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FBI VOL00009
EFTA00592533
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12/lease79:wo-cv 1/200 11.53 -b736 /36-KAM Document 403-3 Entered on FLSD Docket 06/02/2017 Fade W6/99 63 2007-04-25 rxr 3 Q. okay. But when the massage was over however it 4 ended, you would just get dressed and yo downstairs by S yourself or did take you downstairs? 6 A. Yeah. the chef would make us food and it'd be 7 great. And Jeffrey would get dressed and he'd come down with us sometimes or, you know, it wasn't -- we had fun. • 4 rt was all positive. In Q. okay. mow many massages do you think that you 11 gave Jeffrey? 12 A. 1 gave Jeffrey a lot of macsaqvc r can't tell 13 you. I saw him fur a good year. 14 Q. And how many times -- would you see him weekly Is or more than once a week? A. yeah. 17 Q. More than once a week? 18 A. I personally would or I'd bring girls. 19 Q. okay. But either you would or either a girl 20 that you brought? 21 A. Yeah, uh ,huh. 12 Q. Okay. 23 A. But after a while. it wasn't me anymore. I had 24 brought girls, but t got paid $200 to bring girls. 25 Q. okay. so let's talk lust about when you were Page 20 20 EFTA00592553
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12/11.420_ 1,1;.53.5AX case79:uo-cv-ou736-KAM Document 403-3 Entered on FLSD Docket 06/02/2017 Pa6Tir 63 2007-04-25 txt 1 performing the massages. what other sorts of things 2 would happen? You said that sometimes he would just like 3 his feet massaged. what case would happen during those 4 massage sessions? S A. Nothing. everything I told you. 6 Q. Okay. So sometimes a back massage? 7 A. sometimes he liked back massages. sometimes he 8 like feet massages. Sometimes he like his head massaged. 9 He liked his head massaged a lot. sometimes leg 10 massages, yeah. And it wasn't every time that we went 11 there he masturbated. I? Q. okay. Any idea half and half or less than half 13 the time that he masturbated? 14 A. Less the time he masturbated. IS Q. Did you always perform topless? Did you ever 16 get completely naked towards the end or in the middle and 17 remove all of your clothing? 18 A. I Would wear panties. willingly one time 19 because we were making jokes and everything and willingly 20 one time I had, yes, I was totally nude, but t was fine 21 with it. 22 O. okay. 23 A. Totally fine with it. 14 Q. And how did that massage go? 25 A. Actually, it was a foot massage and he was • rage Z1 EFTA00592554
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12/111200 lA 53 FAX uase79:u8-cv-bu736-KAM Document 403-3 Entered on FLSD Docket 06/02/2017 PaATO139 63 2007-04-25 lAl 1.1 sitting on the couch. we didn't even have the massage 2 'able out and I gave him a Foot rub and I was nude. 3 Q. And how much were you paid Fur that? 4 A. Two hundred every single time. 5 Q. Did he at any point kiss you. touch you, show 6 any kind of affection towards you? 7 A. Never, never. 8 Q. okay. 9 RV AGENT alCilARDS: AO Q. why not? 11 A. why not? why would he? 12 Q. you seem like a nice young lady, attractive. 13 He never had any urges to -- 14 A. I asked him, 1 said, when are you going to get IS married? when arc you going to get married, :Jeffrey? He 16 said, I'm never getting married. He has, you know. 17 beautiful women all the time. why would he -- no, 18 huh-uh. 19 BY MS. RILAFONIA: 20 Q. He never pulled you closer to him in a sexual 21 way? 27 A. I wish. no, no. never, ever, ever, no, never. 23 3effrey is an awesome man, no. 74 Q. Okay. Now you said that at some point you 25 started bringing other girls over? • rage 22 EFTA00592555
