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A 
Yes, 
interview with 
discussing the 
that time. 
there was. 
during my 
she became very upset when 
sexual activity that took place at 
She stated that Mr. Epstein had 
digitally penetrated her. 
It began first by 
rubbing her on the outside of 
on more than one occasion actuallyl 
with 
and then 
He would request her to pinch his 
nipples. He rubbed her breasts as well. She 
stated that there was a vibrator that was used on 
as well, 
but 
that she described the vibrator as being a white 
vibrator with a gray head, and several of the 
other victims have said the same thing, described 
it similar to that. 
Q 
And just 
I forget, when you 
testified about 
also report 
having a vibrator used on her? 
A 
Yes. 
Q 
And, again, so the record is clear, when 
you are talking about these vibrators, they are 
the large back massager type vibrator? 
A 
We have had some girls just describe 
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them as a vibrator. We have had some girls just 
describe them as a back massager and then we also 
had girls describe them as both, because of the 
size of it, I think some girls are more aware of 
what a vibrator would look like due to their ages. 
You know, I don't know that everybody 
knew exactly what a sexual vibrator looked like, 
but they all vibrated, and we have actually had 
that described, and 
described it as both, 
a vibrator slash massager, saying that it was, you 
know, large in nature. 
Q 
Okay. 
Now in addition to using that 
massager and 
was 
there other sexual activity? 
A 
Yes. 
Several times during the massages, 
Mr. Epstein would have 
straddle him while 
he laid on his stomach and then he would reach 
between her legs and masturbate and 
occasionally --
Q 
And this is when he was laying on his 
back not his stomach? 
A 
I'm sorry. Did I say that? 
Q 
You said on his stomach. 
A 
He is laying on his back. She's on top 
of him straddled, and he is reaching between her 
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masturbating, and he has attempted to put his 
penis on 
never penetrating her, but 
that was what was described to us by 
Q 
Now when was 
first interviewed 
by the Palm Beach Police? 
A 
She was interviewed October 6th of 2005. 
Q 
And at that time, did she say when her 
last visit was to Mr. Epstein's house? 
A 
Yes, she said October 1st, 2005, was the 
last massage that she had given Mr. Epstein. 
Is there any other evidence that was 
recovered from Mr. Epstein's or his household 
items that would confirm that statement? 
A 
We have a message pad. During the 
search warrant, several of the message pads -- I 
don't know if we referred to them at this stage. 
We may not have. 
We recovered -- well, I shouldn't say 
we, the Palm Beach Police Department recovered 
several message pads. They were carbon copy 
message pads. 
So we have several of those books from 
their search warrant and in there, there is a 
message on October 1st confirming 
appointment for the massage as well as another 
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girl, 
Q 
And is there also evidence that 
and 
actually spoke on October 1st 
before that message? 
A 
We have cell phone calls between 
and 
was from 
as well as the message which 
to Jeffre 
the appointment for 
regarding -- confirming 
but we have a cell 
phone call I believe it was a little bit earlier 
from 
to 
)r maybe it was 
, but it is definitely between the two of 
them on that same day. 
Q 
All right. 
When 
to 
was interviewed 
by the Palm Beach Police Department, did she 
describe all of the sexual activity? 
A 
No, she did 
about the vibrator or 
about the vibrator or 
Q 
And, again, 
not. She did not tell them 
the -- she didn't tell them 
you said that when you 
brought up -- did you sort of confront her with 
the idea that more had occurred? 
A 
I did, and she was very embarrassed 
about the vibrator. 
I asked her at one point if 
Mr. Epstein had given her any gifts and she got 
very red in the face and began to tear up and you 
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could see that she was very embarrassed. 
So we took a little bit of a break, but 
then she was able to say that Mr. Epstein had 
provided her as a birthday present a vibrator. So 
not only was there a vibrator back massager used 
on her, 
kind of 
but at this 
what got 
time -- and I think that's 
talking about the sexual 
activity that she was able to tell me that, and 
she was 
Epstein 
very, very embarrassed, but that Mr. 
had given her for her eighteenth birthday 
a vibrator. 
Q 
Now you mentioned that that happened on 
her eighteenth birthday? 
