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Q. Was that in the West Palm Beach area in Florida?
2 A. Yes.
3 Q. You mentioned that she was living with a friend.
4 To be clear, was she living with her parents during that
5 time?
6 A. No.
7 Q. Why not?
8 A. She had a difficult home life.
9 Q. Was she in school at that time?
10 A. She had started high school and dropped out.
11 Q. Did there come a time when learned abou-
12 Jeffrey Epstein?
13 A. Yes.
14 Q. How did she learn about Epstein?
15 A. She and were at a party together and another
16 girl their age had approached them, telling them that they
17 could make $200 to massage a rich guy in West Palm Beach.
18 Q. How did she respond when she heard that?
19 A. She agreed to do it.
20 Q. Did she end up going to Epstein's residence in
21 Palm Beach, Florida?
22 A. Yes.
23 Q. About how many times did she go to the residence?
24 A. Approximately 60 times.
25 Q. When she first started going to the house, did she
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ever go there with any of her friends?
2 A. Yes.
3 Q. Who did she go there with?
4 A. She went with and other friends
5 throughout the additional times.
6 Q. Was approximately the same age as
7
8 A. Yes.
9 Q. Did recall approximately how old she wa
10 when she first went to Epstein's house?
11 A. Yes.
12 Q. Did she remember the exact age?
13 A. No.
14 Q. What did she tell you about what she was able to
15 remember about how old she was?
16 A. She said she recalled it was the summer before her
17 9th grade year, but that she could have been 14, 15. She
18 was unsure.
19 Q. In interviews previously, had she mentioned that
20 it's possible she might have been 16?
21 A. Yes.
22 Q. But was her most recent memory that she met him at
23 approximately 14 or 15, but that she wasn't sure?
24 A. Yes.
25 Q. So if was born in 1987, would she have
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been 14 or 15 in about the year 2002?
2 A. Yes.
3 Q. All right. During the times that went to
4 Epstein's residence in Palm Beach, did she explain to you
5 what would typically happen when she went to Epstein's
6 house?
7 A. Yes.
8 Q. What did she describe to you about, in general,
9 the kinds of things that would happen when she would go to
10 his house?
11 A. So she explained that she would go to the
12 residence, she'd be escorted upstairs. Sometimes it was
13 with a friend. Each girl would massage a side of Epstein,
14 one girl would leave. Things that happen in the room
15 described that Epstein would want his nipples
16 touched, he would masturbate and he would touch her. She
17 said that usually the massages were done when she was only
18 in her underwear.
19 Q. Has she ever described Epstein using a vibrator or
20 a sex toy?
21 A. Yes.
22 Q. What did she describe?
23 A. She said that he used a vibrator on her genital
24 area.
25 Q. During these massages would Epstein ever instruct
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her to use lotions?
2 A. Yes.
3 4• Did she identify what brand of lotions Epstein
4 d?
lis
5 A. Bath and Body Works.
6 Q. You explained that when she would go to the house
7 she would either go upstairs or be escorted upstairs. Can
8 you explain for the Grand Jury, when she would arrive at the
9 house was she ever greeted by anyone?
10 A. She was usually greeted by Epstein's assistant,
11
12 Q. And did ever escort her upstairs to the
13 massage room?
14 A. Yes.
15 Q. Did tell you what she was paid each time
16 that she went to Epstein's house?
17 A. Yes.
18 Q. What did she tell you?
19 A. She was paid $200.
20 Q. How was she paid the $200?
21 A. Hundred dollar bills.
22 Q. Did there come a point in time when Epstein asked
23 to bring other girls to him?
24 A. Yes.
25 Q. Did she agree to do that?
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A. She did.
2 Q. I want to ask you a little bit about 's
3 role in recruiting other girls to bring to Epstein. Can you
4 explain for the Grand Jury, in general, how would she find
5 new girls to bring to Epstein?
6 A. She found them at parties or in the neighborhood
7 she was living at the time with She described it as
8 a trailer park environment that she brought girls from. But
9 some were school, when she was still there, and then jus
10 parties.
11 Q. In general, what kinds of things would she tel
12 the girls about what to expect?
13 A. Initially she told them that they were just going
14 to give a massage and get paid.
15 Q. And did she have a sense, in general, about the
16 ranges of age of girls that she would bring to the house
17 over time?
18 A. Under 18. She did say she brought a couple that
19 were over 18 and he wasn't happy about it.
20 Q. I'm going to ask you a little bit more about that
21 in a second. But just so we're clear, was her sense, in
22 general, that of the girls she brought to the residence over
23 time that most of them she thought were under 18?