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12/118W 91.60avF-66736-KAM Document 403-3 Entered on FLSD Docket 06/02/2017 PaN:1 4/899 63 2007 04 25 -.TXT 12 1. A. Oh-huh. 2 Q. now did that start? 3 A. we likes to see different faces. 4 f). so he asked you if you had friends that you 5 could bring over or other girls? 6 A. uh-huh. 7 Q. And how did you decide who you would ask to S come over? 9 A. All of my good-looking girlfriend% and if ihvy 10 had friends. It's all about, you know, we were just 11 making money and Jeffrey is an awesome guy. we just, you 12 know -- I would tell my girlfriends just like Carolyn approached me. make sure you tel l him you're 18. well, 14 these girls that 1 brought, I know that they were 18 or 18 19 or 20. And the ()iris that t didn't know and T don't 16 know it they were lying or not, 1 would say make sure 17 that you tell him you're IS. 18 Q. okay. what exactly would you tell them about 19 what would happen after you got to the house? 20 A. I said he likes massages, but he prefers 21 topless massages. BUT if you're nut comfortable, then )2 don't do it and it won't matter. 23 O. And did any of them tell you what happened 24 after that? 25 A. Always, always, I even asked them. • emit? 23 EFTA00592556
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12/16g8791h5di V 6U/36-KAM Document 403-3 Entered on FLSD Docket 06/02/2017 PagVglocr 9 63 • 2007-04-25 23 1 O. Okay. And with the other girls, was it the 2 same as what you did or different? 3 A. Yeah, yeah. t mean, well. I was more willingly 4 to do more. you know. Like I said, I went nude for him 5 one time. But the other girls. they practically were 6 topless and that's all that they were willing to do. 7 some girls didn't want to go topless and Jeffrey didn't 8 mind. 9 Q. were there girl!: that you brought back multiple JO times? 11 A. A couple, a couple, but he really liked to see 12 different faces. 13 Q. okay. I'm just wondering are there some girls 14 he really liked and others he didn't like or did he have 15 any preferences in terms of blondes, brunettes? 16 A. He liked girls like me. 17 O. Okay. Thin and attractive? 18 A. t guess. yeah. very attractive women. And he 19 didn't say girls. He said women all the time. 20 Q. Did you ever briny anybody he didn't care for? Zl A. Huh-uh. 22 Q. Yeah? 23 A. Yeah. 24 Q. now was she different than the others? ZS A. Black. I screwed up. Page 24 EFTA00592557
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12/ 1tagg9k1O6vfeS736-KAM Document 403-3 Entered on FLSD Docket 06/02/2017 Pa*N /dt98 63 2007-04 - 2S . 'XI 24 1 Q. How did you know you screwed up? A. He doesn't like black women, obviously. 3 Q. So he let you know? He told you that? 4 A. Yeah, bur he was still nice and he still gave 5 her her 200 even though he didn't even have a massage by 6 her. 7 Q. How did he he paid you 5200 for bringing 8 ';4th girl? 9 A. Uh-bug. IQ Q. And when he told you that. I mean, that's what 11 he told you that he would III you 5200 for bringing the 12 girls? 13 A. Yeah. He said if you bring me -- if you bring 14 me girls, I'll definitely, you know, give you money, 1S compensate you for your time and willing to do that for 16 me, yeah. 17 Q. And you said at that point you stopped 18 performing massages for him? 19 A. At that point. 1 didn't -- it would he 20 sporadically like. Usually. I had so many girlfriends at 21 the time that. you know, there were some new Faces to be. 22 saw. And if no one was avai lable. then T would go. 23 Q. I got you. 24 A. SO -- 25 Q. po you know some of the girls that you brought, • Page 15 EFTA00592558