A 
Yes. 
Q 
And was she able to tell you whether Mr. 
Epstein knew it was her eighteenth birthday? 
A 
She stated that Mr. Epstein provided to 
her on her eighteenth birthday the vibrator and 
shortly 
well --
Q 
So before you had said that 
had 
instructed 
to tell everyone that she was 
18; do you remember that? 
A 
Yes. 
Q 
But at some point, the people in the 
Epstein household learned that she hadn't turned 
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18 yet and her birthday was coming up? 
A 
Her birthday was coming up. 
Q 
And at some point, was a car provided 
Yes. 
In October of '05, 
asked Mr. Epstein is she could 
borrow one of his cars to go to Orlando and he 
stated that -- at first he said yes, and then he 
said he would get her a rental car. 
So 
contacted 
a few days 
later and said that a car had been rented for 
and that the house manager used the 
company credit card and 
picked up that 
car, and actually when the police interviewed her 
on October 6th, which was five or six days after 
the last massage, they were able to see that that 
Nissan Sentra that had been rented by Mr. Epstein, 
had that in her possession for at least 
through January 1st of 2006 and that car was 
rented by Mr. Epstein for at least that amount of 
time. 
describe how the massage 
appointments would be made? 
A 
Yes, she did. 
Q 
And how was that? 
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A 
She stated that 
, that 
, Jeffrey's assistant, would call her and set 
up appointments, and that sometimes she would call 
her on her cell phone from New York, from the 
Islands, and say that they were coming into town, 
was she available. 
She would also call 
while they 
were in town to see if she was available for 
massages, to give massages to Mr. Epstein, and 
stated that 
, who we have identified as 
, called her a few times as well to set 
appointments up. 
O 
And when those appointments were made 
how would 
reach 
A 
By phone. 
Q 
All right. And whether she was in town 
or out of town, she would call 
cell 
phone? 
A 
Yes. 
Q 
All right. 
Now was there any -- during 
the interview with the police department, did the 
police department ask 
about what she 
discussed with Jeffrey Epstein during the 
massages? 
A 
I would have to check the police reports 
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to give specifics on that. 
Q 
All right. 
A 
My answer to your question is yes. 
Q 
Okay. 
And what did she say were some of 
the topics of discussion? 
A 
Mr. Epstein asked her questions about 
herself, asked her if she was a soccer player or 
that -- Jeffrey knew that she was a soccer player 
and asked questions about her college, about where 
she was going to school. 
is currently going to 
and she had advised Mr. Epstein that 
she would be attending college at 
Q 
So that was a -- but that was her future 
plan? 
A 
Yes. 
Q 
So in other words, did Mr. Epstein know 
that she was in high school at the time? 
A 
asked 
told the Palm 
care what 
Q 
Now did 
or to the 
Yes, he did. And the Palm Beach Police 
if Jeffrey knew her age and 
Beach Police Department, he didn't 
my age was. 
describe either to you 
police department how she would be paid 
for these massages? 
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She stated she was paid $200 and that 
she received anywhere from two to $300. 
Q 
With every visit? 
A 
With each visit. 
Q 
Okay. Did she say who would provide her 
with that money? 
A 
She said that Jeffrey paid her at the 
end of the massage. 
Q 
All right. You mentioned the gift of 
the vibrator. 
Were there other gifts that were 
given to 
Yes. The time period is unclear, but 
the vibrator was given to her for her eighteenth 
birthday. There were three sets of bra and 
underwear, panties, Victoria Secret bra and 
underwear sets that were also given teas 
gifts from Mr. Epstein. 
Q 
Now I know that we talked earlier about 
the fact that 
is the person who brought 
to Mr. Epstein's house. 'Did 
bring anyone to Mr. Epstein's house? 
A 
brought a female 
m 
of 
and that was a friend of 
Q 
And let me show you what has been marked 
as Grand Jury Exhibit 4, and what is Grand Jury 
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Exhibit 4? 
A 
It's a photograph of 
date of birth of 
Q 
How old was 
her to Mr. Epstein's house? 
A 
2005 and 
Q 
when 
with a 
took 
ook her there in the spring of 
was 18 at that time. 