24 A. Yes.
25 Q. Approximately how many girls did she estimate that
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she had brought over the years, approximately?
2 A. Dozens.
3 Q. In general, what would happen when she would bring
4 the girl to Epstein?
5 A. She would go with the girl. They'd be escorted
6 upstairs. The first time she went with a girl they would
7 massage him together. Once Epstein flipped over to when he
8 was laying on his back he would tell to leave and
9 the other girl would stay and massage while wen
10 downstairs.
11 Q. Did Epstein ever give feedback on the
12 girls that she had brought?
13 A. Yes.
14 Q. Would he ever tell her whether he liked or didn't
15 like a specific girl?
16 A. Yes.
17 Q. Would he ever ask her to bring a certain girl back
18 or to not bring another girl back?
19 A. Yes.
20 Q. Did she notice over time any patterns in the girls
21 that Epstein seemed to like?
22 A. Yes.
23 Q. What did she notice?
24 A. That he liked young, young girls, young petite
25 girls.
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Q. And did she notice whether he appeared to have any
2 preferences in the race of the girls that she was bringing?
3 A. Yes.
4 Q. What did she tell you?
5 A. He did not like dark skinned or black girls.
6 Q. Did she recall him using any particular
7 expressions when he would convey his preferences to her?
8 A. Yes.
9 Q. What would he say?
10 A. He told her, you know what I like.
11 Q. What was her understanding of what that meant?
12 A. She understood that to mean that he liked under
13 18.
14 Q. When first went to Epstein's house, did
15 she tell Epstein that she was older than she really was?
16 A. Yes.
17 Q. Why did she tell him she was older than she really
18 was?
19 A. One of the girls told her to say that she was
20 older than she was.
21 Q. When she started recruiting girls, did she tel
22 them to say that they were older?
23 A. Yes.
24 Q. Did there come a point in time when she stopped
25 giving girls that instruction?
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A. Yes.
2 Q. Why did she stop doing that?
3 A. She said because it didn't matter. He didn't care
4 how old they were as long as they weren't over 18.
5 Q. Why did she think he didn't care about whether the
6 girls were over 18 or not?
7 A. Because she said he had preferred under 18 and
8 that's what he wanted her to bring.
9 Q. Why did she think that that was what he preferred?
10 A. Because that's what he told her, you know what
11 like. And she understood that to mean under 18.
12 Q. Did tell you how much Epstein paid her
13 for recruiting other girls?
14 A. Yes.
15 Q. What did she tell you?
16 A. $200.
17 Q. Was that for each new girl or for every time she
18 brought in?
19 A. Every time she brought the girl.
20 Q. And did explain to you how she would
21 schedule these sessions with Epstein?
22 A. Yes.
23 Q. How did that work?
24 A. So she would be contacted by or she
25 would call to schedule appointments.
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Q• What was her understanding of who
2 was?
3 A. She understood her to be his assistant.
4 Q. In general, in sum and substance, what would they
5 discuss on those phone calls?
6 A. She would tell what the girls looked like,
7 she would tell them when they would be available. She'd
8 also tell them when they wouldn't be available, based on
9 their school or after curricular activities -- extra
10 curricular.
11 Q. During these calls how would refer to tne
12 sessions that they were scheduling?
13 A. As work.
14 Q. Can you give us an example of how that would be
15 used in a sentence?
16 A. That she would just say: Are you available to
17 work, or, do you have a girl that's available to work.
18 Q. During these phone calls about scheduling, did
19 Sarah ever say where she was calling from?
20 A. Yes.
21 Q. What did remember about that?
22 A. recalled saying that she was
23 calling from New York and they'd be coming down to West Palm
24 Beach.
25 Q. Okay. Switching gears. Have you become aware
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1 that in a separate investigation of Jeffrey Epstein, a
2 witness said in about 2005 that she'd recruited minor
3 victims for Epstein, but that that she'd also brought some
4 girls who were over 18 and that Epstein told her, quote,
5 "the younger the better." And that she also said, quote,
6 "he likes the girls that are between the ages of 18 and 20"?
7 A. Yes.
8 Q. All right. Switching topics. Have you become
9 aware that in 2005 police officers from the Palm Beach
10 Police Department executed a search warrant at Epstein's
11 house at the El Brillo Way address in Palm Beach?
12 A. Yes.
13 Q. And have you reviewed some of the materials that
14 were seized during the search?
15 A. Yes.
16 Q. Did they find a massage table and sex toys?
17 A. Yes.
18 Q. Did they find any phone messages?
19 A. Yes.
20 Q. Turning to slide 7. Could you please explain for
21 the Grand Jury what we're looking at here?
