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A. Yes. I just felt scared and intimidated, so I 
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A. I was kind of confused. Like he was like an 
older, powerful man and, you know, I just felt confused 
about the whole situation at that point. 
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Q. You said that you thought Mr. Epstein — did 
you know what his last name was at that time or you just 
knew his name was Jeffrey? 
A. I thinkl knew, just thought it was Jeffrey. 
Q. You said when he walked in the room, obviously 
you knew that he was, you know what his approximate age 
Umm, I suppose. 
Okay. Did you feel intimidated? 
Yes. 
Did you feel uncomfortable? 
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And then he talked to me about how his friends 
like own yachts and, you know sail, because I told him I 
wanted to get into hospitality and travel. So he told 
me about his friends, and he said he would introduce me 
to one of his friends if I wanted to, because his friend 
has like a yacht, and 1 could work on his yacht and just 
stuff like that. So 1 just kind of assumed things. 
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Q. No, no, did he go off before you went back 
downstairs? 
A. Like walked off? 
Q. Did he leave the room? 
A. I think he just walked me to the stairs. 
Q. And he still had a towel around him? 
A. I think so, yeah, or a robe maybe. 
Q. You never saw him completely naked that day, 
did you? 
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was still there? 
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before you left? 
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Q. Did she say anything to you? 
A. Just goodbye, I think. Something like that. 
Q. And what did you say? 
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just confused by everything that was going on. 
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Q. Had you ever been with a guy before, a male 
before where he had masturbated, even if you didn't see 
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Q. Had you ever been with one of your, a guy 
friend and the guy had masturbated? 
A. No. 
Q. Or you thought he was masturbating? 
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house, you get back in the truck. 
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traumatic what he had done? You had never seen a guy or 
you had never been in the presence where another male 
had masturbated. Even though you didn't see him, that's 
what you thought he was doing, right? 
A. Yes. 
Q. All right. And that you found completely 
inappropriate, right? 
A. I mean yes. I was just confused at the time. 
Q. What's there to be confused about? You came 
away from that experience having been embarrassed and 
humiliated. You felt the situation was inappropriate. 
You were uncomfortable, scared and nervous. 
What would you ever be thinking why you would 
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that occasion? 
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anybody, and tibriLotber girls started going, and that's 
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Q. Did you say geez, that was a traumatic 
experience for me, l don't want to go back there or have 
anything to do with those people? 
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anxious and scared, did all those feelings come back to 
you when she called you? 
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just told us had happened? 
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happened. 
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Q. And did you tell her that you had massaged 
him, including his chest, he had turned over and then he 
had masturbated under a towel? 
A. Yes. 
Q. And she said what, no problem? 
A. She said she still wanted to go. 
Q. All right. And did you tell her that you 
found the whole situation with Mr. Epstein weird and 
awkward? 
A. Yes, Fm sure I said that. 
Q. And did you tell her you were scared and 
nervous when you were up there? 
A. I told her it was, you know, awkward. I felt 
weird and I told her what happened, but I don't remember 
exactly what words I used. 
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Q. Did you say you were in the same class? 
A. Yes. 
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you told us earlier maybe M. went, you just don't 
remember, or you think just
 two of you went? 
A. I don't remember. 
Q. So you drive over there. Din 
ask you any 
questions as you were going over there? 
A. I don't remember. 
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truth, that she had deceived you and misrepresented what 
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was going to happen? 
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A. I don't remember if I told her that. 
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would you go back up there with him?" 
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awkward and weird, that you were scared and nervous? 
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butt? 
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A. Yes. 
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Q. Okay. And she gill said "I'll go"? 
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A. Yes, 
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Q. Okay. What was S.V.'s reputation at school? 
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relationship with guys, from what you knew? 
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relationship with those boyfriends? 
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THE WITNESS: Yes. 
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Q. S'
 have been there an
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everybody says hi, and what happens next? 
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fora little bit, and they went upstairs 
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and I waited in the kitchen. 
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 gone? 
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A. For about half an hour. 
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Q. She comes back down the stairs? 
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A. Yes. 
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Q. Okay. Did you ever see Jeffrey that day? 
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A. Yes. 
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A. Yes. 
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Q. What did he say to you? 
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he just gave meauzey. I forget what he said to me. 
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 see you getting money for 
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bringing her? 
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A. I don't remember. 
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Q. Did she understand that you were going to get 
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money for bringing ha? 
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THE WITNESS: She didn't go into any detail. 
I'm sure she was embarrassed. 
BY MR. CIUTTON: 
Q. As you had been, right? 
A. Yes. 
Q. Okay. And did she say anything else? 
A. Not that I can remem 
Q. To your knowledge, :lie. 
ever go back to 
Mr. Epstein's? 
