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FBI VOL00009
EFTA01110326
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Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 157 1 A. Okay. 2 O. And I'm just asking you if you did have 3 knowledge that Jeffrey Epstein was having sex with 4 little girls either on the plane or at a place that you 5 were taking him to or from on a daily basis, that's what 6 he did, would you have continued to be his pilot? MR. CRITTON: Let me object. Object to the a form. Its argumentative. It has no more value 9 than assuming ho was chopping up bodies or anybody to was chopping up bodies in the plane you're flying. 11 What difference does il make? Form. 12 MR. EDWARDS: What difference does it make in 13 a case about him having sex with little girls? I'm 14 not going to argue with you about it. You've 15 stated your objection. 16 MR. CRITTON: Exactly. tt's an argumentative 17 question. 18 MR. EDWARDS: I'm not going to argue with you 19 about IL 20 MR. CRITTON: You're arguing with him about 21 now. 22 MR. EDWARDS: No. I'm asking him the 23 hypothetical. 24 BY MR. EDWARDS: 25 Q. Can you answer that? Would you have continued 159 1 THE WITNESS: Never heard of such a thing. 2 BY MR. EDWARDS: 3 Q. Do you know of any friends that he has in 4 France that would send him birthday -- a birthday 5 present? 6 A. No. 7 0. Do you know of him receiving any birthday 8 gifts or birthday people from anyone? 9 A. Never. 10 0. This particular person that filed this 11 complaint, Jane Doe 102, indicates 'Defendant and 12 Ghislaine Maxwell acknowledged and celebrated 13 plaintNf's 16th birthday." 14 Do you remember them celebrating somebody who Is you flew on the airplane's 16th birthday? 16 A. I don't recall. 17 0. Any of this jog your memory as to who 18 is? 19 A. No. 20 0. "From the age of 15, plaintiff' -- this Jane 21 Doe 102 —'was sexually exploited and abused by 22 defendant on a daily basis and often multiple times each 23 day.' 24 So going back, was there ever a day where you 25 were with Jeffrey Epstein where you could observe him 158 1 to be a pilot for somebody who's traveling to and Irom 2 destinations with the goal of having sex with underage 3 girls? 4 MR. CRITTON: Form. 5 THE WITNESS: It could be any person. It 6 doesn't have to be Jeffrey Epstein, then, right? 7 BY MR. EDWARDS: 8 0. True. 9 A. No, I wouldn't pilot an airplane If there was 10 wrongdoing going on. 11 0. That you knew about? 12 A. That I knew you about, sure. 13 0. Me reading this complaint to you, is this the 14 first time you've heard these allegations — 15 A. Yes. 16 Q. — against Mr. Epstein? 17 A. Yes. 18 0. It goes on to say, 'On one of Epsteln's 19 birthdays, a friend of Epstein sent him three 20 12-year-old girls from France who spoke no English for 21 the purpose of -- for defendant to sexually exploit and 22 abuse. After doing so, they were sent back to France 23 the next day.' 24 Are you familiar with that occasion? 25 MR. CRITTON: Form. 160 1 and during an entire day? 2 MR. CRITTON: Form. 3 THE WITNESS: I don't remember 4 IMS so I couldn't answer the question. 5 BY MR. EDWARDS: 6 0. "In September 2002, Defendant Epstein purchased a commercial round-trip airline ticket and s provided a passport, U.S. currency and accommodations 9 for plaintiff to fly to Thailand.' 10 Do you remember him doing that for anybody 11 around that time period? 12 A. No, sir. 13 MR. CRITTON: What was the date? 14 MR. EDWARDS: September 2002. Is MR. CRITTON: Okay, thanks. 16 MR. EDWARDS: I have here and this is 17 actually my only copy, so I don't mind marking it 18 as a composite exhibit, but well either have to 19 copy this while thing or well have an agreement of 20 counsel. It's the visitor ElMale log from when 21 Mr. Epstein was in jail in Palm Beach. 22 MR. CRITTON: Well, before we get started, it 23 IS now 1:15. We started al 10:00. 24 MR. EDWARDS: We didn't really start at 10:0D 25 MR. CRITTON: Shortly thereafter. I was hem ESQUIRE nAhrndn4dOl..”DY Toll Free: 866.709.8777 Facsimile: 561.394.2621 Suite 600 4440 PGA Boulevard Palm Beach Gardens, FL 33410 www.esqulresdutlons.com EFTA01110366
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Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 161 1 pretty much after 10. But we've been hero since 2 10:00. I want to take a lunch break. 3 MR. EDWARDS: Let's do It. 4 MR. CRITTON: For an hour? s MR. EDWARDS: Sure. 6 (A break was had at 1:15p.m.) BY MR. EDWARDS: O. Ail fight. I looked through the inmate log of 9 the visitors who visited Jeffrey Epstein and your name 10 appears one, two, three. tour, five, six, seven, eight 11 times. 12 A. Okay. 13 O. Seem to be accurate in terms of how many times 14 you wen! to visit him? 15 A. I thought six, but yes, theta.. 16 O. I'll let you review the records and tell me if 17 you dispute any of that record. And I'll go ahead and 18 mark that as Composite Exhibit 5. 19 (Plaintiffs Exhbit No. 5 was marked for 20 Identification.) 21 MR. REINHART: It's two pages. 22 MR. EDWARDS: Two pages. 23 MR. REINHART: Okay. 24 BY MR. EDWARDS: 25 O. Seen accurate? 163 1 just talked about general happenings that go on in 2 there. 3 O. What did he say? 4 A. It's terrible: it's cold: he can't sleep. 5 They wake him up every two hours. You know, just items 6 like that, uncomfortable things. We talked about the 7 airplanes a great deal. You know, we got major 8 maintenance on the big airplane, so we discussed that a 9 little bit. And then it was realty just how 10 uncomfortable he was there. 11 O. How long did you visit with him on that first 12 visit, July 3rd? 13 A. I think we stayed the full hour. 14 O. All right. Is that what the time allotment 15 was? 16 A. I believe it is, yeah. 1 don't think you 17 could leave earty, or rm not aware that you could lea've 18 early, until later on we found out you could stay for 19 five minutes or longer. But I don't think any of us 20 knew that was - once you got in there, you stayed there 21 for the hour. 22 O. Okay. So you talked to him for an hour and 23 for the most part it was just about the conditions and 24 his disappointment with the conditions? 25 A. Sure, yeah, absolutely. 162 1 A. Yes. 2 O. Okay. Jeffrey Epstein's plea. I believe, was 3 June 30th, 2008. I Mink that's when he was taken in 4 custody from them. Your first visit Is July 3rd, 2008. 5 And the other name on that visit is Igor Zinoviev. Did 6 you go with Igor to visit Jeffrey Epstein? 7 A. Yes. 8 O. Why did you go with Igor? 9 A. It just happened he wanted to see us both at 10 the same time. There was no apparent reason. 11 O. How did you know that Jeffrey wanted to see 12 you? 13 A. I don't recall who called and told me that he 14 wanted to see me. I couldn't give you an accurate name, 15 whether II was, you know, his attorney, Darren. And 16 actually, I would put a lot weight to I think it was 17 Darren. his attorney. 18 O. That would have made a phone cal to you that 19 said - 20 A. Yeah, to go. 21 O. And what rid you talk about with Jeffrey 22 Epstein four days after he pled guilty to offenses that 23 landed him n jai? 24 A. I think the first visit was how (*appointed 25 or how scared he was, you know, being inside there. we 164 2 O. And did Igor talk to him as welt? 2 A. Briefly. I mean, not that much. You're going 3 back a tittle ways again to remember exactly what was 4 discussed. You know, he asked how his family was doing. 5 I guess Igor& got a son. I think he asked how his son 6 was doing. You know, just general questions like that O. Did you Ode to the jail that day with Igor? 8 A. I believe we did. I believe I met Igor 9 probably at Jeffreys house and picked him up, or if 10 not, we may have met at the airport and drove together. 11 But we did drive together on that occasion. 12 O. In what vehicle dId you dnve? 13 A. The Hummer. 14 Q. That's the vehicle you described earlier as 15 the company vehicle? 16 A. Yes, sir. 17 O. Is that a vehicle paid for by Jeffrey Epstein? is A. Meaning? 19 a Wet is that a vehicle pail for by you? 20 A. What do you mean 'paid for"? 21 O. Did you purchase the vehicle with your money? 22 A. I didn't purchase that one, no. 23 O. Do you know II it was purchased by Jeffrey 24 Epstein or a corporation of Jeffrey Epstein's? 25 A. Probabty a corporation. ESQUIRE AlenaJoi .U. tr pan) Toll Free: 866.709.8777 Facsimile: 561.394.2621 Suite 600 4440 PGA Boulevard Palm Beach Gardens, Ft. 33410 www.esquiresdutlons.com EFTA01110367