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12/11.220QT9:uo-c case v-uu736-KAM Document 403-3 Entered on FLSD Docket 06/02/2017 Pan iar 63 7007-04-25 /XV ?i 1 some of the their names? 2 A. 1 don't remember, really. They were like not even friends. They were just associates, you know. If • 4 anything. be friends of friends, so no. 5 Q. We have -- I don't know. We have some messages 6 I guess that some girls' names that would call Jeffrey 7 and leave a massage. There's some girls names that are 8 referenced. we were just wondering if you knew them? 9 A. If you name them. T can probably remember. 10 MS. BILAIONIA: Jason, do you have that? 11 BY AGENT RICHARDS: 12 Q. V is one. 13 A. I don't know v_. OO you know her lint 14 name? 15 MS. BILAFONTA: we were hoping you did. 16 °rue WITNESS: No, X don't. 17 DV AGENT RICHARDS: 18 Q. 19 A. No, that sounds like a black girl's 20 name. 21 Q. Well, you brought a black girl. what was her 72 name? ?3 A. I don't know. uon't ask me. 24 0. SEIM Pdge /0 EFTA00592559
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12/1122007 Etta_ ease 9:uo-cv-aur36-KAM Document 403-3 Entered on FLSD Docket 06/02/2017 PA °ler 63 2C A, s 2007 04 25 yeah, I brought 5 26 • • 1 2 Q. A. who is she? tel l us about Still. s we look just alike, if that's the girl 3 I'm thinking about. we went to school together and I 4 brought her one time and then she ended up moving so she S couldn't come with me. Q. were you guys in the same grade or -- 7 A. No, she was older than me. 8 Q. A year or two? 9 A. she was -- Actual ly, she was like 1K. I don't 10 know. she was older. She was like, you know, two ranks. 11 two grades ahead of me. 12 Q. So when you were a sophomore. she was a senior? 13 A. I just met her in school and I told her. 14 BY MS. BILAFONIA: 15 Q. what was her last name? 16 A. T don't know. 17 BY AGENT RICHARDS: L8 Q. Do you know where she lived? A. I just 19 met her in school and I told her about it. 70 Q. You told her about it at school? is that where 21 your discussion was or -- 22 A. Well. I said gilo. me your number. I said you 73 can make a couple of dollars. it's real easy. And if Page 27 EFTA00592560
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12/11120V 14 SA R44( e.atse.9Liaev 736-KAM Document 403-3 Entered on FLSD Docket 06/02/2017 Pa6110/6199 63 • 2007-04-25 24 you're comfortable with it, give me a call. 25 Q. Was that at school or at a party? 1 2 3 was? 4 27 A. No, at school. 0. At school. You're not sure what her last name A. t have no idea. 5 0. Do you know where she or anything like 6 that, what car she drove? 7 A. No. S Q. what'd she look like? 9 A. what she looked like? 10 Q. Yeah. 11 A. Like me, everything, blonde hair. blue OyeS. 12 (Start Side Fs of tape.) 13 AGENT RICHARDS: Time recorder is being 14 restarted is approximately 4:50 III li SY MS. BILAFONIA: 16 17 High at the 18 A. 19 Q. Y. 20 A. And that's where S went to school. 21 U. what about a girl rag q, we were talking about s YoU were at NO, I was at time? EFTA00592561
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12/1 ViaW910856v186736-KidA Document 403-3 Entered on FLSD Docket 06/02/2017 Pa64°Seiel99 63 2007-04-2S TXT A. who? 23 BY MANI RICHARDS: 24 Q . O l d you bring 25 A. I brought a couple ns 1 Q. I want to know about every one you brought A. well. one of them died recently, so -- 3 Q. what was her name? In a car accident or 4 something? 5 A. NO, she unfortunately, she got shot in 6 the head. von guys probably heard it on the news. She 7 clot shot in the head by his guy. f don't want to even 8 talk about it because cry. 9 tiv rte., EILAION1A: 10 O. Let's talk about the other u 11 A. I don't even know. 1 don't know. I don' t 12 know, There were some girls that just 1 would take one 13 time and then I would never talk to again, so 1 don't 14 know. 15 O. Now many girls do you think you brought to 16 Jeffrey's house? 17 A. ThOt'S a good question. I bring a lot, like maybe 18 I don't know, maybe 30. maybe 30. IL was al l 19 about the money to me at that time. 20 U. wow any of the girls that you brought , did any Page 29 EFTA00592562