A. I don't know. 
Q. You never took her? 
A. No. I never took her again. 
Q. All right. On the third occasion that you 
went to Mr. Epstein's, is this when you would have taken 
A. Yes, I believe so. 
Q. So the third time, how did that happen? 
A. I don't remember exactly. 'just remember me 
taking her there. I think I mi t have drove, and 
basically the same 
wt 
Q. Did you tel 
what your experience had 
been? 
A. Yes, but she also heard about it from other 
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Q. Did you ever tell her? 
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A. I don't remember. 
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Q. When you got back in the car, did you go back 
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home, both of you? 
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A. Yes. 
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Q. Did you askencnv was it," or what was 
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your — you know, "Everything go okay?" 
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A. I don't remember exactly what we talked about. 
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weird and, you know, she was kind of creeped out. And 
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that's, she didn't really go into detail with me. 
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Q. So she thought Mr. Epstein was weird and she 
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was creeped out by the whole experience. 
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TIM WITNESS: Yes. 
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Q. Okay. And she told you that? 
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A. Yes. That's what I, the summary of what I 
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remember. 
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Q. Okay. And that was consistent with how you 
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felt after the fast time, because you thought it was 
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weird and you were creeped out too, weren't you? 
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A. Yes. 
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on. 
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Q. Had she, did she say, after told her your 
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experience — I mean you told her again that he had 
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grabbed your butt. 
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A. Yes. 
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legs, he had turned over and he had masturbated, at 
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least from your perception, under the towel? 
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A. Yes. 
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stall? 
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THE WITNESS: I don't remember. 
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A. I think so, yes. 
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I've heard he does that"? 
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A. Yes. 
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Q. Did you tell her that you had taken 
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that you found the situation weird and awkward and you 
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were uncomfortable, confused, and nervous and scared? 
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THE WITNESS: I don't remember, because she 
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already kind of knew about it, so I don't remember 
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what I said to her. 
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Q. But you told her that you didn't feel 
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comfortable being there, didn't you? 
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Q. Well, did you mislead her and misrepresent 
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what was going to happen, or did you tell her that it 
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was a very uncomfortable experience for you? 
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THE WITNESS: I don't know if she asked me 
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about it, but she already knew what was going on. 
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experience? That's what Pm interested in. I mean 
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whether she knew it from somebody else, did you tell her 
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your experience? 
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THE WITNESS: I don't remember. 
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this occasion? 
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brown-haired girl. 
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and, an
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Q. You pull into the kitchen. Was the cook 
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there? 
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A. I think so, yeah. There was usually a cook 
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there. 
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A. I don't remember. 
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take 
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oPstaks? 
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A. Yes. 
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Q. How long was she up there, about 30 minutes? 
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A. Yes-
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Q. She comes back down. Did Mr. Epstein come 
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back down again? 
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A. Umm, umm, actually I think that was the time 
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that Sarah brought me up there and Jeffrey was, was in 
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Ike a smaller room kind of by the bathroom. 
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And he gave me the money and he said something 
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Ike "good job," and then just tried to grab my butt 
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again. And then I was kind
e pulled away, and he 
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gave me the money and 
came out and then we 
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Q. Okay. Well, whether she asked you whether she 
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could go a not, you were in a situation that you found 
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traumatic, you thought he acted inappropriately, you 
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felt uncomfortable, nervous, scared, and confused. 
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Did you disclose — didn't you feel you had an 
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obligation to disclose that to her before you allowed 
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her or took her to the house? 
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THE WITNESS: She already knew like what was 
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the deal, like what was going on. So ifs not like 
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I hid anything from her. And any time they would 
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ask me, I would tell them straight up, you know. 
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everything at least that you knew, plus she had heard 
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stuff from other girls? 
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A. Yes. 
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disclosure, so to speak? 
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Q. Is that fair? 
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A. Yes. 
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Q. You go in the house. Who was in the house on 
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A. Yes. 
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then 
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walked downstairs? 
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A. Yes. 
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or did you take her home? 
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specifically. 
an. 
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friends? 
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A. Yes. 
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anything about the episode? Did 
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she say 
said, like "This is really weird, 
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this really creeped me out"? 
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girl that watt kind of had that feeling — like not 
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every girl, but I mean a lot of the girls, the first 
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time theysvere kind of confused by everything. 
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ave you at least the impression she 
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thought it was weird and she was kind of creeped out 
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Q. You don't have to assume. I want to know what 
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she said. Did she say anything to you? 
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THE WITNESS: I don't remember what she said 
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to me. 
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to you — strike that 
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had happened? 
