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A. Yes.
Q. Were there approximately five of those interviews
3 in total?
4 A. Yes.
5 Q. For today's purposes I'm going to refer to her as
6 Have you also reviewed reports from other law
7 enforcement interviews for
A. Yes.
9 Q. And is your testimony today based on both the
10 review of those reports and your personal participation in
11 interviews with
12 A. Yes.
13 Q. Turning to the next slide. Are these photographs
14
15 A. Yes.
16 Q. Did tell you approximately how old she was
17 in one of these photographs?
18 A. Yes.
19 Q. Which photograph did she identify?
20 A. The one on the right.
21 Q. Where is the one on the right from, according to
22
23 A. Oh, I'm sorry. That was from her MySpace page.
24 Q. And about how old did recall being in this
25 photograph from her MySpace page?
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A. Sixteen years old.
Q. What is date of birth?
3 A.
4 Q. Where was living when she was about 14
5 /ears old?
6 A. West Palm Beach, Florida.
7 Q. What was home life like when she was 14
8 years old?
9 A. It was troubled. She grew up -- she had been
10 molested multiple times as a child. Her mother was addicted
11 to drugs and alcohol. Her parents were separated, she often
12 fought with her brother and her mother.
13 Q. When was 14 years old, did she have a
14 boyfriend?
15 A. Yes.
16 Q. What was his name?
17 A.
18 Q• How old was when they were dating
19 when was 14 years old?
20 A. Approximately 17.
21 Q. So was about three years older than
22 A. Yes.
23 Q. Did there come a time when learned of and
24 met Jeffrey Epstein?
25 A. Yes.
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1 Q. According to how did that happen?
2 A. Her boyfriend was friends with someone named
3 (ph) who was dating
4 The four of them would often hang out together.
5 On one particular occasion was asked by them and
6 if she would like to make some money by massaging
7 an older man.
8 Q. How did respond?
9 A. She agreed to do it.
10 Q. About what year does remember this
11 conversation taking place?
12 A. 2001.
13 Q. So how old was at that time?
14 A. Fourteen.
15 Q. During your investigation have you learned of
16 date of birth?
17 A. Yes.
18 Q• How old was at the time of the
19 conversation with in 2001, about massaging an old
20 guy?
21 A. Seventeen.
22 Q. After that conversation with did
23 meet Epstein?
24 A. Yes.
25 Q. What did remember happening the first time
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1 she met Epstein?
2 A. She was brought there by She recalls
3 going in through the side door and being introduced to
4 Maxwell as they entered.
5 Q. Based on her interactions with Maxwell, as she and
6 entered, what was understanding of
7 whether and Maxwell had met before?
8 A. She understood that they had met before.
9 Q. And did Maxwell, in substance, tell to
10 show what to do?
11 A. Yes.
12 Q. What happened next?
13 A. They went upstairs to the massage room. They set
14 up the massage room, waited for Epstein to enter. At that
15 point they participated in giving him a massage.
16 Q. How did describe the massage room in the
17 Florida house?
18 A. She described it as having a few doors inside of
19 it, some of them entering a closet. She described there
20 being a -- it's like a bathroom, basically, that had a sink
21 inside of it. And inside of the closet had a massage table
22 which they had to take out in order to set it up.
23 Q. What, if any, photographs did recall
24 seeing in and around the massage room?
25 A. She recalls nude photographs of Maxwell.
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Q. And of other females?
A. Yes.
3 Q. After and had set up the massage
4 table, what happened next?
5 A. Jeffrey Epstein came into the room; they massaged
6 him. At some point during the massage he turned over and
7 got on top. They had sex, and sat on the
8 couch and tried not to watch.
9 Q. According to did and
10 Jeffrey Epstein engage in sexual intercourse during that
11 massage?
12 A. Yes.
13 Q. At the end of the massage what happened?
14 A. Jeffrey left, they got dressed, and each got paid,
15 and they walked downstairs. They got paid $300 each.
16 Q. So to clarify, did and each
17 receive $300?
18 A. Yes.
19 Q. And how did they receive that money; in what
20 denomination?
21 A. Crisp one hundred dollar bills.
22 Q. After that first visit did go to Epstein's
23 Palm Beach residence on multiple occasions to provide
24 sexualized massages to Jeffrey Epstein between 2001 and
25 2004?
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A. Yes.
Q. Approximately how many times does estimate
3 she massaged Jeffrey Epstein?
4 A. About one hundred times.
5 Q. Do memories of the events at Epstein's
6 residence run together after that first visit with
7 A. Yes.
8 Q. At some point after her first or second visit to
9 Epstein's residence, did give her phone number to
10 someone at Epstein's house?