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2 12/112007 Ax uase 9:wotvF-idu736-KAM Document 403-3 Entered on FLSD Docket 06/02/2017 PalVM./8?9 63 2007-04-2s IIIIIIIIrxr 21 of them leave their names And numbers and then they would get appointments directly from Jeffrey or did they alw.iys 23 gn through you? 24 A. 'hey went through me, hopefully. 2S Q. So you don't know, 79 !sY AGENT RICHARDS: Q. You weren't getting paid, right? 3 A. I told them. I Said, Don't give him your number. 5 RY MS. BILAFON/A: 0. If you brought the same girl more than once, 7 would you yet paid each time you brought them or lust get 8 the initial S.200? A. Fvery Single time I brought a girl, okay, or 1 10 referred a girl, t Always got 4700, always. 11 Q. Even if she came a second time? 12 A. Ye:. 13 Q. you would get. 5100 every time she came/ 14 A. yes. 15 Q. Good deal . okay. what abour a If, A. C who? 17 Q. Any C-that you brought ro mr. rpclein's IS house. • Page 30 EFTA00592563
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12/1e388791j318114"- ocu /36-KAM Document 403-3 Entered on FLSD Docket 06/02/2017 Pagif Ygoiss 63 i00/-04-)5 19 A. I brought a c 20 Q. wM. where die she CIO to school? 71 A. she didn't go to school. 22 Q. Okay. flow did you know 73 A. CMS been my -- she's my friend in the Z4 past. mow did i meet C al a party or she was my )5 -- Actually, she was my baby's father's girlfriend at the 30 • 1 time and I met her at a party. 2 Q. You asked her if she'd be wi l l ing to go to 3 Jeffrey's house? 4 A. uh-huh. Q. And when -- do you remember when that would 6 have been? 7 A. Actually, a couple weeks, a couple weeks. I do 8 remember her. A couple weeks after I met him. 9 Q. So you brought her pretty soon after you met 10 ieffrey? 11 A. uh-huh. 12 Q. And how old was C IIIIIIIV 13 A. Seventeen, 17. 14 O. And what happened when you brought a is A. The same thing. 16 Q. okay. well. I know that sometimes you said 17 that the girls would tell you what happened? Page 31. EFTA00592564
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12/11/200 A 5 A Fx case79:Iu8-scv -au736-KAM Document 403-3 Entered on FLSD Docket 06/02/2017 Pali /or 63 2007-04-25 IIIIIIIITxt 18 A. She went in there, she had a massage she 19 gave a massage on his back. She went a couple times. He /0 liked her. She went a couple times. The first time she 21 told me that he didn't it was just like me the first 22 time. me didn't climax at al l , nothing happened. It was 23 just a massage. And then she went, I chink, like two 24 times after that. And yeah, he masturbated, but no 75 touching. She didn't -- there's no touching of him. No 31 1 touching of her. None of my girls ever had a problem and 2 call me. beg me. you know, for us to go to 3 ieffrey's house because they love Jeffrey. Jeffrey is a • 4 respectful man. He really is. I mean, and he all 5 thought we were of age, always. this is what's so sad 6 about it. 7 Q. How would -- how would you make appointments 8 for girls to go over there? 9 A. All call them and they Say hi. do you want to 10 go to Jeffrey's house? And say yes or no and 11 call a taxi. 17 Q. HOW would you know when leffrey was going to be 13 in town? 14 A. leffrey was 'in town, Sara would cal l me. I5 Q. Did she always call when they were already in Page 3/ EFTA00592565