Now can you tell us now 
went 
about bringing 
to the house? 
A 
told 
that she could make 
some money giving 
and 
together. 
a massage to Mr. Epstein and 
went to Mr. Epstein's house 
The first time that 
ent there, 
she did not go upstairs and give him a massage 
was working that day. But in talking to 
further, 
stated that she probably 
over the period of time between the spring of '05 
and October of '05, performed around five to ten 
massages for Mr. Epstein. 
The first few of those he did not do 
anything as far as no masturbating, no sexual 
activity. She would just perform a massage. 
Q 
And did that change over time? 
A 
Yes, it did. She stated that she 
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performed two to three massages out of those five 
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or ten and in her underwear and bra only, and 
3 
that he would push her each time. 
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He would just push her to do more and on 
5 
the third -- I believe she stated the third or 
6 fourth massage, he told her that she could make 
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more money if she removed her clothing, because 
8 she stayed clothed during the first few massages, 
9 and she was paid $200 for each of those massages. 
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On the third or fourth massage, Mr. 
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Epstein said that she could make more money if she 
12 removed her clothing. So around the fourth or 
13 fifth time, she did start taking off her clothing 
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down to her underwear and bra only. 
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Q 
And then what happened when she was at 
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that point of being unclothed? 
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A 
She would perform the massage. He 
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attempted to touch her, but she always would say 
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no. 
At one point, her bra does get undone by Mr. 
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Epstein, but she does keep it up. 
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Now that was the extent of his touching 
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At some point, did he begin masturbating 
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A 
Yes, he did. 
Not in the very beginning, 
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but throughout this he did. 
Now I should tell you 
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stated to us that because she was kind 
of reserved or held back as he made advances 
towards her, she was able to see Mr. Epstein's 
penis and that he was masturbating, but that he 
never finished, that he never ejaculated. She did 
not feel that Mr. Epstein liked her very much. 
Q 
But just to sort of compare what 
said with what 
said, they both said that 
at the beginning they remained clothed? 
A 
Yes. 
Q 
And that Mr. Epstein progressively 
pushed and pushed and pushed for more sexual 
activity? 
A 
Yes.
Q 
Now what was the period of time that 
went to Mr. Epstein's home? 
A 
March of -- I'm sorry, spring of '05 is 
when 
said that she went there and around, 
you know, the investigation is heating up with 
Palm Beach, so we know that in September of '05, 
there was a trash pull done, and in that trash 
pull there was a message and that was found and it 
stated -- it had 
phone number on it and 
it stated, for a good time call 
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Q 
And whose stationery was that? 
A 
It was on Jeffrey Epstein's stationery. 
Q 
And had Jeffrey Epstein been in a Palm 
Beach resident close to those dates? 
A 
Yes. 
Q 
Now is there evidence of telephone calls 
between 
and 
A 
Yes. 
Q 
And how many phone calls have you been 
able to identify? 
A 
At this time, there have been 14 phone 
calls. 
Q 
All right. 
And just to compare that to 
the number of phone calls with 
A 
With 
there was over 150 phone 
calls between 
and 
And that is sort of consistent with the 
of massages that 
did versus the 
of massages that 
did? 
It is consistent with especially the 
Q 
number 
number 
A 
activity that 
compared to the activity that 
provide. 
was providing Mr. Epstein 
would 
(Thereupon, knocking is heard at the 
Grand Jury door.) 
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Let me just step out for 
one moment. 
exits the Grand Jury 
Room.) 
enters the Grand Jury 
Room.) 
Ladies and gentlemen, I 
am going to have to take a break now and we 
will be back either next week or the 
following week. Thank you very much. 
You 
are done for the day. 
(Witness was excused.) 
CERTIFICATE OF REPORTER 
Certified Court 
Reporter and Notary Public, do certify that the 
transcript is a true and correct transcription of 
my stenotype notes of the testimony of 
SPECIAL AGENT ■ 
the Federal Grand 
taken before 
Jury, West Palm Beach, Florida. 
