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FBI VOL00009
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Name:
Date: November 17, 2009
biological father is around 50 years of age and lives in North Carolina. He has remarried. She
has been in contact with him a few times during the last year. She talks with him on a regular basis by phone.
He currently works as a salesman for Ina
a window and door company. She states that her father has
no physical or mental health problems. She notes that through her father's marriage, she has two additional
stepbrothers, who are her stepmother's children.
When asked why her biologic parents got a divorce,
stated that her father was "an angry guy." She
commented, "then again he was Italian, so all Italians have somewhat of a snap to them." She notes that she is
Italian on her father's side and English on her mother's side.
notes that her mother still does
maintain contact with her biologic father.
knows of no mental illness, alcohol or substance abuse problems, or any suicides in her extended
family.
CHILDHOOD HISTORY:
During childhood, ages 5 to 12 (her age range),
notes she had lots of friends and that she was a
good student. She liked to have fun. She was a cheerleader and enjoyed going to football games. She
frequently cheered for her brothers' peewee and flag football teams. She states the home environment was
"hectic," that there was "never a dull moment," and that "there was a lot going on all the time" in a house with
seven children. She reports no serious epicM.s of domestic violence, but stated that her brothers would
wrestle each other "like boys always do." There was one episode of arguing that
was aware of,
when her stepfather pushed her mother down on a couch. (N.B. This is in stark contrast to the comments
made to Dr. Kliman and police reports indicating that the police were called to the house many times for
domestic violence issues between her biological father, mother, and stepfather; her stepfather and her brother,
and her stepbrother and her mother.)
was disciplined by losing her computer privileges. She denied ever being spanked. As an
adolescent, she denied any domestic violence issues involving her, ("mot with me"). She notes that there was
one incident when her stepfather physically smacked her on the cheek after she tried to interfere while he was
yelling at one of his sons. She reports there was frequent arguing in the house over issues of whose kids had
caused which problems. "It was arguing because of, once again, his kids versus my mom's kids." However,
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Name: Date: November 17, 2009 she states this arguing did not really affect her and was not a big thing since she generally kept to herself. When there was arguing, she withdrew, hung out with friends, or would stay in her room and paint her nails or play with her dolls. (NB. Again, stark contrast to what she reported to Dr. Kliman and where she identifies family strife/arguing being a big problem, that she would routinely "hide" when her stepfather came home, and indicated that she was spanked/unfairly punished if she discussed topics within the family.) reports, in general, she was a good child, that nothing happened to her, and that the only traumatic memory in her I ife was her interaction with Jeffrey Epstein. She reports no other "sexual abuse" and no other traumatic. inappropriate, or odd situations occurred involving her. (N.B. Again, in stark contrast to what she stated to Dr. Kliman where she reported on a paper and pencil test that she, "hada sexual assault by a family member" and verbally reported to Dr. Kliman multiple occurrences where her stepbrother was sexually inappropriate and she was fearful of him.) notes that she attended church while growing up and that she still tries to attend church. Since returning to Tennessee, she is currently looking for a new church to attend. She describes herself as being spiritual and believing that there is a higher power. (NB. In summary, account of her childhood is markedly different than the account that she reported to Dr. Kliman, where she reported that there was frequent arguing in the house, that there were multiple episodes of domestic violence which she remembered that involved the police, that she was punished by spanking, that the stepfather had an anger management problem, and that people in the house were fearfid and often hid in their rooms when he returned home. She also reported to Dr. Kliman how her stepbrother with cerebral palsy was frequently sexually inappropriate with her, was found naked in her bed, had "messed" with her shoes, had come into her room in the middle of night while she was sleeping and stared at her, and had touched her sister while the sister was working on a computer. These differences do not appear to be errors of omission since was asked direct questions about domestic violence, how she was disciplined, and whether any sexual abuse or inappropriate situations occurred. In fact, she appeared to minimize negative events other than Epstein whenever possible, such as by saying "[the stepfather] might have had anger issues, but that wasn't even that bad" or that "My, my brothers would always wrestle each other like boys always do, you know, brothers," when asked about domestic violence in the house.) 22 EFTA01076528
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Name: Date: November 17, 2009 EDUCATIONAL HISTORY: reports that she completed one semester of community college in Florida, where her grades were D's, C's, and B's. She notes during that semester she was still partying, which she described as "drinking and smoking marijuana." reported she did not return to college because she moved to Virginia. She felt Florida was becoming too "fast-paced" and that "there was too much bad down here." She reported that when she initially went to community college, she was hoping to become a radiologist or radiographer. attended IIIMEMEMIIM obtaining a 2.9 GPA. She notes that she had difficulty with some math elqcses but generally performed well in school until her senior year, at which point she "slowly sank." She believes her grades slipped at that time because she was "not really caring about [her] life anymore, not really thinking that anything mattered because [she] just felt useless after [Epstein)." She notes that Epstein was a big part for why she felt that way (e.g., loss of control), but she notes other factors such as "my father wasn't [my real father], my real father wasn't around, . . I had three step [brothers], [and) I lived in a house full of seven kids, ... but your attention isn't always put towards you." (This seems