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Right. 
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Can you tell the Grand Jury your impressions 
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of your interview with 
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She became so visibly upset, and a lot of the 
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girls are embarrassed of what took place, but when she 
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talked about the last massage and him grabbing her 
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breasts and fondling her breasts she was in tears and we 
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stopped the massage and we calmed her down, trying to go 
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back there was just too difficult, I could not get her 
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back to discussing anything further that had taken 
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place. 
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I have since then -- I have since talked to 
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again and I feel there is more there, but I just 
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don't think she is ready to disclose what took place. 
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So based upon the more than 60 telephone calls 
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as well as --
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Approximately a hundred. 
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-- 100 telephone calls and your conversations 
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with 
you think there is probably more than four 
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massages that happened? 
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Yes, I do. 
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was there anything else that you wanted to 
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discuss with the Grand Jury? 
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Just, as I stated in the beginning of those 
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massages, they engaged in conversation and throughout 
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that conversation, you know, she did inform Mr. Epstein 
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that she was a junior in high school and again she is 
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one of the girls that talks about 
being Mr. 
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Epstein's favorite, so because Mr. Epstein knew they 
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were friends they would engage in conversation about 
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and 
would mention they were in the same 
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classes at school and they would discuss the friendship 
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they had between the two girls with mr. Epstein and 
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think that's it. 
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Q 
All right. If we could turn to the 
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post-indictment to overt act number 4 which appears on 
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page number 5. 
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Did you obtain telephone records for Jane Doe 
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number 4? 
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Yes. 
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And did you compare those with the phone 
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records of 
and others? 
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Yes, I did. 
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Q 
And can you tell us with respect to overt act 
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number 4 what evidence you have related to that? 
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A review of the phone records indicate that 
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there was 
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belonging to 
and 
as well as 
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statements that 
would call her to make 
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appointments. 
telephonic contact between the numbers 
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And if we could go through overt acts 6, 8, 9 
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and 11, all of which appear on page 6. 
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A review of the phone records on May 3rd, 
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2004, may 14th, 2004, may 20th, 2004 and June 3rd, 2004, 
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a review of those phone records indicate that there was 
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telephonic contact between numbers belonging to 
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and 
as well as 
statements. 
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Q 
if 1 could take you to overt acts 14, 15 and 
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19 which appear on page 7. 
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A review of the phone records on June 11th, 
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2004, June 20th, 2004 and July 10th, 2004, they indicate 
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that there is  telephonic contact between the numbers 
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belonging to 
and 
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And if 1 could ask you to turn to page 8 and 
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if you could address overt acts 24 and 25. 
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A review of the phone records on July 18th, 
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2004 and July 22nd, 2004, a review of 
and 
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's phone records indicate there is 
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telephonic contact belonging to both of them as well as 
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statements that Kellen would arrange 
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appointments with her. 
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If I could take you to page 9 of the draft 
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proposed indictment and ask about overt acts 29 and 30. 
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A review of the phone records indicate there 
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is telephonic contact on July 22nd, 2004 and August 4th, 
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and 
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as well as 
statements. 
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If I could take you to page 10 of the draft 
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proposed indictment and ask you about overt acts 37 and 
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43. 
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A review of phone records indicate telephonic 
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contact on August 25th, 2004 and October 3rd, 2004 
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between numbers belonging to 
and 
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Q 
And if you could turn to page 11 of the draft 
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proposed indictment and if you would address overt acts 
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47 and 48. 
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A review of the phone records indicate 
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telephonic contact on October 30th, 2004 and November 
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4th, 2004 between numbers belonging to 
and 
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as well 
's statements. 
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Okay. And if you could go to page 14 of the 
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draft proposed indictment and address overt act number 
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77. 
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A review of phone records indicate that on 
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January 4th, 2005 there was telephonic contact between 
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and 
as well as 
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statements. 
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I'm sorry. If you could turn to page 16 of 
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the draft proposed indictment and address overt act 
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A review of the phone records indicate that on 
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January 22, 2005 there is telephonic phone contact 
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between numbers belonging to 
and 
and 
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I believe I said on January 22nd, 2005. 
