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UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT 
SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF FLORIDA 
IN RE: OPERATION LEAP YEAR 
Federal Grand Jury, 07-103 
West Palm Beach, Florida 
February 27, 2007 
APPEARANCES: 
ANN MARIE VILLAPANA, ESQUIRE 
Assistant United States Attorney 
JOSETTE JONES-PARSONS, Foreperson 
TESTIMONY 
OF 
E. NESBITT ICUIRRENDALL 
ORIGINAL 
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The sworn testimony of E. 
was taken before the Federal Grand Jury, West Palm 
Beach Division, West Palm Beach, Palm Beach County, 
State of Florida, on the 27th day of February, 2007. 
Philip W. May, Court Reporter, was authorized to 
and did report the sworn testimony. 
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(The witness entered the grand jury room.) 
E. 
having been duly sworn by the grand jury foreperson, 
was examined and testified on her oath as folloWs: 
EXAMINATION 
BY MS. 
Q 
Good morning, special agent 
you restate and spell your name for the record. 
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It's E. 
. Could 
Q 
Can you remind the grand jury who you are 
employed by? 
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The FBI. 
Q 
I know that you testified here a few weeks ago. 
Was there anything from that testimony that you wanted to 
correct? 
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I did. I was asked by one of you Mr. Epstein's 
age, and I confused him with another individual in another 
one of my cases. HiS birthdate is January 20, 1953. We 
are looking at the time period of 2004 and 2005. So 
Mr. Epstein would have been about 51 or 52-years-old, and 
I believe I told you he was 45. So at the time we're 
looking during this investigation, he is 51 or 52. 
Q 
Agent 
, how did this case first come 
to the attention of the police? 
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In March of 2005, 
., our youngest 
identified victim -- her stepmother called the Palm Beach 
police department and reported that she believed that her 
stepdaughter had been molested by a male that resided in 
the town of Palm Beach. 
Q 
So today we are going to talk about 
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Yes. 
Q 
And we are using her initial to protect her 
identity, correct? 
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Yes. 
Q 
Can you tell the grand jury 
date of 
birth? 
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birthday is 
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And you mentioned that the call came in from 
stepmother in March of 2005, correct? 
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Yes. 
Q 
So how old was 
at that time? 
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She was 14. 
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Where does 
live? 
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lives in the Loxahatchee-Royal Palm Beach 
area here in Palm Beach County. 
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At the time, in 2005, what school was she 
attending? 
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Royal Palm Beach High School. 
Q. 
what year was she in school? 
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She was a ninth-grader there. 
Q 
You mentioned that her stepmother called the 
Palm Beach police department. What did the police 
department do in response to that call? 
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They wanted to interview 
the next day they went out to where 
was attending 
I believe it was 
school at that time, which I think was High Ridge. They 
interviewed 
at High Ridge and wanted to get her side 
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of what took place. 
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Because we'll be referring to this throughout, 
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what was the name of the detective who conducted that 
first interview? 
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Detective 
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So in March of 2005, detective 
talked with 
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ever interviewed at any other times? 
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Yes. She was interviewed -- they talked to her 
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again. She placed some controlled calls for them later 
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that month, we will talk about that later. As well as 
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she was interviewed about a year later in July of 2006. 
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Not interviewed, but she testified before the grand jury 
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for the State of Florida. So she was interviewed by 
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detective 
in March of 2005, and then about a year or .
three or four months later, in July of 2006, she testified 
before a grand jury with the State of Florida. 
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In preparation for your appearance today, did 
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you have a chance to interview 
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Yes. 
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Saturday, and 
was at 
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was there with her boyfriend, 
And because these 
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are minors, we'll refer to them without using their last 
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names, so i'll use those initials. 
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were all at 
house, and 
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is on the phone with the assistant for Jeffrey 
They were at 
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Yes, I did. 
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And when was that? 
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Last night. 
Q 
Back in March of 2005, you mentioned that 
detective 
met with 
on or more than one 
occasion? 
Q 
If you could give us sort of an overview of what 
reported during these interviews, and then if there 
are specific discrepancies or differences, we will return 
to those later. 
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All right. On February 5, 2005, it was a 
house, 
. She 
residence, and 
. is 
boyfriend, which is also 
cousin. So they 
was on the phone with 
an individual that 
refers to as the assistant. 
described the assistant as a tall blonde. 
