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Q. Well, why did you do it? 
A. That's all I know. It's what Jeffrey taught 
me. 
Q. Well, Jeffrey wasn't married, was he? 
A. I don't1=w. 
Q. Well, did you ever ask him? 
A. He lied to me about everything. 
Q. Did you ever ask him? 
A. Yeab, I think I did. 
Q. And what did he tell you? 
A. He said no. 
Q. Do you have any information that Jeffrey 
Epstein is married? 
A. No. 
Q. Do you have any information that he was 
ever married when you were --
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A. It's wrong either way. 
A. How do you justify you sitting here 
representing a pedophile? You know? You're silly. But 
I'm sorry. 
MR. LUTTIER: Move to strike? 
THE WITNESS: I don't know. 
MR. LIMIER: And now answer my question. 
THE WITNESS: I have to go home every day 
and put a poker face in front of my son. I 
don't ever want him to know what I have done. 
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jobs have you applied for in the last two years? 
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have got them all. 
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your applications f. 
five Sobs? 
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Q. And did you get hired? 
A. Yep. 
Q. Okay. How much did they pay you? 
A Fifteen bucks an hour. 
Q. So, you were able to get jobs in the labor 
market just like everybody else, right? 
A. Yeah. 
Q. Where else did
A. I have applied 
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Q. Okay. In the last two years? 
A. Yeah. 
Q. And did you get hired? 
A. Yep. 
Q. And how much did they pay you? 
A. Twelve an how. 
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still working for
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Q. Why did you quit? 
A. It was seasonal. 
Are you still forking'for 
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A. The economy just went down and she only could 
hire me three days out of the week so —
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years? 
A. I always—. 
Q. Well, that's not an application is it? 
A. Well, you got to sign up to 
Q. That's just you selling stuff that you 
have al 
A. Okay. Well, if that's how you want it. 
Q. Where else hrsyou applied for a job? 
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table. 
Q. When did you apply fora job at M? 
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Q. Okay. How much did you get paid? 
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THE WITNESS: What time Is it? 
MR. EDWARDS: You got time. It's 5. 
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A. I don't know. I don't use it. 
Q. Were you provided with a copy of a 
document that's called a proposal for settlement in 
this case? 
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Q. I mean I can show it to you. !don't want 
to mark it on the — I don't want to have it in the 
record because I don't want it to be a — but I will 
show it to you so you can recognize the document. 
Let me just show you the document. 
. A. You can't help me. 
Q. Just go ahead and read it. 
A. Jeffrey Epstein is not admitting, he is in 
fact denying all liability or responsibility because he 
did it — 
THE COURT REPORTER: If you could read --
MR. EDWARDS: Just read it to yourself 
because if you say the words, she has to take 
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justice. I want what's fair for all of us, for all of 
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didn't sense jail time forme and my girlfriends. He 
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sat with his little rich butt --
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which was probably nothing for him because money talks. 
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until 5:00 in the morning at strip clubs, do you 
have any problem sleeping? 
A. Oh, you're so cute. I have trouble sleeping 
over Jeffrey, yeah. 
going out to 
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morning, does it? 
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Q. Okay. 
A. People got to do what you got to do. Just 
hire you got sit here and defend a child molester, you 
know. I got sit here and go to 
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Now, you testified last time that you were 
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counseling. And 1 hope that everybody can get served 
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Q. And when you say you worked together, what 
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A. That we worked totether. 
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COUNTY OF PALM BEACH 
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the undersigned authority, certify that 
. personally appeared before me and was duly 
sworn on the 9th day of February, 2010. 
Dated this 19th day of February, 2010. 
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My Commission Expires: February 25, 2011 
My Commission No.: DD 643788 
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Q. - as an advance against an outcome in 
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return for a sharing of the percentage of it? 
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Q. Have you assigned any interest in this 
lawsuit to anyone? 
A. No. 
MR. LUTTIER: Okay. Fro done. Any cross? 
MR. EDWARDS: We'll read. 
THE VIDEOGRAPHER Going off the record at 
5:05 p.m. This is the end of Tape 3 of the 
deposition. 
THE COURT REPORTER: Do you want to order 
this? 
MR. LUTTIER: Yes. 
THE COURT REPORTER: Would you like a 
cOPY? 
MR. EDWARDS: Yes, please. 
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;Cynthia Hopkins, Registered Professional 
Reporter. Florida Psofessionsl /tenacity and Notary 
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PuNic in and for the State of Florida at large, do 
hereby certify that I ass authorized to and did 
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report said deposition in stenotype and that the 
foregoing pages arc a true and cornet transcription 
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