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THE WITNESS: I don't remember. 
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Q. Okay. Did she say he had touched her in any 
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way or assaulted her? 
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A. No. She didn't say assaulted. 
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Q. Well, did she say that anything had happened 
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that was in any way inappropriate? 
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THE WITNESS: I don't remember. 
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Q. Again, neither 
ever came down 
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looking distraught or crying or upset, did they? 
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and weirded out. None of them ever cried, but — 
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money. You had a job at the time or you didn't have a 
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job? 
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A. I don't think I had a job, no. 
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Q. So did you ask your parents for money? 
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A. My parents like rarely gave me money. Like 
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just when I needed things like bad, like for school. 
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Q. Who paid for your gas? 
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A. I would have to like wash my dad's car or 
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clean the yard. I would have to do chores to get —
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Q. Soto speak, an honest days work for an 
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honest days pay? 
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A. Pretty much. 
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Q. All right. So and how about for insurance, 
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who paid the car payment and the insurance payment for 
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the car, your parents? 
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A. My dad. 
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Q. All right. Did your parents ever ask you 
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where you went when you were going over to Palm Beach, 
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or did they not know you were going to Palm Beach? 
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A. They didn't Icnigr agoing. 
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Iled, you said you 
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needed some money, so you said you'd go again? 
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A. Yes. 
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Q. Now the fourth time, this is the fourth of the 
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eight to ten times you went? 
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Q. Did they ever call for help when they were 
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there? 
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A. No. 
4 
Q. Did you after the first visit ever call the 
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Palm Beach Police Department? 
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A. No. 
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Q. Okay. Diver 
say, "You know what? 
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This guy did something unappropriate, we should call the 
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pollee? 
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A. No. 
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Q. How about and you? DiMisay anything 
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to you about calling the police that maybe what was 
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going on was inappropriate? 
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A. No. 
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Q. All right. So you made another 200 bucks for 
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taking somebody else, right? 
17 
A. Yes. 
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Q. Okay. The fourth time now you went, how did 
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it happen that you went a fourth time? 
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A. I just heard about, you know girls going, and 
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then I just needed money and 
like kept calling me, 
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so then I just decided to go back, but it's hard to 
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distinct from time to time. !just remember like major 
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things that happened when I was there. 
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A. Yes. 
Q. So you go on the fourth time, you go. Who was 
in the kitchen at the time? 
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Q. Let me strike that. 
Was there anyone in the kitchen at the time? 
MR. HOROWITZ: No, that's not my objection. 
BY MR. CRITTON: 
Q. Fourth visit 
MR. HOROWITZ: That is a better question. 
BY MR. CRITTON: 
Q. You went to his house the fourth time. 
correct? 
A. Yes. 
Q. You went to the 
did you always go to the 
kitchen entrance? 
A. Yes. 
Q. Did you ring the bell? 
A. No. 
Q. You just walked in? 
A. I think so, yeah. 
Q. Was anyone in the kitchen? 
A. I don't remember exact like lime to time. I 
just, I remember usually there was a cook in the 
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kitchenaape I saw Shairl there. One time 
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there
 was usually always 
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there. 
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Q. Can you tell me, can you identify the fourth 
5 
time and what happened at the fourth time? 
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A. I think the fourth time was when he was in the 
7 
shower and I went up there. 
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Q. So you went up. Dialtake you up or you 
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just !mew how to get up there? 
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A. I think she took me up. 
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Q. Okay. Now this is the fourth time you went. 
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You went one time, you were, you felt the situation 
13 
completely inappropriate, you were traumatized, you were 
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scared and confused. 
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The next two times you take friends. You 
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explain to them what was going to go on, and they knew, 
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they heard it from other people. 
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Why did you put yourself in a position to go 
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back now a second time yourself after the first 
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experience was traumatic and awful for you? 
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THE WITNESS: I don't know, I just, I wanted 
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money. And I mean a lot of my high school 
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girlfriends were going and I thought it was kind of 
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like, you know, getting to be normal almost. And 
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right? 
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was confused. I wasn't thinking. I was young. 
And a lot of my friends were going and I just 
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started getting more comfortable because my friends 
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were going. It wasn't like he was a mean man. He 
was like really nice to me, and I mean other than 
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what he did. But I mean I don't know why. 
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Q. Okay. Each of the subsequent times, each of 
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the times from the fourth time through the eighth or the 
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tenth time, whatever it was, with the second and third 
14 
time taking someone else and not you participating, you 
15 
voluntarily consented to go to Mr. Epstein's home, true? 
16 
A. Yes. 
17 
Q. And in each instance, when you were asked 
18 
whether you wanted to come and work, you had to make a 
19 
decision to say, number one, yes; and then number two, 
20 
to get in the car and to transport yourself over there? 