So throughout I'll refer to her as the blonde lady, if 
that's okay. 
was unable to recall her name. So 
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Epstein. 
describing 
the phone. So when 
and 
overhear 
on the phone 
describing 
to the lady on 
gets off the phone, 
and 
both want to know why 
was being described to 
this lady on the phone. 
becomes upset when 
asks 
if she would like to go to Palm Beach and give a 
man'a massage that she knows. 
agrees, and this 
upsets 
and an argument ensues where 
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go into the bathroom and they argue outside the presence 
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of 
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Let me stop you there. Was 
supposed to be 
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paid for giving this massage? 
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Yes. 
told 
that she would be paid 
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$200 or $300, I believe. 
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You mentioned that 
is 
boyfriend, and 
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cousin, correct? 
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Yes. 
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What was 
idea about why they were 
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arguing? 
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She has told us that she believed that 
must 
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have known what 
was doing for this man and the work 
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that 
did for Mr. Epstein, and that is why 
was 
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so upset. 
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So 
knew that this wasn't just a regular 
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massage that was going to take place? 
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Yes. 
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So 
and 
have this argument. What does 
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decide to do? 
decides to go. 
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Because she wanted to make the $200 or $300? 
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Yes. 
So tell us then what happened after that 
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meeting? 
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The next day, February 6 -- they discussed that 
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evening about going the next day. We do have on 
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phone records two calls that were placed. One was placed 
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to 
cell phone, and the other was placed to 
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Jeffrey Epstein's residence the night of February 5. 
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The next day 
is contacted .a couple of times 
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before 
arrives. Each time prior to 
being 
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contacted by 
, a call is placed by 
to 
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cell phone. 
, I should tell you, is 
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Jeffrey's assistant. 
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So on Sunday a call was placed to 
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and then shortly after that a call was made to 
That 
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same series occurs again, but this time 
places a 
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call to Mr. Epstein's residence, and then 
is called 
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again. 
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comes to 
residence with 
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another girl in the car, 
. So the two of them 
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arrive at 
residence, and they continue over to 
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Mr. Epstein's house. 
is driving- with 
and 
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know how they were sitting? 
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You know, I'm not sure how they were sitting, 
but I know that it was a pickup truck that 
drove, 
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was the driver. I'm not sure exactly the 
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placement of the other two girls, but they were in the 
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truck. 
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And 
was able to describe how they travelled 
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to the island of Palm Beach? 
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Yes. She gave directions -- you know, the best 
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that she could on how she was able to come to 
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Mr. Epstein's residence. 
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once they arrived at the residence, what 
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happened? 
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I should have mentioned that either the night 
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before or the day of, there were some things that 
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tells 
. One, she tells 
that she is to tell, if 
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asked, that she is 18-years-of-age, that she attends high 
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school, that she'S in the 12th grade, and I believe it was 
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Wellington High School that she was to say that she went 
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to. 
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Talking to 
last night, 
told us that 
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once she arrived at the residence 
tells her that she 
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may possibly be asked to take her clothes off. She also 
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tells her that she can stay in her bra, but she may be 
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asked to take her clothes off. And 
told us last 
night that that's when she knew for the first time that 
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she might have to possibly remove her clothes. 
At this point they proceed to enter the 
residence. 
describes him as a security person. He 
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approached and asked what they were doing there, and 
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said they were there to see Mr. Epstein, or see Jeffrey. 
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He allowed them entry into the kitchen area by the pool, 
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describes that area. So now 
and 
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are all sitting in the kitchen. A short time goes 
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by and Hr. Epstein, as well as the assistant, enter the 
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kitchen. 
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And I know that you mentioned that 
did not 
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know the name of the lady who was there in the kitchen, 
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correct? 
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Right. 
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She just described her as a blonde, tall lady? 
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Yes. 
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Was 
also interviewed about what happened' 
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that day? 
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She was interviewed by the Palm Beach police 
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Did 
identify the person who was on the 
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phone with her as 
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Yes, she did. 
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So even though 
doesn't know her name, 
knew 
name? 
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Yes. 
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So you mentioned that the three girls are in the 
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kitchen, along with Jeffrey and the person 
calls the 
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blonde lady? 
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Yes. 
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What happened then? 
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follows the blonde lady upstairs to 
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Mr. Epstein's bedroom. The blonde lady proceeds to take 
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out a massage table and set it up, prepare it. She also 
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takes out some lotions to be used during the massage. 
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told me last night that the blonde lady asked her to 
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remove her clothing, and then left the room and said that 
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Mr. Epstein would be in shortly. 
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What happened after she left the room? 
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Shortly after that, Mr. Epstein does come into 
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hand. 
told us last night 
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that Mr. Epstein told her to remove her clothing. He 
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leaves the room and comes back in just a towel, and he 
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tells her again to -- she is at that point -- when he 
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walked in the first time she had on her bra and her pants. 