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Okay. And if you could go to page 17 and 
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address overt act number 101. 
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On February 14th, 2005 a review of the phone 
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records indicate that there was telephonic contact on 
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that day between numbers belonging to 
and 
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as well as 
's statements. 
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Q 
If you could turn to pages 18 and 19 and if 
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you would address overt acts 106, 114 and 116. 
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A review of the phone records indicate that 
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there is telephonic contact between 
and 
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on February 24th, 2005 as well as 
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statements. 
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Q 
Overt act number 114 says on March 18th, 2005 
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defendant 
prepared a written message to defendant 
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Epstein regarding Jane Doe number 4, could you tell the 
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Grand Jury what the evidence is related to that? 
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We have a review of the message pads that were 
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recovered during the search warrant that the state 
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served that showed that 
wrote a message to 
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Epstein regarding 
and that was done on march 18th, 
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2005. 
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Do you happen to remember what the message 
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said? 
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I have those with me. 
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Q 
would you mind getting them out? 
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Do you want to mark it? 
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Q 
If you could just read it to the  Grand Jury. 
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It is a message written by 
for Jeffrey 
on 3/18/2005, it looks like 4:21 p.m., and the message 
reads is it okay if 
will come at 5:00 and there is 
a question mark. 
Q 
And if I could direct you to overt act number 
116, what the evidence is related to that. 
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A review of the phone records on march 29th, 
2005 indicate that there is telephonic contact between 
and 
as well as her --
statements. 
Q 
And if I could take you to overt act number 
127 which is on page 20. 
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A review of phone records on April 11th, 2005 
indicate that there is telephonic phone contact between 
the numbers belonging to 
and 
as well 
as 
's statements. 
Q 
Now, if you could go to Count number 8, which 
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Jane Doe number 4 to engage in sexual activity or 
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enticed 
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on or about these dates we have a facility of 
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interstate commerce,  specifically the telephones, ■ 
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and 
which were utilized to 
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set up, arrange massage appointments for Epstein, we 
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have 
taking 
upstairs to set up the 
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massage table, she would set the massage table up as 
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well as set up the lotions and the oils, we 
during 
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those massages Epstein would grab and pull 
closer 
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to him as he masturbated, he repeatedly would ask her to 
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remove her clothing, wearing her bra and underwear, 
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Epstein would pull down her bra and grabbed at her 
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breast, he attempted to touch her vagina at one point 
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but she stopped him, he masturbated, she believes that 
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he ejaculated, he paid her $200, he told her that he 
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would pay her to bring her pretty friends and would pay 
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her more if she would do more. 
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Q 
And just so that this is clear to the Grand 
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Jury, June 29th of 2005 is the day before Jane Doe 
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number 4 turned 18, is that correct? 
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yes. 
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Q 
so was there activity that continued past her 
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Yes. 
Q 
If I could direct you to Count number 17, 
which appears on page 28, and tell us about the evidence 
M ated to that. 
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we have evidence through flight records that 
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indicate on May 21st, 2004 that Epstein and 
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traveled to Palm Beach County on the 
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Gulfstream, we have telephonic contact between 
and 
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the day before or the day of travel and we 
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have the sexual conduct between Epstein and 
as we 
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described earlier in Count 8. 
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And if you could go through Counts 18 and 19. 
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we have flight records that indicate on June 
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4th, 2004 Epstein and 
traveled to Palm 
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Beach County on the Gulfstream, we have telephone 
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contact between 
and 
the day before, 
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the day of travel, we have sexual conduct between 
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Mr. Epstein and 
as discussed earlier. 
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We have also Count 19 on June 20th, 2004 we 
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have flight records that indicate that Epstein and 
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traveled to Palm Beach County on the Boeing 
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727. 
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We have the telephone contacts between 
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and 
the day before, the day of travel, we 
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Could you do the same for Counts 22 and 23, 
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please. 