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A. lb huh. 
22 
Q. Yes? 
23 
A. Yes. 
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right. And in any instance you could have 
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that you had no interest incoming 
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don't know, I was just young and confused, and so I 
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went there again. 
3 
BY MR. CRITTON: 
4 
Q. But had you ever had had you ever put your 
5 
hand on or near a kitchen — do you have a gas or an 
6 
electric range? 
7 
A. Gas. 
a 
Q. Okay. Did you ever put your hand too close to 
9 
the flame and it bums? 
10 
A. Yes. 
11 
Q. Not a pleasant experience, right? 
12 
A. Yes. 
13 
Q. What's it teach you? Even as a small child, 
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you learn you don't do that again, right? 
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MR. HOROWITZ: Form. 
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THE WITNESS: Yes. 
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BY MR. CRITTON: 
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Q. All right. So in this instance you had a very 
19 
unpleasant experience with Mr. Epstein —
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A. Yes. 
21 
Q. — from the first occasion. Traumatic, as 
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you've described it. 
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So why would you put yourself back in that 
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position again? I mean you had a lot of time to think 
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it before you ever went back a second time for yourself. 
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back to Mr. Epstein's house, correct? 
2 
A. Yes. She would call me a lot, though. 
3 
Q. I'm sorry? 
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A. She called me a lot. 
5 
Q. All you had to do was say don't, do not call 
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me again, correct? 
7 
A. Yes. 
8 
Q. That's all you had to say? 
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Q. Did you ever al= 
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anymore, I have no interest in coining to your house"? 
13 
A. No. 
14 
Q. Okay. Have you ever told someone — my guess 
15 
is you've told males before who wanted to date you, you 
16 
have said "Look, I have no interest in dating you, don't 
17 
call me anymore." 
You have said that to men, haven't you? 
19 
A. Yes. 
20 
Q. And my guess is you probably said that to some 
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females over the years, some people that you don't want 
22 
to associate with if they call you and say "Look, I'm 
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sorry I did this to you. Look, don't call me" 
24 
You have said that to people, haven't you? 
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A. Yes. 
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Q. And you could have said that t•MI could 
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you not? 
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A. Yes. 
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Q. All right. But you chose not to for whatever 
5 
reason, true? 
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A. Uh huh. 
7 
Q. Yes? 
8 
A. Yes. 
9 
Q. All right. So the fourth time you go over, 
10 
you say you saw him, he was in the shower. 
11 
A. Yes. 
12 
Q. All right. So what did you do? 
13 
A. He was just talking to me while he was in the 
14 
shower. And I think he asked me how school was or 
15 
something. 
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And he said he needed to take a shower because 
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he just went for a jog, and we were just briefly 
18 
talking. Then he got out and he grabbed a towel. He 
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was like all naked and just kind of dried off and then 
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asked me if I was ready to do the massage. 
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Q. Were you looking at him when he got out of the 
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shower or did you turn away? 
23 
A. !saw him naked and then I tamed away. 
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Q. Okay. Did you say anything to him when you 
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say him naked, say "Look, you know, I don't need that"? 
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Q. Again, you are there. Were all these sessions 
2 
about a half hour? 
3 
A. Yes. 
4 
Q. So you massage his feet and his legs again. 
5 
Is he talking to you? 
6 
A. Yes. 
7 
Q. Does he ever ask you your age? 
8 
A. No. 
9 
Q. Do you ever tell him your age? 
10 
A. I don't think so. I remember telling him I 
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was in high school. 
12 
Q. You did ever show him your fake IDs? 
13 
A. No. 
14 
Q. Did you tell him you had a fake ID? 
15 
A. No. 
16 
Q. If he had asked for the ID, you would have 
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given him the fake ID? 
18 
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THE WITNESS: NO. 
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Q. Why not? 
22 
A. I mean why would I have? 
23 
Q. Were you concerned at all about your age? 
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A. I mean no, I was kind of nervous. I was just 
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put in an awkward situation, pretty much. 
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Q. So again, you felt in a very awkward and 
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unoomfortable position? 
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A. Uh huh. 
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Q. Yes? 
7 
A. Yes. 
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Q. All right. Did you say, you know, "I really 
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don't feel like doing this, I don't feel well, I think 
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III go downstairs"? 
11 
A. No. 
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Q. Okay. I mean you've gotten out of other 
13 
events in your life, whether it's a party or going out 
14 
with someone by saying "Look, I don't feel well, I have 
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got a headache, l feel sick," and then you didn't have 
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to go to dinner with the person or didn't have to go 
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out? 
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You have done that before? 