22 A. This is a room in his Palm Beach residence. Down
23 here on the close right corner you're going to see message
24 pads.
25 Q. So were those note pads for taking phone messages?
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A. Yes.
2 Q. And in the message pads was there just one message
3 per page or were there four, laid out two on top and two on
4 the bottom?
5 A. There were four, two on top and two on the bottom.
6 Q. The message pad that we're looking at in this
7 photograph, was that the only set of messages that were
8 recovered from the residence?
9 A. No.
10 Q. All right. So let's talk a little bit about some
11 of the phone messages that were found in the house. Let's
12 turn to slide 8.
13 Could you walk us through what we're looking at
14 here?
15 A. So this message is dated September 30th, 2004.
16 's name is on it and in the message it says: She
17 has a female for Mr. JE.
18 Q. So given the date on this message, if this message
19 had been left by , given her date of birth,
20 would she have been about 16-years old when this message was
21 left?
22 A. Yes.
23 4• Let's turn to slide 9. What are we looking at
24 here?
25 A. This is a message that's dated November 8th, 2004.
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1 is on the message and in the message it says:
2 have a female for him.
3 Q. Do you recognize this particular phone number?
4 A. Yes.
5 Q. Based on your review of law enforcement reports,
6 has previously identified this as her phone
7 number?
8 A. Yes.
9 Q. Based on the date on this particular phone message
10 and 's date of birth, would she have been about
11 17 when this message was left?
12 A. Yes.
13 Q. Let's turn to slide 10. So we've been looking at
14 some of the excerpts of the phone message. Is this a full
15 page of phone messages?
16 A. Yes.
17 Q. And do they all have dates on them?
18 A. No.
19 Q. Which one has a date on it?
20 A. Upper left-hand side.
21 Q. And is that November 11th, 2004?
22 A. Yes.
23 Q. So can you tell when these messages were
24 approximately left?
25 A. Approximately, yes.
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Q. But beyond the fact that one of them is dated,
2 you're not sure?
3 A. Correct.
4 Q. Okay. Can you walk us through what we see here on
5 this message pad?
6 A. So bottom right is listed. On the
7 top right, (ph) is listed, and it states: Wondering
8 if you want her to work tomorrow and what time.
9 Q. So the message on the bottom marked
10 doesn't have a date on it. But if these messages were left
11 in approximately November of 2004, based on I S
12 date of birth, would she have been about 17 when this
13 message was left?
14 A. Yes.
15 Q. All right. Turning to slide 11. What do we see
16 here?
17 A. So this message was dated January 13th, 2005.
18 is listed on the message, along with her phone
19 number and it just states: Please call her.
20 Q. Based on your review of law enforcement reports,
21 has previously identified this phone number as
22 being one of her phone numbers during that time period?
23 A. Yes.
24 Q. Based on the date on this message and
25 's date of birth, would have been about
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17-years old when this message was left?
2 A. Yes.
3 Q• Let's turn to slide 12. Can you tell us what
4 we're looking at here?
5 A. This message is dated January 29th, 2005.
6 's name is on this message along with her phone
7 number, and in the message it says: I have a female for
8 him.
9 Q• Based on the date of this message and
10 's date of birth, would she have been about 17 when this
11 message was left?
12 A. Yes.
13 Q. Let's turn to slide 13. This message is a bit
14 more faint, so if you could just walk the Grand Jury through
15 this message.
16 A. So this message has listed on it along
17 with her phone number. And in the message it says: She has
18 a female friend for you, please call back as soon as
19 possible.
20 Q. Is there a date on this message?
21 A. No.
22 Q. So earlier you were describing that in interviews
23 with she explained that she was living with a
24 friend named at the time she first encountered
25 Epstein, is that right?
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A. Yes.
2 Q. And did she explain whether she ever went to
3 Epstein's house with
4 A. She did.
5 Q. And did you find in your review of the phone
6 messages in Epstein's house, any messages left by a person
7 named
8 A. Yes.
9 Q. Let's talk about a few of those messages. If yo.:
10 could turn to slide 14, please. What do we see here?
11 A. This is a message in March of 2005. It lists
12 on it. And in the message: She will be here at four
13 p.m. but she needs talk to you before that. Please call her
14 back.
15 Q. Turing to slide 15. What do we see here?
16 A. This is a message dated September 8th of 2005.
17 is listed on it along with her new phone number, •
18
19 Q. Now, do you know one way or the other whether this
20 specific message was left by
21 A. No.
22 Q. Are you familiar with 's date of
23 birth?
