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SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF FLORIDA 
CASE NO. 08-CIV-80119-MARRA/JOHNSON 
JANE DOE NO. 2, 
Plaintiff, 
-vs-
JEFFREY EPSTEIN, 
Defendant. 
Related cases: 
08-80232, 08-08380, 08-80381, 08-80994, 
08-80993, 08-80811, 08-80893, 09-80469, 
09-80591, 09-80656, 09-80802, 09-81092, 
DEPOSITION OF JANE DOE #7 - VOLUME I 
(videotaped) 
Monday, March 15, 2010 
10:02 - 6:49 p.m. 
250 Australian Avenue South 
Suite 1500 
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401 
Reported By: 
Rachel W. Bridge, RMR, CRR 
Notary Public, State of Florida 
EXHIBIT B 
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was like a long time ago. I don't --
2 
Q. 
3 
A. 
4 
Q. 
5 
A. 
6 
Q. 
7 
A. 
8 
Q. 
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to Mr. Epstein's house or during the time that you were 
10 
going to Mr. Epstein's house that you saw him jogging on 
11 
the beach? 
12 
A. 
I don't exactly remember when it was. I think 
13 
it was when I was still going. 
14 
Q. 
Okay. So the only time that you've ever 
15 
spoken with Mr. Epstein outside of his home would have 
16 
been the one time you saw him out jogging on the beach 
17 
and you were at the beach over in Palm Beach, correct? 
18 
MR. HOROWITZ: Form. 
19 
THE WITNESS: Yeah, I thought I saw him in Key 
20 
West once, but I wasn't sure that was him. But 
21 
yeah, other than that, yes. 
22 
BY MR. CRITTON: 
23 
Q. 
Okay. You have never traveled with 
And you talked to him? 
Yes. 
He said "Hi, how are you?" 
Uh huh. 
Yes? 
Yes. 
And did you, was that after you stopped going 
24 
Mr. Epstein? 
25 
A. 
No. 
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Q. 
And Mr. Epstein has never flown you or asked 
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you to travel anyplace, has he, where you traveled? 
3 
A. 
No. 
4 
Q. 
That's correct? 
5 
A. 
Yes. 
6 
Q. 
All right. First time, at least what you told 
7 
the police officers, your best recollection is that you 
8 
went over there with 
., you went upstairs, and you 
9 
gave Mr. Epstein a massage, correct? 
10 
A. 
Yes. 
11 
Okay. And during the course of the massage, 
12 
you kept your clothes on, true? 
13 
A. 
I believe that's what I told them. 
14 
Q. 
All right. And you also told the police that 
15 
at no time did he try to touch you or did he touch you, 
16 
correct? 
17 
A. 
I told them that he did try to touch my butt. 
18 
Q. 
Okay. He did try? 
19 
A. 
Or he did, I think I said. 
20 
Q. 
What's the difference between trying and 
21 
touching? 
22 
A. 
I don't exactly remember the words I said. I 
23 
think I did tell them that he did. 
24 
Q. 
So it's now your testimony that you recall 
25 
telling the Palm Beach Police Department that he did 
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asked 
. if you could go to Mr. Epstein's? 
2 
A. 
. asked me twice, and then 
asked me 
3 
from then on. So I never asked III. to go. 
4 
Q. 
Okay. Did you ever make a call to 
5 
A. 
No, 
would always call --
6 
MR. HOROWITZ: Let him finish. You know what 
7 
each other is going to say, but let him finish. 
8 
BY MR. CRITTON: 
9 
Q. 
Did you ever make a call to 
10 
A. 
No, not that I could remember. 
11 
Q. 
And if 
called you, she basically said, 
12 
in essence the conversation was "Would you like to come 
13 
over today?" 
14 
A. 
Yeah, she asked me what my schedule was and 
15 
when I had school and classes and like what days I could 
16 
come. 
17 
Q. 
And that was the extent of the conversation, 
18 
it was strictly a scheduling? 
19 
A. 
No, and she asked me if I knew anybody too 
20 
that I would want to bring for a massage. 
21 
Q. 
Okay. And that was the extent of the 
22 
conversation, at least as to you? Whatever 
23 
conversations you had with 
, she may have called 
24 
you on the phone and she said basically is what's your 
25 
schedule? Can you come at a certain time, or what times 
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Q. 
Okay. So if she was doing cocaine or ecstasy 
2 
or xanax, again, you never saw it? 
