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OFFICIAL RECORD 
FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION 
Date of entry 
 
02/24/2021
date of birth
was interviewed in person in 
ver the course of 3 days spanning from 10/14/2020 to 
. resent for this interview was Assistant United States Attorney 
Detective 
and Special Agent 
Also 
present for this interview was 
ttorney 
and 
A ter •eing advised of the identities of the 
above listed individuals and the nature of the interview, 
provided 
the following information: 
(10/14/2020) 
recalls that she first met GHISLAINE MAXWELL in September of 
1997. She recalls this date because it was a year after she had left the 
universit but it was rior to her birthda . 
friend knew MAXWELL. 
This 
goes to MAXWELL's house in Belgravia and meets 
MAXWELL for the first time. MAXWELL was nice and asked many questions. She 
asked 
about herself and what she wanted to do with her future. At 
the time MAXWELL was having a party and everyone there seemed to be nice and 
happy. 
knew some of the people there so she felt comfortable. 
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After about a week 
MAXWELL's boyfriend 
(JEFFREY EPSTEIN) shows up in 
and 
meets him. Together they 
made her feel comfortable and welcome. MAXWELL was smart and witty and 
EPSTEIN was friendly and kind. On this first instance they met in the 
office and everything went fine. 
recalls that EPSTEIN put his foot 
in her lap. It had seemed odd but MAXWELL laughed. MAXWELL may have said 
something about rubbing his foot. It was strange but 
did it. 
EPSTEIN asked her lots of 
questions. MAXWELL and EPSTEIN seemed close. 
felt like she trusted 
them. 
knew that EPSTEIN was someone important but at the time wasn't 
totally sure why. 
She knew he had lots of homes and employees. 
Afterwards, 
ran errands. 
The pilots also seemed nice. 
felt safe and excited. 
does not recall a strict timeline on when she moved to New York 
Prior 
to moving to New York she recalls seeing EPSTEIN a few more times in 
On the third occasion MAXWELL leaves the office and tells 
that she doesn't have to come until the next day because EPSTEIN was 
leaving. EPSTEIN tells 
that he has to take a rest and he tells her 
to come to the room. While in there he asks her to rub his foot. Then 
there was a very unexpected incident that occurred. At this point in the 
interview, it was very upsetting to 
and she wished to not talk 
further on this incident. 
Afterwards 
go to America 
happened with 
happened. 
had to 
goes home. 
wanted to 
but was afraid that MAXWELL would be mad at her over what had 
EPSTEIN. 
may have called a friend to discuss what 
goes in the office to tell MAXWELL what EPSTEIN had done. 
build up the courage to do this. After she tells MAXWELL what 
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happened, 
feels dumb as though she "made a mountain out of a mole 
hill". MAXWELL made it feel as though it wasn't a big deal. She made 
feel like a fool, like she shouldn't have said anything and like it's 
not important. MAXWELL flipped it and made her feel like she was lucky and 
that somehow 
was special. 
Prior to moving to New York, 
learned to drive in one week. It was 
very stressful 
failed 
the first time taking the test and MAXWELL tells her it's ok and to try 
again. 
takes it again and she passes. That afternoon, prior to 
taking the test, a flight had already been booked. 
Prior to leaving 
, 
takes a trip on 
with MAXWELL to 
meet 
mother and father. Both of 
parents loved MAXWELL as 
she was charming, funny and likeable. 
They all laugh at 
this comment. They all felt safe and MAXWELL told 
parents that she 
was going to look after their daughter. 
was really trusting back then and was taught 
to respect her elders. 
When 
eventually moves to the United States she first travels to 
Palm Beach where she stays for about three days before she moves to New 
York. When in New York, she is shown what will be her apartment/ studio. 
This apartment was provided to 
and would be docked out of her pay. 
MAXWELL shows 
a map of Manhattan and points out where everyone lives 
and where the office is located. MAXWELL felt motherly and 
cared for her. The office is where they run their properties. 
in MAXWELL's office. 
recalls that her apartment was 
felt she 
The office was on 
51 Street. MAXWELL's flat was on 84 Street. EPSTEIN's house was on 71 
Street. 
helped MAXWELL to clear through her closet and clear and organize 
her house. She also assisted in helping with her house design, decorating 
and running errands. 
She would document 
antiques that were sold or bought. 