contradictory to her earlier statements that her mother was her best friend and that she could tell her anything. This does seem to be more consistent with the history she gave Dr. Kliman, where she reported feeling that she could not talk with anyone, that she was always in the middle, that if she acted badly she would be punished, and that no one would believe her when she talked about her stepbrother touching her inappropriately.) MEI reports that she never repeated any grades in school and was never in any special education classes. In middle school, she received a spirit award in the 71° grade and a science award for being a "good camper" at a science camp in the 8th grade. She received no awards in high school. reported that she tried out for cheerleading in the 9ih grade, but backed out because she did not like the stereotype of cheerleaders being "ditzy" even though she had previously enjoyed being a cheerleader for her brother's youth football games and in middle school. Insister part of the interview, she stated, "Well, I felt happy. When I was cheerleading, I was extremely happy. I was a good cheerleader and I loved to do that, and then I stopped cheerleading." This may suggest depressive symptoms starting at the beginning of her high school years. reports no suspensions or expulsions from school. She received one detention for a dress code violation. She reports she smoked marijuana during her senior year of high school and frequently drank in order to deal with/get way from "guys that I had sex with, my friends telling me that I was a whore. It was 23 EFTA01076529
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Name: Date: November 17, 2009 mostly just guys." She notes that she "cared" before she started smoking marijuana or drinking. She stated that previously she had the attitude that she was not going to do drugs, but in the end, she "gave up and gave in." reports that she is currently enrolled in Motlow State Community College in Tennessee. She would like to obtain a degree in health and physical fitness. She plans to start attending classes in January 2010. EMPLOYMENT HISTORY: notes that she first worked for a traveling petting zoo when she was 13 or 14 and believes she was paid approximately $50/day. She later worked for Papa John's for about a year, when she was 15. She also worked at II Mugs, which later became The Brass Ring Pub; an Italian restaurant named Pasquale's; Publix as a cashier; Petco in Virginia; Chili's; RiteAid; the café that her parents own; Richbrau Brewing Company; The Three Monkeys; Abercrombie and Fitch; and restaurants called Glory Days and Woody's Barbeque. initially reported she was never fired from a job. Her longest period of employment was a year while working at The Brass Ring. She reports she frequently left one job for another because she wanted a different environment. She liked learning about different places and jobs. However, later in the interview, she reported that she was fired from Glory Days restaurant because she "made the employer feel uncomfortable." (NB. Inconsistent history) states that she never worked as an adult entertainer. She noted that when she was 19 or 20, she would show up high on marijuana when she worked at Petco and Chili's. MILITARY HISTORY: reports no military history. RELATIONSHIP HISTORY: stated that she started dating at age 15, that she had approximately five significant relation.slips, and that she "fell in love" with every guy that she was in a significant relationship with. She notes her first significant relationship was at age 15 with an individual named and that they dated for three 24 EFTA01076530
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Name: Date: November 17, 2009 months. She noted that he had "a different style." He was Caucasian, spoke Spanish, and was "prep ghetto." did not like the kids he hung out with because they were "dumb." He smoked marijuana and drank. She did not approve of his substance abuse. She broke up with him, in part, due to his ongoing drinking and drug use. She was also concerned that he might be cheating on her due to his general lifestyle. She noted that had been arrested before they started dating. next significant relationship was with a who was about 17 when she was 15. She notes he was a childhood friend and that they dated for approximately six months. He started smoking marijuana, got in trouble for theft, and was arrested for breaking and entering and vandalizing buildings. He had a twin brother, who she believes was a bad influence on him. She ended the relationship because of his criminal behavior. She had no concern of him cheating on her. next significant relationship was with a, who was 16 years old when she was 16. They dated for three months. She noted that mother interfered with their relationship and that is why it ended. "stayed friends" with him and still feels that he is a nice guy. She was not concerned that he ever cheated on her because she was always with him. Her next significant relationship was with when they were both 19. They dated for three months and broke up when she became pregnant. She got an abortion and they began dating again for about a year. She notes that the relationship ended because they were "headed in different directions." She reports that he was a manager at a Home Depot store, but smoked marijuana approximately five times a day. She had concerns that might cheat on her. then started dating her current boyfriend,, whom she had known for many years. She notes that he is a good guy who knows how to make her smile. He is her age. They have been dating for about a year. He lives in Virginia, where he works at a pizza restaurant. His hobby is skateboarding and he rides "flow status," meaning that he receives merchandise from sponsors, but is not paid a salary. He plans to attend John Taylor Community College. She has been living in a different state (Tennessee) than. for the last three months. They had lived together prior to her move. They started to live apart after she was involved in a serious auto accident, in which she broke her pelvis and fractured her tailbone, but did not require surgery. She returned to Tennessee to be with her family while she was recovering. 25 EFTA01076531