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Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 165 MR. CRITTON: Form; move to share. Sounds 2 like a guess. 3 BY MR. EDWARDS: 4 0. To the best of your knowledge, that's how most 5 of the items that you've discussed -- that being the 6 Seeing and the Oullstream -- they were usually held In 7 corporate names, to your knowledge? a A. To my knowledge, exactly, yes. 9 0. And so when you're saying the -- when you're 10 talking about the Hummer vehicle and you're stating that 13 its likely a corporate entity, is that just something 12 that you're guessing about, or do you have knowledge? 13 A. No, I'm just guessing. 14 0. Okay. 15 A. I have no proof 36 0. -• Olownership of who as registered to or 17 anything like that? 18 A. Exactly. 19 Q. IS it registered to you? 20 A. No. no. 21 0. So it's registered to somebody other than you? 22 A. Exactly. 23 0. Okay. 24 A. I just drive It, I guess. 25 0. Okay. So on July 5th, 2008, you go back to 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 22 13 14 25 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 167 facility that was holding Jeffrey Epstein, they're accurate, your name is the first one listed on the top of the sheer A. Right. There may have been earlier dates. I have no idea. 0. Well, you know, the first date that he could have been in there it looks like was 7/1/08 and then, you know, so I guess somebody could have seen him 7/1 or 7/2, but those records were never provided to us. You see we were provided a whole big stack. A. I understand. O. The next date rm going to talk to you about is 7/12008. A. Uh-huh. 0. It looks, again. Ito it's yourself and Igor Zmoviev? A. Mmhmm. 0. And that's something we talked about in this deposition. I'm going b ask you again. I don't know that you elaborated last time, what le your understanding of his relationship with Jeffrey Epstein", Is that a Mend of his? A. I don't know Ms lob Oescrotion. I mean. he's somebody that's around a lot. but i don't know his exact gob description. His English is, to say, not 166 I see him In jail again, and again. Igor Zinoviev is 2 listed as a visitor. Did you go with him together on I that occasion? A. I didn't even realize it was two days after E.. the first visit. 6 Q. Well, I mean, you see where this is going? A. Yeah, I do. It gets further apart, yeah. O. Do you remember what the discussion was on 9 7/5/08? 10 A. No, because it's probably similar to the first 11 one. I mean, we talked — actually, one of the visits 12 we talked about fishing and just hying to — you know, 13 we were talking about things that would just occupy his 14 mind with intelligent conversation that he probably 15 wasn't getting there. So for that hour of the day, I 16 tried to give my best of intelligent conversation to 17 him. 18 0. Okay. On his visitor log you were the first 19 one to go visit him. Did you know that? 20 A. I did not know that. I wasn't aware of that. 21 MR. CRITTON: Let me just object to form to 22 the last question. 23 BY MR. EDWARDS: 24 Q. Weil, at least if these records are accurate, 25 which are the records that were provided to us by the 168 1 100 percent, so conversation with somebody that doesn't 2 fully understand you, you know, you get lost in 3 translation a little bit. So I don't -- 4 0. So on these three visits to the jail, the s first three that we're talking about that we've talked 6 about so far. each of those times you traveled to arc 7 from the jail with Igor? 8 A. Mm-hmm. 9 Q. Yes? 10 A. Yes, yes. 11 0. And each of those time, is it fair to say you 12 had some kxm d communication either on the way to the 13 jail or — 14 A. Sure. 15 0. to the jail? 16 A. Yeah. 17 0. Since you're going to see an inmate in the 18 jail, is it a safe assumption a portion of that 19 conversation was about the person that you're going to 20 see and possibly the crime that was committed? 21 A. Yes, that would be a good assumption. 22 0. Okay. And what was the form what was the 23 substance of that conversation that you can remember 24 related to Jeffrey Epstein and the location you were 25 going to visit him? ESQUIRE • • A Feta240 (.110 CO.HOY Toll Free: 866.709.8777 Facsimile: 561.394.2621 Suite 600 4440 PGA Boulevard Palm Beach Gardens, FL 33410 www.esquiresolutions.com EFTA01110368
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Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 169 A. I think Igor and I discussed on trying to be 2 upbeat and not look at the position that he's in sitting across the table from us, to be upbeat and uplift his spirits. Q. Did you and Igor discuss whether or not you 6 were going to talk to him about his plea of guilty a 7 the fact that he's not registered as a sex offender? 6 A. No. 9 0. Or whether you were going to stay away from 10 those topics? 11 MR. CRITTON: Form. 12 THE WITNESS: We never we don't discuss 13 that amongst ourselves and/or with Jeffrey in any 14 way, loan. 15 BY MR. EDWARDS: 16 0. Okay. But that's not — I realize you didn't 17 discuss that. You've told me that. 18 A. Right, but we didn't discuss that oven prior 19 to going in, as you asked. 20 0. Okay. So your discussion was mainly hey, 21 let's be upbeat? 22 A. Yes. 23 0. And that was to, in essence, maintain his 24 spirits or raise his spirits? 25 A. Exactly. 171 1 a And in the course of that conversance. again. 2 the allegations and the unusual call it case 3 against him. that didn't come up between you and 4 Mt Epstein' A. I never talked about it with him. 4 O. And at that point In time, what were you aware 7 of in terms of the number of girls that he was alleged 8 to have had sexual some sort of sexual retanorehe , with him at his Palm Beach house? 10 A. What was the question? How many girls? 11 O. Yeah, how many girls were you — 12 A. Aware of? 13 0. -- aware of? 14 A. None. I wasn't aware of any, to be honest. 15 O. The next eat is on 7/17/08 and Ws Igor 16 Znoviev and somebody named Jean Rene and then yourself. 17 Do you know who Jean Rene Is? 18 A. No. 19 0. Do you think that that visit. that you visited 20 hkn at the same time that Jean Rene visited? 21 MR. CARTON: What's the date? 22 MR. EDWARDS: It's 7/17108. 23 THE WITNESS: No. I don't know a Joan Rene, 24 unless somebody came after. I mean, I don't -- I 25 don't know a Jean Rene. 170 1 0. Okay. And you were doing that as a friend of 2 his, not just his pilot, right? A. I felt honored that he asked me to come and 4 give support like that. because prior to him going away, it was known to us that there was going to be no 6 visitors, because I had offered to him that I would be 7 happy to come and visit him if he deemed It necessary, 8 and he says no. I'm not going to have anybody. 9 O. So 1 0 A. I guess it was so bad there, that he may have 11 changed his mind and wanted to have some visitors. 12 Q. When did you have this conversation with him 13 where he indicated he was not going to have visitors 14 while he was in jail? 15 A. I don't exactly remember. It may have been on 16 the trip heading to Palm Beach, the last flight. 17 Q. From his island, from St. Thomas I guess It 18 would be from? 19 A. 'forgot where it started from. It might have 20 been New York or the island, one of the two. I don't 21 remember the last flight. 22 O. And I mean, old at least the fact come up that 23 hey, this a glamors who you're — Is going to be in hill 24 for some time? 25 A Mm-timm, yes. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 34 25 172 BY MR. EDWARDS: O. Okay. And then before you visited him again, the visitors are listed as or IOW A. Mm-hmm. 0. Manly those two individuals. And they list as addresses, as their residence? A. Uh-huh. 0. Given your previous testimony, does that surprise you that they list those that address as their residence? MR. CRITTON: Form. THE WITNESS: I've seen them there, so I mean. I'm not surprised. BY MR. EDWARDS: 0. Okay. Did you know that they were visiting Nth In jail? A. No, I di&'t know who was scheduled to see him or whatever. 0. Did Jeffrey talk to you at any point in time about A. No. not at all. MR. REINHART: Can we get a time frame for that? Ever? MR. EDWARDS: Oh, no, well, I was talking - ESQUIRE Toll Free: 866.709.8777 Facsimile: 561.394.2621 Suite 600 4440 PGA Boulevard Palm Beach Gardens, FL 33410 www.esquiresolutions.com EFTA01110369
