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FBI VOL00009
EFTA00226396
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20 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Q Okay. Now when you would bring a new girl over to the house, what would you do? A Walk up the same way towards the back of the house. They would let us in. I could sit in the kitchen with the girl. I would either wait for to come in or Jeffrey. Most of the time it was would bring the girl upstairs while I waited downstairs. After the massage, the girl would come downstairs. I would get paid and then we would leave. Q Tell us how you would get paid when you were the person who brought the girls. A What do you mean how I would get paid? Q Who would pay you? A Jeffrey Epstein would pull me aside whether it be in his, I guess, living room slash office. He would just make sure that when he paid me, it was just me and him, nobody else was around. Q And how much would you get paid for each girl? A $200. Q And again with the two 100 dollar bills? A Always 10.0 dollar bills. OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE, LLC (954) 467-8204 EFTA00226536
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21 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 1 1 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 2.4 25 Q Did you ever see the girl who actually did the massages get paid? A No, I never saw them get paid. He never paid us in front of each other. Q Okay. Did the girls ever tell you that they did get paid or how much they got paid? A Most of the time. Q Okay. And how much money would each girl get paid? A It ranges. Q From? A It ranges from 200 to some got paid 300. Like I said, the more you do, the more you make. There were a couple of girls that got paid 300, 400, and then there were a couple of girls that got paid 200 maybe even 100. Q Now you mentioned that usually would take the girl upstairs? A That's correct. Q Were there ever instances where you took the girl upstairs? A Very rarely. I think it happened once or twice where was doing something or she would need me to go upstairs and set up. I would just go upstairs. I would show her where the OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE, LLC (954) 467-8204 EFTA00226537
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22 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 1 1 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 massage table was. I would set it up for them. I would show them where the towels were, put the towels on the massage table and then I would tell them Jeffrey would be in, in a minute and then I would walk back downstairs and wait in the kitchen. Q Okay. And when you were in these other instances where you led the girl upstairs, besides the massage table, did you ever see any other implements that were used during the massage? A I think there were maybe a few occasions where I would walk upstairs to show the girl or maybe it was even when I first massaged him, there was like a white massager on the table or a white vibrator. Q And can you describe that to the grand jury? A What it looked like? Q What it looked like, yes. A It was like a cylinder. It was really big. The head was bigger. It was white. I think the top of it was maybe like pink. It was big, that's all I remember. Okay. And did any of the girls ever tell you that that was used on them? OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE, LLC (954) 467-8204 EFTA00226538
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23 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A Yes. Q Okay. Now I'm going to run through the names of some girls that you brought just to confirm with the grand jury that you brought them. A Okay. Q Pentek? A That's correct. IIIIIIIIIIIIk? A Correct. Gonzales? A Correct. Q r Siciliano? A Yes. Jennifer A Yes. Q Yolando A Yes. Q And then there is another girl, Serina Figeroa? A Serina never, ever, ever worked for Jeffrey. She accompanied me to his house I think once or twice and waited in the kitchen with me, but she never worked for him. Q Okay. But she was somebody that you brought along with you? OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE, LLC (954) 467-8204 EFTA00226539
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24 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A That is correct. Q On visits? A Yes. Q Okay In addition to those girls that who I just named, you mentioned a woman, Rachel, who is 23? A Uh-huh. Q Were there any other girls that you recall bringing to Jeffrey Epstein's house? A I cannot recall bringing anybody else. Q Okay. Now one of those girls that we mentioned was Zalis, correct? A Yes. Q And you told the police that Jeffrey liked the best? A Yes. Q How old was A She was around the same age as me, maybe a grade lower than me. Q Okay. So she was under age? A Yes, correct. Q And all of those girls who names I read were under age when you brought them there? A Except for Rachel. Q Okay. What did look like? OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE, LLC (954) 467-8204 EFTA00226540