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Name: Date: November 17, 2009 notes that. is the most positive person she has ever dated: that he smiles, is polite, is nice, and that he communicates well with her. At times, she holds back telling him what she is thinking. She stated initially that she had frequent concerns that he was cheating on her because he is away from home frequently due to his skateboarding and is around other girls. She states this fear causes arguments between them. She has never caught him cheating. She believes her fear of him cheating is, in part, due to "I just have thought that I'm not good enough for one person to want to be with just mu" She notes, "I am trying to quiet those thoughts, and I'm trying to learn to trust him because lie is such a great guy ... he doesn't deserve to hear my made-up thoughts. She notes that she loves ■ and believes that he loves her and that someday they will many. SEXUAL HISTORY: She notes that she has had approximately 35 sexual partners. She lost her virginity at are 15 to (We- Epstein). It was a "memorable experience" and she thought it was a "good experience" because it was with a boyfriend and with someone she cared about. She states that her mom talked with her about sex afterward, but that she had received sex education in the sixth grade. She notes that she was not as experienced as her friends at age 15, although she believes she may have been the first one in her group to become sexually active. She states that no boyfriend has ever asked her to do anything that she was uncomfortable with and that she would make her own decisions to go along with any act they suggested. notes that she has only had sex with males. She had one experience intimately kissing a woman at age 18. This occurred during a period when she was drinking and she, a boy from school, and a girl friend decided to all be physically intimate in a car. She notes that she was intimate with the boy, her friend was intimate with the boy, and in the process, she kissed her friend with an "open mouth" kiss, but there was no other sexual contact between them. Another episode of group sex occurred when she ended up having sex in the same room with another couple during her senior year of high school. She notes that the two males involved were best friends and that she was with , one of her best friends at the time. She notes that they were all good friends. They had had a great day of fun at the beach and returned to a house they were staying at. She ended up having sex 26 EFTA01076532
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Name: Date: November 17, 2009 on the floor on one side of the bed and her frienell. and the other boy had sex on the floor on the other side of the bed. She notes that she tried anal sex at approximately age 18, that it hurt, and that she stopped. She later tried it again with her current boyfriend, She notes she had successful anal intercourse with. She notes that her boyfriend. has also inserted his finger into her anus. She has given and received oral sex. She noted that the first time she did this was with her second boyfriend, • when she was 15 or 16. She reports she did not like doing it or having it done to her. She has used marital aids or toys with her current boyfriend. He has used a vibrating cockring and she has used a vibrator to self-stimulate herselL She bought her own vibrator at age 18. She notes that she had trouble achieving orgasm when she first started dating. She is able to attain an orgasm with. and when she self-stimulates. She reports at no time has anyone ever taken explicithmde pictures of her. She used chocolate body paint at age 18. She reports that she likes matching lingerie. At age 18, she tried dressing up in a provocative Halloween-type firefighter costume once. She has not engaged in another type of activity, which she thinks may be fetishistic or possibly unusual. She has never contracted a sexually transmitted disease. notes that between the middle of her 1 1 th grade year to her first semester at Palm Beach Community College, there was a period when she was "sex crazy." She states that she "felt that she needed to be with guys" and that she needed somebody to protect her and to protect her from other guys. She states she believes that men wanted to have sex, and that if she did what they wanted, they would stay with her. Later in the interview she stated, "It was every single day, had to be with somebody, had to have sex. If I didn't have sex, I wasn't feeling happy." states that her main friends, and had frequently told her that she was gaining a bad reputation and that she needed to stop sleeping around. She could see that she was "losing herself' with the drinking and sex, but wasn't sure how to stop. She did not want to talk to anybody about her sex life because she felt ashamed of what she was doing. She stated she did not like the person that she had become. reports that she used condoms until the time she met . She had trouble keeping track of her birth control and made mistakes on the timing of when to take the pills. She believes this is why she became 27 EFTA01076533
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Name: Date: November 17, 2009 pregnant. She notes that was the first stable guy she dated after Epstein and the "sexual extravaganza." She stated that she took the relationship slow with and waited a while before she kissed him or had sex with him, trying to break her "bad habits." The pregnancy with was not planned. She told her mother she was pregnant and her mother told her she would support any choice she made. The decision to terminate the pregnancy was a difficult one for to make. notes that she decided to terminate the pregnancy because she was still young, did not want "[her] life to stop," did not have support from for having the child, and was not grown up enough to take care of another person. states that she initially wanted to have the baby, but did not, and she did not want to raise a child alone. obtained the Abortion at the Planned Parenthood near Richmond, Virginia. She reports the abortion cost approximately $400-500. paid half of it and she got money from mother, who was like "a second mother" to MM. (N.B. was also involved in. recent car accident). states that she was under anesthesia during the abortion, that the procedure took approximately 15 minutes, and she believes that it was a vacuum abortion. She states she has never taken any morning-after pills or any abortion pills. notes that after the abortion, she was sad for two weeks and was upset that she and broke up because of the abortion. She stated initially after the procedure, she would feel sad when she saw a TV commercial about children or families. She notes that in her currant relationship, when she and ■ are together, they have sex on a daily basis and that it is satisfying for both of them. TRAUMA HISTORY: notes that was a good friend. passed away at age 20 while was living in Virginia. She states that a semi truck ran a red light and hit car, killing her. stated that she had known since the 9th grade. was one of her best friends, who had been very supportive of her while she was going through a rough time in her relationship with loss still upsets even after approximately two years has passed. became tearful while discussing death. notes she has had other friends who have died. One of whom was a friend named= who died in an auto accident when was 18. a boy casually dated in the 12th 28 EFTA01076534
