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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 1 1 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A Yes, interview with discussing the that time. there was. during my she became very upset when sexual activity that took place at She stated that Mr. Epstein had digitally penetrated her. It began first by rubbing her on the outside of on more than one occasion actuallyl with and then He would request her to pinch his nipples. He rubbed her breasts as well. She stated that there was a vibrator that was used on as well, but that she described the vibrator as being a white vibrator with a gray head, and several of the other victims have said the same thing, described it similar to that. Q And just I forget, when you testified about also report having a vibrator used on her? A Yes. Q And, again, so the record is clear, when you are talking about these vibrators, they are the large back massager type vibrator? A We have had some girls just describe OFFICIAL PPPrIPTIMC - CE, LLC EFTA00085351
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11 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 them as a vibrator. We have had some girls just describe them as a back massager and then we also had girls describe them as both, because of the size of it, I think some girls are more aware of what a vibrator would look like due to their ages. You know, I don't know that everybody knew exactly what a sexual vibrator looked like, but they all vibrated, and we have actually had that described, and described it as both, a vibrator slash massager, saying that it was, you know, large in nature. Q Okay. Now in addition to using that massager and was there other sexual activity? A Yes. Several times during the massages, Mr. Epstein would have straddle him while he laid on his stomach and then he would reach between her legs and masturbate and occasionally -- Q And this is when he was laying on his back not his stomach? A I'm sorry. Did I say that? Q You said on his stomach. A He is laying on his back. She's on top of him straddled, and he is reaching between her OFFICIAL REDORTINC SPRVTCE, LLC EFTA00085352
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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 masturbating, and he has attempted to put his penis on never penetrating her, but that was what was described to us by Q Now when was first interviewed by the Palm Beach Police? A She was interviewed October 6th of 2005. Q And at that time, did she say when her last visit was to Mr. Epstein's house? A Yes, she said October 1st, 2005, was the last massage that she had given Mr. Epstein. Is there any other evidence that was recovered from Mr. Epstein's or his household items that would confirm that statement? A We have a message pad. During the search warrant, several of the message pads -- I don't know if we referred to them at this stage. We may not have. We recovered -- well, I shouldn't say we, the Palm Beach Police Department recovered several message pads. They were carbon copy message pads. So we have several of those books from their search warrant and in there, there is a message on October 1st confirming appointment for the massage as well as another 7 OFFICIAL EPORTING SFRV CE, LLC EFTA00085353
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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 girl, Q And is there also evidence that and actually spoke on October 1st before that message? A We have cell phone calls between and was from as well as the message which to Jeffre the appointment for regarding -- confirming but we have a cell phone call I believe it was a little bit earlier from to )r maybe it was , but it is definitely between the two of them on that same day. Q All right. When to was interviewed by the Palm Beach Police Department, did she describe all of the sexual activity? A No, she did about the vibrator or about the vibrator or Q And, again, not. She did not tell them the -- she didn't tell them you said that when you brought up -- did you sort of confront her with the idea that more had occurred? A I did, and she was very embarrassed about the vibrator. I asked her at one point if Mr. Epstein had given her any gifts and she got very red in the face and began to tear up and you OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE, LLC EFTA00085354
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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 could see that she was very embarrassed. So we took a little bit of a break, but then she was able to say that Mr. Epstein had provided her as a birthday present a vibrator. So not only was there a vibrator back massager used on her, kind of but at this what got time -- and I think that's talking about the sexual activity that she was able to tell me that, and she was Epstein very, very embarrassed, but that Mr. had given her for her eighteenth birthday a vibrator. Q Now you mentioned that that happened on her eighteenth birthday? A Yes. Q And was she able to tell you whether Mr. Epstein knew it was her eighteenth birthday? A She stated that Mr. Epstein provided to her on her eighteenth birthday the vibrator and shortly well -- Q So before you had said that had instructed to tell everyone that she was 18; do you remember that? A Yes. Q But at some point, the people in the Epstein household learned that she hadn't turned OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE, LLC EFTA00085355
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15 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 18 yet and her birthday was coming up? A Her birthday was coming up. Q And at some point, was a car provided Yes. In October of '05, asked Mr. Epstein is she could borrow one of his cars to go to Orlando and he stated that -- at first he said yes, and then he said he would get her a rental car. So contacted a few days later and said that a car had been rented for and that the house manager used the company credit card and picked up that car, and actually when the police interviewed her on October 6th, which was five or six days after the last massage, they were able to see that that Nissan Sentra that had been rented by Mr. Epstein, had that in her possession for at least through January 1st of 2006 and that car was rented by Mr. Epstein for at least that amount of time. describe how the massage appointments would be made? A Yes, she did. Q And how was that? OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE, LLC EFTA00085356