11 A. Yes.
12 Q. After that did go to Epstein's house by
13 herself without accompanying her?
14 A. Yes.
15 Q. After provided her phone number, how did
16 she schedule times to massage Epstein at his house?
17 A. She would either call herself or she would receive
18 a phone call.
19 Q. Did explain why she would call herself to
20 ask to schedule a time to massage Epstein?
21 A. Yes. At the time she wanted to make more money so
22 she could buy drugs.
23 Q. During her time seeing Epstein did become
24 addicted to certain drugs?
25 A. Yes.
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1 Q. What drugs was she primarily using?
2 A. Cocaine and marijuana.
3 Q. When someone would call to schedule her
4 for massages with Epstein, who does remember making
5 those calls?
6 A. Maxwell or
7 Q. And were there particular time periods, over the
8 course of the years when was interacting with
9 Epstein, that one or the other of those two individuals
10 would call?
11 A. Yes.
12 Q. What did say about that?
13 A. She recalled that for the first several months of
14 going to Epstein she would get calls primarily from Maxwell.
15 After that, she would receive calls primarily from
16 but at the same time, occasionally receiving calls from
17 Maxwell.
18 Q. And did she also remember receiving calls from
19 other Epstein employees whose names did not know?
20 A. Yes.
21 Q. Did refer to Maxwell as Maxwell?
22 A. Yes.
23 4• And then you mentioned another person; what was
24 the other person's name?
25 A.
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1 Q. And did she primarily refer to -- did
2 primarily refer to as
3 A. Yes.
4 Q. Who was , according to
5 A. She was another employee of Epstein's. She was an
6 assistant who made phone calls, arranged massage
7 appointments, and took photographs.
8 Q. When Maxwell would call to schedule
9 massage appointments with Epstein, did Maxwell ever tell
10 where Maxwell was calling from?
11 A. Yes.
12 Q. What did remember about that?
13 A. She recalls her saying that they were in New York,
14 and that they would be travelling to Florida at a certain
15 time period and asking if she would be available for that
16 time when they return.
17 Q. And when you say "they" would be in New York, who
18 was referring to?
19 A. Epstein and Maxwell.
20 Q. So did understand from these conversations
21 that Maxwell and Epstein, at the time of those phone calls,
22 were in New York?
23 A. Yes.
24 Q. What phone numbers would Epstein's employees call
25 to schedule appointments for to massage Epstein?
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1 A. They would call multiple phone numbers, including
2 cell phone, her mother's phone, her landline, or
3 her home line, and her boyfriend 's phone.
4 Q. How did get to Epstein's residence for
5 each massage appointment?
6 A. She would either be driven by her boyfriend; she
7 would drive herself on occasion even though she did not have
8 a license; she had been driven there by and also
9 Epstein or Maxwell would send him send her a cab to be
10 picked up.
11 Q. Did boyfriend ever meet anyone at
12 Epstein's house?
13 A. Yes.
14 Q. What did remember about that?
15 A. She recalls that he met Epstein.
16 Q. What did she say about that?
17 A. He met in the driveway. There was a car that
18 Epstein was driving at the time and that he was showing to
19 And she recalls that really liked the car, and
20 she had to hear about him talking about the car for several
21 days to weeks after that.
22 Q. According to did ever meet any of
23 Epstein's employees?
24 A. No.
25 Q. When arrived at Epstein's house for each
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1 appointment, what happened when she first arrived?
2 A. She would arrive through the side door and
3 generally be greeted by someone.
4 Q. Would that be in the kitchen?
5 A. Yes.
6 Q. Does she recall, at times, Maxwell being the
7 person who would greet her in the kitchen?
8 A. Yes.
9 Q. After being greeted in the kitchen, what would
10 do next?
11 A. She would go upstairs and arrange the massage room
12 and the massage table.
13 Q. Once was in the massage room, what
14 happened during each appointment?
15 A. Epstein would generally come out, he would get on
16 the table. She would begin her massage. During the massage
17 he would flip over and she would generally play with
18 nipples. He would masturbate, he would touch her breasts
19 and buttocks, and she said that every instance ended with
20 Epstein ejaculating.
21 Q. What would be wearing during these
22 appointments?
23 A. At first she just started wearing her underwear
24 but was told that she would make more money to be completely
25 nude, so she started getting totally nude.
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1 Q. And so after her first few visits to Epstein's,
2 was she -- did it become practice to be fully nude
3 during the massages?