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Name: Date: November 17, 2009 grade, was gunned down at a party. was not at the scene when it occurred. reported that the loss of her friends at such a young age, "got me sad thinking about how life could be so short." MOVING HISTORY: was born in Buffalo, New York. She moved to Florida when she was approximately one year old. Her mother and stepfather moved to Virginia when she was in approximately the 46 or 5th grade. They moved back to Florida when she was in the 7th grade. She notes she initially liked Virginia and did not want to move, although she was somewhat hopeful that she could reconnect with old Florida friends when she did move back, which did not happen. She continued to live in Florida until after her first semester at community college. (Approximately age 18 years old) She then moved back to Virginia, where she still had some friends. then moved from Virginia to Tennessee for the first time, when her lease was up on her apartment in Virginia. She states initially she did not want to continue to date ■ when she left Virginia because she did not think a long distance relationship would work, especially with her worries over people being unfaithful. She notes, however, that when she moved to Tennessee, she and II talked every day on the phone and she was able to maintain the relationship. She lived with her family in Tennessee for approximately five months and then moved back to Virginia to live with ■. She again moved from Virginia back to Tennessee after her auto accident in 2009. She reports that she has had no periods of homelessness. LEGAL HISTORY: reports that she has received two speeding tickets, with the fastest being--29 mph over the speed lintitzuld the second —15 mph over the speed limit She has never been charged with DUI, reckless or careless driving. She notes that when she first lived in Virginia, the police were called to a party that she was having at her apartment and that she was ticketed for underage drinking. She notes that the judge told her "this is your lucky day" and that if she did not have any other legal problems, he would drop the charges. SUBSTANCE ABUSE HISTORY: states that she started drinking Alcohol at age 17 at a New Year's Eve Party. (N.B. In the interview with Dr. Kliman, she reports going to parties and drinking before Epstein, which would make her first use of alcohol occur earlier.) She notes that she frequently drank to have fiin and to "forget about the day." At her maximum, she would consume eighltatentaeopkorleas. She notes that she developed tolerance. She has never experienced any withdrawal symptoms when she stopped drinking. For negative 29 EFTA01076535
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Name: Date: November 17, 2009 consequences, she notes that she would frequently have sex when intoxicated. She has never received any treatment for alcohol abuse. She reports that the last time she drank was at a friend's birthday one week ago and that she drank a couple of margaritas and some beers. In general, the amount she has been drinking is less currently, but she still has times when she returns to old patterns of drinking from 7:00pm until 1:00am. She notes that she is trying to cut down; that she does feel guilty about the amount she is drinking, usually related to having a hangover, that she does not become annoyed or angry if people say she is drinking too much; and that she just tells them that they "don't know what they are talking about." She does not require an eye-opener. would participate in drinking games when she went to parties. She notes that she would frequently drink to the point of vomiting and that for approximately a two-year period during her junior and senior years of high school, she drank to the point of vomiting once a week. She reports periods of blacking out when drinking alcohol and that, during her senior year in school, she was out even, night looking for a party in order to get drunk. She notes never having any cravings for alcohol, no drug dreams, and never having missed work because of alcohol. reports that she first tried marijuana in the wade. She stated that she used approximately 1/16 of an ounce. When asked to further quantify, she notes at her maximum, she used four joints a day or g S45 amount. She developed tolerance to it. She reports the withdrawal symptom of "wanting more." She would smoke as an alternative to seeking male companionship (e.g., "If I had a problem, instead of going to guys for every answer, I would just smoke it away.) She noted as negative consequences that she would forget conversations and that the marijuana would affect her memory. She received no treatment for her marijuana abuse. She does not believe she ever received laced marijuana and she did not intentionally dip or put PCP on it. She has tried to decrease her use. She last smoked at a birthday party one week before the interview. reports first trying cocaine at age 21, in the house where she was living with She had used cocaine five times. She reports no tolerance, no withdrawal symptoms, no negative consequences, or ever receiving treatment for cocaine use. She reports her last use was five to six months ago. She stated that she fast used LSD (hallucinogen) at age 19 or 20, while living in Virginia. She has used it three times and reports "good trips." She noted that she tried mushrooms (hallucinogen) once approximately six months ago and that she felt the effects for a couple of hours. 30 EFTA01076536