19 
A. Yes. 
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Q. All right. So he puts a towel around himself 
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Does he come over and get on the table then? 
22 
A. Yes. 
23 
Q. Did you start massaging his feet and his legs 
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again? 
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A. Yes. 
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Q. So again the fourth time, but the second time 
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you alone, you massage his feet and his legs. 
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What happens? Is it the exact same as the 
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fast occasion? 
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A. No. 
7 
Q. How is it different? 
8 
A. It was worse. Like every time it gradually 
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got worse. That was the time when he like grabbed my 
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buttocks and pulled me closer and after the massage, and 
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then he tried grabbing my breasts and asked me to take 
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my shirt off. 
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And I think I always wore like a bathing suit 
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there, and he told me that I had like a nice body and I 
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was pretty. And then he would ask me things, like if l 
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was still a virgin. 
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Q. I'm just talking about the fourth visit now. 
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A. Okay. 
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Q. This all happened on the fourth visit, the 
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second time you were there alone? 
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A. I can't distinct visit to visit. I just 
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remember the fourth until certain big events that 
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happened. 
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Q. You say they got worse and worse. So as of 
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the second time, you say he grabbed your butt again. 
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A. Yes. 
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Q. And then you said he tried grabbing your or 
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touching your breasts? 
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A. Yes. 
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Q. Did he? 
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A. I don't lmow if he did it on the tomtit or the 
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fifth time, but eventually, yes, he did. 
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Q. Okay. But on the fourth at least he tried is 
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what you are saying? 
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A. Yes. 
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Q. And you described, you felt that this was a 
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worse situation than the first time that you had been 
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there alone? 
14 
A. Yes. 
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Q. All right. Did you feel more scared? 
16 
A. Yes. 
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Q. More anxious? 
18 
A. Yes. 
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Q. And did you feel that his conduct was more 
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inappropriate? 
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A. Yes, 
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Q. And vane you more traumatized because he was 
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more what you perceived to be a little more aggressive? 
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THE WITNESS: Yes. 
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Q. And you had your swimsuit on underneath? 
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A. Yes. 
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Q. Which would have been the top and the bottom? 
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At IA huh, yeah. 
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Q. Your swimsuit, was it a thong or full 
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swimsuit? 
7 
A. It was like a full swimsuit. 
8 
Q. Um a two-piece? 
9 
A. Yes. 
10 
Q. But not like a thong bikini? 
11. 
A. No. 
12 
Q. So on the fourth time did he masturbate again, 
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or what you perceived to be masturbating? 
14 
A. Yes. 
15 
Q. And again, under the towel? 
16 
A. Yes. 
17 
Q. And at the end of the session, at the end of 
18 
the massage session, were you again anxious, scared, 
19 
very uncomfortable? 
20 
A. Yes. 
21 
Q. All right. Felt again traumatized by the 
22 
events? 
23 
A. Yes, I felt upset about everything and 
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embarrassed, yeah. 
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Q. And he again paid you 200 bucks? 
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Q. Okay. Did he ask you — did you remove any of 
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your clothing on that visit? This is the second — the 
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fourth time recognizing — I don't want to keep 
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repeating this, but the same 
you brought and 
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the third time you brou
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So the fourth time, did you remove any of your 
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clothing? 
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A. 1 remember, I just remember him grabbing my 
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butt and trying to grab my boobs and just like being 
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more rough with me than the first time I went there. 
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I don't know if It was the fourth or the fifth 
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time when I took off my shirt. 
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Q. All right. So whether it was the fourth or 
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the fifth, we'll kind of combine those two, but between 
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the fourth and the fifth, did it get worse from your 
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perspective than two? 
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A. Yes. 
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Q. Did he ask you to take off your shirt on 
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either let's say on the fifth time? 
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A. Yes. 
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Q. And did you have a tank top cm? 
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A. I don't remember exactly what I was wearing. 
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I usually just wear like a skirt and cute shirt, tank 
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A. Yes. 
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Q. And when you left that time, you had come 
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alone, so you went home alone, right? 
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A. Yes. 
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Q. And did you make a vow to yourself, I'm not 
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going back there again, this was worse than the last 
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time, than the first time when I was there alone, I have 
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no interest in ever going back to this place? 
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A. No. I would wait a little bit again and then 
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just kind of, you know, just wait. And ther
would 
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keep calling me again, and then I finally gave in again 
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and went. And I mean yeah. 
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Q. The fifth time, so between the fourth time and 
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the fifth time, how much time transpired? How much time 
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usually transpired between visits? 
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THE WITNESS: I don't remember, sometimes a 
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week, sometimes a month. 
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Q. Were you telling other people, were your 
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Mends aware that you had gone back? 