3 
MR. HOROWITZ: Form. 
4 
THE WITNESS: No. My friends knew I didn't do 
5 
it, so some of them would try to hide it or not do 
6 
it around me. So I never really saw them, whoever 
7 
did what. 
8 
BY MR. CRITTON: 
9 
Q. 
I think you told me you've never been in a 
10 
hospital? 
11 
MR. HOROWITZ: Form. 
12 
BY MR. CRITTON: 
13 
Q. 
Right? 
14 
A. 
Not that I can recall, no. 
15 
Q. 
I asked you what you told the Palm Beach 
16 
police the first time you went to Mr. Epstein's house, 
17 
what you told them as to how you ended up going to 
18 
Epstein's. I asked you what you had told them. 
19 
Now my question to you is I never asked you 
20 
what you told the FBI. At this point I'm beyond that, 
21 
so let me ask this question. 
22 
How did you first hear that other people in 
23 
your grade or at school were going to Mr. Epstein's 
24 
home? Who did you hear that from? 
25 
A. 
I mean I just remember the first time I heard 
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about it was 
asking me to go. And then after that, 
2 
I just remember Jane Doe 4 talking about it and then 
3 
4 
Q. 
And you said 
. asked you to go. And at 
5 
that time I think you said it was, you remembered it 
6 
being in gym class or something like that. 
7 
A. 
Yes. 
8 
Q. 
And 
. was in your grade? 
9 
A. 
, but anybody could 
10 
have gym together. 
11 
Q. 
So what specifically did 
. say to you, your 
12 
best recollection? 
13 
A. 
She asked me if, if I needed a job and if I 
14 
needed money, and then she asked me if I knew how to 
15 
give a massage. And I said yes, but not professionally. 
16 
And she told me that was fine. 
17 
And then she told me how she knows a guy that 
18 
lives in Palm Beach and will pay me if I give a massage. 
19 
Q. 
You had been to Palm Beach before? 
20 
A. 
Yes. 
21 
Q. 
And I assume based on what you told me earlier 
22 
you had been to the beach in Palm Beach? 
23 
A. 
Yes. 
24 
Q. 
And had your dad driven you over there in Palm 
25 
Beach because this is where I work, this is the kind of 
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A. 
No. 
2 
Q. 
All right. She just said "If you want a job, 
3 
you want to make some money, you have to give a 
4 
massage." 
5 
You said, "I'm not a professional, but I've 
6 
given massages before"? 
7 
A. 
Yes. 
8 
Q. 
Who had you ever given a massage to? 
9 
A. 
I don't remember, just girlfriends mainly, 
10 
like back massages. 
11 
Q. 
So did you ask 
. when she said, you know, 
12 
you can make some money, did she tell you how much you 
13 
could make? 
14 
A. 
Yeah, I think she said $200. 
15 
Q. 
And did she say whether she was going to make 
16 
any money? 
17 
A. 
No. 
18 
Q. 
And did you say okay, did you say "Yeah, I'm 
19 
interested"; or "No, I'm not interested, let me think 
20 
about it"? 
21 
A. 
I told her I was interested. 
22 
Q. 
Why were you interested in any way 
well, 
23 
let me ask you this. Did you say "Well, where exactly 
24 
is the massage going take place?" 
25 
A. 
I didn't ask her any of the details. I just 
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remember us going there. 
2 
Q. 
And 
drove? 
3 
A. 
Yes. 
4 
Q. 
What did she have at the time? Did she have a 
5 
car, a truck, SUV? 
6 
A.
7 
Q. 
What did it look like, do you remember? 
B 
A. 
9 
Q. 
, all right. Now before you went, did 
10 
you talk with her again and say "Okay, what am I 
11 
supposed to wear?" 
12 
A. 
No. That first conversation, she just told me 
13 
to dress cute. 
14 
Q. 
Dress cute? 
15 
A. 
Yeah. 
16 
Q. 
What's that mean to you or what did that mean 
17 
to you? 
18 
A. 
I don't know. I just wore like my bathing 
19 
suit, because she said -- like we were planning on going 
20 
to the beach after. And then I wore a skirt and a tank 
21 
top? 
22 
Q. 
So you wore a bathing suit, tank top, skirt 
23 
and like flip-flops? 
24 
A. 
Uh huh. 
25 
Q. 
Yes? 
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was interested in making money, I guess. 
2 
Q. 