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started making friends and going out 
Everything 
was on a need-to-know basis. There was always a 
never ending list of things to do and it was very overwhelming. Over time, 
things changed a lot. Things got bigger...the planes, the houses. It was 
constant work. At first, 
had felt like part of a family. She felt 
accepted and felt like they cared. 
They traveled often and 
felt lucky. The 
travel started right away. Sometimes, 
would travel with them but not 
actually stay with MAXWELL and EPSTEIN. Sometimes when they went to Florida 
would go and stay with her boyfriend. If she went to the island or 
to the ranch then she definitely would stay with them. 
When 
went to England or Palm Beach she would sometimes visit with 
family or friends while there. 
learned to stop asking questions 
because they would get annoyed. MAXWELL would give her that sense. 
states that her friend 
said that he trusted 
these people as well so they both felt difficulties processing what all has 
been unfolding. They (EPSTEIN and MAXWELL) are "people you admire so it's 
difficult to comprehend that they would do these things". 
knet. 
from back then. 
walked into a flat to check on 
it. She would make sure that everything was neat and working and that it 
was stocked with groceries. 
went to change the kettle and III was 
there in his boxers. 
was shocked. They ended up chatting and 
hanging out. In or around 
went to a concert with 
They talked about how difficult it was for 
thinks that 
might be part of this case. It makes 
angry with MAXWELL and EPSTEIN because 
family are a sweet family. 
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on one occasion and in 
last year 
not happy and she would take it out on her. 
lot. More people started coming around all t 
friendly between MAXWELL and 
York it was more intense. On the Island 
then noticed that MAXWELL was 
Their relationship changed a 
he time. It became less 
did not feel valued. In New 
did not want to be there. 
In 2001, 
they were being mean and 
getting pushed out. She felt trapped and didn't know where to go. It was 
getting toxic and there were lots of arguments. One example of this that 
recalls is that one day she was 
feeling sad and 
depressed when MAXWELL looked at her and says "I don't want to look at you 
just go home". 
didn't 
and EPSTEIN would 
Sometimes EPSTEIN 
felt like she was 
see them together that much, maybe in Palm Beach. MAXWELL 
fight and argue. Then MAXWELL would be in a bad mood. 
would yell at 
. This happened more often 
met-around 
that time and she often 
traveled with him and not with MAXWELL and EPSTEIN. Lots of staff left 
around this time. It was a toxic environment and didn't feel like a family 
anymore. 
A couple at the ranch left. 
best friend 
in New York left. 
was told she could not call her anymore and 
she was scared to contact her. It seemed ridiculous that she could not 
contact her friend but she had signed a non-disclosure. 
sister, who worked at the ranch, also left. 
From the start, 
believed that EPSTEIN and MAXWELL were boyfriend 
and girlfriend. 
was told from the start that wealthy men that aren't 
married don't have to settle down with one person. EPSTEIN had girlfriends 
and 
accepted that. 
was a girlfriend. 
did not know who was just a friend and who 
thought that MAXWELL just really wanted to marry him. She seemed 
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like a lost soul and it seemed like she wanted to just settle down and have 
kids. By the time 
left it seemed as though they were drifting 
apart. MAXWELL did not seem as important. There seemed to be another 
girlfriend. MAXWELL moved into 65th street. MAXWELL was very upset and 
crying about another girlfriend that came back. 
was a shoulder for 
her to cry on and she felt sorry for her. 
Not too long before 
left they asked her if she would carry a baby 
for them. 
later read that in the news that they did this to someone 
else. Near the end, EPSTEIN said he wanted to get a house for 
. 
He 
would drive her around and give her attention. 
couldn't get a house 
because she didn't make enough money. 
In the office, if EPSTEIN came in 
had to get his tea and muffins 
ready for when he sat down. 
was nervous that she wouldn't have it 
ready in time and possibly get in trouble. 
On one occasion she got called into his room in Palm Beach. EPSTEIN and 
MAXWELL were both there and they were excited. There was a bump in the 
bed. One of them told her to sit down and see what the bump is. 
pulled back the sheet and there was a violin case. They had previously 
known that 
played violin. Inside the case was a violin. They tell 
her to go play it. 
started playing it but a string broke. 
ran out of the room, states it felt strange. She was not sure what was 
happening and not sure why it was given to her in bed. Around 2011, 
sells the violin. 
The first incident in 
with EPSTEIN was the first time "it 
happened" but it happened more sporadically. 
felt she needed to tell 
MAXWELL because it was sexual. The other incidents were also sometimes 
sexual. 