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Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 273 1 I'm sorry. 2 BY MR. EDWARDS: 3 O. I was taking right now about in the 4 conversations that you had with him that we've discussed 5 with you and him in the jail faC' . Did he discuss 6 with yeti or 7 A. No. no. 8 0. Did he talk to you about whether or not you 9 should talk to anybody about his criminal investigatkit 10 or possible litigation? 11 A. No, not at aft 12 O. The next time you see him b on August 8th, 13 2008, at the jail. In that occasion It mentions as his 14 visitors that day and 35 Larry %/Gosh'. Did you go to the jail with and 16 IM that time? 17 A. No. Who was on there? Which one are you 18 referring to? 19 O. The next one, I tried to highhght them just 20 so that — 21 A. Right, that one. 22 MR. REINHART: 8/9. 23 BY MR. EDWARDS: 24 0. 8/9i08? 25 A. One of those two we all drove together. I 176 1 at the house. 2 O. Those are cars that Jeffrey Epstein owns, to 3 your knowledge? 4 A. I don't know who owns them. 5 O. What cars are there that -- I know with this 6 case we're dealing with a lot of corporations and Its 7 not like asking me, Hey, what car do you own? But what 8 cars are you aware that are -- that you believe are used 9 prImanly by Jeffrey Ereteln? 10 A. Used primarily by Jeffrey Epstein, a Mercedes 11 S500 sedan. I don't remember the year on that one. 12 O. Okay. 13 A. There's a Cadliao Escalade. 14 O. Okay. 15 A. Those are his two main cars that he would be 16 driven in or -- 1? O. What are the other cars that you reguiarty see 10 parked at his Palm Beach mansion, if there are any? 19 A. It would be a whole array. Half the time the 20 parking lot is full because of construction workers. 21 yards keepers. 22 O. Okay. Fair enough. What vehicle does 21 drive or-drive when they're down 24 here, you known 25 A. I mean, anybody has a choice to pick out a car 174 1 don't remember which one it was. II was ether the 8 or 2 the 16. and then the other ono I met everybody there. 3 So I can't be accurate on which erne we all drove 4 together. 5 O. How did you coordinate driving together? 6 A. I don't exactly remember now. I mean, I think 7 -and I may have conversed on the phone and said do a you want to meet at Jeffreys house and we all drive 9 together? Does a make sense to get together and drive 10 one car. 11 O. Is that jail visit the result ol Jeffrey 12 Epstein requesting your presence Mere, Of rs that the 13 result of you wanting to go see him as a friend in jail? 14 A. A combination of both. I'm sure if I said, 15 Hey, rd like to come to jail and veil you, that ho 16 would either say yea or nay. 17 O. Okay. And you saki at least on one of those 18 occasions you rode to and Irom the lad with =and 19 20 A. Yes. 21. O. And during any of obviously, when you're in 22 the car together — well, who's driving the car? 23 A. I was driving, I believe. 24 O. And that's the Hummer again? 25 A. Actually, I think we take one of the suburbans 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 $ 9 10 11 12 13 14 IS 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 176 or whatever there. I've seen driving a Mercedes convertible. O. Is that different than the Mercedes $500 sedan? A. Yes. I think it's different. O. When you say they have basically a choice of cars to drive - A. Well, there's cars in the lot there. O. Obviously, they can't get in one of the construction workers' cars? A. No. MR. REINHART: Let him finish his question. BY MR. EDWARDS: O. So that's kind of what I'm getting at. What other cars do you think that Jeffrey Epstein has -- whether it's titled. I don't know - 0. Right. O. but he is the person In control of that vehicle? A. Right. O. What other vehicles do you think he's controlling in Palm Beach? A. In Palm Beach? O. We've named the Mercedes S500 sedan, Cadillac Escalade? ESQUIRE gra manic. 010, Coars•r Toll Free: 866.709.8777 Facsimile: 561.394.2621 Suite 600 4440 PGA Boulevard Palm Beach Gardens, Fl. 33410 www.esquiresolutions.com EFTA01110370
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Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 177 1 A. Right. 2 0. And Eve identified a Mercedes convertible? 3 A. Right. 4 0. In addition to that. are there any others that • you're aware of? 6 A. That he's in control of? 7 Q. Yes. • A. No. 9 0. And does the conversation come up between 10 Mi ancin and yourself about the reason why 11 Jeffrey Epstein is In jail? 12 MR. REINHART: Can we get a time frame? 13 MR. EDWARDS: At any time. 14 BY MR. EDWARDS: 15 0. At any time have you ever had that exact 16 conversation ever come up? 17 A. No. we didn't talk about that among ourselves 143 really. 19 Q. And have you ever been told that= 20 provides the role of a sex slave to Jeffrey 21 Epstein? That's just her role in life? 22 MR. CARTON: Form. 23 MR. REINHART: That's just have you been told 24 that. 25 THE WITNESS: No. 179 he utilizes various people, schedulers, pilots. 2 handlers and other associates and co-conspirators 3 that have a similar mentality: that is, people that 4 do not agree with laws related to sex abuse and 5 abuse of children. And that's why this line of 6 questioning regarding whether or not this witness 7 has a motive or a bias or was involved in 8 conversations related to his motive or bias, to 9 continue to work for Jeffrey Epstein or believed 10 the same beliefs of Jeffrey Epstein, is at least 11 reasonably calculated to the lead the discovery of 12 admissible evidence, and that Is the argument at 13 least along those fines being made to the judge 14 regarding these questions. 15 MR. CRITTON: Can we talk for just one minulo'l 16 Because maybe — can I talk with — well, I know 17 can talk with Bruce. Let's Just take a break. 18 (A break was had al 2:45 p.m.) 19 MR. EDWARDS: We're be* on the record. Do 20 you have the same position? 21 MR. REINHART: Let me say this: He previously 22 said he would have never allowed anything on the 23 plane to be done elegaRy. II you want to ask If 24 he agrees with the law applied by the 25 legislature — do you agree the law passed by the 178 1 BY MR. EDWARDS: 2 0. Have you been led to believe that by anybody? A. No. a MR. CRITTON: Form. 5 BY MR. EDWARDS: 6 Q. Do you have any — based on your observations, 7 do you have any other opinion as to what rote she plays Es in Jeffrey Epstein's life, if any? 9 A. I don't have an opinion on what the role is. 10 0. Do you agree with the criminal statutes that 11 are in place to protect young children from sexual 12 predators? Do you agree with those statutes? 13 MR. CRITTON: Form. 14 MR. REINHART: IM going to direct him not to 15 answer the question. Its irrelevant and it's not 16 likely to lead to discoverable evidence what his 1? opinion is on a law Chars been passed by the 18 legislature of Florida. 19 MR, EDWARDS: Just so the record is dear, I 20 don't know that we did this last time, but It's 21 been alleged in the complaint k has been 22 alleged in several complaints that Jeffrey Epstein 23 panicularly prays on vulnerable disadvantaged 24 females, underage females, and that in order to 25 gain access to the multitude of underage females, 180 state of Florida should be complied with? 2 THE WITNESS: I don't know what the law is. 3 BY MR. EDWARDS: 4 0. Okay. The laws In place to protect children 5 under the age of 18 from being sexually touched, 6 fondled, molested by people over the age of 24, do you 7 agree with those laws? 8 A. Yes. 9 0. And you agree that persons who commit a 10 violation of those laws should be prosecuted? 11 A. Persons that do that. 12 MR. CRITTON: Form. 13 BY MR. EDWARDS: 14 0. Yes, persons that do that. 15 A. Persons that do that, absolutes/. 16 0. And if you were to receive confirmed what 17 you would perceive as confirmed information that Jeffrey 18 Epstein was one of those persona, would you continue to 19 be erriployed by or alongside of Jeffrey Epstein? 20 MR. CRITTON: Form; speculation. 21 THE WITNESS: You're pawning that there's 22 gut 23 BY MR. EDWARDS: 24 0. No. I'm saying, hypothetically, if you were 25 convinced that Jeffrey Epstein was guilty of those acts ESQUIRE .. A traten Gan* Cana) Toll Free: 866.709.8777 Facsimile: 561.394.2621 Suite 600 4440 PGA Boulevard Palm Beach Gardens, R. 33410 www.esquiresolutions.com EFTA01110371
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Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 181 which he pled guilty to 2 MR. CRITTON: Form. 3 MR. REINHART: Can we -- for purposes of your 4 hypothetical, what facts do you want him to assume 5 are true? You said the facts to which he pled 6 guilty, but the witness already said he doesn't know what he pled guilty to. He imows the charge 8 he doesn't know the facts. 9 BY MR. EDWARDS: 10 Q. Solicitation of prostitution of a minor, 11 somebody under the age of 18. 12 MR. EDWARDS: That's the charge, right. 13 solicitation of prostitution of a minor? 14 MR. CRITTON: No. I think you've got it 15 wrong. III object to the form. 16 MR. EDWARDS: Okay. 17 BY MR. EDWARDS: 18 O. Then well handle the question this way: If 19 you were to believe based on informati0n and evidence 20 that Mr. Epstein engaged in sex or some form of sex acts 21 with people of the age range of 12, 13, 14. 15 years 22 old, would you continue your employment with 23 Mr. Epstein? 24 MR. CRITTON: Form; speculation. 25 THE WITNESS: I would certainly be speculating 183 1 against him and the allegations contained within many of 2 these civil complaints on behalf of girls who were under 3 the age of 18? Is there any reason why you haven't 4 discussed that? 5 MR. REINHART; If that's based on 6 conversations you had with your lawyer, then don't 7 disclose what you and your lawyer talked about 8 BY MR. EDWARDS: 9 0. Correct. 10 A. I have not spoken to Jeffrey about any of 11 this, and it was my understanding that is illegal to 12 have conversation about this. So I've never presented 13 any questions to him reference this case or any others. 14 0. It was your understanding that it was illegal 15 to talk to Jeffrey Epstein about the allegations made 16 against Jeffrey Epstein? 17 A. Yes, or anything to do with the case. That's 18 why we never discussed any portions of it. 19 Q. Okay. So -- 20 A. I may be wrong In that assumption, but I 21 don't -- 22 Q. So the reason why you haven't discussed this 23 with Jeffrey Epstein is you believed it was illegal? 