A 
ANG 
OCCI, CSR #4869 
Certified Co rt Reporter 
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UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT 
SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF FLORIDA 
RE: OPERATION LEAP YEAR 
COPY 
SPECIAL AGENT 
APPEARANCES: 
/ 
TESTIMONY 
Ar
Federal Grand Jury 07-103 
Federal Building 
U.S. Courthouse 
West Palm Beach, Florida 
Tuesday, April 24, 2007 
Assistant United States Attorney 
Foreperson 
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The sworn testimony of SPECIAL AGENT 
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was taken before the 
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Federal Grand Jury, West Palm Beach Division, 
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Federal Building, U.S. Courthouse, Palm Beach 
5 County, State of Florida, on Tuesday, April 24, 
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2007. 
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Certified Court 
8 Reporter and Notary Public, State of Florida, 
9 Official Reporting Service, LLC, 524 South Andrews 
10 
Avenue, Suite 302N, Fort Lauderdale, Florida, 
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33301 , was authorized to and did report the sworn 
12 testimony. 
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(Witness enters the Grand Jury Room.) 
THE FOREPERSON: You do solemnly swear 
that the testimony you give will be the 
truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the 
truth, so help you God? 
THE WITNESS: 
I do. 
THE FOREPERSON: Thank you. Please be 
seated. 
EXAMINATION 
Q 
Special Agent 
would you 
just remind the grand jurors who you are and who 
you work for? 
A 
My name is 
a special agent with the FBI and I work here in 
Palm Beach. 
Q 
Special Agent 
can you tell 
the grand jurors who will be appearing before them 
this afternoon? 
A 
One of our victims, 
who was a 
minor at the time that she met Mr. Epstein. 
And have you previously testified about 
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Q 
Did you attempt to interview her? She's 
going to be coming in, and she is not a minor 
anymore, so what is her full name? 
A 
Her name is 
and I did 
attempt to interview 
and 
was 
interviewed by Palm Beach Police Department and 
because of the statements she provided to the 
police department, she felt as if she needed a 
lawyer. So when I attempted to interview her, we 
ended up going through her lawyer. 
Q 
And just so the grand jury has a little 
bit of background, the interview with the Palm 
Beach Police Department was quite some time ago? 
A 
Yes, it was, 
Q 
And when 
conversation with the pol 
forthcoming? 
A 
Yes, she was. 
Q 
Q 
interview with the police? 
A 
The police just let 
in the fall of '05. 
started that 
ce, she was very 
Fully cooperative? 
Yes. 
And what happened in the middle of that 
know that she 
could be charged because 
brought some of the 
girls to Mr. Epstein and the police -- she was 
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very cooperative, but the police at that point had 
to let 
could be 
0 
know that what she had done that she 
facing charges. 
And that wa•s after they had told her 
earlier that she didn't need an attorney present, 
correct? 
A 
Exactly. 
Okay. So this happens to her with the 
Palm Beach Police Department and did the Palm 
Beach Police actually present or propose charging 
Ms. 
A 
They did get a probable cause affidavit 
against 
Q 
And is that why Ms. 
and her 
attorney were concerned about her testimony here? 
A 
Yes. 
Q 
Now was a subpoena issued for Ms. 
on behalf of this grand jury? 
A 
Yes, it was. 
Q 
And before Ms. 
would comply with 
that, did she -- did her attorney request some 
sort of order? 
A 
Yes. 
Q 
And what did he ask for? 
A 
He asked for immunity for 
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Q 
And let me show you the order, that is a 
sealed order in these grand jury proceedings. 
Now 
the immunity that has been provided for Ms. 
keeps her statements that are made here from being 
used against her? 
A 
Yes, it does. 
Q 
It doesn't -- if she commits perjury and 
she lies to the grand jury, can she still be 
charged? 
A 
Yes, she can. 
Q 
Okay. Could you read that? 
I know it 
is only two pages. 
A 
Sealed order, on application of the 
United States Attorneys for the Southern District 
of Florida and it appearing to the satisfaction of 
the court that 
has been called to 
testify and to provide other information before 
the United States District Court, the Southern 
District of Florida, including a grand jury 
impaneled therein. 
And number two, that in a judgment of 
the said United States Attorneys, 
has 
refused to testify and provide other information 
on the basis of her privilege against self 
incrimination. 
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