4 A. Yes.
5 Q. On a few occasions during these massages did
6 Epstein touch vagina?
7 A. Yes.
8 Q. On one occasion does recall Epstein
9 touching her vagina with a vibrator?
10 A. Yes.
11 Q. And you mentioned that recalled each
12 massage ended with Epstein ejaculating; so is it
13 recollection that every single massage she performed for
14 Epstein involved a sex act?
15 A. Yes.
16 Q. After each massage, what happened?
17 A. Epstein would get up, would get dressed;
18 she would get paid. The money would generally be on the
19 table or on the sink, or she would go downstairs and be paid
20 by Maxwell.
21 Q. How much did recall being paid for each
22 massage?
23 A. Three hundred dollars.
24 Q. In what denomination?
25 A. One hundred dollar bills.
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1 Q. You mentioned that would sometimes be
2 greeted by Maxwell when she arrived at Epstein's house.
3 Earlier on in her visits to Epstein's, would Maxwell engage
4 in conversation?
5 A. Yes.
6 Q. And then later on, after started primarily
7 being the person to schedule these appointments, would
8 Maxwell still be present sometimes?
9 A. Yes.
10 Q. But during those later periods would Maxwell
11 primarily just say hello and not really have extended
12 conversations with
13 A. Yes.
14 Q. During the earlier period when was going
15 over to Epstein's Palm Beach house, what types of
16 conversations does she recall having with Maxwell?
17 A. She talked with Maxwell about her home life. She
18 talked with Maxwell about her abuse that occurred when she
19 was younger. She recalled Maxwell asking about her sexual
20 experiences that she's had. She recalled Maxwell asking her
21 if she used a vibrator or a toy ever on herself.
22 Q. Did she also recall conversations about travel?
23 A. Yes.
24 Q. I'd like to go through each of those topics that
25 recalled discussing. First, what did tell
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1 Maxwell about home life in response to Maxwell's
questions?
3 A. She told her that she -- her mother was addicted
4 to drugs and that she had been molested several times as a
5 child.
6 Q. Did she also tell Maxwell that the parents were
7 separated?
8 A. Yes.
9 Q. You also mentioned sexual topics coming up. What
10 does recall about the time or times when sexual
11 topics came up with Maxwell?
12 A. Maxwell has asked her if she was sexually active.
13 had told her that she's currently sexually active
14 with her boyfriend. Maxwell asked her if she'd ever used a
15 toy to pleasure herself, and she had said no.
16 Q. Did recall that, the same day that Maxwell
17 asked about whether she ever used a toy, was the day that
18 Epstein placed a vibrator on genitals during the
19 massage?
20 A. Yes.
21 Q. What did recall about conversations with
22 Maxwell about travel?
23 A. She recalls that on multiple occasions Maxwell
24 asked her if she wanted to travel, specifically, overseas.
25 She had told her that she was 14 years old and that her
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1 mother wouldn't let her. Maxwell offered to get her a
2 passport so she would be able to travel.
3 Q. When you said "she had told her that she was
4 14 years old," did you mean that told Maxwell that
5 was 14 years old?
6 A. Yes.
7 Q. Does recall that these conversations took
8 place when she was about 14 years old?
9 A. Yes.
10 Q. Does recall Maxwell saying specifically
11 where Maxwell wanted to travel with Epstein?
12 A. No.
13 Q. Did Epstein ever invite to travel with
14 him?
15 A. Yes.
16 Q. What did remember about that?
17 A. They were similar conversations where she had
18 told -- he had asked her if she would like to travel and
19 said that had also travelled with him. She
20 had told him that she was 14 and, likely, her mother
21 wouldn't let her travel. He had also offered to get her
22 passport.
23 Q. Did ever actually travel with Maxwell or
24 Epstein?
25 A. No.
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1 Q. After told Maxwell and Epstein that she
was 14 years old, did Maxwell still call her to schedule
3 massage appointments for Epstein?
4 A. Yes.
5 Q. Did still see Maxwell at the Palm Beach
6 residence after telling Maxwell that she was 14 years old?
7 A. Yes.
8 Q. Did Maxwell ever see naked?
9 A. Yes.
10 Q. In particular does recall that there were
11 between one and three times when Maxwell saw her naked?
12 A. Yes.
13 Q. How did that happen, according to
14 A. It happened in the massage room.
15 Q. And was there one time, in particular, when
16 recalls Maxwell touching her while was
17 naked?
18 A. Yes.
19 Q. What did remember about that?
20 A. She recalls being in the massage room undressing;
21 Maxwell complimented her body and then asked if her breasts
22 were real, at which point, she touched her breasts.