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1211 tigg 79:1585&-W736-KAM Document 403-3 Entered on FLSD Docket 06/02/2017 Penn" 63 2007.04-25 16 town or would she -- how for in AdVArif l• would she call I/ you? 18 A. They only called me when they were in Palm 19 Beach. They never called me from anywhere. They've 20 never called me from anywhere else. It was always when I 21 was in Palm Beach. They'd say hi, we're down here. If 72 you want to come and see Jeffrey, you're more than 73 welcome to. 24 Q. So you wouldn't have like a specitic time when 25 you would go over, like be here at 11 or he here at two? 32 1 A. well, I'd tell them, I'd say -- well, I mean, 2 I'd have to work around his schedule. He'd have to work 3 around mine. Yeah, we'd say T'll he there at three. 4 I'll be there at four, whatever. S Q. DO you -- I know that you said you talked to 6 Sara on the phone. was there anybody else that you would • 7 talk to on the phone? 6 A. At Jeftrey wasn't there like it A'd call him to 9 see how he was doing or whatever, you know, he had -- his 10 chef would answer the phone. HiS maid would answer the ft phone. That's -- I? O. But was Sara the only one you talked to about 1.3 making appointments? 14 A. Uh-huh. yeah. well, yeah. if ieffrey wasn't Page 33 EFTA00592566
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12/11'20079:u lA 55 FAD( case 8-cv-oru736-KAM Document 403-3 Entered on FLSD Docket 06/02/2017 Paatai6o2o°iss 63 2007-04-25 available, t you know, he said, the chef or you Ih know, whoever. said )cffrey will get hack to you. Yeah, 17 Sara made the appointments. is q. so when you were calling to talk to Jeffrey. 19 you were calling the house phone over in Palm reach? 20 A. Oh-huh, yeah. 71 Q. And how often would you talk ro Jeffrey on the 22 phone as opposed to talking to one of his assistants? 73 A. Me and Jeffrey hardly ever talked on the phone. 24 Pe was always busy. It was mostly tiara. we'd talk when 25 1 would ger there, you know so ii was like hey, do you 33 • I wont to come in? Yes, cool, you know. come no. 1 cool, bye. 3 Q. Do you know someone who works for Jeffrey named 4 5 A. I chink I met her one time. 6 q. And what do you know about her? 7 A. She was there. And the person , I think, 8 not positive, okay. I'm pretty sure she said that 9 she's from New York and she travels with Jeffrey. but I ID think 7 met her one time, if that's the girl that ring, 11 the bell, you know, in my head. Nadia 7 think is that 12 one person I mel nns time. Page 34 EFTA00592567
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12/1 ase 9l 1420o7 A AX :u8- cAu736-KAM Document 403-3 Entered on FLSD Docket 06/02/2017 Pa6Pgd/809 63 2002 04 25 =M. IK1 13 Q. Now you said that you had teased Jeffrey about 14 whether he was gett ing married. Did you ever know him to 15 have a girlfriend or a steady? 16 A, No, he [old me he's never been married. He's 17 never had a girlfriend and hr doesn' t want to have a IS girlfriend. 19 Q. were you ever asked to bring a girl for someone 20 else like to give a massage to somebody else or to anyone 21 other than ieffrey? 44 A. NO. T gave Sara a massage before. 23 Q. And how did that happen? 24 A. 1 only gave Sara a massage like once or twice, 25 once or twice, not that often. 34 • 1 0. Nut anybody else, either any friends that were 2 in town or -- 3 A. No. See, my mother is a masseuse and I have 4 experience massaging and he always liked my massages. so 1 he told Sara about my massages and she said. yeah, I want 6 a massage so I'd go over there. T think it was one or 7 two times and i gave her a massage. 8 Q. Now when the girls were upstairs with Jeffrey 9 in the bedroom, what would you do? 10 A. the chef would make me carved tomatoes. out 11 some crab meat in it and l'd just cat, wine and din,'. TI Page 35 EFTA00592568