So when is the next time you and 
. had some 
3 
conversation about it? 
4 
A. 
The next time is she just, I'm pretty sure 
5 
like when I actually went there. 
6 
Q. 
Did she say at school, "Hey, we're going to go 
7 
on Tuesday" or whatever? 
8 
A. 
I don't remember. 
9 
Q. 
On any of the times that you ever went to 
10 
Mr. Epstein's, did you ever miss school to go? 
11 
A. 
I went on -- no, I usually went after school. 
12 
Q. 
What time? What time did you get out of 
13 
school, like two, three o'clock? 
14 
A. 
Yes. 
15 
Q. 
So you would go after you got out of school? 
16 
A. 
Yes. 
17 
Q. 
And on the first occasion, how did you know 
18 
that you were going to go a particular day? 
19 
A. 
III. told me. I guess she made plans with 
20 
or Jeffrey. 
21 
Q. 
Tell me what you know, not what you guess. So 
22 
let me ask you again. What did 
say to you? 
23 
A. 
I don't remember exactly. I just remember her 
24 
asking me, and then I forget how we actually, when we 
25 
made plans to go there, like what day, but -- and then I 
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MR. HOROWITZ: Form. 
2 
BY MR. CRITTON: 
3 
Q. 
Or something like that? 
A. 
I'm sure I did. I don't remember exactly what 
5 
I told her. 
6 
Q. 
All right. So at that point, that is, after 
7 
that, describe that as a pretty miserable experience for 
you yourself? 
A. 
Yes. 
_O 
Q. 
So this miserable experience having occurred, 
11 
I assume you made a decision right then and there that 
12 
you would never go back to Mr. Epstein's house, because 
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why would you put yourself in such a situation which was 
14 
awkward, where you would be weird, you would be scared, 
15 
nervous, anxious, and what he did from your view was 
16 
inappropriate and uncomfortable for you? 
17 
MR. HOROWITZ: Form. 
18 
THE WITNESS: Well, you know I went eight to 
19 
ten times, so obviously you know I went back after 
20 
that. 
21 
BY MR. CRITTON: 
22 
Q. 
That's my question to you, was if you found 
23 
the situation awkward, weird, you were scared, nervous, 
24 
you felt what he did was inappropriate and you were 
25 
uncomfortable and confused and you felt that 
. had 
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anybody, and then other girls started going, and that's 
2 
when I believe III. asked me about it or III., one of 
3 
them. And that's when I took one of those girls. 
4 
Q. 
All right. So on the second occasion is when 
5 
you took somebody else? 
6 
A. 
Yes. 
7 
Q. 
All right. So on the second occasion you took 
8 
either 
. or III., right? 
9 
A. 
Yes. 
10 
Q. 
Do you remember which one now, having thought 
11 
about it? 
12 
13 
14 
was 
A. 
No. I mean I know -- now I'm pretty sure it 
• 
not 
., but I can't remember which one I 
took first. 
15 
Q. 
All right. And, all right, on the second 
16 
occasion you said 
called you and asked you whether 
17 
18 
19 
20 
you wanted to come back or whether you had someone else 
that would like to come? 
A. 
Yeah, she said either. 
Q. 
All right. And did she say to you when she 
21 
called you "Do you have someone else that would like to 
22 
give Mr. Epstein a massage?" 
23 
A. 
Yes. 
24 
Q. 
Or did she say to come and work? What did she 
25 
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say? 
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A. 
She asked me both if I wanted to come work or 
2 
if I knew somebody what wanted to come work. 
3 
Q. 
Those were her exact words? 
4 
MR. HOROWITZ: Form. 
5 
THE WITNESS: Pretty much. 
6 
BY MR. CRITTON: 
7 
Q. 
When she said that -- again, you have never 
8 
texted with 
, have you? 
9 
A. 
I don't remember. I don't think so. 
10 
Q. 
You never communicated by Facebook or social 
11 
networking with 
12 
A. 
No. 
13 
Q. 
Or anyone on behalf of Mr. Epstein? 
14 
MR. HOROWITZ: Form. 
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THE WITNESS: No. 
16 
BY MR. CRITTON: 
17 
Q. 
All right. And when you talked with 
and 
18 
she said would you like to come and work or do you have 
19 
a friend that would like to come and work, you said 
20 
what? 
21 
A. 
I told her that I didn't know and that I would 
22 
call her back. 
23 
Q. 