There were other times that there were others involved in the sexual 
encounters other than EPSTEIN. MAXWELL was involved about 1-2 times. There 
were about 4-5 other people involved over the years. There were never males 
involved. The places it happened in was New York, Palm Beach, New Mexico, 
The Virgin Islands and on the plane. In New York it only happened after 
and she would be caught off guard when it 
happened. On the plane it happened once on their way to Harvard. Sometimes 
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on the plane • 
EPSTEIN's feet. 
would serve meals but she generally just rubbed 
It would get put in 
head that she was great at foot massages. 
She gave foot massages to MAXWELL sometimes. In the beginning that's how it 
all started, with foot massages. 
massaged EPSTEIN's hands when they 
were at the movies a lot. 
had her photo taken on the beach on the island by the rocks by 
MAXWELL. The photo session was meant to just be this fun thing with no real 
purpose. MAXWELL told her this. Other people on the island were there for 
this. 
just did what she was told and it felt a bit like peer 
pressure. The photos that were taken on the rocks 
was not wearing 
clothes. No one was wearing clothes. 
felt like she had to. She 
thinks she has seen these photos since. 
Sometimes 
would get a towel and lotion and do a massage properly. 
and EPSTEIN would talk during these times. 
would never know 
if these massages would lead into something else or not. 
There was not necessarily a pattern because it was different in each 
place they traveled. Sometimes EPSTEIN would say "see you upstairs". 
Sometimes 
would massage his feet and he would fall asleep. Sometimes 
it would lead to something else. 
never had intercourse with EPSTEIN. It was a rule that MAXWELL 
told 
. MAXWELL said that she was the only one that sleeps in his 
bed. MAXWELL said, "I'm the girlfriend and I'm the one that gets to sleep 
with him." At the time, 
just thought this was what was expected of 
her. He reduced her to accept this as her job. 
thought she wasn't 
worth more. 
[Agent note: At this point in the interview a break was taken and Detective 
Byrne stepped out of the room and was no longer present during the following 
portion of the interview.] 
described herself as a girl who is shy and closes the curtain in 
the changing room. 
At the time of the photograph incident, 
was not comfortable with 
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it, but felt like she would get in trouble if she said no. 
felt 
empty and it did not feel right. 
would not have chosen to do 
something like that. MAXWELL was quite flippant saying something like, "Oh, 
no one's going to see your face; you'll blend into the rocks." 
could 
not say no; she was on an island with no where to go and 
was 
telling her to do something. 
Another time photographs were taken it was just 
and EPSTEIN. 
EPSTEIN took out a camera and said "take your top off". 
did not want 
to do that. EPSTEIN pushed her (not physically) to do something 
did 
not want to do. EPSTEIN took a photograph of 
without her top on. 
wondered why he was making her feel that way. 
felt 
disappointment that she did not matter. 
felt that EPSTEIN and 
MAXWELL were kind generous people but she was scared of them as well. 
MAXWELL referred to 
as her "little sister". MAXWELL also referred 
to 
in derogatory terms but would say that it was all in jest. 
MAXWELL and EPSTEIN were cruel. 
remembered the incident with the violin and remembered it being 
really dark. 
could not remember everything in the specific sequence 
it happened. 
thought "it happened" one to two times maximum. 
MAXWELL left her alone after that. 
thought it was after it happened 
that MAXWELL stroked 
arm saying, "You have such soft skin." 
thought MAXWELL thought she went over the line because of how 
reacted. 
could not remember if MAXWELL was nude. 
MAXWELL was not ashamed of her body. MAXWELL would strip one thing off 
and change into something else. 
would turn her back. 
That was when their relationship started to go sour because 
would 
not go along with it. 
A separate incident from the violin incident was a time where MAXWELL was 
sitting on the left side opposite 
while EPSTEIN was to the right of 
EPSTEIN was on the right hand side where his gun was. MAXWELL was 
topless. 
chest. 
thought MAXWELL grabbed her arm and put 
was in a situation she did not want to be in 
did 
it on MAXWELL's 
not ask for it nor did she want it. 
did not 
find MAXWELL attractive and felt sick. It felt like it was an out of body 
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experience for -; 
she was extremely uncomfortable and unhappy about the 
situation. It was a situation that should not have happened. It involved 
the removal of clothes. They never spoke of it again 
people don't talk about issues that are difficult. 
felt an excuse to leave really fast. 