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12/114207 14,-;fie 644-, ease 9:uia-cv-aur 36-KAM Document 403-3 Entered on FLSD Docket 06/02/2017 Pagr@ Wer s 63 100/-04-25 was wonderful, great. 13 Q. And when you would talk to the chef -- 14 A. 15 0. -- would anybody else from the house be there? 16 A. Yes. t don't know their names. I can't 17 remember. There were like all these foreign girls from 18 -- like they're beautiful, beautiful models that are from 19 different -- they have accents. And no, but it was real 20 interesting because we'd talk. And, you know, III learn 21 a lot trom them and learn a lot from me just being 22 American. And no, every time, r went there it was a good 23 time. And t ocually just are or ■ go and suntan or 24 something near the pool. 25 Q. And how long you would the other girl he 3; 1 upstairs normally? 2 A. Twenty, 25. 20 to 30 minutes. 3 RY AGENT RICHARDS: 4 Q. Hack to wM is there anything else 5 about her that you can remember? You were friends with her. She went three times, you think? Did she go back 7 without going through you to set up any appointments that 8 you know about') 9 A. I don't know. • Page 36 EFTA00592569
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12/11/2007 1356 FAA_ usins9 case 9:08-cv-auf36-KAM Document 403-3 Entered on FLSD Docket 06/02/2017 Pagif ild or 63 2007-04-25 IIIIIIIIFTx1 10 Q. Okay. were there any ot er a that you 11 brought? I know you brought other la or multiple 12 BIIIIIIF 13 A. Yeah. I don't know. It you would $3y like a 14 last name, then i would probably remember. but I don't. 15 Q. Any Gill'? Did you bring a 16 A. CM. yeah, that sounds familiar. Yeah. 17 tom, yeah. 18 19 A. oh-huh. 20 0. what can you tell me about her? Mow old was 21 she? 22 A. she's older than me. 23 Q. Do you know her from school or -. 24 A. No. where did i meet her? I met her in my 25 neighborhood and I asked her if she wanted to go and • 1 yeah, GE. she was only there one time, though. 2 Q. Did she tell you how it went with him upstairs? 3 A. Yeah. 4 p. what'd she say? 5 A. she said -- she's like ah, I don't know. 6 q. She freaked out or someohing? 7 A. No, no, but he didn't want her ogain. De likes 8 rai l, slender and she was like short. Page 37 EFTA00592570
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12/1112007 4.45R case-9:uio=cwoo736-KAM Document 403-3 Entered on FLSD Docket 06/02/2017 PaVid ior 63 2007-04 25 -.TXT 9 O. What did she say about him? 10 A. she had fun. 11 Q. she had fun? 12 A. Oh-huh. 13 Q. What did she say happened up there? 14 A. she was topless and just gave a massage. He 15 didn't, you know, climax or anything. 16 BY MS. 8ILAPowIA: 17 Q. Did you ever, either when you gave him a 18 massage or any of the girls, did you ever use a big back 19 massager or it was only manual massage? 20 A. NO. it was only my hAnds, we never used 21 anything else. 22 Q. Now when you were working for him, when you 13 were going over to Jeffrey's house to give massages, did 24 you have a boyfriend? 25 A. yeah, yeah. 37 I. Q. okay. How did he feel ahout you going to 2 Jeffrey's house? 3 A. He was a jealous little boy, but he didn't 4 care. Bring home the bacon. Q. what's your boyfriends? 6 A. 0 • Page 313 EFTA00592571
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12/11/2007 11:56 FAX W1075/0,3 Case 9:08-cv-80736-KAM Document 403-3 Entered on FLSD Docket 06/02/2017 Page 40 of 63 • • 2007-04-25 s iXT 7 Q. Now T know you that you mentioned that you had 8 a baby. Is that the baby's father? 9 A. No, no, thank God. 10 Q. who is the baby's father? 11 A. SM" 12 0. okay. 3 SM. And were you still going 13 to Jeffrey's when you were pregnant? 14 A. I would bring girls there when I was pregnant. IS Q. So did -- so did J have concerns about 16 what you were doing at Jeffrey's house? 17 A. NO, he talked to Jeffrey over the phone. 18 Jeffrey actually threw me my baby shower and he got me 19 furniture and a nice rattle for my son and just really 20 nice things, i love mommy frames. 21 Q. was the shower at his house and did he attend? 22 A. No, nu, at my house, at my house. And no. 23 Jeffrey wasn't there. He just sent Sara to bring me 24 gifts for the baby. 2S Q. Oh, okay. 1 RV AGENT RICHARDS: 2 Q. Did J ever go over there with you? 3 A. NU. 4 Q. He stayed away. A. NO, he didn't go, no. Page 39 38 EFTA00592572