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A. Just Jane Doe 4, and I dont know if I told 
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Jane Doe 3. 
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Q. Okay. Did you tell them what was going on? 
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A. I don't remember what I told them. 
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Q. Well, did the three of you talk about what 
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went on when you were there? 
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A. I mean I don't remember generally. I'm sure 
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we talked about it, but I don't remember what was said. 
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Q. Okay. Did you know or did Jane Doe 4, did she 
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ever mention that he masturbated? 
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A. I don't remember. 
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Q. Did Jane Doe 3 ever tell you that Mr. Epstein 
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A. I don't remember. 
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Q. The fifth time you say you removed your shirt, 
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but you still had your top on. 
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A. Yes. 
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Q. Did he touch you in any way? 
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A. Yes. He touched my breast. 
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Q. Over your swimsuit? 
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A. Yeah, and tried to reach under it 
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Q. He tried, but he didn't? 
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A. The fifth time he didn't. He just kept trying 
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to grab my breast. 
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Q. Did you tell him not to? 
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A. Youth, I kind of liked pulled away and I was 
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like 1 don't feel comfortable." 
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And he's like "Well, you know, yottve been 
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here before, you should know." He said something like 
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Q. And he said something to the effect of well. 
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you've been here before. 
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A. (Witness nods head up and down.) 
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Q. And you still moved away from him? 
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A. Yes. 
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Q. Is that correct? 
7 
A. Yes. 
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Q. All right. So as of the sixth visit, you had 
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tatter' your top off, he had put his hand on your butt and 
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pulled you closer each time; is that true? 
11 
A. Yes. 
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Q. All right. And he tried to touch your breast, 
13 
but was not successful, correct? That is, under your 
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swimsuit? 
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A. Yes. 
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Q. And on each of the visits did he masturbate, 
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at least from your perception, under the towel? 
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A. Yes. 
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Q. All right. What happened on the — what event 
20 
occurred next, whether it was the seventh or the last 
21 
visit, if the last visit was the eighth, what happened 
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next? 
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A. Well, I remember being just like, I took off 
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my bottoms and I was just in a bathing suit. 
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Q. Is this now the last time you went? 
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that. 
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Q. Did he ever pay you more than S200? 
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A. No. 
4 
Q. So he ahvays paid you $200? 
5 
A. Yes. 
6 
Q. Okay. Now on that occasion, on the sixth now, 
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you say again — well, were you on the fifth or the 
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sixth? 
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A. They kind of blend together forme, so —
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Q. On the fifth or the sixth, what happened 
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again — now let's go to the sixth. What happened 
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differently on the sixth than the fifth? 
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THE WITNESS: I honestly can't remember every 
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visit. I just remember like really the things that 
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stood out. Like it's so painful for me to 
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remember, like I don't know, ifs hard to bring 
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backup, and I just remember the main things that 
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happened. 
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Q. Well, at some visit, whether it was the fifth 
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or the sixth, you say he tried to touch your breasts. 
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You moved away from him and said you didn't feel 
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comfortable with that. 
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A. Yes. 
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A. No, this is around the sixth or the seventh 
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time probably, and I was just in my bathing suit And 
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then he pretty much did the same thing. 
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And then he just kept asking me more like 
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vulgar questions every time and —
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Q. Vulgar questions? 
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A. Yes. 
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Q. Me what? 
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A. Like asked me what I have done with guys and 
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why I was still a virgin. 
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Q. Because you told him that you had done nothing 
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with guys? 
13 
A. Yes. 
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Q. Other than kissing, making out? 
15 
A. Yes. 
16 
Q. I think you testified earlier that you had not 
17 
had sexual intercourse with a man by then? 
18 
A. No. 
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Q. And you had not engaged in oral sex, either 
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giving or receiving; is that correct? 
21 
A- Yes. 
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Q. So you said, whatever question he asked, you 
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said, "I haven't engaged in sex, it was my own choice," 
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right? 
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Q. Strike that. Did you tell him when he said 
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"Why arc you still a virgin," what did you say? 
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A. I said I hadn't fallen in love yet and 1 was 
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waiting until I found somebody I fell in love with. 
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Q. So you certainly had the presence of mind with 
7 
other males, males your age or a few years older or 
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younger, my guess is guys had encouraged you to by to 
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have sex with them? 
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THE WITNESS: I mean not really. I just, I 
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just, I mean I'm sure guys like hit on tne and this 
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and that, but I've never really been in that 
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position where 1 was with Jeffrey wherel felt so 
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obligated to do things and just like in that 
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situation. 
