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A. Yeah, and it wasn't false. Kiss my ass. 
Q. So your, your tax return is in '08 is 
correct; is that right? Is that what you are 
telling us? 
A. No. 
Q. Is it false? 
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A. Can you tell I am suffering? I hate Jeffrey 
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A. All my damn, all these years that I've, after 
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Jeffrey they wanted -- invasion of my privacy, are you 
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kidding me? I can't go anywhere without anyone knowing 
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where I'm going. The FBI, the investigators following 
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me everywhere. I can't take my son out with anybody 
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that Jeffrey Epstein molested me. So, if my son 
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wants to go out and play with somebody, oh, no, 
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she's the little girl that was in prostitution for 
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Jeffrey Epstein, so we don't want her playing with 
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our son. 
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playing with our son? 
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A. No one knows about that shit except you guys. 
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Q. How about when you were working for 
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another escort service? 
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A. How about what? 
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Q. You don't think anybody knew about that? 
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name in the newspaper like Jeffrey Epstein saying that I 
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am a prostitute or a slave for Jeffrey Epstein. 
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Q. How about when you were top, dancing 
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topless at bars? Do you think maybe people said —
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all out. Everybody knows. Okay. You can sit there and 
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act like you, you can act like an attorney and --
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out there everywhere. Okay. l am the prostitute of 
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Jeffrey Epstein. I have brought young underaged girls 
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there. I am so horrible. 
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My son can't play with certain kids 
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because ofJeffrey Epstein now. He has ruined my 
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fucking life. He has brought me into this industry 
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that this is all I know. And now I can't even, I 
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can't even explain to you the hard things that I've 
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been through my life because of Jeffrey Epstein, 
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because he has taught me and many other girls how to 
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pull money from older men. 
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gentleman of the jury: Ho didn't force you to do 
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anything? 
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geographic area. And maybe they said, well, this is 
the lady that goes and sells her wares at all these 
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topless bars; we don't want our children playing 
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with her. 
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name all over the place and they say, you know what, I 
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don't even want anything to with this girl because she 
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your name has appeared anywhere as being someone who 
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saw Jeffrey Epstein? 
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Q. Well, where? Just tell me one place. 
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hire out to strange men whom you don't know for 
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between 3300 and $500 for what you say is to go sit 
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in rooms naked with them, and that's how you thought 
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you would prove? 
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the hell out of it. 
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Jeffrey Epstein was when? 
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MR. LUTTIER: When? No, the last time —
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MR. EDWARDS: Before we get started I just 
want to put something on the record that there 
was a hearing, I believe it was November 3rd, 
2009, and the judge suggested that the defense 
only have one attorney there. And his 
recommendation was such because of the 
breakdown —
MR. LUTTIER: Well, let's —
MR. EDWARDS: — in the first deposition. 
You can, you can make a record after. That is 
fine. Was because of the breakdown in the 
first deposition, and he thought that that type 
of intimidation by more than one attorney would 
lead to an additional meltdown. 
We have been fine thus far today despite 
there at a minimum always being two attorneys 
and in the last 15 to 20 minutes not only was 
Mark Luttier here and Bob Critton as it has 
been all day, but Jack Goldberger was also in 
the room. 
And once it was lined up three attorneys 
over there, either passing notes, talking in 
each other's ear, and otherwise assisting in 
the deposition or at least that was the feeling 
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who was in the room when everything started to 
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MR. LUTHER: That just is not factually 
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correct. Mr., first of all the judge ordered 
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that Mr. Critton and I could be present 
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throughout this deposition. Mr. Critton and I 
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have been present throughout this deposition, 
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and he and I have communicated throughout the 
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deposition. 
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put a stopwatch on how long he was there. He 
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ten minutes. I had no communication at all 
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something to me about it, I was examining the 
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witness, I would have stopped right then and 
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said, Jack, get out of the room. 
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interrogatory answers. These are answers that you 
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gave to written questions that were sent to you in 
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this case. And they are entitled Defendant's 
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unverified better answers to first interrogatories. 
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the first deposition, but there is only one set of 
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interrogatories you stated that from the end of 2007 
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earning S1100 a week. So that would have been a 
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period of approximately one year; is that right? 
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located? 
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Q. What did you do at 
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Amendment rights under the United States Constitution. 
Q. Did you have any communication with 
Jeffrey Epstein after the phone call you made to him 
following the FBI's interview of you? 
A. I talked to ing Oh, my God. I don't know 
what I am going through. I'm like shaking. 
Q. I am talking about now a conversation with 
Mr. Epstein. 
MR. EDWARDS: The question was, did you 
talk to him after you called him — 
MR. LUTHER: Right 
MR. EDWARDS: — after the FBI statement? 