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Name: Date: November 17, 2009 She stated that she has used inhalants such as whippets, which she repotted were nitrous oxide, 15 times while living in the house she shared with ■ in Virginia. notes that her mother gave her Xanax (benzodiazepines) for anxiety attacks, which she describes as periods when she wanted to cry. She also notes that she would buy)(anax on thQstreet and that she would use it approximately twice a month. She would either buy the blue "football-looking" pills or the "French fry" type. also notes that she got Percocet (narcotic) from a boy who she had sex with. also notes that she has taken Adderall (stimulant medication/controlled substances) without a ftmstii. She got the Adderall from a roommate in Virginia, who said that it would help with concentration and help with getting things done. reports she had taken Adderall less than 10 times over a two-year period of time and states that she does it "When I had a big or a busy day the next day, when I needed to be motivated, when I needed to pick myself up." She notes that she has feelings of euphoria when she takes Adderall. states that she has never sold drugs, but notes that her brother used to "hunt for mushrooms" and that she would connect her brother with "rednecks" that she knew, who were looking to buy drugs. She states she never personally profited from these transactions. notes that she pays for her drugs with the money that she earns and that she has never traded sex for food, shelter, or drugs. She reports never using heroin or any IV drugs such as other narcotics, cocaine or methamphetamines. She states that she smoked cigarettes for two years when she moved to Virginia, but that she is not currently smoking. reports that she drinks a cup of coffee a day, but that she has cut out drinking sodas for the last three months since her car accident. Prior to that, she would drink a couple of regular Coca Colas a day. 31 EFTA01076537
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Name: Date: November 17. 2009 PARTIES: states that alcohol was always present when she went to parties. She noted that during house parties, where people would be in the house or in the yard, they frequently played drinking card games There were frequently beer pongs at the parties. She notes that when she went to the parties, the "redneck crowd" would always defend their territory and asked guys they didn't like to leave. There were frequent fights between the "guys." The size of the parties varied from 15 to 50 people. She notes that she went to the parties (e.g., bonfire) "because I just m& and I started hanging out with him. And then lane Doe No. 3 took me down to Mr. Epstein's house." This would imply she was attending the parties and was exposed to alcohol before meeting Epstein. (N.B. This statement is more consistent with history she provided with Dr. Kliman than the history of trying alcohol after meeting Epstein.) VIOLENCE HISTORY: notes that the most violent thing she has ever done was to get into a fight with (AKA lane Doe 3), who is the girl who introduced her to Mr. Epstein. notes the fight started due to taking her to Epstein's house and "[also] that [..] felt that I was a slut and she kept calling me that." The fight occurred at a party approximately six months after went to Epstein's. noted that she carried a baseball bat under the front seat of her truck. She stated "I would carry it underneath the seat in my truck because I always had fears that I would be taken advantage of, because I was -- everybody kept telling me I was such a little girl. And I was always out until all hours of the night, and I needed to be careful. And I just felt hie if I didn't have a guy with me, I would have to be able to defend myself with another, another way." PLAINTIFF'S RECOUNTING OF INTERACTIONS WITH JEFFREY EPSTEIN: reports she met Mr. Epstein was when she was 16 or 17 year's old and in the 11th grade. (Per police interview on 12/13/05, she was 16 years old; however she frequently reports her age as 17, as she did when interviewed by Dr. Kliman, making it difficult to confirm dates to determine facts pre or post Epstein.) She did not know the exact date of the meeting, but did recall that it was before Christmas reports that had written her a note during class asking her if she wanted to "make some extra cash for the holidays." her large family. was interested in making some additional money in order to purchases holiday gifts for 32 EFTA01076538
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Name: Date: November 17, 2009 Initially told "all you have to do is come with me to a massage, to like massage, kind of like a place to go to where there would be other people in the same facility... You could just go there, make some cash and leave, you know." was under the impression that it would be a facility, that there would be older guys there, and that she did not need to have any experience in order to give massages. notes that told her that she would be paid $200 for giving a massage and that "if you tell anyone, I will beat your ass." 2 Per she told "yeah, that sounds great." did not find it odd that she did not need to be a certified or experienced masseuse, that she was threatened with physical violence if she told, or that it was older men. believed that the reason threatened her was because was "embarrassed" about giving older men massages. After the initial conversation, a couple of weeks went by before called and asked her if she wanted to go give a message that day. agreed to go after she finished working her shift at Publix supermarket. On the drive over to Mr. Epstein's house, "slowly" learned about what was going to happen during her visit, but she states she did not know the MI circumstances of what she agreed to. reports she knew that Mr. Epstein would ask her to take off her shirt and pants. She was okay with that beerm‘P it was like being in a bathing suit and "[She] didn't think anything of it." (N.B. In adherent part of the interview, made statements which suggest that she knew she would be uncomfortable in this setting such as "[when having intercourse (pre-Epstein)] I always kept my shirt on and my bra because I felt uncomfortable being naked")'. stated, "I wasn't thinking that anyone was going to be touching me. I was the person giving the massage. I was the one in control, putting my hands wherever I --on the body, on their back. I just thought back, shoulders, legs, feet." Even though had worked five or six hours at 2 A. It was, I would, I would say right before, a little bit before me and Jane Doe No. 3 t=ll) got into a fight, I started getting scared of her. And I just was kind of waiting for the day that she would want to hurt me... Because I didn't know, because that had happened when she took me to Epstein and I didn't ever want to go back again. And I thought she was just going to think that I had told somehodY. wing to come aficr 3 Q. Again, don't mean to be confrontational here, but on one hand you said 'I WAS told I was going to be in my bra and my underwear, and I thought, hey, it's no different than a bathing suit' On the other hand, you are saying I always kept a bra or a shirt on even when I was with someone that was being intimate with. Do you understand how those two... A. Conflict with each other? ...'they do. For some reason, it wasn't — I didn't, I didn't -- when I feel towards people, when I feel towards a guy that I'm dating them and I am having sex with them, and I like them and I want them to like me, I don't want to show them all of me. But when --he, he was just... Q. It was easier because it was a stranger? A. It was — I didn't think anybody who had - my vision of how you get a massage, your head is facing the ground. I didn't think anybody was going to be looking at me. I didn't think anybody was going to be judging me. I didn't think that he was going to flip over and start fondling himself and then touching me. I just — 33 EFTA01076539