24 A. Correct, yes. 25 Q. Who led you to believe that it was illegal? 182 1 and I have to dleCuss ft with my wife long and 2 hard. I don't think I could give you a correct and 3 honest answer at this tine. 4 BY MR. EDWARDS: 5 0. Okay. Given the allegations that have been 6 made in this case, is this something that you have 7 discussed with anyone other than your attorney? 8 A. No. not really. Only from the fact that 9 drey're allegations and there's still a lot more work, 10 rm sure, to be discovered. 11 MR. CRITTON: Let me put on there, for the — 12 If this deposition is not typed -- and we request 13 it -- rd like at least this portion where 14 Mr. Edwards' last question back about five pages 15 worth, so just if you could mark it from ells 16 page back about five pages. 17 If nobody requests the deposition, rd just 18 like those five pages. 19 MR. EDWARDS: I'm going to request the 20 deposition, so... 21 MR. CRITTON: Okay. We'll mark this then, so 22 you could tell me where it is. approximately. 23 BY MR. EDWARDS: 24 0. Is there a reason why you have not discussed 25 with Jeffrey Epstein the allegations that have been made 1 2 3 4 5 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 184 MR. REINHART: Again, if it was a discussion you had with any lawyer, then you can just give a name, don't give a discussion of the conversation you had. THE WITNESS: It was my own assumption. I mean, just basic criminal knowledge of knowing you're not supposed to -- you know, it somebody's in trial or in a deposition or whatever, I don't -- I didn't think it was appropriate to discuss the matter with them. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. Okay. So the next two visits and I think the last two visits we'll talk about are on 9/6/2008. Actually, it looks like you visited him twice in one day; is that right? A. I don't think that's possible. I mean, that will show how accurate the court record is. There's no way. Q. You wouldn't have visited him twice in one day? A. No. I think there's only one visitation per day. 0. Okay. And It looks like the same visitors each time, except that it says for period three and then the next one's for period four. So there are two 0 ESQUIRE Toll Free: 866.709.8777 Facsimile: 561.394.2621 Suite 600 4440 PGA Boulevard Palm Beach Gardens, FL 33410 www.esquiresolutions.com EFTA01110372
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Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 10 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 185 different periods. Was there over a time when they 2 allowed you to stay for more than an hour? 3 A. No, not to my knowledge. 4 0. Okay. So again, it's and same questions: Did you ever ask them their involvement with Jeffrey Epstein? A. Absolutely not. 0. And again, what was the discussion with Jeffrey Epstein along with and A On the last visits, it was mainly airplane stuff and later on in the visitations, we were advised that you could leave early, so I would only stay for maybe 30 minutes and then, you know, Jeffrey would continue his conversations with them and then I would just wait outside. 0. Okay. A. So I would do my business with him talking about airplanes or whatever I had coming up and then exit. 0. And then why did you slop visiting him in jail after that September 6th, 2008, visit? A. I was never called back to visit. 0. Okay. Well, shortly after that then he was on work release? 187 telephone, how frequently would you talk to him? 2 A. How frequently during a given week? 3 0. Yeah. 4 A. More specific? 5 0. Sure. 5 A. Depends upon what's going on that week. 7 0. I mean. is it somebody you would talk to him 8 everyday? 9 A. No. 10 0. All right. Welt at that point in lime, he's 11 going from the jail to the Florida Science Foundation 12 and back, and It you're not going to see him In person, 13 and you're not corresponding by e-mail, then would you Is correspond by telephone, that either being you call him 15 or he called you? 16 A. Yes. 17 0. And, you know, in any oven week, what was the 1$ typical week like? I mean .- 19 A. Flow many times? 20 0. Yes. 21 A. Maybe once in a week, sometimes twite in a 22 day. I mean, it would vary. There was no routine. 23 0. And what would the conversation be? 24 ik Mostly we discussed audio and video, TVs, home 25 theaters. Its a niche of his and we're constantly 186 A. Well, that's true. 0. Right? A. Yeah. 0. So the next times you would have gone to see him would have been at the Florida Science Foundation, where we talked about earlier? A. I've seen him there, yes. 0. Okay. And in fact. I think you said you saw 9 Nm 20 or 30 limes -- 10 A. Sure. 11 0. over the last two years, last year and a 12 half or so? 13 A. Yes. 14 0. And how long would you stay each time at the 3.5 Florida Science Foundation and talc to him? 16 A. Like my original answer. ten, fifteen minutes. 17 0. Okay. And how frequently would you talk to 18 Jeffrey Epstein while he was at the Florida Science 19 Foundation? 20 MR. REINHART: I'm sony, you're talking in 21 person or al conversations? Because ho testified 22 he had phone conversations and personal visits. 23 BY MR. EDWARDS: 24 0. I was actually taking about phone 25 conversations. So when you would call him on the 188 1 looking at new items that are out there, you know. 2 what's the biggest LCD flat screen out there. 3 Q. Okay. And since he's been out of jail and on community control or house arrest or whatever it is, 5 where he's located at his home now, have you visited him 6 at his home? 7 A. I have been to the home. I haven't visited, but I have had work to do there. 9 0. And have you called him on the telephone lo there? 3.1 A. Once I think I've called the house. Normally 12 he calls me because its usually he needs me to do 13 something. 14 0. And what have those conversations been about is since he's been out of jail? 16 A. Let's put a stereo in the gym, lees put a TV 17 In the living room, let's put a bigger stereo in the is gym. let's put a bigger, bigger stereo in the gym, let 19 go redo what we've done. It's always audio. He's a 20 very audio file person. 21 0. Do you know of any other modifications that 22 he's made to the house at 358 El Bello since the time 23 that he went into jail? 24 MR. CRM-ON: Form; predicate. 25 THE WITNESS: Meaning? Be more specific. ESQUIRE anituada Odio Caspar Toll Free: 866.709.8777 Facsimile: 561.394.2621 Suite 600 4440 PGA Boulevard Palm Beach Gardens, FL 33410 www.esquiresolutions.com EFTA01110373
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Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 189 BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. Structural modifications, architectural modifications? A. Starting what date? O. June 30th, 2008. MR. REINHART: I think the question on the table was have you observed any structural changes a to the house at El Brillo since Mr. Epstein went to 9 jai? 10 THE WITNESS: Structural changes? 11 8Y MR. EDWARDS: 12 0. Structural, architectural, anything like that, 13 changeS to the house. to the interior of the house since 14 he went to Jail? 15 A. No. I mean, it you could be more specIfc. I 16 mean. you're talking furniture or? 17 Q. I've never been In the house, so I can't be 18 much more specific. Have you noticed any changes from 19 before he went to jail to after he went to jail, the 20 Inside of the house, that you could be specific about? 21 A. No, I can't be specific. 22 MR. REINHART: Can I talk to Mr. Visoski for a 23 second? 24 MR. EDWARDS: Sure. 25 (Off the record itscussion.) 191 1 A. No, I don't. Ifs not my airplane. 2 Q. We still don't know whose airplane it is yet. 3 The tine when you took Mr. Epstein to Miami in the last 4 month, do you know which attorney ho was going to sect? 5 A. No, I do not. 6 0. And do you know whether it was related to 7 civil cases or criminal cases or anything else? a A. No idea. 9 Q. Do you know where the location was in Miami 10 that he was going to? 11 A. No, I do not 12 Q. Other than yourself visiting Mr. Epstein at 13 the Florida Science Foundation, are you aware of any 14 other visitors, people that visited him? Is A. No, I'm not. Just whoever was there during my 16 visit. 17 O. Okay. Are you aware of a corporation named Is the Zoao Trust? 19 A. rve heard the name. 20 Q. And Is that something that you've heard 21 relative to your invoNement with Jeffrey Epstein? 22 A. Yes. I mean, I don't even remember where I 23 heard Zorro Trust. I have no definition of it, but I 24 know the name is out there. 25 0. Okay. Is that a company that you believe is 190 MR. REINHART: I think Mr. Visoski can expand on his previous answer. Why don't you expand. THE WITNESS: Can we go baCk to that one? BY MR. EDWARDS: 0. Sure. The question dealt with the structural architectural changes you're aware of. A. There has been a kitchen extension, but when :-: you asked the question, I was unaware of when that 9 actually took place. So to be accurately answering your 10 question, I know there's been a kitchen extension. I 11 don't exactly know when that transpired, but... 12 0. How do you know about the extension? How do 13 you know this happened? 