MR. LUTHER: Right. 
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Q. Did you have any conversation with Jeffrey 
Epstein? 
A. No. I don't think so, no. 
Q. Other than the witnesses you have listed 
in answer to Interrogatory No. 5, do you know of any 
other witnesses or do you intend to call any 
witnesses in the trial of this matter? 
A. What? 
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questions as to whether, as to information that 
she and I have spoken about in terms of what 
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Q. And where was he when you talked to him? 
A. Fort Myers. 
Q. And do you know how he's employed now? 
A. .No. He says he's not employed. 
Q. Have you discussed with him in the last 
year anything about this lawsuit? 
A. Yes. . 
Q. What have you discussed with him? 
A. I told him I'm going through a lawsuit. 
Q. And what did he say? 
A. He said okay. 
Q. Have you asked him to be a witness? 
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this March of '010. 
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Mr. Epstein? 
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the trauma that you're going through. 
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A. Fort Myers. 
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A. I don't know. A year ago. 
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Q. Do you tell her what you do for work? 
A. Yes. 
Q. What did you tell her? 
A. I sell lingerie and shoes and purses and Mary 
Kay. 
Q. Do you have any personal knowledge of the 
matters about which the witnesses listed in your 
answers to interrogatories that these witnesses 
have, have information about? 
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privilege. And we do this all the time. 
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Q. This is just a list as prepared by your 
lawyer. You don't know what any one of these 
witnesses would say? 
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A. No, not as a massage therapist. 
Q. Why not? 
A. Because I've told you once before I need to 
take the nationals. 
Q. But no one has prevented you from taking 
test, right? 
A. I have to wait to take the test. It only 
happens twice a year. 
Q. And has — did you pass the first 
opportunity you had? 
A. No. 
Q. Okay. So, when's, when's the test coming 
up? 
A. In a few months. 
Q. And are you going to take it? 
A. Yes. 
Q. And you could have been working as an 
esthetician ever since you went to Jeffrey 
Epstein's? 
A. And I did work as an esthetician. 
Q. No one has prevented you from doing that, 
correct? 
A. No. 
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six. But then I did go back and I got my high school 
diploma, and like you said I have two degrees. 
Q. When did you get your, your GED? 
A. Yes. 
Q. When did you get that? 
A. What I turned 18. 
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Q. So, you got a high school equivalency 
diploma at the same time you would have gotten a 
high school graduation certificate —
A. Correct. 
Q. -- had you stayed in school? 
A. Correct. 
Q. And then you were free to pursue the same 
pursuits as anybody else that had graduated from 
high school whether that would be college or a trade 
school or whatever you want to? 
A. No, no. If I would have stayed in school, I 
could have got some type of scholarship. I could have 
had many opportunities in school to learn higher 
education than just the GED. 
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A. I never went to any program or anything. 
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in the court claiming that you come home when you 
want to, you're in trouble with the police, and that 
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know he filed that in July of'04? 
A. No. 
Q. You didn't know that? 
A. (Witness shakes head.) 
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 you, in fact, taking 
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A. Yes. I apologized to my father. 
Q. So, he had a legitimate concern at that 
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Epstein and that always, leaving Jeffrey Epstein's house 
always lead me to do more drugs and more drugs. I was 
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Q. What were you — 
A. I didn't like the way Jeffrey made me feel. 
Q. What were you uncomfortable about your 
body about? 
A. I felt insulted. I felt used. 
Q. Did you tell him that? 
A. No. 
Q. Did you tell anybody that? 
A. Yeah. 
Q. Who did you tell? 
A. a 
Q. On the, on the way over to Jeffrey 
Epstein's when you were taking her there? 
A. Yeah. We would tell each other that we didn't 
like the way we felt. 
Q. Did tu file a complaint that your 
boyfriend 
was stalking you? 
A. Yes. 
Q. Was be, in fact, stalking you? 
A. He got -- he was on coke one day, and I was 
scared because he was trying to get in the house and I 
didn't want nothing to do with him. 
Q. Did that give you some concern? 
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A. Only for that one night that he was on coke. 
He was just trying to, like, get in my house and I 
didn't want him in there. 
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Q. And this was during the time that you were 
seeing Mr. Epstein? 
A. Yeah. 
Q. What else did you and she do together? 
A. Nothing. 
Q. Did you-all live together at some point? 
A. I asked her to -- she asked me if she could 
room with me when I was living in my trailer and 1 gave 
her a chance. About a week later 1 found out that she 
was not the kind of friend for me at all and she was 
into no good things. And I have a son so I couldn't 
have her around. 
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Q. And she threatened to kill you? 