never had intercourse with EPSTEIN and never had "anything major" 
with a woman. 
had similar experiences with friends of hers she met through 
EPSTEIN and MAXWELL. Nothing sort of major happened. The stuff 
read about that is orno ra hic did not ha••en to her. 
has 
• 
• 
• 
The incidents with 
her. 
nightmare. 
peers were where they were all older than 
felt the whole world knows these things and felt stuck in a 
talked about a really upsetting time when she was invited on a 
trip to the island. At the time, 
was living in 
was a science convention being held on the island. 
excited about it; 
arrived there were four or five other women 
There 
was initially 
. When 
there that she had not 
met before. 
was shown to a room with three other people and felt it 
was strange. At one point someone came to take 
to EPSTEIN and she 
followed. One person 
and another a hand. 
attorney 
pleasuring himself or 
concurred with this statement.) 
was dumbfounded that she was 
put in this situation - she did not see it coming. 
was really 
angry. 
did not remember the rest of the trip. 
had thought 
she was being asked there as a special guest but she felt she was just being 
used. 
grabbed EPSTEIN's foot, while another grabbed an arm, 
was rubbing EPSTEIN's foot. (Agent note: 
interjected saying that EPSTEIN was 
the others were pleasuring him during this incident. 
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When 
went to 
her school 
fees were paid for the first year. MAXWELL still came into town 
occasionally. MAXWELL wanted to meet 
friends; she always wanted to 
meet everyone in her life. MAXWELL would want a massage therapist or a yoga 
instructor when she came into town. There was one dinner where 
showed up to and realized MAXWELL was up to something. This was in 
and BILL CLINTON arrived. 
felt it was a lovely dinner 
and it was the first and only time she met CLINTON. When 
was in 
MAXWELL was very pushy and 
was fearful of her. 
felt that MAXWELL had changed. 
recalled sitting opposite of one of them and felt that something 
was different, like their soul wasn't there anymore. 
felt it was 
difficult to explain. It was also conflicting for 
at the same time 
as she also still felt a fondness for MAXWELL. 
met PRINCE ANDREW a few times; there were no strange experiences 
with him. 
felt she did not know what to believe anymore. 
saw 
PRINCE ANDREW in Palm Beach. EPSTEIN told 
to take PRINCE ANDREW to a 
bar in Miami. 
went there with another friend and everything was 
fine. What 
different. 
has read about him and what her experience with him was 
Around the end of 2007/2008 
friend asked, "Oh have you heard 
about Jeffrey". When 
responded no, her friend told her EPSTEIN was 
in trouble. 
just thought someone was after his money. 
thought he was in jail for about a year and a half. 
thought 
EPSTEIN had done something he wasn't supposed to do; someone had told her 
that someone had accused EPSTEIN of something. Next thing 
heard was 
that some women were talking about investigation taking place. 
remembered thinking "oh my God there are these really young girls". 
was upset because she knew EPSTEIN and MAXWELL. 
would have seen MAXWELL before EPSTEIN went to jail but she did 
not recall speaking to MAXWELL about it. 
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In or around August 2019, 
had read about the recent 
investigation. 
read about "these girls" and was upset about it as 
she was reading it along with the rest of the world. When 
saw the 
case was regarding child sex trafficking she thought it was fake news 
because her experience was different. 
In or around February 2008 was the last time 
saw EPSTEIN and it 
was horrendous. 
[Agent note: Interview concluded for 10/14/20.] 
(10/15/2020) 
Present at the start of the interview day 2 was Assistant United States 
Attorney 
III, Detective 
and Special Agent 
Also present was 
attorney 
and 
states that she was not sure about EPSTEIN's and MAXWELL's 
financial relationship. MAXWELL was getting a salary of some kind. She may 
have done things separately, maybe the stock market but 
was not 
totally sure. 
JOHN and MARY were the housekeepers in Palm Beach. They were a kind and 
sweet couple. Each house had a couple that looked after it. MARY would 
clean, but JOHN would also. JOHN also served drinks and would sometimes 
drive. He cooked a bit and made breakfast, and did maintenance. 
EPSTEIN did not have a personal assistant until later when 
replaced her. 
a lot. 
EPSTEIN had people in the office and in each home that helped 
really nice. 
showed
cross over that much. 
September of 2001. 
She was 
her around the different homes but they didn't 
would have arrived around August or 
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The office would schedule appointments. Each home had staff which would 
take over when EPSTEIN arrived. 
was told to treat him like a king. 
didn't know what everyone was doing at all times. 