23 Q. And when you say "she touched her breasts," do you
24 mean Maxwell touched breasts?
25 A. Yes.
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1 Q. And on those occasions, just to be clear,
2 according to why was she getting undressed in the
3 massage room when Maxwell was present?
4 A. For getting prepared for the massage with
5 Jeffrey Epstein.
6 Q. Other than during her first visit or two with
7 did ever participate in massages with
8 Epstein during which another female was in the room?
9 A. Yes.
10 4• In particular does she recall two occasions when
11 Epstein brought another girl into the room?
12 A. Yes.
13 Q. Would you please describe for the grand jury what
14 recalled about one such occasion?
15 A. She recalled that the girl looked like a model.
16 She recalls at one point during the massage Jeffrey Epstein
17 attempted to have sex with her; he slightly penetrated her
18 at least once or twice, that she can recall; she told him
19 no, at which point he began to have sex with the other
20 female and at the same time she was performing oral on
21
22 Q. Now just to clarify some of the pronouns there.
23 You said that Epstein attempted to penetrate, or have sexual
24 intercourse, with her; do you mean that recalls that
25 Epstein attempted to penetrate vagina with his
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1 penis?
2 A. Yes.
3 Q. Does recall Epstein attempting to do that
4 and actually inserting his penis into her vagina on one or
5 two occasions?
6 A. Yes.
7 Q. And in response, did say no?
8 A. Yes.
9 Q. And in response to that did Epstein then engage in
10 sexual intercourse with the other girl?
11 A. Yes.
12 4• And at the same time was the other girl performing
13 oral sex on
14 A. Yes.
15 Q. Was there another instance where Epstein brought a
16 different girl into the room?
17 A. Yes.
18 Q. What did remember happening during that
19 other instance?
20 A. Similar instance where Epstein would have sex with
21 the other female at the same time while she was performing
22 oral on
23 Q. So Epstein would have intercourse with the other
24 girl and the other girl would perform oral sex on
25 A. Yes.
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1 Q. Did ever bring other girls to massage
2 Epstein?
3 A. Yes.
4 Q. Why did she do that?
5 A. She was told she could earn more money.
6 Q. Who told her, or asked her, to bring other girls?
7 A. Both Jeffrey and Maxwell.
8 Q. What, in particular, did they ask her to do?
9 A. They asked if she could bring younger girls.
10 Q. Did in fact, bring multiple girls over to
11 Epstein's house?
12 A. Yes.
13 Q. Can she remember the name of every girl that she
14 brought over?
15 A. No.
16 4• Are there some examples of names that she
17 remembers of girls that brought over?
18 A. Yes.
19 4• What are some examples?
20 A. (ph) and
•
21 Q. According to was younger than
22
23 A. Yes.
24 Q. And according to was about a year
25 older than
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1 A. Yes.
2 Q. When brought these girls would Epstein
3 engage in sex acts, in the presence of both and the
4 girls she had brought, during the massage?
5 A. Yes.
6 Q. After each massage would both and the girl
7 get paid?
8 A. Yes.
9 Q. How much did remember them getting paid?
10 A. Three hundred dollars.
11 Q. So did each, and the girl, get $300?
12 A. Yes.
13 Q. Did receive any gifts from Epstein?
14 A. Yes.
15 Q. What's an example of some gifts that she remembers
16 receiving from Epstein?
17 A. Flowers, a book called "Massage for Dummies," and
18 Victoria's Secret underwear.
19 Q. Does she recall receiving multiple packages of
20 Victoria's Secret lingerie?
21 A. Yes.
22 Q. Before she first received Victoria's Secret
23 lingerie, did Maxwell ask her for her address and her bra
24 size?
25 A. Yes.
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1 Q. How does remember receiving packages
2 Victoria's Secret underwear?
3 A. She recalls receiving them at her house in West
4 Palm Beach.
5 Q. And how would they get to her house?
6 A. Either FedEx or UPS.
7 Q. What, if anything, does remember about the
8 return address on those packages?
9 A. She recalls that they stated they were from New
10 York.
11 Q. Does she remember whose name was on the return
12 address?
13 A. She recalls Jeffrey's and Maxwell's name.
14 Q. What did do with the money she made
15 massaging Epstein?
16 A. She used it to purchase drugs.
17 Q. Did she and her boyfriend then use those drugs?
18 A. Yes.
19 Q. Did continue going to school after she met
20 Jeffrey Epstein?
21 A. No.
22 Q. About how old was she when she dropped out?
23 A. About 14.
24 Q. Was she in middle school when she dropped out?
25 A. Yes.
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