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Name: Date: November 17, 2009 Publix before going to Mr. Epstein's house, she had no concern over the condition of her undergarments even though she had just learned she would be giving a message in her underwear. (In her statement to police, she reported she had worn thong panties.) stated that told her that if anybody asked. "you need to say you are over 18 years old" when they arrived at Mr. Epstein's House. reports that she told that she is not a good liar and asked to answer that question if they were asked. Once realized she was at a private residence and not a public facility, she was concerned that she might become stranded if she did not continue to go along, since was the one who drove her there. After all "MN) already threatened to beat me a] up." When was asked if she had a cell phone with her, she said that when she was in the car she did, but she did not consider calling anyone she knew, such as her mother, brothers or a friend to come pick her (Of note,a, at other times, called her mother to come pick her up when "[she"' had nowhere else to go," such as when she had too much to drink). Later, stated she did waiver on whether or not to call her mother, but decided against it because she wanted to make the money to buy gifts, that she was doing something on her own, and that she did not feel she needed her mother's permission. still did not think that anything "bad" was going to happen to her even though earlier she stated she was concerned about being stranded and was concerned about possibly fighting who was "twice" her size. (N.B. on some level, this is inconsistent). notes that inside the house, she met a very tall, skinny, blond, nice looking assistant, who took down her name and number and told to stay downstairs because "a) would be back before you know it." The assistant took upstairs to the massage room and left her alone there. Shortly after the assistant left, Mr. Epstein came in with a towel on and told her where the lotions were and that he would be on a business call. later stated that when Mr. Epstein first came into the room, he also told her to take off her shirt and her pants. She noted that she did so because Mr. Epstein told her to. When asked, she stated she was uncomfortable being in her underwear because she was "shy." When it was pointed out to that she was told ahead of time that she would be asked to do this, and she initially reported that she was fine with it because it would be like being in a bathing suit, stated, "Staring at me just after— not necessarily him staring at me. I just wasn't open with taking my clothes off in front of people that 34 EFTA01076540
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Name: Date: November 17, 2009 didn't know." (N.B. This account of events is factually different from the account she told Dr. Kliman, when she stated Epstein was already in the room on the table when she arrived.) noted that she started the massage by rubbing Epstein's feet. She rubbed his feet, legs, back and shoulders. She reported that Epstein encouraged her to keep massaging further and further down his back closer to his buttocks. massaged Mr. Epstein for approximately 25-30 minutes in this manner and began to believe "everything was okay." She notes that after Epstein got off the phone, he started asking her personal questions, such as if she had experience with other guys and how far she had gone sexually. - -states that Epstein was also giving her compliments, such as you're such a "beautiful girl." She reports she was uncomfortable with the conversation and that these were topics she did not discuss with anyone except her "girlfriends." notes that after Epstein started asking her questions, he flipped over onto his back and began masturbating. Per ENE, while Epstein was touching himself, he asked her to turn around so he could see her body and then he put his hand "flat" on her crotch area, on the outside of her underwear and began to shake his hand. reports "1 got really scared because he just -- that was way, way crossing the line." She reports she stopped talking and was "terrified." Ahhough did not try to leave, she did back away from him when she perceived that he was trying to insert a finger in her vagina. (N.B. This is more consistent with the events stated to Dr. Kliman.) stated that she never thought of leaving because, if a man could do something like that, then he could kidnap her or shoot her with a gun. When asked if she saw a gun, she stated no, but people would have those things hidden. When asked if he ever threatened her, she said no; if he ever raised his voice, she said no; made any threatening gestures; she said no. She states, "He just had sounded like a pervert." notes that Mr. Epstein had no scars, malformations, or tattoos. She stated that she did not sec his pulls and that she kept her eyes on his. She notes that after he ejaculated, he went into the steam shower, at which point he told her to take $200 for herself and give $100 toll.. states that when she went downstairs, saw her face, commented that she looked like a ghost, and asked her what happened. She told that she would tell her in the car. When in the car, she told that he tried to "finger" her. then said that he tried to do that to one of her other friends last week, at which point put her sunglasses on and "cried my way home." She states that she used 35 EFTA01076541