EPSTEIN and MAXWELL both received regular massages. 
heard that 
EPSTEIN would have multiple a day. 
was aware that he would get the 
massages but she also read that he did. He would get massages at all of his 
properties. They would arrive at some point during the trip. 
was 
probably asked to call someone at some point. 
was aware that there 
would sometimes be a couple massages a day. The massages were important to 
him; EPSTEIN would say they were therapeutic and they helped him think. 
In Palm Beach, 
thought maybe JOHN or MARY would call someone to 
come in for massages. When 
was in Palm Beach she would fly in with 
them and then often go to see her boyfriend. 
"The Book", which was an address book, is how they scheduled massages. 
The book is the one that's all over the Internet now. The Book was there 
the whole time that 
worked there. There was a black book for EPSTEIN 
and a blue book for MAXWELL. They may have used each book. 
sometimes put information into the book. It was an annoying thing and had 
to be updated regularly. Sometimes she was told to update it. Other people 
had access to it and updated the book. 
was asked about people in the book coming to give massages. She 
states that she just was told to put the names and addresses in the book. 
She said she was asked to call someone from the book. She had called a 
friend to chat. 
had only called to schedule massages a few times. 
She would be told to call someone to come for a massage. 
At the Palm Beach house when someone would show up to give a massage they 
would let themselves in. They would go upstairs to the massage room and 
maybe be there for about an hour. Afterwards towels would be brought down 
and put into the washing machine by the massage therapist. JOHN paid them 
by writing a check or giving cash. Then they would go home. Sometimes the 
cash came from petty cash. What 
observed was girls her age or older 
giving massages. One girl flew over from California. 
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was asked if it was always just one person coming for the massage 
to which she stated yes. 
stated that she later found out that a 
friend's sister had come over. 
In reference to the book 
would have said "this is the book with all of EPSTEIN's contacts and he 
sometimes gets massages". 
was more focused on the home design. 
stated that she did recognize the book that she saw online. She 
recognized it because she has seen it 
it's definitely real. The book has grown since she's 
seen it and the massage list has grown a lot. 
MAXWELL had asked 
if she wanted to be training in massage therapy 
to which she stated no. 
thinks that JOHN and MARY were still working there when she left. 
recalled 
orking there 
was 
working as a receptionist. 
sometimes stepped in for her in the New 
York office. She would answer phones and also worked for EPSTEIN's 
company. She was a financial advisor for "Epstein and Company". 
EPSTEIN was interested in very wealthy and important people's money that 
only earned over a certain amount. MAXWELL said something about this but 
EPSTEIN told 
the specific amount of money he dealt with. 
Everyone traveled at some point. There were times MAXWELL and EPSTEIN 
went on trips without 
wasn't there all the time. 
may 
have met some of the clients but when she met people she did not know if 
they were clients or not. 
LES WEXNER was one of EPSTEIN's clients. 
thought that EPSTEIN got 
the 71 Street house from WEXNER. EPSTEIN was very proud to have WEXNER as a 
client. EPSTEIN told 
he invested his money. 
does not 
remember meeting anyone else that worked for EPSTEIN financially. 
was asked who else she recalled working in the office. She stated 
that lawyers, assistants and people that dealt with his personal finances 
worked in the office. Gardeners and builders all needed to be paid at all 
of his properties. 
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was asked about III and his family. She stated the family is 
abou 
knew the 
whole family. 
knew III from 
that she thought was 
does not think he  was 
up in 
hey became 
was a friend 
when she first met him. When they met back 
was not sure when she first met 
She recalled 
being 
wit 
at the home in 
served them tea. They were discussing a scholarship. JOHN 
and MARY told 
that they give lots of scholarships to young people. 
met 
a few times. 
They wereillillillscholarships. 
thought either 
had received scholarships. 
thought they lived in 
When 
first met them they seemed 
like a really nice family. JOHN and MARY were probably there for this. The 
family was probably there to see EPSTEIN and MAXWELL. 
The next time 
saw 
was in 
at some point. EPSTEIN 
told 
to take 
out. 
thought 
was cool and she took 
her out with her friends. 
In 
would go to dinners with the family. She went to 
birthday party. 
realizes now that this may 
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have been happening prior to when she arrived. 
was asked if she remembered 
to which she stated 
yes. 
thought she met her in the kitchen in Palm Beach around the end 
of 2000. 
was introduced to 
as being the new traveling 
massage therapist. 
was 
friend who used to do that job. 