And did you at that time -- how much time had 
24 
passed since the time you were there the first time? 
25 
A. 
I'm not sure. I think like two weeks or so. 
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A. 
I don't remember. 
2 
Q. 
What was her reputation around school? 
3 
A. 
It was good. 
4 
Q. 
All right. So what did you do? Did you call 
5 
aback 
and say "Yep, I'm bringing a friend"? 
6 
A. 
No. Mill actually called me again, and then 
7 
I told her that I, yes, I had a friend that wanted to 
8 
come, M. 
9 
Q. 
And she said, 
said "Okay, just set up a 
10 
time"? 
11 
A. 
Yes. 
12 
Q. 
And did you set up a time and did you take 
13 
. there? 
14 
A. 
I don't remember. 
15 
Q. 
., was she driving at the time? 
16 
A. 
Yes. 
17 
Q. 
Did you say you were in the same class? 
18 
A. 
Yes. 
19 
Q. 
So one of the two of you drove, and I think 
20 
you told us earlier maybe III. went, you just don't 
21 
remember, or you think just the two of you went? 
22 
A. 
I don't remember. 
23 
Q. 
So you drive over there. Did 
. ask you any 
24 
questions as you were going over there? 
25 
A. 
I don't remember. 
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her like it had been to you? 
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MR. HOROWITZ: Form. 
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THE WITNESS: She didn't go into any detail. 
4 
I'm sure she was embarrassed. 
5 
BY MR. CRITTON: 
Q. 
As you had been, right? 
7 
A. 
Yes. 
8 
Q. 
Okay. And did she say anything else? 
9 
A. 
Not that I can remember. 
10 
Q. 
To your knowledge, did 
. ever go back to 
11 
Mr. Epstein's? 
12 
A. 
I don't know. 
13 
Q. 
You never took her? 
14 
A. 
No. I never took her again. 
15 
Q. 
All right. On the third occasion that you 
16 
went to Mr. Epstein's, is this when you would have taken 
17 
18 
A. 
Yes, I believe so. 
19 
Q. 
So the third time, how did that happen? 
20 
A. 
I don't remember exactly. I just remember me 
21 
taking her there. I think I might have drove, and 
22 
basically the same thing with 
23 
Q. 
Did you tell III. what your experience had 
24 
been? 
25 
A. 
Yes, but she also heard about it from other 
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this occasion? 
2 
A. 
I believe 
and maybe 
the girl, 
3 
girl. 
4 
Q. 
I'm sorry, 
and, and
5 
A. 
Yeah, 
6 
Q. 
You pull into the kitchen. Was the cook 
7 
there? 
8 
A. 
I think so, yeah. There was usually a cook 
9 
there. 
10 
Q. 
Did you have anything to eat? 
11 
A. 
I don't remember. 
12 
Q. 
So you sat in the kitchen and did 
take 
13 
upstairs? 
14 
A. 
Yes. 
15 
Q. 
How long was she up there, about 30 minutes? 
16 
A. 
Yes. 
17 
Q. 
She comes back down. Did Mr. Epstein come 
18 
back down again? 
19 
A. 
Umm, umm, actually I think that was the time 
20 
that 
brought me up there and Jeffrey was, was in 
21 
like a smaller room kind of by the bathroom. 
22 
And he gave me the money and he said something 
23 
like "good job," and then just tried to grab my butt 
24 
again. And then I was kind of like pulled away, and he 
25 
gave me the money and then 
. came out and then we 
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Q. 
Did they ever call for help when they were 
2 
there? 
3 
A. 
No. 
4 
Q. 
Did you after the first visit ever call the 
5 
Palm Beach Police Department? 
6 
A. 
No. 
7 
Q. 
Okay. Did 
. ever say, "You know what? 
8 
This guy did something unappropriate, we should call the 
9 
police"? 
10 
A. 
No. 
11 
Q. 
How about 
. and you? Did 
. say anything 
12 
to you about calling the police that maybe what was 
13 
going on was inappropriate? 
14 
A. 
No. 
15 
Q. 
All right. So you made another 200 bucks for 
16 
taking somebody else, right? 
17 
A. 
Yes. 
18 
Q. 
Okay. The fourth time now you went, how did 
19 
it happen that you went a fourth time? 
20 
A. 
I just heard about, you know, girls going, and 
21 
then I just needed money and 
like kept calling me, 
22 
so then I just decided to go back, but it's hard to 
23 
distinct from time to time. I just remember like major 
24 
things that happened when I was there. 