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25 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 1 1 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A was Hispanic. She kind of looks Korean, but she's Hispanic, Hawaiian, maybe. She had a dark complexion. She had hair down to the middle of her back, long, highlights. Q Was she thin or heavy? A No. She was maybe -- she had a boxy type figure, maybe a little lighter than me. Q And how tall do you think she was? A About 5'S, 5'6. Q Okay. And you knew that Jeffrey liked because he would specifically request her? A There was a few occasions that he would specifically ask for her, correct. Q Okay. And you mentioned that some of the girls told you about the massager being used, correct? A Yes. Q Did some of girls tell you what happened inside of that bedroom? A A few of them did. Q Let's talk first about ■ _no. A Okay. Q Did she tell you what happened? A All that she really told me was that they got into a money fight. He had tried OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE, LLC (954) 467-8204 EFTA00226541
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26 1 2 3 4 6 7 a 9 10 1 1 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 fondling her. She wasn't having it, and then she only got paid $100 and she Ielt like she was being ripped off. Q Okay. What about Gonzales, did she tell you about what happened? A Yes. Q What did she explain to you? A Saige, on the way home, had told me she got paid $300, and basically let him insert lingers in her and use the massager on her. Q Okay. And she told you those things? A She told me those things. Q That he had digitally penetrated her and had used the massager? A That's correct. Q Okay. And that was -- when did she tell you that? A Right when we got outside into the truck. Q As you were driving away? A That's correct. Q Do you remember which other girls told you about the massager being used? A I can't recall. know there was another one that said something about the OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE, LLC (954) 467-8204 EFTA00226542
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27 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 1 1 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 massager, but I wasn't really paying attention. Q Now when you first went and gave Mr. Epstein the massage, did he ask for your telephone number after you were finished? A No, did. Q did. And she took down your telephone number? A She took down my name and my telephone number. Q After that, how was all contact made with you? A Q Directly to you? A Directly toward me. Q Okay. So were there any more instances where she went either through Molly or Tony to reach you? A Absolutely not. Q Okay. Now when you brought girls over was it the same thing where they would ask for the girl's name and number? A Yes. Q And when that happened, would they continue to go through you to set up appointments? A Most of time they went through me. OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE, LLC (954) 467-8204 EFTA00226543
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28 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 1 1 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Actually 99.9 percent of the time they went through me. On a few occasions, the girls that they liked the best, or instance, Vanessa, after a while me and stopped contact with each other and Jeffrey just went strictly through her. Q Okay. And when an appointment was made directly with the girl, you wouldn't necessarily know about it? A I would not necessarily know about it • And when the appointment was made directly with the girl then you wouldn't get paid, correct? A Correct. Q Did you hear or do you know whether some girls that you brought, brought more girls? A Yeah, I'm sure of it. Q Okay. When did you first meet Kellen? Was it that day that you went to give the massage? A That's correct. Q And how did you first meet her? A Just walking in the kitchen and waiting for somebody whether it be Epstein or came and introduced herself as and I learned that she was Epstein's assistant. OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE, LLC (954) 467-8204 EFTA00226544
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29 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 1 1 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Q And you said that she was the one who took you upstairs on the first day? A That's correct. Q And we were talking earlier about how appointments would be made for you to bring additional girls, correct? A Yes. Q How far in advance would call you to make appointments? A :t depends. Sometimes she would call me a days I advance. ew in Jeffrey is going to be in town tomorrow or this weekend, have a couple of girls lined up or have a girl lined up. So it would be anywhere between a couple of days to a weekend. Q Okay. Did you ever talk with or did ever tell you anything about what Jeffrey liked to do with the girls? A Absolutely not. We never discussed that. Q Did you ever talk with her about a rumor that you had heard that a girl had intercourse with Jeffrey? A One day I was talking on the phone with and I addressed her with it, asking her OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE, LLC (954) 467-8204 EFTA00226545