14 A. I knew what the kitchen looked like before and 15 after the extension and I don't I thought it was 16 during the hurricane season when they actually did that 17 extertskm. 18 0. Who made you aware of it? 19 A. Nobody. I just walked in the kitchen and 20 noticed a bigger room than what it was. 22 Q. All right. Do you know who Marlin Nowack is? 22 A. No. 23 Q. Do you ever remember him being on your 24 airplane, or that name of somebody being on your 25 airplane? 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 20 11 12 23 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 192 affiliated or restated to Jeffrey Epstein in some way? A. I have no definition. I don't know who it is. 0. Do you know how you heard about it? A. I don't remember. That's going back in the early days of when Zorro existed. 0. Who was at the Florida Science Foundation when you would meet with Jeffrey Epstein on these meetings? A. would be there. 0. Anybody else? A. Story would be there on occasion. That's pretty much it. Q. And would they be in the same room with yourself and Jeffrey Epstein when you had conversations with hcm? A. No, not really. Not particularly. 0. They would just be at the location? A. Sure, yes. O. Anybody else that worked there or was affiliated wet, the Ronda Science Foundation that you know of? A. Not to my knowledge. I mean, I do my business and get in and get out Q. Can anybody other than Jeffrey Epstein have an office at the Florida Science Foundation? A. Not that I know of. ESQUIRE Toll Free: 866.709.8777 Facsimile: 561.394.2621 Suite 600 4440 PGA Boulevard Palm Beach Gardens, FL 33410 www.esquIresolutions.com EFTA01110374
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Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 193 1 0. All right. And were you deeded the properly 2 that we spoke about earlier on the New Mode° ranch? Is 3 that deeded to you? 4 A. Yes. Q. And has It been since back in, I think you 6 said 1998 or 1999 or whenever it was? 7 A. Yes. 0. Okay. And do you know — and did you build a 9 house on it then? 10 A. Yes, I did. 11 0. Okay. And that's a property that I think you 12 said you have a mortgage on It. that's a property that 13 you pay -- you mortgaged that property? 14 A. Yes. sir. Is 0. All right. And as well, the home you own 16 here, you have a mortgage on that properly as well? 17 A. That Is correct. 18 0. Alt right. Are you familiar with a vehicle. a 19 Chevy Suburban 1503. year 1999? 20 A. Do you have a color? 21 0. No. I can tell you the ;Ate. I could tell 22 you the VIN. Chevy Suburban -- Chevy Suburban 1500, 23 registered to Larry Vlsoski? 24 A. That would be mine. That's a while one, then. 25 0. Okay. When did you get it? 195 1 0. Well, we've just described this wide array of 2 cars that Jeffrey had for people to use -- 3 A. Well you sakl for him to use. 4 MR. CRITTON: Hold it. 5 BY MR. EDWARDS: 6 Q. Is there a reason why? MR. CRITTON: Wait. You guys are both talking 8 over one another. You need to let him wait and 9 finish his question because If I want to assert an 10 objection. neither one of you gives me a chance. 11 which may be the plan. Form. 12 MR. EDWARDS: Yeah, we have a conspiracy 13 against you. 14 MR. CRITTON: I knew it. I'll take that as an 15 admission. 16 BY MR. EDWARDS: 17 0. Is there any reason did Jeffrey say that he 1 e wanted that vehicle to use or to bo parked at his house? 19 A. No. 20 0. Then how did it come about that you started 21 parking that vehicle at his home? 22 A. I think the origination of that came when I 23 started using the Hummer, that the Suburban was parked 24 in my driveway and I wanted to get it out of my driveway 25 as an eyesore. So hence, I decided to let people at the c 5 9 1G 11 12 13 14 IS 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 194 A. rm guessing. It was probably two years old when I got it. Maybe '99. Maybe '01.'02. 0. Something you still drive? A. Occasionally. Its kind of a beat up car now, so it's kind of a knock around. 0. Best of your knowledge, it stays parked at your house? A. Recently irs been in Jeffrey's driveway, 0. Why? A. Just for an extra car to use. 0. For Jeffrey to use? A. No. I mean, for anybody that would come to the house to help out. Igor I think has driven the car before. 0. How did it come about that you began to park the Chevy Suburban, the 1999 car that we're talking about, at Jeffrey's house? A. When there was more activity here in West Palm Beach. We were never usually coming here that often, and now with atilt*, going on, with Jeffrey being in town longer, we needed more cars and transportation. So my car was lust sitting In the driveway at home while I was driving the Hummer. So I decided to let them use the Hummer at the house. 196 1 house drive it as a grocery shopping car or something, 2 or just as extra transportation. 3 0. Okay. But when you go to park the car at 4 somebody else's house, you have to let them know. Hey, 5 rm giving you the keys? 6 A. Mm-hmm. 7 O. Who did you give the keys to? 8 A. I don't know ill gave the keys to anybody. 9 may have just left them on the counter there and told to Yanush this is an extra car if you guys needed it to run 11 around because it was an eyesore at my driveway. 12 0. Are you familiar with a Mercedes-Benz SIN 13 1999? 14 A. Say that again. 15 0. Mercedes SUV, 1999 registered in your name? 16 A. Yes. 17 0. And what car is that? 18 A. There my car my wife's car. 19 0. Does that stay al your house? 20 A. Yes. 21 O. And that's the car that's parked at your hot's.. 22 now? 23 A. Yes. 24 0. Are you familiar with a Land Rover, Range 25 Rover Sport 2008? ESQUIRE ttlemidet Gale Cala A Toll Free: 866.709.8777 Facsimile: 561.394.2621 Suite 600 4440 PGA Boulevard Palm Beach Gardens, FL 33410 www.esquiresolutions.com EFTA01110375
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Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 197 1 A. Yes. 2 Q. Registered in your name? 3 A. Yes. 4 0. And whose car is that? 5 A. That's another extra car for the household to 6 use at Jeffrey's house. 7 0. And when was that car purchased? 8 A. Last year. 9 0. And who purchased that car? 10 A. tt was purchased in my name. 11 a By whom? Who purchased the car in your name? 32 A. Well. I put the car In my name, but the lands 31 came from they were wired to my account from New 14 York. 15 O. From whom, though? A mysterious source Just 16 sent funds? We know that didn't happen, so Prn just 17 trying t0 elaborate here. 18 A. Jeffrey had paid for the car. 19 O. Okay. And why did Jeffrey pay fora car and 20 put It In your name? 21 A. I don't know. 22 0. I mean, you had to agree for this to happen. 23 So what was the conversation between you and Jeffrey 24 that resulted in Jeffrey paying for a Land Rover, a 2008 25 Land Rover and putting It in your name? 199 1 2005 registered in your name? 2 A. Yes. 3 0. And whose car is that? 4 A. That car also is a Palm Beach house car to be 5 used at the house. 6 0. What does that mean, 'a Palm Beach house car? 7 A. It's a car that we park in Jeffrey's driveway 8 for people to use. Anybody that comes to the house can 9 selectee/it to go anywhere. I mean, run errands, go 10 shopping, do whatever they need to do. And that was 11 purchased the same way. It was in my name. 12 0. And the funds came from Jeffrey Epstein? 13 A. They were wired to my account. I don't know 14 exactly what account they came from. 15 0. Again, that's a conversation that has to take 16 place before — that you have to agree to put a car in 17 your name? 1e A. Yes, yes. 19 0. And is that a conversation between yourself 20 and Jeffrey Epstein that takes place? 21 A. Yes. 22 0. And what is the substance of that conversation 21 that results in a Mercedes-Benz 2005 being placed in 24 your name? 25 A. He just said we need a fun car for the house 198 A. I don't recall exactly how the conversation came about. He just says we want to buy an '08 Land 3 Rover and put it in my name. So we did. I didn't ask 4 any further questions. 0. Did this conversation happen when he was in jail or after he was out? A. Meaning out on house arrest? a 0. Right. 9 A. When you say flout' I think of the Science o Foundation. On work release, so you have to be more 11 specific. 12 0. You tell me what happened, when the 13 conversation happened relative to whore Jeffrey was at 14 the time. 15 A. I'd only be guessing again. I would say this 16 probably happened a year ago, maybe loss than a year 17 ago. rd have to look. I don't remember exactly the 19 0. So It was either at a time when he's at the 19 Florida Science Foundation or possibly on house arrest? 20 A. It was - no, it was definitely before house 21 arrest. It was probably during the time of the Florida 22 Science Foundation, to be accurate. 23 0. Okay. Are you aware 24 A. About eight or nine months ago. 25 0. Okay. Are you aware of a Mercedes-Benz CLK 200 1 It Palm Beach. 2 0. But why put it in your name? 3 A. I don't knOW. 4 O. You didn't ask any questions about that? A. No. I didn't. 6 0. Okay. Are you aware of a Jaguar X-Type 2005 7 registered in your name? A. I forgot about that one, yes. 9 0. Whose car is that? 10 A. That's a Palm Beach car. 11 0. What do you mean 'a Palm Beach car"? 12 A. It's the Palm Beach house car, another run 23 around for people to use. 14 0. And again, that's a conversation that has to 15 take place that results In a car being placed -- 16 registered in your name? 17 A. Yes. 18 0. Okay. Now we're talking about several cars 19 here? 20 A. Yes. 21 0. That are all being placed in your name? 22 A. Yes. 23 0. You never at any time ask any questions to 24 Jeffrey Epstein why are you placing these cars in my 25 name? ESQUIRE an Alessade• CaloCapaRy Toll Free: 866.709.8777 Facsimile: 561.394.2621 Suite 600 4440 PGA Boulevard Palm Beach Gardens, Ft. 33410 www.esquIresoludons.com EFTA01110376