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Q. Ur me ask you this. Before you ever went to 
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Mr. Epstein's house, had you ever been in a position 
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with a boy who tried to get more aggressive than just 
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kissing you, with a male? 
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A. I mean I don't think so. I don't remember. 
23 
Q. So you're either 15, 16 or 17 when you are 
24 
going to Mr. Epstein's house, depending on what your 
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interrogatories and what you have told us today and what 
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A. I don't remember. Maybe like I, I don't — it 
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was so long ago, I don't remember exactly what happened 
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in high school and what guys, you )(now, tried to touch 
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me or if a guy tried to touch me. Irernernber, of 
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course, I made out with people and, you know. 
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Q. Had you ever tried to touch a guy? 
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A. No. 
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Q. All right. So you are at Mr. Epstein's house. 
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It's now the sixth or the seventh time. You are in a 
12 
bathing suit. 
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On each occasion you felt that he acted 
14 
inappropriately, both from a physical standpoint and 
15 
from a verbal standpoint at this point, right? The 
16 
questions he was asking you? 
17 
A. Yes. 
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Q. All right. You felt that the questions were 
19 
becoming more inappropriate? 
20 
A. Yes. 
21 
Q. And making you more uncomfortable. 
22 
A. Yes. 
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Q. And you were uncomfortable not only with the 
24 
questions that he was asking you, but with his actions, 
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that is, in pulling you close to him by putting his hand 
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you told the Palm Beach police, whatever that date or 
whatever that time period was, is it your testimony that 
no male had, or that you had done nothing with a male 
other than kissing them? 
MR. HOROWITZ: Form. 
THE WITNESS: While I was going to Jeffrey's? 
BY MR. CRITTON: 
Q. Yes, during the torte that you were going to 
Jeffrey's. 
MR. HOROWITZ: Fenn. 
THE WITNESS: Yeah, I was a virgin. I didn't 
do anything. 
BY MR. CRITTON: 
Q. And no guy, no male had ever put his hand on 
your breast, either on the exterior of your clothes, 
under your bra; is that what you arc testifying to? 
MR. HOROWITZ: Form. 
THE WITNESS: I don't really remember. It was 
high school. Fm sure some guy tried to touch me 
or —
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Q. Had a guy touched you? 
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off. Go ahead. 
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on your buttocks, right? 
2 
A. Yes. 
3 
Q. And trying to reach and touch your breast over 
4 
your swimsuit? 
5 
A. ' Yes. 
6 
Q. And again, you felt awkward, scared, nervous, 
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and you felt the situation was weird? 
8 
A. Yes, but at the same time he was also like 
9 
very nice to me and would ask me questions and say that 
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he would like get me jobs and he was a good person to 
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know, so I was confused by the whole situation. It was 
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kind of conflicting in my head. 
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Q. You may have had some conflict, but on each 
14 
occasion when you came away from Mr. Epstein's, 
15 
certainly as of the sixth or seventh time, you felt that 
16 
the situation from your perspective was escalating, was 
17 
getting worse, right? 
18 
A. Yes. 
19 
Q. And you felt more uncomfortable than you had 
20 
the first time and with each time thereafter felt 
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equally -- in fact, more uncomfortable? 
22 
A. Yes. 
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Q. And you felt his behavior was more 
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uncomfortable each time? 
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A. Uh huh. 
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Q. Yes? 
A. Yes. 
Q. And so on any of those occasions, whether 
before you went back on the fifth, the sixth, the 
seventh or the eighth, all you had to do was tell 
a
I'm not coming, I don't feel comfottable," 
net 
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A. Yes. 
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Q. You didn't even have to give a reason, all you 
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had to do was say Tm not coming"? 
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Q. "Ifs over, I have no interest in corning 
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anymore," true? 
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A. Yes. 
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Q. And you could have told Mr. Epstein when you 
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were there and he is asking you these questions that you 
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felt were inappropriate, WI you had to do was say 
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"Jeffrey, I'm never coming back here if you keep asking 
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me questions like that." 
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Did you ever say that? 
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A. I remember telling him something like "I don't 
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Q. On the eighth time, the next time, what event 
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happened? Is the next time the last tint you were 
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there? 
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THE WITNESS: Yeah, the last time was the 
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worst. 
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Q. Okay. So on the eighth time when you were 
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there, what happened? 
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THE WITNESS: The last time he I had my 
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shkt off. I had a bra and underwear on, and I 
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gave him a massage. And then that time he was just 
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the most aggressive with me. And that's when be 
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like pulled me close to him and he asked me to take 
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my underwear off, and I said no. 
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And then he tried to grab it and pull it down, 
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and I was like "No, I just don't feel comfortable." 
21 
And he was Illce "You've been here plenty of 
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times before." And then he — I took my shirt off. 