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30 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 1 1 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 21 22 23 24 25 about a rumor I heard of a girl sleeping with Jeffrey, having intercourse, and making $1 ,000, and she denied it and said that he doesn't do that kind of thing, he just plays with them. Q Okay. So she said that he didn't have intercourse, he just liked to play with the girls? A That's correct. Q And when you spoke with the police, you said that Jeffrey liked to masturbate in front of the girls but not have sex? A That's correct. Q what led you to believe that? A He just did it. I just learned that Epstein just started masturbating in front of everybody. It was like the new thing for him, and it just started happening and more and more were making comments. So did know that he was masturbating in frcnt of the girls? A Not that I know of. I didn't say anything and I don't think she had an idea. I think she knew there was playing going on. I don't think she knew of what sort. Okay. So she knew that something sexual was going on, but not necessarily what that girls OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE, LLC (954) 467-8204 EFTA00226546
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31 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 entailed? A Correct. Q Okay. Did Jeffrey or or anyone else who worked for Mr. Epstein ever ask you for proof of someone's age? A Never. Q Did they ever specifically instruct you that you shouldn't bring girls who were under age to the house? A Never. Q And when you spoke with the police department you said that at some point Jeffrey said the younger the better? A That's correct. Q And even after that he never said to you but make sure that they are over 18? A We never discussed age. He never made a comment about age except for Rachel that one time about her being too old. He never told me to go find under aged girls, but at the same time never said make sure they are over 18. It was never discussed. Q Okay. All right. MS. III going to ask you to step outside for a minute and I will find out OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE, LLC (954) 467-8204 EFTA00226547
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32 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 1 1 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 if the grand jury has questions. Thank you very much. (Witness exits the Grand Jury Room.) * * * (Witness enters the Grand Jury Room.) BY MS. Q Ms. I have to remind you that you are still under oath. There were just two follow-up questions. The first one is something that I think you spoke about earlier, but who first asked you to find other girls? A Who first asked me to first other girls? Q Yes. A That would be Epstein. Q Okay. So Jeffrey asked you himself, Jeffrey Epstein himself asked you? A Yes. Q Okay. And then the other question was: Are you currently in contact with anyone who works for Mr. Epstein or himself? A I don't talk to any of the lemales that I once brought over there. I haven't been in contact with Epstein for years. He tried contacting me a few times. I haven't contacted him back. I refuse OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE, LLC (954) 467-8204 EFTA00226548
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33 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 1 1 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 to talk to him. I refuse to talk to any of the girls that were involved. However, I did live with one of the girls in Orlando for a couple months to a year. I haven't spoken to her in over a year either. • Okay. So after -- and just so the grand jury has a sense here, we are talking about the 2004 to 2005 period is when you were bringing girls over? A That's correct. Q So since then -- A I don't -- to be honest with you, I think it was more 2003, 2004. Q Okay. A My junior senior year. Q Okay. But anyhow it was a couple of years ago? A Several years ago. • Okay. MS. Is there any Iollow up on either of those points? Yes, ma'am. A GRAND JUROR: Was it Jeffrey Epstein h imself trying to contact you or THE WITNESS: I don't know if it was him directly. I know that his number showed up OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE, LLC (954) 467-8204 EFTA00226549
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3e 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 1 1 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 on my house phone. I'm assuming because Sarah was there, I'm assuming that she is the one that has been trying to contact me in the past years. Epstein never talked directly to me on the phone. MS. Any other follow up? Okay. Thank you, ma'am. Thank you for coming. (Witness was excused.) CERTIFICATE OF REPORTER I, Paula E. Angelocci, Certified Court Reporter and Notary Public, do certify that the transcript is a true and correct transcription of my stenotype notes of the testimony of taken before the Federal Grand Jury, West Palm Beach, Florida. Cert ified Court Reporter AULA E. ANGE CCI, CSR #4869 OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE, LLC (954) 467-8204 EFTA00226550
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