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Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 3 5 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 201 A. I did not. Q. So your suspicions were never -- your curiosity was never piqued at all as to why these cars we being placed In your name? A. My curiosity was piqued. Q. You never asked him the question, you just agreed to do it? A. That's correct. 0. That goes for the Jaguar X-Type? A. Yes. Q. Are you familiar with a motorcycle, Big Dog Chopper Motorcycle. 2003? A. That is mine. 0. Yours? A. Yes. Q. Registered in your name for a good purpose, right? A. Yos, It is. Q. At your house? A. Yes. 0. You use it? A. Absolutely. Q. Al right. Ford F-250, 2008. registered in your name, are you familiar with that? A. It's not registered in my name. 1 0. 2 A. 3 0. 4 A. 5 Lie. 203 Who drives that car, Ford F-250? That was shipped to St. Thomas. For who to use and for what purpose? Wel, that car should have been put under LSJ, 6 0. What's LSJ, LLC? 7 A. Little St. James. Q. And that's a corporation? 9 A. Yes. 10 0. Your understanding is that's a corporation 11 affiliated with Jeffrey Epstein? 12 A. I know It's a corporation. I don't know its 13 affiliation to Jeffrey. 14 0. At this point in time, the way that this car 15 comes about Is through a conversation with yourself and 16 Jeffrey Epstein? 17 A. Yes, yes. le 0. So to make some representation that this • • 19 that this corporation LSJ, LLC, you're not sure if char 20 has any affiliation with Jeffrey Epstein? 21 A. I don't have any facts to lie the two 22 together. 23 0. Common sense would dictate? 24 A. Yes. 25 0. Okay. 202 Q. Okay. So if that's registered in your name, that would be a shock to you? That would be a surprise to you? A. Yes. it would be. 0. There should be no documentation from you where you would be the registered owner of the Ford F-250? A. What year? 9 0. 2006. 10 A. I remember buying that car. I just - that 11 shouldn't be in my name. 12 0. What do you mean you remember buying that car? 13 A. I do a lot -- !do all the car purchases for 14 Mr. Epstein. I'm a car fanatic, so for years I've been is the car-shopper. I'm the car fanatic. 16 0. Okay. But these cars aren't classic vehicles. 17 These are vehicles that are not being refurbished or 18 anything, they're being driven wound town? 19 A. No. but theyre fun. The new Range Rover is a 20 nice car. 21 O. This Ford F250, that's a car also that's Palm 22 Beach as you would say a Palm Beach car? 23 A No. 24 0. That's a car that stays at your house? 25 A No. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 a 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 204 MR. CRITION: Form. BY MR. EDWARDS: 0. Again, that's not a car that you use. the Ford F-250? A. No, it's not even here. 0. And when you say on St. Thomas, is it on actual St. Thomas, or Is It on Little St. James? A. No, it's on St. Thomas. ft's a work vehicle. 0. For whom? A. For the workers, for the island. MR. REINHAFIT: Be careful to answer his question. I think his question is. is it on St. Thomas or Little SI. James island? Where physically is the car, if you know. THE WITNESS: I don't know for a tact. BY MR. EDWARDS: 0. It's your understanding it's on St. Thomas? A. Yes. 0. And when you say "the workers; what's going on on St. Thomas to where there's workers that need an F-250? A. Just moving sand. I don't know the exact detail for it. 0. What were you told about the need for this car to be on St. Thomas? C) ESQUIRE ad Maude/ Galls GOP.07 Toll Free: 866.709.8777 Facsimile: 561.394.2621 Suite 600 4440 PGA Boulevard Palm Beach Gardens, FL 33410 www.esquiresolutions.com EFTA01110377
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Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 205 A. They need a work truck. O. To do what? 3 A. I don't know what the detail or the - you 4 know, what the job detail was for the truck. They just 5 needed a work truck 6 Q. So Jeffrey Epstein tells you they need a work truck on St. Thomas and that's the only description that s you're given? 9 A. Yes, to go purchase and get the best deaf I 10 can on a pickup truck, and that's what I did and for 11 some reason it got put in my name. 12 (Off the record discussion ) 23 BY MR. EDWARDS: 14 O. Whose money was used to purchase the truck. 15 You say you purchased the truck. I want the record to 16 be clear whether yd.:Ye purchasing it with your money? 17 A. No, this was wire-transferred. it was a I 18 don't remember how that - I think it was a wire 19 transfer or a check was FedExed from the New York office 2o to pay for that. Thal should not be in my name, Is what 21 rm getting at. certainly change that, but I 22 thought you were •• 23 O. I understand that. 24 A. No, rim being — yeah, I didn't. 25 MR. REINHART: There's no question. 207 1 O. Okay. And by *Jeffreys boat; It was 2 purchased with Jeffrey's money? 3 A. That is correct. 4 O. A. 6 O. 7 A. a O. 9 A. 10 O. 11 cod? 12 A. 36.000. 13 O. Do you know how much the Land Rover cost? 14 A. 68,000. 15 O. Do you know how much tho Mercedes-Benz SIN 16 cost, that's yours. right? The Chevy Suburban is yours 17 as well? is A. Yes, I remember how much those cost too. 19 O. IS there another boat, 35•foot Donzl 20 powerboat, 1999? 21 A. That's the one I thought you were talking 22 about originally. 23 Q. That's the same boat? 24 A. That's the same boat. 25 O. Is there any other boat Mars registered in Do you know how much that cost? I think it was 60.000. Do you know how much the Ford F-250 cost? Twenty-five, lYn guessing. ballpark. Do you know how much the Jaguar X-Type cost? 11,000. Do you know how much the Mercedes-Benz CLK 206 1 BY MR. EDWARD$: 2 O. 34-foot JVC Powerboat, 2000, owner LSJ, LLC, 3 registered to Larry Visosid. Do you know that? 4 A. Yea Q. You knew that that boat was registered in your 6 name? 7 A. It's registered to LSJ. It's Jeffreys boat 8 that we keep here in West Palm Beach. 9 O. And do you keep It at your home? 10 A. No. 11 O. Do you know that the registration is 10 your 12 home? 13 A. It's used in my home address, yes. 14 Q. Why was that done? 15 A. We were eventually going to shlp it out to 16 St. Thomas for it to live, but Since Jeffreys here, 17 we're keeping it in Florida• and when we ship the boat is over, we will change title to the Little St. James 19 address. 20 O. What do you mean 'since Jeffrey's here we're 21 keeping it in Florida'? What does Jeffrey being here 22 have to do with keeping a boat that's registered in your 23 name and to your address -- 24 A. Well. I have access to use the boat, you know, 25 here in Florida, but it's Jeffrey's boat 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 IS 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 208 your name? A. No. Q. Did you know that in let me ask you this: Do you have a 2003 Ferrari F75-M? A. No. O. Any reason why the car is registered in your name and the asking price Is $159,000 being sold in Now York? A. That car is not registered in my name. O. If It's registered — A. The ad is in my name. O. Why is the ad in your name? A. Because I was trying to sell it. O. Why were you trying to sell it? A. It was Jeffrey's car and we didn't want t: anymore. O. Why wouki he put his pilot in charge of selling his Ferrari? A. Because I bought it. O. How much did you buy it for? A. 179.000. Now, when I say 'I bought le 4 was his money. I was the one that negotiated it, to be dear. It was his car for use in New York. Q. Are you aware of the Zorro Trust winning an 85 mitiondollar Power Bab lottery in 2008? ESQUIRE aa Monate Coallo CalaY Toll Free: 866.709.8777 Facsimile: 561.394.2621 Suite 600 4440 PGA Boulevard Palm Beach Gardens, FL 33410 www.esquiresolutions.com EFTA01110378