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when he comes back in, he tells her that she needs to take 
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her pants off. So she took her pants off. So now she's 
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in her bra and underwear. 
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At some point did 
tell any of the people 
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who interviewed her what was running through her mind? 
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She stated at one point that she was upstairs 
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with him, with the man, and that 
was downstairs. I 
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guess she says, "What could 
do? She's downstairs, 
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I'm upstairs." So she did what she was asked to do. 
to 
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So now you mention that Mr. Epstein is here 
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wearing just a towel, and 
has removed both her shirt 
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and her pants, is that correct? 
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Yes. 
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Tell us what happens then? 
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MS. Epstein gets on the massage table lying on 
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his stomach and instructs 
how to do the massage. He 
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tells her to put some lotion on her hand and instructs her 
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on how to actually perform the massage. At one point 
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during the massage he tells 
that she would be more 
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comfortable to get on top of him, so 
gets on top of 
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him and straddles Mr. Epstein's back. 
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describes it is Mr. Epstein is 
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laying on the table, he has a. towel covering his bottom, 
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and she is straddling him with her bottom touching the 
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but he had a towel across his bottom. 
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What happens as she is providing the massage to 
his back? 
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The massage goes on. She said the entire 
massage lasted anywhere from 30 to 45 minutes. At one 
point Mr. Epstein excuses himself for a few minutes, one 
or two minutes briefly. 
states that she can hear 
Mr. Epstein moaning or groaning, and states that she 
believes he was, in her words, •wacking off• or 
masturbating. She didn't say masturbating, she said 
"wacking off.• i am going to use that she believes he was 
masturbating. 
Then he returns. At this point he gets back on 
the table lying on his back and asks her to start 
. So she 
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Does he keep the towel on? 
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No, at this point the towel is removed. when he 
comes back and he gets back on the table, the towel is 
removed and she is 
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What does he do as she is 
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He moves his hand up and down his penis. So he 
continued to masturbate on the table. He asked 
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some point during this time, if she would like to make an 
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extra $100. He tells her that it would not involve doing 
a massage. 
agrees. He asked her if he could use a 
vibrator on her, and she does agree. 
describes it as 
, and she 
said this goes on for about ten minutes. 
At some point during that massage the vibrator 
is not used anymore and 
takes place. 
describes him as 
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What did she say happened when Mr. Epstein 
her? 
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The vibrator 
. At some point he doeS 
And these are her words. She 
looks at him kind of funny, and he sarcastically -- which 
is her word -- he sarcastically says, "What's the matter?" 
And she at that point just kind of looks away, and he 
continues on with the 
. in the last 
three to four minutes of that, he begins to masturbate 
again. 
At the conclusion of the sexual activity, 
Mr. Epstein wipes his penis off with a towel. 
Was 
asked if he ejaculated. She did not see him ejaculate, 
but saw him wipe his penis off with a towel. 
Q 
Was 
able to provide a physical description 
of Mr. Epstein? 
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Yes. 
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Including of his penis? 
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Yes. 
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Was she also able to provide a description of 
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her surroundings in that massage area? 
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perform a search, and several of the items that were 
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concluded, the sexual activity had been concluded. He 
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gets up and leaves for a brief moment of time and comes 
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Yes. 
Q 
was that description accurate? 
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Yes. According to other testimony we have 
gotten from other victims, yes. 
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And a search was performed on Mr. Epstein's 
house? 
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Yes. The Palm Beach police department did 
described were found in the house. 
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After Mr. Epstein wiped himself off, what 
happened? 
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He told 
that she was getting the extra 
hundred dollars because he was allowed to use the vibrator 
on her and had 
. The massage had been 
back with $300 and pays 
the $300. I believe he told 
that she could see herself out. 
Q 
Before we leave that room, when' 
was dither 
being directed to the room or was inside that room where 
the massage took place, was there anything in particular 
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that she noted seeing? 
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She noted seeing several naked pictures of girls 
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in the room, a mural or pictures of naked girls either 
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exposing their breasts or completely naked. 
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While the massage was going on, did Mr. Epstein 
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talk to 
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Yes, he did. 
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And did he talk about sexual conquests with 
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girls? 
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Yes, he did. 
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Once Mr. Epstein has provided 
with the 
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$300, what did she do? 
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She went back downstairs and she, 
and 
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leave the residence. In the car they ask 
how 
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much money she has made, and she tells them $300. 
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wants to see the money. She shows the money to 
and 
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asks what did she do. At that point 
tells her 
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that he 
, as well as 
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When they left the house, where did they go? 