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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A She stated that , that , Jeffrey's assistant, would call her and set up appointments, and that sometimes she would call her on her cell phone from New York, from the Islands, and say that they were coming into town, was she available. She would also call while they were in town to see if she was available for massages, to give massages to Mr. Epstein, and stated that , who we have identified as , called her a few times as well to set appointments up. O And when those appointments were made how would reach A By phone. Q All right. And whether she was in town or out of town, she would call cell phone? A Yes. Q All right. Now was there any -- during the interview with the police department, did the police department ask about what she discussed with Jeffrey Epstein during the massages? A I would have to check the police reports OFFICIAL RPPORTINC cwwvlcE, LLC EFTA00085357
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17 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 to give specifics on that. Q All right. A My answer to your question is yes. Q Okay. And what did she say were some of the topics of discussion? A Mr. Epstein asked her questions about herself, asked her if she was a soccer player or that -- Jeffrey knew that she was a soccer player and asked questions about her college, about where she was going to school. is currently going to and she had advised Mr. Epstein that she would be attending college at Q So that was a -- but that was her future plan? A Yes. Q So in other words, did Mr. Epstein know that she was in high school at the time? A asked told the Palm care what Q Now did or to the Yes, he did. And the Palm Beach Police if Jeffrey knew her age and Beach Police Department, he didn't my age was. describe either to you police department how she would be paid for these massages? OFFICIAL Tflfli1T1TrOje , ^-fl- 7CE, LLC EFTA00085358
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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 She stated she was paid $200 and that she received anywhere from two to $300. Q With every visit? A With each visit. Q Okay. Did she say who would provide her with that money? A She said that Jeffrey paid her at the end of the massage. Q All right. You mentioned the gift of the vibrator. Were there other gifts that were given to Yes. The time period is unclear, but the vibrator was given to her for her eighteenth birthday. There were three sets of bra and underwear, panties, Victoria Secret bra and underwear sets that were also given teas gifts from Mr. Epstein. Q Now I know that we talked earlier about the fact that is the person who brought to Mr. Epstein's house. 'Did bring anyone to Mr. Epstein's house? A brought a female m of and that was a friend of Q And let me show you what has been marked as Grand Jury Exhibit 4, and what is Grand Jury OFFICIAL PPPIIRTTNn SRRVIMF, LLC EFTA00085359
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19 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Exhibit 4? A It's a photograph of date of birth of Q How old was her to Mr. Epstein's house? A 2005 and Q when with a took ook her there in the spring of was 18 at that time. Now can you tell us now went about bringing to the house? A told that she could make some money giving and together. a massage to Mr. Epstein and went to Mr. Epstein's house The first time that ent there, she did not go upstairs and give him a massage was working that day. But in talking to further, stated that she probably over the period of time between the spring of '05 and October of '05, performed around five to ten massages for Mr. Epstein. The first few of those he did not do anything as far as no masturbating, no sexual activity. She would just perform a massage. Q And did that change over time? A Yes, it did. She stated that she OFFICIAL RVPORTING gPRVICE, LLC EFTA00085360
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20 1 performed two to three massages out of those five 2 or ten and in her underwear and bra only, and 3 that he would push her each time. 4 He would just push her to do more and on 5 the third -- I believe she stated the third or 6 fourth massage, he told her that she could make 7 more money if she removed her clothing, because 8 she stayed clothed during the first few massages, 9 and she was paid $200 for each of those massages. 10 On the third or fourth massage, Mr. 11 Epstein said that she could make more money if she 12 removed her clothing. So around the fourth or 13 fifth time, she did start taking off her clothing 14 down to her underwear and bra only. 15 Q And then what happened when she was at 16 that point of being unclothed? 17 A She would perform the massage. He 18 attempted to touch her, but she always would say 19 no. At one point, her bra does get undone by Mr. 20 Epstein, but she does keep it up. 21 Now that was the extent of his touching 22 At some point, did he begin masturbating 23 in front of her? 24 A Yes, he did. Not in the very beginning, 25 but throughout this he did. Now I should tell you OFFICIAL REPORTING SRRVTCF, LLC EFTA00085361
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21 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 1 1 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 stated to us that because she was kind of reserved or held back as he made advances towards her, she was able to see Mr. Epstein's penis and that he was masturbating, but that he never finished, that he never ejaculated. She did not feel that Mr. Epstein liked her very much. Q But just to sort of compare what said with what said, they both said that at the beginning they remained clothed? A Yes. Q And that Mr. Epstein progressively pushed and pushed and pushed for more sexual activity? A Yes. Q Now what was the period of time that went to Mr. Epstein's home? A March of -- I'm sorry, spring of '05 is when said that she went there and around, you know, the investigation is heating up with Palm Beach, so we know that in September of '05, there was a trash pull done, and in that trash pull there was a message and that was found and it stated -- it had phone number on it and it stated, for a good time call OFFICIAL RPPORTTNn SERVICE, LLC EFTA00085362