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Name: Date: November 17, 2009 the $200 to buy Christmas gifts. She told her best friend, a what had occurred. She said her friend was sad and cried with her over it and told her that she should call the police. states she did not want anyone to fmd out and that she did not want anyone coming after her. She reports, "I kept my mouth shut" until the FBI came to her. She noted that she had an experience at school when some of her friends began talking about young girls going to give massages for money. She "freaked out" on the inside because she thought they knew that she was one of them. states that she did not know any of the other girls who went to Epstein's house, other than MISMilind MI, who were people who brought other girls there. There is some question if her friend MI who died in the car accident, also went to see Epstein. notes that she never told any of her boyfriends about Epstein, except her current boy friend, M. She noted that by the time she had gone to see Epstein, she had broken up with and and that she was not in a relationship when she went, even though she was "talking with " She did tell her mother after the FBI came to interrogate her because she was under 18 and they needed her mother's permission to question her. She notes that after the Epstein experience, she started having "a lot of sex" and that friends and family thought that she was a slut/whore. She stated, however, that nobody knew what happened. PAST PSYCHIATRIC HISTORY: reports that she had no psychiatric problems before Epstein, except that she "might have had ADD, same as my mom, but I I really wasn't depressed." She stated that before she went to Mr. Epstein's, she was a "passive" type of person. She always felt that she needed to please people and that she always liked to be a positive person. She stated that she always agreed to do things, did not think them through, and always said yes. She did not realize that there were "mean people" in the world that she had to learn to say no to. She was afraid that if she said no to anyone, then she would not be considered "a cool girl" and that people would quit asking her to do things with them. She had always considered herself to be "a social butterfly." During one semester of college (19 years old), her mother encouraged to go see (a psychologist) due to her behavior and due to her mother knowing about the Epstein incident. (N.B. When she was interviewed by Dr. Kliman, she also reported that sexually inappropriate behavior 36 EFTA01076542
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Name: Date: November 17, 2009 was another reason her mother wanted her to go see Dr. notes that around that time, she was experiencing a lot of anger and was punching holes in the walls of the house. She stated "I just would get angry, lock my door and lock myself in my room, and I wouldn't want anyone to come in." She noted that her mother and stepfather had both gone to see the psychologist separately, then went together, and that her stepfather had started to take medication, although did not know what it was for. -saw Dr. for about three months and reports she found the counseling helpful. (Per premiss.. did not discuss much about Epstein with her and instead focused on problems in the family.) II reports that when she went for counseling, she had symptoms of "anxiety. depression." She believes Dr. diagnosed her with OCD and depression. (N.B. reported to Dr. Kliman that others told her she was bipolar and she reported having symptoms of low mood starting at age 15, which would pre-date Bosteia.) Per Dr. referred her to a female psychiatrist for medication. could not recall the psychiatrist's name, but could remember that the psychiatrist had a dog in her office and that the office was in a medical office building on 45°' Street. She notes she saw the psychiatrist about four times. reports she was on Zoloft (antidepressant) for approximately two weeks when she had an allergic reaction and stopped taking the medicine. describes her symptoms as being angry with people easily, closing herself off, and "being a confused person." She reports not wanting to be part of the family; not wanting to talk with the family; and only being able to talk to her friends, and She notes that she was mad all the time and never let anyone in, and did not want to be hurt by a guy. She started wondering if her stepfather was looking at her in a sexual way since Epstein and her stepfather were approximately the same age. She started to question everything that was good. She stated that she was constantly fearful of consequences, but would still go out and drink and have sex on a frequent basis. When it was pointed out that this seemed almost contradictory, she agreed and stated, "I would think about those things before I would go out and get drunk and go out and do all those things. I would think while I was sober, okay, let's do something fun. You know, this could happen (e.g., be kidnapped), but why not let's just go out with my girls." When directly asked, noted that her sleep was poor because she was intentionally staying out late (e.g., 4-yam) to go to parties and drinking. She noted that she maintained her interest in partying and that she 37 EFTA01076543
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Name: Date: November 17, 2009 had guilt for a lot of things that she did. (N.B. She asked for the word guilty to be defined because she said she did not know what it meant). notes that she developed feelings of worthlessness "the day I left [Epstein's] house." She noted that her energy was low and she believed this was due to a lack of sleep from going out She felt that her concentration was poor, but stated that it had always been poor because she was "ADD." When asked about potential psychomotor retardation symptoms, such as having slow thoughts, she responded, "Slower than usual because I smoked some weed." When directly asked about suicidal thoughts and when they started she stated, "After I went and saw him, Epstein. During the time where my family — I felt I couldn't talk to them about the way that I had been acting." Although she had a suicide attempt, she did not give an exact date for when it occurred. When asked if had discreet periods when her mood would change, she stated "It was like an on and — it felt to me like I was up and down every single day. I would think nobody cares about me. I would always say I don't have friends, but yet I would have friends." had some fluctuations in her appetite. She reports she liked to eat and that she initially became a little overweight, which she thinks was due to the calories she was taking in from drinking. When she went to Virginia, she tried to cut down on her drinking and became "skinny." She notes that she did not want to get fat, so she started eating smaller portions and ate only twice a day. She reports that she did not engage in any bulimic behavior, such as taking laxatives or diuretics or vomiting to cause weight loss. She did note that there were times when she intentionally made herself vomit after she had too much to drink as a way to make herself feel better. She was ambivalent about her reasons why she was not eating as much. On one hand, she said she did not feel like eating and, on the other hand, she stated that she was fearftil of becoming fat. She had difficulty clarifying whether she was intentionally trying to lose weight. She notes that before she moved to Virginia she weighed 115 pounds. While in Virginia, she weighed between 100-105 pounds. She was 5' 2" with an estimated BMI of 19 at this ante and, per her reports, she never stopped menstruating during her period of weight loss. When asked about OCD symptoms, notes that she likes to keep things in their place. She would become angry if anything was moved. She reports at times she would have racing thoughts, which she attributed to her "OCD anxiety." She stated 9 was very serious about keeping things where they were supposed to be and making sure I made my bed, making sure my hair was never out of place, making sure I didn't have — if there was something on my face, I would, you know, pop that pimple and I would freak out. I would just freak out." She also reported she frequently engaged in counting rituals (e.g., sayings things like "1 , 38 EFTA01076544
