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Q. Do you know whether he touched himself in 
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any way, his penis or anything like that, during the 
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A. Yeah, like towards the end. 
Q. Okay. Do you know whether he masturbated? 
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Q. If you don't know, you don't know. 
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remember cannily. It was so long ago. 
Q. Okay. There was nothing that you were 
muomfortabk with in this massage? 
A. No. Yeah. And Iftte I said, he also, you 
know, reassured ill wasn't comfortable with anything, 
then just tell him and —
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that would Ix the end of it. 
Q. Okay. Now after that !lost tint you met at 
Wirers horse, you left. And did there come other 
times that you went to Jeffreys house? 
A. Yes. 
Q. And how would fiat come How would that 
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Q. Obw• And there was never any discussice, 
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'Well, we really wet you to caw over because we want . 
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Q. Never, ever suggested, right? 
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massage?" 
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happen? 
A San, one of his assinanu, would call me 
and ask me if I wad Ida to cocoa over and give a 
massage, because he would be in tan. 
Q. So would it be primarily Sara that would 
call or would there be others? 
A. Most of the time. 
Q. And would it be a message that would be 
left for you or would it be you would talk to Sara or me 
of the other as assistants directly? 
A. I mean generally it would be directly. 
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A. Unless] didn't answer my phone. 
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saying, you would talk to San or another assistant and 
they would say, "Listen, Jeffrey's going to be in am. 
Would you like to come over and give a massage? Right? 
A. Yes. 
Q. Was there es= any suggestion in any of 
those phone calls where you made arrangements to go to 
Jeffreys home that there would be anything sexual that 
would occur at the house? 
A. No. 
Q. Was it always if there was a plime call, 
that this was whether you warned to come and give 
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Q. Okay. Now when we're talking about more 
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about that might have occurred? 
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sex with him? 
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to make was that there were never phone calls that would 
come to you and they would ay, 'Do you want to cane ova 
and give a massage,' and per just assumed it would be to 
go have sex? That was not the ease? 
A. No. 
Q. Never, never, neva, right? 
A. Yes. 
Q. All tight There were times when you would 
be away and not be In Palm Beach and —I moan you very 
much thought that Jeffrey was your Mend? You tread 
him as a friend? 
A. Yes, definitely. 1 kb that le was my 
friend 
Q. And them were times when maybe you were 
out of town and for whatever reason, you found yourself 
in a situation where yea needed some money, cermet? 
A. Yes. 
Q. Okay. And you felt that the relationship 
was such that you could call Jeffrey and it nova had 
anything to do with a massage or anything. You would 
say, "Listen, l could use a mule of dollies. I have a 
problem." 
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Q. And would be ever hesitate to help you out? 
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give a massage one day end the please call would be the 
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A. No. 
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Q. Okay. I assume, based on what you're 
telling me, Jeffrey didn't know at the time that it was 
your 18th birthday. He must have —
A. No. It was kind of like -- it was my 19th 
birthday. 
Q. Okay. And you made it pretty clear to him 
that it was your 19th birthday end not your 18th 
birthday? 
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that. 
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it — 
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— but was it clear to him, based on what 
you know, that he thought it was your 19th birthday? 
A. Yes. 
Q. Okay. Great. 
Hae's the lawyer talking now. 
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say anything, did II 
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Q. ha fad, all I asked you to do is tell me 
the absolute truth here today? 
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BY MR. GOLDBERGER: 
Q. Every time you went back to Jeftley's house 
you went back there because you wanted to, right? 
A. inshula yes. 
Q. No one — certainly Mr. Epstein never tried 
to persuade you or induce you or entice you or coerce you 
to engage in any kind of sex? 
A. No. 
Q. And no one representing Jeffrey Epstein 
ever tried to persuade or induce you to engage in sex? 
A. No. 
Q. Ali right. And I think you told me when we 
rust started talking that you "etc wry, wry close to 
your 18th birthday, and when asked, you in fact said you 
were 16 and tried to be wry, wry convincing of that. 
A. Yeah. I didn't mean that - all I said was 
1 was 18. 
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A. Law there was no ifs, ands or buts about 
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Q. There was a time when there was 0 concert 
or a show down in Fort Lauderdale and Jeffrey got you 
tickets to go to that show because it was your birthday, 
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A. Yes. 
Q. Okay. And you've understood all my 
questions, have you? 
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MR. OOLDBERGI3R: Okay. I thank you very 
much for corning in today and it really made it 
much easier for us to do it this way. So thanks a 
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(Thereupon, the sworn sonement was 
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