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22 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Q And whose stationery was that? A It was on Jeffrey Epstein's stationery. Q And had Jeffrey Epstein been in a Palm Beach resident close to those dates? A Yes. Q Now is there evidence of telephone calls between and A Yes. Q And how many phone calls have you been able to identify? A At this time, there have been 14 phone calls. Q All right. And just to compare that to the number of phone calls with A With there was over 150 phone calls between and And that is sort of consistent with the of massages that did versus the of massages that did? It is consistent with especially the Q number number A activity that compared to the activity that provide. was providing Mr. Epstein would (Thereupon, knocking is heard at the Grand Jury door.) OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE, LLC EFTA00085363
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23 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 1 1 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Let me just step out for one moment. exits the Grand Jury Room.) enters the Grand Jury Room.) Ladies and gentlemen, I am going to have to take a break now and we will be back either next week or the following week. Thank you very much. You are done for the day. (Witness was excused.) CERTIFICATE OF REPORTER Certified Court Reporter and Notary Public, do certify that the transcript is a true and correct transcription of my stenotype notes of the testimony of SPECIAL AGENT ■ the Federal Grand taken before Jury, West Palm Beach, Florida. A ANG OCCI, CSR #4869 Certified Co rt Reporter OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE, LLC EFTA00085364
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1 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 1 1 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF FLORIDA RE: OPERATION LEAP YEAR COPY SPECIAL AGENT APPEARANCES: / TESTIMONY Ar Federal Grand Jury 07-103 Federal Building U.S. Courthouse West Palm Beach, Florida Tuesday, April 24, 2007 Assistant United States Attorney Foreperson OFFICIAL PFACIRTTNn CFPVT CE, LLC EFTA00085365
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1 The sworn testimony of SPECIAL AGENT 2 was taken before the 3 Federal Grand Jury, West Palm Beach Division, 4 Federal Building, U.S. Courthouse, Palm Beach 5 County, State of Florida, on Tuesday, April 24, 6 2007. 7 Certified Court 8 Reporter and Notary Public, State of Florida, 9 Official Reporting Service, LLC, 524 South Andrews 10 Avenue, Suite 302N, Fort Lauderdale, Florida, 11 33301 , was authorized to and did report the sworn 12 testimony. 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE, LLC EFTA00085366
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3 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 (Witness enters the Grand Jury Room.) THE FOREPERSON: You do solemnly swear that the testimony you give will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God? THE WITNESS: I do. THE FOREPERSON: Thank you. Please be seated. EXAMINATION Q Special Agent would you just remind the grand jurors who you are and who you work for? A My name is a special agent with the FBI and I work here in Palm Beach. Q Special Agent can you tell the grand jurors who will be appearing before them this afternoon? A One of our victims, who was a minor at the time that she met Mr. Epstein. And have you previously testified about OFFICIAL p7DrIPMTMr erPW CE, LLC Yes, I have. EFTA00085367
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4 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Q Did you attempt to interview her? She's going to be coming in, and she is not a minor anymore, so what is her full name? A Her name is and I did attempt to interview and was interviewed by Palm Beach Police Department and because of the statements she provided to the police department, she felt as if she needed a lawyer. So when I attempted to interview her, we ended up going through her lawyer. Q And just so the grand jury has a little bit of background, the interview with the Palm Beach Police Department was quite some time ago? A Yes, it was, Q And when conversation with the pol forthcoming? A Yes, she was. Q Q interview with the police? A The police just let in the fall of '05. started that ce, she was very Fully cooperative? Yes. And what happened in the middle of that know that she could be charged because brought some of the girls to Mr. Epstein and the police -- she was OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE, LLC EFTA00085368
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5 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 very cooperative, but the police at that point had to let could be 0 know that what she had done that she facing charges. And that wa•s after they had told her earlier that she didn't need an attorney present, correct? A Exactly. Okay. So this happens to her with the Palm Beach Police Department and did the Palm Beach Police actually present or propose charging Ms. A They did get a probable cause affidavit against Q And is that why Ms. and her attorney were concerned about her testimony here? A Yes. Q Now was a subpoena issued for Ms. on behalf of this grand jury? A Yes, it was. Q And before Ms. would comply with that, did she -- did her attorney request some sort of order? A Yes. Q And what did he ask for? A He asked for immunity for OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE, LLC EFTA00085369
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6 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Q And let me show you the order, that is a sealed order in these grand jury proceedings. Now the immunity that has been provided for Ms. keeps her statements that are made here from being used against her? A Yes, it does. Q It doesn't -- if she commits perjury and she lies to the grand jury, can she still be charged? A Yes, she can. Q Okay. Could you read that? I know it is only two pages. A Sealed order, on application of the United States Attorneys for the Southern District of Florida and it appearing to the satisfaction of the court that has been called to testify and to provide other information before the United States District Court, the Southern District of Florida, including a grand jury impaneled therein. And number two, that in a judgment of the said United States Attorneys, has refused to testify and provide other information on the basis of her privilege against self incrimination. OFFICIAL REPORTINC; SERVICE, LLC EFTA00085370