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Name: Date: November 17. 2009 2, 3 turn green" over and over again at red lights) and that if anyone interrupted her, she would tell them to hold the thought and that she would have to return to the conversation after completing her ritual. She believed her OCD symptoms started while she was in middle school to high school and that this occurred around the time or after she had tubes in her ears and the adenoidectomy. She notes that in high school, it became "overboard." She stated that she frequently had to have everything in a perfect line and that if things were not perfect, "I would freak out and I would get upset and say, oh my gosh, why can't this be perfect? What is wrong with me? What is wrong with me is what I always asked." She notes that her OCD symptoms have been improving over the last two years even though she is not on medication and has not engaged in cognitive behavioral therapy for OCD.4 She has never been told that she may have had PANDA syndrome and is unaware that streptococcus may cause an OCD-type presentation. She reports she has never had motor or vocal tics. When asked about suicidal thoughts, reports no current thoughts of suicide. She states she has not had any suicidal thoughts since her recent car accident. She notes that she made a suicide attempt sometime after seeing Epstein, but before telling her parents about Epstein (approximately between age 16-18; however no mention of a suicide attempt is listed in Dr. notes or her treating psychiatrist's notes). Per report, she tried to commit suicide by overdosing on seven hydrocodone pills that had been prescribed after removal of her wisdom teeth. She reports that she took all the hydrocodone that she had and, at the time, she wished to die. She reports that she texted her friend and told her goodbye and physically spoke with her mother and told her that she loved her, but did not tell her she had actually tried to kill herself' (N.B. This is 4. Q. Has it gotten better? A. Being OCD? ... I tried to not care so much about the way that things are aligned. But it's still, it's still inside me, in my nature to want to do all of those things, but I am trying to say no, no, it's okay. It doesn't have to be perfect. Q. Two years ago would you have been able to do that? A. Stop myself from being OCD? Q. Yeah. A. (Witness shakes bead.) Q. No. Okay. Have you had a spegic cognitive behavioral therapy to address that, or is this something you've been able to get under better control on your own? A. I've been trying to do it on my own. 5 Q. Okay. Got to, got to bear with me on that one. So, you took seven pills, texted your friend, walked downstairs or into your mom's room and said, hey, mom, 'love you and I just want to let you know I took seven pills? A. No, it didn't happen that way. I went and I — she was always on the back porch. And I had told her, you know, I was like, yeah, I love you. I really don't want to deal with my life right now. I feel like I want to kill myself kind of 39 EFTA01076545
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Name: Date: November 17, 2009 factually different from the version she told Dr. Kliman, when she stated she had written her mother a suicide note.) She notes that both her mother and her best friend stayed up with her that night and talked to her. They did not take her to a hospital. MIN notes that she had a psychiatric hospital evaluation in Tennessee atter an argument with her mother. She could not remember what the argument was about, but she said that she told her mother, "I hate my life, I hate everything, I hate just everything. I want to — I wish 1 was dead." At which point, she was taken to the Medical Center by her mother. The medical center offered her inpatient hospitalization, which she declined. She gave her reason for declining was that she did not want admission to a mental unit. She believes that she was 19 or 20 at the time this occurred and she was living in Tennessee and not just visiting. She notes that she was held overnight. She saw a psychologist, filled out paperwork, and discussed ways to calm down with the psychologist. She was not involuntarily admitted, not referred for follow-up, and was not started on any medication& has cut her arm with a knife and she said "It wasn't that deep, but when 1 got upset I wanted the, the pain to stop, and that would be the only way that I could do that was just to physically stop it." She reported that this occurred when she was around 18 years old and was still living in Florida. When asked about potential bipolar symptoms, she notes that when she took the Adderall (stimulant medication) she felt really good, but reports no other periods of euphoria. The feeling produced by the Adderall lasted for only the length of time that the medication is usually effective (several hours). She does not describe any cyclical patterns of mood elevation, changes in sleep, shopping, sexuality, or religiosity. She does not endorse any grandiosity and said that she experienced the opposite effects (i.e., poor self-image). She reports not having any credit card debt or any periods of excessive spending. She did endorse periods of "racing thoughts" that she attributes to anxiety. When asked if she has had bad dreams, states, "everyone has bad dreams." She stated that she used to dream about getting into tights over boys and hurting other girls. She said that this occurred around the time that she got into the fight with She noted that she was fearful of and fearful of Mr. thing. And she took me back in my room and was talking to me about it. And my friend ended up coming over and she came in my room and she was talking to me and my girlfriend about it. 40 EFTA01076546