MAXWELL introduced 
to 
She remembered meeting her in the 
kitchen but she also read about this in many places. 
was either told by MAXWELL or 
that 
used to work at 
Mar-A-Lago. 
seemed quite young and nice. 
drove 
home 
at one point but doesn't remember where she lived. 
seemed pretty 
confident. 
was on the plane a few times going to the same place as 
and she had seen her at the house a few times. 
was then asked what places she traveled with 
stated they went to the island together a few times. Flight logs show only 
a few people traveling there but people traveled there on other planes. 
Other places they traveled together were 
would give massages at these 
places while traveling. 
was envious of 
because 
she was not sure what ■ 
would do with her free time. 
and MAXWELL seemed to be friendly with each other but 
did 
not recall much. 
did not remember much of 
' relationship with EPSTEIN but 
thinks it was probably friendly as well. 
may have seen 
was not sure who it was. 
friends. 
at the house with someone else but not she 
never met any of 
' family or 
On one occasion, 
seemed strange but it was unclear if she was on 
some drugs or alcohol. 
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but was friendly with her. 
friendly to everyone. 
that 
was asked about other frequent visitors. 
was there and was a good friend of hers. 
was 
stated that 
was asked about other traveling massage therapists. 
was one. She was not sure if she recalled that 
her or from later. 
She stated 
from meeting 
came to Balmoral and Palm Beach a few times. She came from 
to Palm Beach. 
was told to 
She took too long while there and EPSTEIN got 
being late. 
id not step in and take 
been a girlfrien . 
stated that she did recall meeting 
therapist that came from 
She was 
in a few times and was around pretty much the 
MAXWELL had a friendly relationship with her. 
was not really friends with her. 
take her to a yoga studio. 
mad 
the 
and yelled at 
for 
blame. 
may have 
was a massage 
nice and friendly. She flew 
whole time. EPSTEIN and 
was a bit older so 
[Agent note: At this point in the interview a break was 
Byrne stepped out of the room and was no longer present 
portion of the interview.] 
taken and Detective 
during the following 
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recalled being on a trip with 
to 
MAXWELL and 
went carpet shopping and a taxi drove them around. 
would 
have been with EPSTEIN while MAXWELL and 
were out. 
did not share a room with 
while they were in 
When 
was asked if she had any reason to belive 
had sexual 
contact with EPSTEIN and/or MAXWELL and she replied no. When 
was 
asked if she witnessed any sexual contact with EPSTEIN and MAXWELL, she 
replied no. 
has given only the one written statement. 
has not given 
any interviews. 
thought that if she defended herself she would be 
attacked. No lawyers had tried to contact her except for MAXWELL's 
attorneys about the book. 
The second time the book was released it talked about orgies on the 
island and things that supposedly happened with MAXWELL. 
said this 
was not true. 
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was asked if the following people had traveled on EPSTEIN's plane 
JOHN/MARY did not travel. 
• 
may have traveled. 
may have traveled to visit 
but 
was not sure. 
did travel with 
but did not remember specifically where. 
• 
did travel with 
on the plane. 
• 
did not travel with her. 
• 
did not travel with her. When 
was asked if she remembered 
being on the plane with 
, she replied no. When 
was asked if 
she remembered 
traveling on the plane at all, she replied no. 
was not using "massage therapist" as a code word. 
was 
asked if she was aware of the following people giving massages. 
JOHN/MARY 
• 
not give massages to her knowledge. 
• 
did not think she gave massages. 
• 
thought 
probably did give massages. 
has 
read that 
gave massages. 
remembered 
being in a 
situation once after 
had already left. 
was on the island 
for a science conference and 
was there. When 
was asked if 
she was aware if 
gave a massage, she replied no. 
• 
gave massages. 
massage therapist. 
go off to give massages. 
• 
did not give massages to her knowledge. 
• 
did not give massages to her knowledge. 
had been introduced to 
as a 
rubbed feet at the movies. 
saw 
massaged MAXWELL's feet as well. 
never gave "official 
massages". If EPSTEIN wanted his calves massaged that is what 
would 
massage. If 
was sitting in the car she would have to massage hands, 
foot, and back. There was a massage room in each location including Palm 
Beach, Zorro Ranch, and there would have been one on the island. The massage 
room in Palm Beach was in the bathroom. 
would go in there and change 
when something happened. 
would also go in MAXWELL's bathroom. 