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And then he was grabbing my breast, and I kept 
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pulling away and he kept grabbing it. 
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And then he just like pulled me closer to him. 
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feel comfortable telling you about, you know, guys and 
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talking about this," and then he just kept pressuring me 
3 
and asking me why not. 
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Ink just he's good at talking and he's good 
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at making you feel like you could tell him stuff; and 
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he's good at like making you feel like it's okay to do 
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stuff. 
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Q. But you knew, you felt it was inappropriate, 
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right? 
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So whether he is trying to make you feel 
11 
comfortable or not, you in your own mind knew that the 
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questions were very uncomfortable and inappropriate, 
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true? 
14 
A. Yes, and I told him about it. 
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Q. All right. So seventh time, now you are in 
16 
your swimsuit, he's asking you more direct questions. 
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You felt even more uncomfortable. 
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Again, be masturbated under the towel? 
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THE WITNESS: Yes. 
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Q. All right. And then you would, he would get 
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up and go take a shower or he would leave the room and 
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you would take your 200 bucks and leave the house? 
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And that's when he like tried to like reach under 
my — well, he did reach under my underwear and 
touch my vagina and he was, like tried fingering 
me. 
BY MR. CRITTON: 
Q. This last time, were you still giving him a 
massage? 
A. Well, I was like massaging his chest while he 
was like doing this. 
Q. But you were doing the same kind of massage 
you had done before, you were doing his feet, his legs 
and then he would turn over? 
A. Uh huh 
Q. Ms. jane Doe 7, you say he got a little more 
aggressive. So did you take off your bra? 
A. I don't remember. I think he tried to unhook 
it and pull it down — 
Q. But you didn't let him do that? 
A. — and grab my breast. I think he pulled it 
down. I didn't take it all the way off, but he pulled 
it down. 
Q. Did he touch your breast? 
A. Yes. 
Q. Both or just one? 
A. I know he touched one. I think he touched 
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A. Touching, Ince going from — this is so 
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embarrassing. 
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Q. With his left hand or with his right hand? 
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THE WITNESS: It was with his left hand. 
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Q. Okay. So you are saying he pulled down your 
In and then was able to touch your breast with the same 
hand that he was pulling your bra down? 
A. Well, he pulled it down and then grabbed it. 
Q. When he pulled it down, did you move away from 
him? 
A. Yeah, and then he pulled it down again and he 
was being very aggressive. 
Q. When he gabbed your bra and pulled it down, 
why didn't you just move away from him? 
A. I did move away. 
Q. Well, why did you ever move back near him 
then? 
A. Because he pulled me back near him with his 
arm. 
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want to tell anybody. 
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Q. That's the last time you went Mr. Epstein's? 
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A. Yes. 
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Q. And on that last occasion that you went to his 
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house, when you left, where did you go? 
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A. I don't remember. I think I went home. 
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Q. All right. Did you ever tell anyone about it? 
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A. No. 
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ever told. 
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Q. Did you tell her at the time? 
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A. I don't remember. 
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Q. At some point did you tell her? 
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A. I don't remember. 
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Q. So you don't even lmow what you told Jane 
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Doe 4? 
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THE WITNESS: I don't exactly icn nber what I 
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told Jane Doe 4 why I stopped going, like if I told 
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her everything. I mean I was embarrassed. I 
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didn't want to like share all my details. 
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Q. Did anyone, did Sarah ever call you again to 
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work? 
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Q. Did you say something to him like "Let me go"? 
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A. Yeah. I said, I just told him, I was like "I 
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just can't do this," like no. I don't remember the 
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exact words I used. 
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And he just made me feel like really stupid 
6 
and belittled. He was like "You have been here so many 
7 
times and, you know, you should know like what goes on 
8 
by now." 
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And then I just felt like in that position 
10 
where like I just felt like obligated or just like I was 
11 
just put in that weird position. And then that's when 
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he pulled me closer to him again, and that's when he 
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pulled down my underwear, and then that's when he 
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touched my vagina and tried to finger me. 
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And then after that, I was just, I was like 
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no, Fin done after that. And I was just so, I was fed 
17 
up with everything. I was like this has gone way too 
18 
far. 
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Q. Did you tell him that? 
20 
A. Yeah, I was like fm done. He knew I felt 
21 
really in shock And then he was like okay, okay. And 
22 
then he was just mad at me and just like gave me dirty 
23 
looks and just made me feel stupid. 
24 
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MR. CRITTON: Well, I'm not sure what it is, 
so we're going to find out. So you don't have to 
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you, and I think — well, let me strike that. 
When I asked you earlier, I think you said 
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basically, yeah. 
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