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Q. Some of the other victims? 
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THE WITNESS: Yes. 
sorry. 
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well, did you 
issue the subpoena — 
A. Yes. 
Q. — personally? 
A. Yes, I did. I requested it. 
MR. PIKE: Porn. 
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Q. And did you receive it directly from the 
carrier? 
A. Yes. 
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person to review that material? 
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him contacted any of these underage females? 
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Jeffrey Epstein or one of his assistants had 
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information to say which underage females were 
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many of those names have been redacted. Am I 
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correct in understanding there was an unredacted 
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version that if we're able to get pursuant to court 
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order or agreement, it's something that could be 
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provided by your office? 
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interviews that the young females had given and the 
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accounts they had given you? 
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you able to corroborate portions of the victims or 
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or interview statements that they 
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telephone incoming-outgoing calls from 
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subpoenaing different phone numbers to identify 
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who these persons were. So that was just a 
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voluminous materials that was produced this week 
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pursuant to a public records request to the Palm 
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Beach Police Department, correct? 
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investigation? 
A. There were several. 
Q. And on those surveillance videos were you 
able to identify underage minor females going to 
Jeffrey Epstein's home? 
MR PIKE: Object to the form. 
THE WITNESS: We were able to identify not 
through the video surveillance but through 
physical surveillance the actual person 
standing out there watching the car pull in, 
jotting down the tag number, that kind of 
thing. The video surveillance was a, was a 
vehicle that we had parked and ran a video 
camera from it just to show the traffic in and 
out. 
BY MR. EDWARDS: 
Q. Okay. And did that video camera capture 
the traffic that was going in and out of Jeffrey 
Epstein's house; is that what you are telling me? 
MR. PIKE: Form. 
THE WITNESS: Yes, that's what it was 
intended for. However, for identification 
purposes it's difficult because of the lighting 
situation. 
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P.B.S.O., that was handed over, turned over to the 
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Q. Where it would indicate hard drive copied 
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from Number 55 to P.B.S.O., isn't that indicating 
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that the hard drive is being copied for the Palm 
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Beach Sheriffs Office? 
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Krouel. That was to be analyzed. If you see further 
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down CPU was actually returnod. 
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the evidence that was taken from the house; is that 
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correct? 
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Q. Where was that car positioned? 
MR. PIKE: Form. 
THE WITNESS: Flintier up the block from 
the house, towards by the Intracoastal. This 
was parked up the block. 
BY MR. EDWARDS: 
Q. Did you do any of the personal 
surveillance writing down tags and whatnot? 
A. No, that would have been, that would have been 
the Burglary Strike Force. 
Q. Did you ever speak with Ghislaine Maxwell? 
A. No. 
Q. Did you ever attempt to speak with her? 
A. No. 
Q. Did her name come up during your 
investigation? 
MR. PIKE: Form. 
THE WITNESS: I researched her based on 
the media that I had found dining her 
association with Mr. Epstein. 
MR. PIKE: Move to strike. Go ahead. 
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citizens saying we have information that could be 
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helpful to this investigation? 
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in the past. She said that she had a relationship with 
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for a 
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you just phrased it with Jeffrey Epstein, did she 
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indicate that it included massages? 
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remember her telling me that they had some 
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relationship because he got friskier and 
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were calling in. 
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investigation related to Jeffrey Epstein or an 
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additional investiption? 
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people outside of 05368. 
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a relationship with Mr. Epstein but I am trying 
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you wrote the report. Have you looked over this 
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report at all? 
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Jeffrey Epstein was hying to go further and further 
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with a massage and her asking what, what are you 
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doing, to which he replied don't you want to get 
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made and the association or affiliation that was 
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previously determined between Epstein and Wexner, 
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was there any follow-up related to that connection? 
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something that has been forward to the FBI and you 
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don't have a copy of it? 
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date of birth, just responding to the call? 
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case. That might have been some other detective. I 
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put the camera up. 
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that particular burglary, if it's at all relevant to 
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this case, would have to go through whoever was the 
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State Attorney's Office? 
A. Yes, there was. 
Q. And --
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attention very early on in the investigation to which 
they were, you know, very gung-ho, very let's go, let's 
do this, up until, up until, up until the meeting with 
Alan Dershowitz and the State Attorney. And then it, ii 
all took a turn. 
Q. Were you at that meeting? 
A. I attended one meeting where I believe it 
Dershowitz, Krischer, and Belohlavek. 
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Q.: What was said during that meeting? 
MR. PiKE: All right. With regard to this 
line of questioning, I just want to be clear 
that I have form objections to this line of 
questioningg. And the fact that under various 
Federal Rules, I believe it's 408, 410 as well 
as various rules under Florida Evidence Code, 
some of these discussions are protected as 
potential plea negotiations. So, having said 
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because she was aware of all the people that I 
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to be able to appear? 
A. That would have been Jane Doe No. 103. . 
Q. Do you know why she was unable to appear? 
A. • Because it was finals week in her university 
and the limited time that they had scheduled the grand 
jury and the time that it would have been for her to 
make arrangements to come down was very short. 
Q. Was there a disagreement about this case 
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. Q. But for whatever reason the State 
Attorney's office was entertaining this argument? 
A. Absolutely. At that point they started to 
back off. And then they are, like, well, you can't —
this girl is not a victim; this girl is this, you know, 
that kind thing. 