A. Yeah, she threatened a lot of stuff. 
Q. And did you believe she had the capacity 
to do that? 
A. No. 
Q. What gang was she in? 
A. y(phonetic). 
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did you know her to be a violent 
person? 
A. Yeah. But she's like 80-pounds soaking wet so 
Tut not worried about her. She's just lost and God 
bless her soul. 
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arrived, he started pushing and shoving his mother into 
the car. I could tell that he was on drugs. So, I said 
this is uncalled, uncalled for. I called the cops and 
that was that. He ran. I guess you can say 1 have a 
good heart and I give the wrong people chances. 
Q. Well, that was one incident when, when the 
mother was present, right? 
A. Yes, and that night actually --
Q. There was a second incident, was there 
not? 
A. Yes. That night he — that's when he pushed 
me down a couple times and that's when I hit him and 
then he spit blood all over the house. And that's when 
immediately moved out of the house and moved to 
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MR. LUTTIER: I need to take a quick 
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THE VIDEOGRAPHER: Going off the record at 
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Q. Do you actually, yourself, call 
Mr. Epstein's home asking him if you could come 
work, did you not? 
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going to see Mr. Epstein. Sometimes you called and 
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any other girl. And no, they both didn't like it. 
Who would like it? 
Q. Did you have any friends better then M, 
You know, would you consider her, she was your best 
friend, or is your best friend? 
A. At that time, no. 
Q. Who is your best friend now? 
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Q. .How about now? 
A. My son. 
Q. Okay. Other than your son, a friend not 
family. is she, is she your best friend still? 
A. Jesus, myself, my son. Why are you looking at 
me crazy? 
Q. Is she your best friend was the question. 
A. I don't have a best friend. Actually, yes, l 
do. 
Q. Who? 
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Q. Who is she? 
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Q. Is she another person that is suing Jeff 
Epstein? 
A. Nope. She was affiliated with 
who died. 
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A. She was good friends with ha and I met 
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A. Rhode Island. 
Q. Do you have the phone number for this 
babysitter you say you use? 
A. Yes. 
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Q. What's her number? 
A. I don't know it off the top of my head. 
Q. Is she listed in the phone book? 
A. Probably. 
Q. Is she — you say she lives in the 
Acreage? 
A. Yes. 
Q. Is she married? 
A. No. 
Q. Have you ever been to her house? 
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first went to Jeffrey Epstein and when you went the 
last time. If I 
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last deposition: You have no physical proof of when 
you actually went, right, the actual dates that you 
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calendar or notes, something like that. 
MR. EDWARDS: Form. 
THE WITNESS: Nope. 
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Mr. Edwards can't represent one, one client suing 
another one of his clients; you recognize that, 
don't you? 
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THE WITNESS: Okay. 
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deposition? 
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Q. Have you been told anything about it? 
A. No. 
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case . 
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Q. Who is actually representing you now? Do 
you know the name of the law firm that now 
represents you? 
A. Whatever this law firm's called. 
Q. Is it — did you sign a new fee agreement 
with the new law firm? 
A. Yes. 
Q. So, it's whatever firm IMINIM  is now 
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A. No. I don't keep it in my cellphone. 
Q. You, you don't keep your babysitters 
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A. No. 
Q. And you don't have it memorized? 
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Q. So, you've been down to his new law firm? 
A. Yes. 
Q. Did you review anything in preparation for 
today's deposition? 
A. Yesterday I talked to my attorney. 
Q. Did you review any documents? 
A. I reviewed a document, yes. 
Q. What document? 
A. I don't know. I don't know what document, 
sir. Sorry. 
Q. You say you reviewed a document or 
documents? 
A. I reviewed a document. 
Q. One piece of paper? 
A. A few, a few pieces of paper. 
Q. Okay. What were they? What did they have 
on them? 
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questioning calls for attorney-client privilege 
information. She's not going it answer it as 
to exactly what we went over in preparation for 
the deposition. 
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other documents in preparation for your deposition? 
A. No. I have to be out of here at 5:30. 
Q. Did you ever hear anything about how your 
case may have been involved in any of that? 
A. No. It's irrelevant to me right now. 
Q. Does that mean you have never heard 
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verse on it. Do you remember that testimony? 
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Q. Do you know the names of any of your 
clients that you had when you were working — other 
than the ones you've aheady identified here, 
clients you had when you were working for any of the 
escort services? 
A. No. Why would they want me to know their 
names? I don't want to know their names either. 
Q. I have no idea. 
A. They have wives. 
Q. All your clients have wives? 
A. Probably. We don't — it's not about 
relationships, man. It's about — 
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MR. LUTTIER: Right? 
MR. EDWARDS: Fonn. 
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