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Lähettäjät: Lawrence Krauss · Noam Chomsky

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an article you may both hate. or like.

Lähettäjä: Lawrence Krauss
Vastaanottajat: Noam Chomsky, jeffrey E. <[email protected]>
Aika: Thursday, September 10, 2015 1:51 AM
hope all is well.

Lawrence

http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/all-scientists-should-be-militant-atheists
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Re: an article you may both hate. or like.

Lähettäjä: Noam Chomsky
Vastaanottajat: Lawrence Krauss
Aika: Sep 10, 2015, at 10:52 AM
Thanks for sending. A wide area of agreement, but not total.

On confronting dogma, I of course agree — though in my opinion the secular religions — nationalist fanaticism, etc. — are
much more dangerous. And if some find rational discussion offensive — as, for example, mainstream academics find
dismantling myths of "American exceptionalism" or "Israeli self-defense" or Obama's mass murder campaign, etc.,
offensive — so be it.

But I don't see why that should extend to ridicule. That includes astrologists. Astronomers can refute astrology, while
recognizing that perfectly honest and deluded people may believe it and should be treated with respect, while their
beliefs are confronted with evidence. I also don't see why we should ridicule religious dogma, just as I don't think we
should ridicule the much more pernicious secular dogmas. Rather, we should respond to irrational belief with argument
and evidence, while recognizing that their advocates (like most of the intellectual world in the case of secular dogma)
are people who we should be responding to but without ridiculing them. It may be hard sometimes. For example, when
the icon and founding father of sober non-sentimental Realism in International Affairs informs us that the US, unlike
other countries, has a "transcendental purpose," and the fact that it constantly acts in contradiction to its purpose
doesn't matter because the facts are just "abuse of history" while real history is "the evidence of history as our minds
reflect it," then it's hard to avoid ridicule. But we should. There's no point ridiculing virtually the entire IR profession
and the major journals, even though such extraordinary irrationality leads to major human disasters.

On Davis, I frankly think that's a non-issue. If she decides she cannot do her job as the conditions of employment
require (including following the law), then she can quit and look for another job. As in any other such case.

Noam
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RE: an article you may both hate. or like.

Lähettäjä: Noam Chomsky
Vastaanottajat: Lawrence Krauss
Aika: September 10, 2015 at 12:01:39 PM MST
Then we're in complete agreement.

Noam
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Re: an article you may both hate. or like.

Lähettäjä: Lawrence Krauss
Vastaanottajat: Noam Chomsky
Aika: Thursday, September 10, 2015 2:46 PM
I couldn't agree more. Re ridicule. I never suggest ridiculing people. However by pointing out the inconsistency,
or contravening evidence associated with various ideas, including for example American exceptionalism, then
we are essentially subjecting ideas to ridicule. That is what I meant.
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Fwd: an article you may both hate. or like.

Lähettäjä: Lawrence Krauss
Vastaanottajat: jeffrey E. [[email protected]]
Aika: 9/10/2015 8:09:42 PM

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