24 A. Yes.
25 Q. And if this message had been left by
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based on the date of the message and 's date oL
2 birth, would she have been about 17?
3 A. Yes.
4 Q. Turning to slide 16. What do we see here?
5 A. This message is dated March 18th of 2005.
6 is listed on it along with a phone number and the message
7 says: Please call her.
8 Q. Again, same as before, do you know one way or the
9 other whether this specific message was left by
10
11 A. No.
12 Q. But based on the date on this message and
13 's date of birth, if it had been left by
14 would she have been about 16 on that date?
15 A. Yes.
16 Q. Turning to slide 17. Does this appear to be
17 another message left by someone named
18 A. Yes.
19 Q. What's the text of the message?
20 A. She can be tomorrow here from two p.m. to
21 whenever.
22 Q. What's the date on the message?
23 A. Oh, sorry. 3-18-05.
24 Q. Same as before, do you know one way or the other
25 whether this was left
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A. No.
2 Q. Based on her date of birth and the date of this
3 message, if she had left this message would she have been
4 about 16?
5 A. Yes.
6 Q. And finally, turning to slide 18. This is a bit
7 faint so if you could walk the Grand Jury through it?
8 A. So this message has 's name on it along with
9 the phone number, and in the message it says: Has girl for
10 tonight.
11 Q. Is there a date on this message?
12 A. No.
13 Q. In your review of these phone messages, did you
14 find any other phone messages that appeared to fit this
15 pattern of scheduling with girls?
16 A. Yes.
17 Q. Okay. Let's talk about just a few of those.
18 Let's turn to slide 19. What do we see here?
19 A. This message is September of 2005. It has a woman
20 named on it. In the message it says: Cancel
21 she would like to speak to you, I believe, about college.
22 Along with a phone number.
23 Should I schedule anyone else?
24 Q. And so the name , we'll talk about that a
25 little bit in a few minutes. But just for present purposes,
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have you become aware during this investigation that during
2 this time period Jeffrey Epstein had an assistant named
3
4 A. Yes.
5 Q. Turning to slide 20. What does this message say?
6 A. This is a message that has (ph) on it, and
7 in the message it says: wants to work if you are in.
8 Q. Turning to slide 21. What does this message say?
9 A. This message has on it and the message
10 states: Is it okay if will come at five.
11 Q. And finally, turning to slide 22. What does thi.
12 message say?
13 A. This message has and (ph) on it. In
14 the message it states: They are available all weekend and
15 maybe too. And signed, (ph).
16 Q. Have you interviewed a person named during
17 this investigation?
18 A. Yes.
19 Q. Do you know whether or not that's the same
20 listed on this message?
21 A. No.
22 Q. In a minute I want to ask you about your
23 interviews of . But before I do that I just want to
24 ask you a few more questions about
25 Did there come a point in time, in approximately
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1 2007, when learned that Epstein was being
2 investigated by State authorities for his conduct with
3 minors?
4 A. Yes.
5 Q. How did she learn that?
6 A. She had seen it, that there was an investigation
7 into him. And then she had reached out to and
8 told her that if she didn't talk she'd be taken care
9 of.
10 Q. And were those the exact words used or just th•
11 sum and substance of that conversation?
12 A. Sum and substance.
13 Q. And do you remember, as we sit here today, whether
14 she said that she called or whether called
15 her?
16 A. I don't recall the specifics, but there was a
17 telephone communication.
18 Q. And finally, when you met with what was
19 her demeanor like when she discussed her role in recruiting
20 minors for Jeffrey Epstein?
21 A. I'm sorry. Can you say it again?
22 Q. When you would talk with about her role
23 in recruiting minors for Jeffrey Epstein, what was her
24 demeanor like?
25 A. She became very emotional when she talked about
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1 that, very upset about her role in bringing other girls to
2 him.
3 Q. Finally I want to talk to you about one last
4 witness that you've interviewed. During the course of this
5 investigation, have you participated in interviews with an
6 individual named
7 A. Yes.
8 Q. For today's purposes I'm just going to refer to
9 her as . Can you tell us, how many times have you
10 interviewed
11 A. Twice.
12 Q. Have you also reviewed reports from previous law
13 enforcement interviews with
14 A. Yes.
15 Q. Is your testimony today based on both your review
16 of those reports and also your own interviews with
17 A. Yes.
18 Q. Let's turn to slide 23. Are these photographs of
19
20 A. Yes.
21 Q. Did she tell you about how old she was when these
22 photographs were taken?
23 A. She said that she was approximately 16 or 17 years
24 old when these photos were taken.
25 Q. What is her date of birth?
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