25 
Q. 
Okay. The fourth time, you say you needed 
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kitchen. One time I saw a little girl there. One time 
2 
I saw the 
girl there. 
was usually always 
3 
there. 
4 
Q. 
Can you tell me, can you identify the fourth 
5 
time and what happened at the fourth time? 
6 
A. 
I think the fourth time was when he was in the 
7 
shower and I went up there. 
8 
Q. 
So you went up. Did IIIII take you up or you 
9 
just knew how to get up there? 
10 
A. 
I think she took me up. 
11 
Q. 
Okay. Now this is the fourth time you went. 
12 
You went one time, you were, you felt the situation 
13 
completely inappropriate, you were traumatized, you were 
14 
scared and confused. 
15 
The next two times you take friends. You 
16 
explain to them what was going to go on, and they knew, 
17 
they heard it from other people. 
18 
Why did you put yourself in a position to go 
19 
back now a second time yourself after the first 
20 
experience was traumatic and awful for you? 
21 
MR. HOROWITZ: Form. 
22 
THE WITNESS: I don't know, I just, I wanted 
23 
money. And I mean a lot of my high school 
24 
25 
girlfriends were going and I thought it was kind of 
like, you know, getting to be normal almost. And I 
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that. 
2 
Q. 
Did he ever pay you more than $200? 
3 
A. 
No. 
4 
Q. 
So he always paid you $200? 
5 
A. 
Yes. 
6 
Q. 
Okay. Now on that occasion, on the sixth now, 
7 
you say again -- well, were you on the fifth or the 
8 
sixth? 
9 
A. 
They kind of blend together for me, so --
10 
Q. 
On the fifth or the sixth, what happened 
11 
again -- now let's go to the sixth. What happened 
12 
differently on the sixth than the fifth? 
13 
MR. HOROWITZ: Form. 
14 
THE WITNESS: I honestly can't remember every 
15 
visit. I just remember like really the things that 
16 
stood out. Like it's so painful for me to 
17 
remember, like I don't know, it's hard to bring 
18 
back up, and I just remember the main things that 
19 
happened. 
20 
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21 
Q. 
Well, at some visit, whether it was the fifth 
22 
or the sixth, you say he tried to touch your breasts. 
23 
You moved away from him and said you didn't feel 
24 
comfortable with that. 
25 
A. 
Yes. 
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you, and I think -- well, let me strike that. 
2 
When I asked you earlier, I think you said 
3 
that ME 
never texted you through the phone, nor did 
4 
she ever communicate with you over the computer, 
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correct? 
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A. 
I don't believe, I definitely never had any 
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e-mails or computer, but I don't think she ever texted 
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me. 
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Q. 
All right. And the only communication 
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separate and apart from the conversation that you had 
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with 
or the voice message that she left you when 
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you were with the Palm Beach police and they were 
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interviewing you, all other calls for 
were dealing 
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with could you come or could you bring someone else to 
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come to work? 
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MR. HOROWITZ: Form. 
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THE WITNESS: Yes. 
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BY MR. CRITTON: 
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Q. 
And you understood that to mean could you come 
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and give Mr. Epstein a massage? 
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MR. HOROWITZ: Form. 
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THE WITNESS: Yes. Well, she said 
well, 
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basically, yeah. 
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BY MR. CRITTON: 
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Q. 
And she never, that is, 
never said to 
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you "I want you to come to work to provide sexual 
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services for Mr. Epstein"? 
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She never said that, did she? 
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MR. HOROWITZ: Form. 
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THE WITNESS: No. 
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BY MR. CRITTON: 
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Q. 
All right. And based on what you told me, 
just told me, 
never attempted to persuade or to 
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induce or to entice you to engage in any sexual conduct 
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with Mr. Epstein during any phone conversation, did she? 
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MR. HOROWITZ: Form. 
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THE WITNESS: Just the massages and basically 
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that. 
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BY MR. CRITTON: 
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Q. 
Right. And she's the only one who ever called 
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you, true? 
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A. 
I think so. 
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Q. 
Has anyone, separate and apart from the 
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allegations you have made in this complaint, has anyone 
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ever attempted to sexually assault you or to rape you? 
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A. 
No. 
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Q. 
At any time? Have you ever been attacked by 
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anyone? 
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A. 
No. 
25 
Q. 
Other than your 
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