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When they left the house, they were on their way 
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to a mall to go shopping with the money that they had 
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received from Mr. Epstein. 
had told 
the night 
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before that she needed some shoes and wanted to go to the 
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mall, and she was going to Mr. Epstein's to pick up some 
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money. That was another reason that she had for going to 
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Mr. Epstein's house that day, and that they were going to 
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go shopping after she got her money, and that 
could 
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make some money. 
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During that ride, did 
realize that 
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received money from Mr. Epstein? 
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Yes. At some point 
knows that 
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received $200, but is unsure that 
ever gave a 
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massage. So at that particular time 
did not know why 
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she had gotten the $200, because she didn't think that 
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had had time to give a massage. 
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In 
interview, did she explain what she 
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got the $200 for? 
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told the Palm Beach police department in 
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her interview that she received her $200 for bringing 
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to the house. 
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You mentioned that there were these three 
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different time periods that 
was interviewed: Shortly 
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after the events, at the time of the state grand jury 
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proceedings, and when you met with her, correct? 
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Yes. 
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And there were some discrepancies between the 
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different interviews. Can you explain some of those to.
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the grand jury. 
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Before we go and get 'to that, I want to make 
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sure that -- when we discussed what 
we.s. told in the 
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car by 
, that we learned from 
interview with 
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the Palm Beach police department. So I don't know if I 
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said that, but I want to make sure you know that we first 
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learned that 
had been 
by listening to the 
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interview that was conducted between the Palm Beach police 
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department and 
, not from 
When I talk later, I 
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just want to make sure you realize that that had not 
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initially come out in 
interview, but through the 
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interview with 
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So going back. III sorry, discrepancies? 
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Yes. 
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I met with 
last night to discuss some of 
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the discrepancies when looking at what she had talked to 
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detective 
about in March of 2005 and what she had 
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testified to in the grand jury in July of 2006. Reading 
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the testimony and listening to the tapes, or reading the 
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transcript, there were a few discrepancies. 
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One of the first ones we talked about was what 
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had told her about going to Mr. Epstein's house. 
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She tells detective 
that she was told about the 
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massage, told about getting 5200, but that she was not 
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told that she would have to take her clothes off. She 
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didn't know she would have to perform the massage naked. 
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When I asked her last night that question, she 
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told me that when she got to the house prior to going into 
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Mr. Epstein's residence, that 
did tell her that she 
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may be asked to take off her clothes. She also did state 
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that 
told her she could stay in her bra. 
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So I wanted you to know that there was a 
discrepancy in what she originally had told detective 
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and what she told me last night. That would be one. 
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The second discrepancy I wanted to touch on with 
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her was going upstairs and taking off her clothing. When 
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she is in that room, she states to detective 
that 
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asked her to remove her clothing, and she took off 
her shirt. Then Mr. Epstein came in the room, shook her 
hand and told her to take off her clothes. He leaves, he 
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comes back in a towel. He tells her again. 
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detective 
tells 
in a stern voice, "Mr. Epstein told me to 
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take off my pants.• Because she hadn't taken off her 
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pants from the first time that she met him. 
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In her testimony with the grand jury with the 
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state, she tells the grand jury that it was 
who 
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asked her to remove her clothing. So last night we went 
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over with her who told her to remove what. She had a very 
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hard time recalling exactly. She knew she had gotten down 
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to her bra and underwear. And then at some point, when 
we're going through the sexual activity, she actually 
tells me that her underwear was off when he was 
her. 
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Later in the interview, we tell her about what 
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we have in her testimony to the grand jury and her 
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statements made to detective 
And she really is 
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having a difficult time trying to remember who told her to 
take off her clothes and her pants. As we are walking 
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through the sexual activity, she does recall and states. 
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that it was Mr. Epstein who told her to take off her 
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pants. 
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I guess I'll go to the third discrepancy. Is 
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there anything I left off with that? 
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Well, does she report that when the assistant 
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leads -- or the blonde lady leads her upstairs, that the 
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blonde lady also said, "Get undressed," but that 
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didn't get fully undressed? 
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That's what she said in her statement to the 
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detective, when she gives her first statement. She tells 
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us again last night that that's what she recalled. 
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Q 
That the lady said first, "Get undressed," but 
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she doesn't get fully undressed. And when Jeffrey comes 
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back, he said, "Take your pants off."? 
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Yes. And again, like I said, when we started 
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interviewing her and asking her about this, she did have a 
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hard time. But when we were walking through the sexual 
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activity, that's when she recalls who told her to take off 
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her pants. 
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