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Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 209 A. No. MR. CRITTON: Say that again. MR. EDWARDS: The Zorro Trust winning an • 85 million-dollar claiming the ticket for 85 million-dollar Power Ball ticket in 2008. THE WITNESS: No. BY MR. EDWARDS: 2 Q. Have you ever listed your employer as 9 Ghlslalne Air In making political contributions? 10 A. I may have. 11 O. Did you know that you had made political 12 contributions -- 13 A. Yes, I have. 14 0. -- listing your - is A. I needed a company name for that event, and I 16 had put Air Ghislaine. 17 0. And NES, LLC wouldn't do? 18 A. I didn't think of it at the time. 19 0. Did Somebody tell you to use Air Ghislaine 20 rather than the company that has been paying you? 21 A. No. 22 0. You Just chose to use an employer that Isn't 23 actually your employer, nor have they ever been? 24 A. I represent Air Ghislaine, JEGE and Hyperion 25 as chef pilot, so I consider those really the companies 211 1 MR. REINHART: Mr. Edwards. ho needs to expand 2 upon one earlier answer he gave when you asked him 3 II he knew anybody else who worked at the Florida ♦ Science Foundation. 5 BY MR. EDWARDS: 6 0. Okay. 7 A. My Wife worked there. When you used the words 8 'worked there* - or not referring to her as a past 9 tense, but she worked there when it first opened 10 answering the phones. 11 0. What's your wife's name? 12 A. Eileen. 13 0. How does she spell that? 14 A. E-I-L-E-E-N. IS 0. Same last name as you? 16 A. Yes. 17 Q. How long did she work there? 18 A. A month. maybe. 19 0. And she was answering the phones for the 20 Florida Science Foundation? 21 A. Yes. 22 Q. Do you have a good relationship with your 23 wife? 24 A. I think so 25 0. You still don't know what tic Fiorida Sc ercc 210 that I work for and never really associated myself with NES. LLC as my realistic employer. So when I go to a convention, an aviation convention, and somebody says 4 who do you work for, I use the name JEGE because that's the name of the Boeing company. 0. But when I sit here and ask you who you work for, you give me a different answer. A. You're asking for the absolute correct answer. 9 which is where my paycheck comes from, which Is NES, 10 LLC. I probably have used that twice in 17 or 18 years 11 as my employer. 12 0. Do you know ? 13 A. I know the name, yes. 14 O. How do you know her? 15 A. I've seen her on the airplane a couple times. 16 0. Somebody that you know to be involved 17 romantically or sexually with Jeffrey Epstein at any is time? 19 A. I don't know that. 20 O. Are there any other cars, vehicles, items. 21 ocher things that are registered in your name that are 22 actually Jeffrey Epstein's? 23 A. No. You've actually covered them all and 24 actuay shed light on some that I did not realize, like 25 that Ford. 212 1 Foundation does? 2 A. No, because she doesn't. 3 0. She doesn't know what it does either' 4 A. We never talked about it 5 0. You never talked to your wife about what st), 6 did? 7 A. No. 8 MR. CRITTON: He knew she was answerirt: 9 phones. 10 BY MR. EDWARDS: 11 O. Do you know of any other employees, trends, 12 agents, relatives of Jeffrey Epstein who he places his 13 property in their names, registers them In his names or 14 anybody else? 35 A. Not to my knowledge. I don't know. 16 0. To your knowledge. you're the only person? 17 A. I'm the only one I'm aware of. 18 0. And with respect to minor girls being on the 19 airplane, that being under the age of 18, how many times 20 would you say that you have flown girls into the 21 country, Into the United States where you have given a 22 date of birth to Customs of somebody on the airplane 23 that Is under the age of 18? 24 A. I'd have to look at fright records to verify 25 or give you a correct answer. I don't know any to my 0 ESQUIRE aM“astiC.liotomPV Toll Free: 866,709.8777 Facsimile: 561.394.2621 Suite 600 4440 PGA Boulevard Palm Beach Gardens, FL 33410 wwvv.esquiresolulions.00m EFTA01110379
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Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 213 knowledge at this point. O. What Wight records would you have to look at? A. The passenger manifests. 0. Passenger manifests would have the date of birth on it? A. No. It would have a name, but I don't have -- 0. But at some point in time you remember people, minor date of births, coming Into the country and that 9 being turned Over to Customs? 10 MR. CRITTON: Form. 11 THE WITNESS: I don't remember anybody 12 transporting on the airplane from the country back 13 into the U.S. that was a minor, to my knowledge. 14 BY MR. EDWARDS: 15 O. Okay. Within the country. minors flying - la A. I don't know. 17 O. -- on a plane? 18 A. I don't know dates of birth. 19 O. And any people that you knew to be minors on 20 me airplane, were they always accompanied by parents or 21 were there minors on the airplane that you're aware of 22 that were not accompanied by parents? 23 A. I didn't know either way. I mean, people 24 would get on the airplane and get off the airplane. I 25 could tell you there were times people would get on that 215 1 leave? 2 A. Us as the crew. 3 O. Okay. So if a massage table had ever been 4 used, it would have been you and the crew who would have 5 been responsible for either taking towels or doing 6 something with the massage table? A. Absokitety. 8 O. And if I understood your testimony, you never 9 saw a circumstance rebate it appeared to you that the 10 massage table had been used in any manner; is that 11 correct? 12 A. mat is correct. It stayed in the same 13 location since the day it was put on there. 14 O. You were asked a bunch -- a number of as questions about Mr. Epstein, Ill use this -- 16 Mr. Epstein is the person who (erected you generally 17 unless one of -• someone else who worked on his behalf as called you and asked you to, say. set up a tine to leave 19 or pick up luggage, et cetera. My question to you is 20 this: Have you flown in the past for other private 21 individuals Ike Mr. Epstein. i.e., as distinct from a 22 cornraerclar? 23 A. Yes. I have. 24 O. And approximately have you Down for four, 25 eve, six other private exhviduals over the years? 214 I (AIM even know were on the airplane. Our focus Is 2 up front. O. Was there a massage table on the airplane? 4 A. Which aircraft? 0. On any of them? 6 A. The Boeing used to have a table on there. but 7 it stayed in the same spot and appeared to be never B used 9 O. Okay. So to the best of your knowledge, you 10 have no knowledge of that massage table on the airplane 11 ever being used? 12 A. Correct. 13 MR. EDWARDS: I don't have anything else. 14 CROSS (LARRY VISOSKI) 15 BY MR. CRT ON: 16 0. Mr. Visoski. I have just a few questions. You 17 were just asked about a massage table on the — any of le Mr. Epateiris airplanes and you said there was a massage 19 table on the Boeing? 20 A. Yes. 21 0. Okay. Was there always a massage table on the 22 Boeing or just for a period of time? 23 A. Just fora period of time. 24 O. All right. And who's responebie for cleaning 25 up the airplane after Mr. Epstein andfor the guests 216 1 A. Three. I had a short career as far as 2 transferring of owners. 3 O. In terms of transferring to the other owners, 4 separate and apart from Mr. Epstein, again, every individual is different, but was your relationship 6 realty any different with any of those other 7 individuals? That Is, you were in essence you were a hired to perform a specific task: Fly an airplane to 9 get from Point A to Pomt B and get the people there to safely? 11 A. My first job, corporate-wise, was for an owner 12 in Miami and I was hired as a pilot, but yet. I would go 23 to his house and maintain a boat that was in the back of 14 his house above and beyond my call of duty because I had 15 an interest in boats. Ws just something I like to do. 16 But I always treated Mr. Epstein site any of the other 17 prior orients that I had as owners. I knew that I was 16 not afraid to work for a living, and they understood 19 that. 20 O. And it sounds like at least the tat owner 21 that you worked for asked you to do eirnilar things that 22 you've done for Mr. Epstein, such as take care of a boat 23 or purchase a boat a maintain the boat? 24 A. Sum, absolutely. 25 a So your relational* with Mr. Epstein with ESQUIRE Al A444.40M Cann! Toll Free: 866.709.8777 Facsimile: 561.394.2621 Suite 600 4440 PGA Boulevard Palm Beach Gardens, FL 33410 www.esquiresolutions.com EFTA01110380
