go
23 with a girl, she would go up with her so the girl felt
24 comfortable and kind of knew what to do. Additional visits
25 after that she would wait downstairs while the girl did the
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massage upstairs.
2 Q. Did Epstein ever give feedback to about tr.,
3 girls that she was bringing?
4 A. Yes.
5 Q. Would he ever tell her that he particularly liked
6 or didn't like a specific girl?
7 A. Yes.
8 Q. And would he ever tell her to bring a specific
9 girl back or to not bring her back for other sessions?
10 A. Yes.
11 4• Over time did she notice any patterns in the girls
12 that Epstein seemed to like?
13 A. She did.
14 Q. What did she notice?
15 A. That he liked young, petite, natural girls.
16 Q. What did she mean by "natural girls"?
17 A. That girls that were under 18, weren't completely
18 developed.
19 Q. Did she recall any particular expressions that
20 Epstein would use to express his preferences when he was
21 giving her feedback about girls that she had brought?
22 A. I'm sorry. Say that again.
23 Q. In your conversations with did she recall
24 any particular expressions or phrases that Epstein would use
25 when he was explaining what girls he did or didn't like?
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A. Yeah. He would tell her, you know what I like.
2 If she brought someone he didn't like he'd be like, come on,
3 you know, you know what I like.
4 Q. What was her understanding of what that meant?
5 A. She understood that to mean girls who were under
6 18.
7 Q. Did tell you how much Epstein paid her for
8 recruiting other girls?
9 A. Yes.
10 Q. And how much did he pay her?
11 A. $300.
12 Q. And was that for each new girl or for every
13 session with the new girl when she brought her in?
14 A. That was for each new girl and every session that
15 she went with whatever girl.
16 Q. We talked a little bit about phone calls between
17 and , but I want to circle back and just talk
18 about that in a little bit more detail.
19 Can you explain for the Grand Jury, in general,
20 how would schedule these sessions?
21 A. She would schedule the sessions through
22 would either contact her on her phone or she would
23 reach out to and say she could work.
24 Q. And just to be clear, did ever call
25 A. Yes.
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Q. In sum and substance, what are some of the kinds
2 of things that she would discuss on the phone with
3 A. When she'd be available to massage him. They'd
4 talk about what girls. would ask her, do you have a
5 new girl, things along those lines.
6 Q. Approximately how old was when she stopped
7 going to Epstein's house?
8 A. Around 17.
9 Q. Did she explain to you why she stopped going?
10 A. She said that the older she got she was having a
11 more difficult time finding younger girls that he preferred.
12 And at that time she also was working at a café.
13 Q. All right. So I want to switch gears and talk
14 about another witness that you've interviewed. Before I do,
15 I just want to be clear. We've been talking about some of
16 the things that has explained to you in your
17 interviews.
18 When you've been describing what she's told you,
19 were those the exact words that she used in every interview
20 or just the sum and substance of what she's relayed to you?
21 A. Sum and substance.
22 Q. During the course of this investigation have you
23 participated in interviews with an individual named
24
25 Yes.
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Q. So for today's purposes I'm just going to refer to
2 her as . Can you tell us, how many times have you
3 interviewed
4 A. Twice.
5 Q. Have you also reviewed reports from previous law
6 enforcement interviews with Courtney?
7 A. Yes.
8 Q. Is your testimony today based both on your review
9 of those reports and also your personal participation a-d
10 interviews with
11 A. Yes.
12 Q. Okay. If we could turn to the next slide, slide
13 6. Is this a photograph of
14 A. Yes.
15 Q. Approximately how old was when this
16 photograph was taken, if you know?
17 A. Approximately 19.
18 Q. What is 's date of birth?
19 A.
20 Q. Based on your participation and interviews with
21 , have you learned where she was living when she was
22 about 14 or 15?
23 A. Yes.
24 Q. Where was she living?
25 A. She was living with a friend of her,
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