Q. Was there ever a time when the State 
Attorney's Office bought into an argument that you 
can't even believe these girls when they testify 
about what transpired at Jeffrey Epstein's house? 
MR. PIKE: Form. 
THE WITNESS: I had that impression, that 
kind of thing where these girls were not 
victims. 
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THE WITNESS: Well — 
MR. PIKE: Wait a second, Detective. 
Form, compound, and speculative and hearsay. 
THE WITNESS: It was more to the effect 
of, you know, these girls are not saints; look 
at the stuff that they are posting out there 
for everyone to see, et cetera, et cetera. 
That kind of thing. 
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Q. Okay. But I mean, you have been a 
detective for how many years? 
A. Fifteen. 
Q. And you investigate an attempted murder, 
still prosecute the attempted murder even if he is 
tying to shoot a gang member, right? 
MR. PIKE: Form, relevance. 
THE WITNESS: AbSolutely. 
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Q. And in speaking with them, they each 
described an almost ritualistic process that 
happened inside Jeffrey Epstein's bedroom with each 
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MR. PIKE: Form. 
THE WITNESS: Correct. 
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.Q. And that was something that was made clear 
to the State Attorney's office? 
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Q. And at some point in time Chief Reiter 
wrote a letter to Mr. Krischer in May of 2006 
indicating that he believes Mr. Krischer should 
disqualify himself from prosecuting the cases. Are 
you aware of that? 
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A. Yes, I've seen it before. 
Q: And he also indicates in it it is 
regrettable that I am forced to communicate in this 
manner, but my most recent telephone calls to you 
and those of the lead detective to our assi s ed 
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attorneys have been unanswered and messages remain 
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take a long time. I mean it's getting into the 
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juice of it. So, are we at a point that you 
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want to stop rather than getting into something 
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dates sometime in April. And then counsel who 
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need a mini or any of that. 
MS. ARBOUR: I don't need a fdl copy. 
Just a mini. I don't need any of that other 
stuff. 
MS. O'CONNOR: We're going to read. 
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orders that have already been entered and waste 
a witness's time. 
So hopefully we can all abide by that and 
concentrate on our individual and particular 
clients at those depositions. 
MR. EDWARDS: Certainly no one will 
intentionally do that but I just wanted to say 
that since I am questioning right now, I think 
that I am the only one with an eminent 
discovery deadline. So, I will get through my 
portion and whatever happens after that —
MR. PIKE: You and me. 
MR. EDWARDS: Right. 
(A discussion was held off the record.) 
THE COURT REPORTER: Do you want to order 
this? 
MR. KUVIN: No, I don't. 
MR. PIKE: You know, I do need that, but I 
need it regular. And I need it for reasons 
that I don't want to state. 
THE COURT REPORTER: Does anyone want a 
copy/ 
MS. ARBOUR: Yes. 
MS. EZELL: I want a copy too. 
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CERTIFICATE OF OATH 
THE STATE OF FLORIDA 
COUNTY OF PALM BEACH 
I, the undersigned authority, certify that 
DETE,CTIVE JOSEPH RECAREY personally appeared 
before me and was duly sworn on the 19th day of 
March, 2010. 
Dated this 1st day of April, 2010. 
Chia Hopki 
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My Commission No.: DD 64 
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CERTIFICATE 
THE STATE OF FLORIDA 
COUNTY OP PALM BEACH 
I, Cynthia Hookas. Regiatered Profusion.' 
Reporter, Florida Professional Reporter, and Notary 
Pattie in and for the Sate of Florida at large, do 
hereby cat? ? that lams authorized to and did 
report Si deposition in stemlym and dal the 
foregoing ppm emotive Si Carat transcription 
of my atethand notes of said deposition 
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atm at the toe and place haeinabove set forth 
and that the taking of mid depositket was commenced 
and carpeted as haeinabcne moue 
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cowed of any of the penis. nor am I a relative 
or employee of any attorney or camel of pony 
connected with the aCteart, nor amp finamially 
berated in the edict 
The foregoing cenigration of this trareaipt 
does not apply to any rtprodatioo of the sane by 
any men unless under the dna control ancitor 
diadem of tit certifying repent/. 
Dated this Iii day of Aga 2010. 
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CERTIFICATE 
THE STATE OF FLORIDA 
COUNTY OF PALM BEACH 
I hereby certify that I have read the foregoing 
deposition by me given, and that the statements 
contained herein are true and correct to the best of 
my knowledge and belief, with the exception of any 
corrections or notations made on the errata sheet, 
if one was executed. 
Dated this 
day of 
2010. 
DETECTIVE JOSEPH RECAREY 
Job #1509 
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DETECTIVE JOSEPH RECAREY Job81509 
JOANNE M. O'CONNOR. ESQUIRE 
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JONES. FOSTER JOHNSON at STUBBS, PA. 
503 South Flashy Drive. Suite 1100 
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JERE Jay Doe No. 2, Jane Doe No. 103, and B B. 
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ERRATA SHEET 
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IN RE: 
Jane Doe No.2, Jane Doe 
No. 103 and 88. 
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Cynthia' Hopkins, RPR, FPR 
DEPOSMON OF: DETECTIVE JOSEPH RECAREY 
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