When EPSTEIN told 
to meet him in the room in a few minutes, 
would go in the massage room. 
would go in and change. When 
asked what she meant by changing, 
said that she would change to 
remove clothes both before and after. When asked why clothes were removed, 
she replied that was sometimes what would happen with EPSTEIN. 
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portion of the interview.] 
would do what EPSTEIN told her to do. 
would have to be 
there when EPSTEIN wanted her to do things. EPSTEIN would want to see 
while he did things. EPSTEIN would pleasure himself and make her do 
things to him. EPSTEIN would have 
touch his "top half". 
EPSTEIN would make 
suck and squeeze his nipples. EPSTEIN taught 
how to pleasure him. Sometimes EPSTEIN would get a back massager and 
use it. It was mainly about EPSTEIN and making him happy. 
never said 
no because she did not know how to say no; what EPSTEIN said went. 
EPSTEIN told 
he would teach her to be really good at doing that so 
she would make a really good wife someday. EPSTEIN made her pleasure him 
with her hand and her mouth. This would typically happen in his bed. 
EPSTEIN had a device there under the table or bed. It was whatever EPSTEIN 
wanted. EPSTEIN put the device "down there" over 
"knickers" and 
over her vaginal area. 
needed to look like she was enjoying 
herself. EPSTEIN used the device on the top of her vagina and used his hand 
and fingers inside her vagina. Sometimes 
would just be in her 
knickers while other times she would just have her top on. Sometimes she 
would want to keep her top on. EPSTEIN would tell 
to take her top 
and/or knickers off. 
When 
was asked if anyone else was in the room when this occurred, 
she replied that one of her peers that traveled with her was in the room. 
There was less touching and it was more visual. There were approximately 
four to five times where there was another person present in the room. 
never did "anything serious" with a female in these situations. 
When 
was asked if the people who were in the room were any of 
those that had already been mentioned, she replied yes. 
was in the 
room. 
did not remember everything that happened while she was in the 
room. 
remembered 
hair because it was similar to her own. 
assumed they were not wearing clothes. 
recalled being on the bed and MAXWELL was to her left. 
then recalled that she was on the foot of the bed and thought she was 
mixing it up. MAXWELL was not wearing a top. EPSTEIN was on 
left 
hand side. 
did not recall MAXWELL being in the room when some form 
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of penetration happened. The only times MAXWELL was in the room with her 
was this time and the time with the violin. 
described how things would typically happen while in the room with 
another person. Someone would be massaging a hand or foot while 
was 
there as well. EPSTEIN would pleasure himself or someone 
- like 
visual. 
had previously described. No one was being 
There was a time where 
went back to New York and 
happened that was less visual. In or around 2008, when 
things that had been kept in the attic since 2001. 
EPSTEIN because he got her a flight there and put her up in a flat so she 
could stay. 
had called 
to come over to the 71st Street 
address. When 
arrived, she went up to a floor that she had never 
been on before. 
had guided her there. In the 
EPSTEIN, and 
with 
Something 
was an escalation from things 
had 
would pleasure him 
hurt; it was 
of them. 
There was 
was going 
"not anything major" but it was different than what 
It made 
It 
no warning and 
was not expecting it. 
to be talking to EPSTEIN to thank him. 
something 
went to get 
wanted to thank 
room was 
happened with the four 
experience before. 
feel really disgusting. 
felt like 
described EPSTEIN as "someone I had looked up to a 
she did not know why. The experience was a bit of a blu 
really dark and surreal. 
recalled a single bed o 
similar. There was also a bedside table and a window. 
seeing skin with everyone having their tops off. There 
touching. 
thought she 
described it as 
had experienced. 
she was nothing. 
nd respected" but 
r to 
r something 
recalled 
was a lot of 
It was 
MAXWELL called her and told her 
to come over the following afternoon; EPSTEIN would have been leaving the 
morning after that. EPSTEIN called 
up saying he was going to have a 
had met EPSTEIN. MAXWELL 
nap. This would have been the third time 
went out and 
was going to rub EPSTEIN's foot before he went to 
sleep. 
was either rubbing his feet or sitting next to him. 
Suddenly, EPSTEIN was just pleasuring himself. 
it was before or after he was pleasuring himself that he patted the bed. 
just remembered following instructions. It was an out of body 
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