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Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 217 . regard to if you bought boats or you bought cars on his 2 behalf. that's very similar to your prior experience with working with another private individual? A. That Is correct. O. In terms of the records, the manner in which you flew the plane or — I don't want to say flew the plane, but in which you operated and maintained the 3 plane for Mr. Epstein are substantialy the same you've 9 done with other private individuals? 10 A. Right, exactly the same. We wouldn't treat 11 Mr. Epstein any different than any prior — previous 12 jobs that I had. It's the same routine we carry over 13 and that's why we're good at what we do. We take care 14 of the airplanes to the best of our ability. 15 O. Is your focus as the pilot, as the captain of 16 both of the airplanes when you took over that 17 responsibility a number of years age Is it your 18 obligation to get the passengers there safely -- onboard 19 and safely to the destination and then return? 20 A. Yes that was always job number one. 21 O. And most of us have had I'd say a much more 22 substantial experience in flying commercial planes and I 23 rarely see in fact, I cant remember the last time 24 particularly after 2001 I saw the pilots coming back 25 into the cabin shaking hands and helping distnbute the 1 2 3 4 5 6 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 219 A. No. I have not O. Did Mr. Edwards, in approximately four hours, little over lour hours of questioning, ever ask you one question about. that you can recall? A. Not that I recall. O. Have you ever heard the name Did you ever know someone named M.? A. Never heard that name. O. In approximately four-and-a-half hours of questioning by Mr. Edwards, did he ever ask you about A. No, he did not. O. In approximately the are you familiar with an Individual by the name of Jane Doe..)? A. I never heard that name. O. In approximately four-and-a-half hours of questioning by Mr. Edwards, did he ever ask you questions about Jane Doll)? A. No, he cad net MR. CRITTON: That's all I have. MR. EDWARDS: I only have two questions based on what your testimony just was to Mr. Craton. 218 1 snacks or liquids. Maybe I'm not on the same flights 2 that some of the other lawyers here are, but I assume you fly commercial from time to time? A. Sure. O. Do you ever see the pilots interacting with it. the people who are in the back of the airplane? A. No, not at all. They stay at their station up P. front. 9 O. You got -- as the captain of the planes, when 10 you're flying, you have substantial responsibilities not 11 only to the people on the plane, but as well to the air 12 space which you're flying? 13 A. Yes. 14 O. Okay. By the way, we've been here about — 15 for about an hour and ten we started about ten. It's 16 now 3:30. Did you ever hear the name II.? Has 17 Mr. Edwards ever asked you one question about..? 18 MR. EDWARDS: Is the question have you ever 19 heard of her or did I ask any questions about her, 20 or did you ask both questions and give the same 21 answer? 22 MR. CRITTON: 111 break them down. 23 MR. EDWARDS: It doesn't matter to me. 24 BY MR. CRITTON: 25 O. Did you ever meet an individual by the name of 220 1 REDIRECT (LARRY VISOSKI) 2 BY MR. EDWARDS: 3 O. You said you had three other people that 4 you've flown for? A. Three other previous jobs. Pin trying to be 6 as accurate. 7 O. Those are private individuals? a A. That is correct. 9 Q. And who are those people? 10 A. Herb Glimpsure In Columbus. Ohio. and Edward 11 Seltzer in Miami. And then the other was Tom Boyd. and 12 that was more of a Learjet charter, but he was the owner 13 of five Leanets. Those are my only three jobs in my 14 life. 15 O. 16 A. 17 O. 15 A. 19 O. 20 in jail? 21 MR. CRITTON: Form. 22 THE WITNESS: I Mow my first Individual had 23 trouble with the taw after I had left !don't 24 remember what It was pertaining to; but no. I never 25 visited any el them in jail, no. sir. Also wealthy individuals? Big time. And did you know what they did for a living? Those I 6:4 yes. And did you ever go visit any of those people ESQUIRE Toll Free: 866.709.8777 Facsimile: 561.394.2621 Suite 600 4440 PGA Boulevard Palm Beach Gardens, FL 33410 www.esquiresolutIons.com EFTA01110381
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Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 6 a 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 221 BY MR. EDWARDS: 2 O. Even the one who had trouble with the law, you I didn't go visit him In jail? A. No. I did not. 5 O. And did any of them put vehicles or other boats or anythkig else In your name? A. No. O. Okay. Any of those people ever deed any 9 property or acres or anything kke that to you? 10 A. No. 11 O. Did any of those people ever hire your wife 12 for employment? 13 A. No. 14 O. And your attorney, is that your attorney paid 15 for by you, or is this somebody that's hired by Jeffrey 16 Epstein? 17 A. It is somebody that is hired by Jeffrey 18 Epstein. 19 MR. EDWARDS: Okay. 20 MR. CRITTON: One follow-up to your question. 21 RECROSS (LARRY VISOSKI) 22 BY MR. CRITTON: 23 O. With regard to the private Individuals that 24 you worked for prior to Mr. Epstein. what was the 25 lOngest period of time that you worked for those? 1 2 3 4 6 7 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 Wendy Beath Anderson, APR, CRR. FPH 26 Notary Public State of Florida My Commission Expires: 9/202013 My Commission No.: DD 906647 Job 0127542 223 CERTIFICATE OF OATH THE STATE OF FLORIDA COUNTY OF PALM BEACH I, the undersigned authority, certify that LARRY VISOSKI personally appeared before me and was duly sworn on the 15th day of October. 2009. Dated tree 22nd day of October, 2009. 17 18 16 20 21 22 23 24 25 222 1 A. The longest period of time was five years and 2 the shortest being two years. 3 MR. CRITTON: Thank you. MR. EDWARDS: Well order. MR. REINHART: Well read. MR. CRITTON: Well take a copy, front page. mini with Index. (Witness excused.) (Deposition was concluded at 3:37 p.m.) 224 1 CERTIFICATE 2 THE STATE OF FLORIDA 1 COUNTY OF PALM BEACH 4 I. Wendy irreaih Anderson. Certified RealSrur Reporter and Notary Public in and lot the State ot 6 Matta at large, do hereby eerily that I was authorized lo and did report said deposition in • stenotype: and that the foregoing pages area true and 00110011 transcription of my shorthand notes of said • depo900n. 9 I further codify that said deposition was taken at the re and place hereinabove set forth and 10 mat the taking of said deposition was commenced and completed as hereinabove set ouL 11 I Wilber codify that I am not elomey or 12 Counsel of any of the parties. nor am I a relative or employee of any attorney or counsel of party COntlt;c1, 13 alh Use action, nor am I financially interested in the action. 14 The foregoing cerelicalion of this transcript 13 does not apply to any reproduction of the same by any means unless under the (Erect control andfw direction 14 of the candying reporter 17 Dated this 22nd day of October, 2009. 14 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Wendy Beath Anderson. RPR, CPR FPR Job 8127542 ESQUIRE as Mucosa. Gallo Catirom$ Toll Free: 866.709.8777 Facsimile: 561.394.2621 Suite 600 4440 PGA Boulevard Palm Beach Gardens, FL 33410 www.esquiresolutIons.com EFTA01110382
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Larry Visoski October 15, 2009 10 11 11 I) If 15 16 11 18 19 20 21 22 21 24 25 225 DATE: Oalobar 22.2409 TO: LARRY VISOSIg Job 8121542 ego Robert D. Cnnon. Jr. sansolpt IN RE: w_ Epees Please tete notoe that on Tursday. the 15th Ce October. 2009. you gave your decoaten n the atereederred mall At tat limo, you rid soh moue signalize. It K nOW necessary mat you age you depositort As Newt* agreed io. IM panacea' we be furnished to you hough your counsel. Please road de Cloning Instructions weNtly. At Me end ot ma Wrealpi NY we trd an errata sheet AS No read your deposition. any oranges of cotreteons Met you wised make shoed be noted or me errata sheet tang page and lire net& a said &dna. CO NOT erne on to tramoryt Nell Once you have read me transcript and noted any changes, be we to sign and date the errata sheet and return mesa page* to me. If you do not road and sm. Me depose:on mein a mesonatte tie be_ 30 days unless Wen*e drooled) the viral. which roe ;Wady bean &warned to me ordering altoirey, way be tied with me Ced DI the Cast If you win to WOW yotr signaturo. sign yaw name In ne blank at 'he bollom of to killer end Mann it bus. Very nuty yours. Wendy Beath Anders* RPR. CRFL FPR ESOUIRE DEPOSITICN SERVICES. INC. 515 North Rag* Dem. Ft200 Wets Palw Boats Florid* 33401 I do hoteby new my Dreamt LARRY vISOSKI 227 ERRATA SHEET 2 P4 RE:. VS. EPSTEIN CR. TM 3 IMPOSTOR OF, LARRY vISOSK1 4 TAKEN:10.15 09 JOB NO.: 127502 5 DO NOT WRITE ON TRANSCRIPT • ENTER CHANGES HERE 4 PAGES UREA CHANGE REASON 7 B 9 10 11 12 13 1.4 LS 16 1? 16 Please WNW me aired signed errata sheet to Ills cake so that copies may be distr.:Mod to al panics 19 Urtior penalty of piwOry. I declare that I hays read rry 20 depaatiOn and Mal m true and correct subject SO any changes in bins or substance entered here. 21 22 DATE: 23 24 SIGNATURE OF DEPONENT: 23 226 1 CERTIFICATE 2 3 THE STATE OF FLORIDA 4 COUNTY OF PALM BEACH I hereby certify that I have read the 6 foregoing deposition by me given, and that the 7 statements contained herein we true and cooed to the 8 best of my knowledge and belief, WAR the exception of 9 any corrections or notations made on the errata sheet. 10 done was executed. 11 12 Dated this day of 13 2009. 14 15 16 17 18 19 LARRY VISOSKI 20 Job #127542 21 22 23 24 25 0 ESQUIRE AltuadalettIOGSPARY Toll Free: 866.709.8777 Facsimile: 561.394.2621 Suite 600 4440 PGA Boulevard Palm Beach Gardens, FL 33410 www.esquiresolutions.com EFTA01110383
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