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Count 22 we have flight  records that indicate 
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on July 22nd, 2004 Epstein, 
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traveled to Palm Beach County on the Boeing 
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727, we have the telephonic phone contact between 
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and 
the day before or the day of travel, we 
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also have the sexual conduct between Jeffrey Epstein and 
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as we described earlier, and Count 23 we have 
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flight records that indicate on August 6th, 2004 Epstein 
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and 
traveled to Palm Beach County on the 
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Boeing 727,  we have telephonic contact between 
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and 
two days prior to Epstein and 
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traveling to Palm Beach County, we  have sexual 
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conduct between Jeffrey Epstein and 
as we 
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described earlier. 
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Q 
And if you could do the same for Count number 
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28, please. 
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Count number 28 we have flight records that 
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indicate on November 5th, 2004 Epstein, 
, 
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traveled to Palm Beach County on the 
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Gulfstream,  we have telephonic contact between 
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and 
the day before or the day of travel, 
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And if I could direct you to Count number 35, 
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you testified previously about the people who were 
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aboard the plane. 
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was there also telephone contact on January 
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6th -- excuse me, shortly before the flight on January 
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6th, 2005 between 
and this Jane Doe? 
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Yes, two days before. 
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Q 
And if you look at Count number 40, again, you 
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had previously told us about who was on board the plane. 
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Can you tell us whether there was also telephone contact 
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shortly before that? 
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There was telephone contact the day of or the 
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day before. 
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Q 
All right. Between who and who? 
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Between 
and 
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Q 
okay. And if you could look at count 43, you 
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also had testified previously about who was aboard the 
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plane on that day. 
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was there also telephone contact between Jane 
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Doe number 4 -- excuse me, Jane Doe number 4 and 
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Yes, two days before. 
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And if I could direct you to Count number 52, 
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which is the sex trafficking offense, and if you could 
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we discussed in Count 8 the sexual conduct 
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that occurred between 
and Epstein during the 
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massages that took place, we talked about the money that 
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was paid to her by Mr. Epstein and the offer of more 
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money if she would do more as well as if she would bring 
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her friends. 
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Through 
statements we have also that 
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has paid her 
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friend, we have the phone activity between 
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and 
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and 
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when 
would be 17, with the statements of 
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the knowledge that Mr. Epstein knew their age, 
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Mr. Epstein that she was a junior in high school, that 
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she was classmates with 
and then 
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statements that 
was concerned because she was 
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discussing prom with Mr. Epstein, and both girls at that 
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time of the phone calls were under the age of 18. 
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Q 
 Just again so it is clear for the Grand Jury, 
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neither 
nor 
ever specifically said hey, 
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Jeffrey, 1 am 17, but they provided information that 
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should have caused him to try to figure out whether in 
in the past for bringing 
which started in April, 2004, we know 
a 
was 16 at the time, we also have phone activity between 
beginning in the spring of 2005 
and we have gone through that regarding 
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Yes. 
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Any questions about Jane Doe number 4 before 
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we turn to Jane Doe number 5? Yes, ma'am. 
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A GRAND JUROR: I have to say something here, 
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if it is a stupid question forgive me if it is, 
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from what I heard, maybe I heard wrong, there were 
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three to four massages that Jane Doe, 
or 
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said that she had and you enumerated quite 
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a few sexual contact. 
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How do you know about this, do you have 
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records, how do you know they were sexual contact? 
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THE WITNESS: Through interviewing 
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A GRAND JUROR: She said she only had three to 
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four massages. 
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A GRAND JUROR: Her question is more like 
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there is 20 phone calls. 
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A GRAND JUROR: There is tons of them. 
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THE WITNESS: Exactly, that is what we were 
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discussing earlier when we discussed that there is 
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more than what 
is willing to admit at this 
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time. 
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A GRAND JUROR: I got it. So she said she 
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only had three to four. 
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A GRAND JUROR: You said you found out through 
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I am a little bit confused about that. 
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THE WITNESS: Through interviewing 
she 
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stated that she had three or four massages from 
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Mr. Epstein. 
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Special Agent 
, the sexual activity 
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that you described that 
went through, that is what 
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she said happened during those three to four massages, 
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correct? 
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Right. 
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Does that answer your question? 
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A GRAND JUROR: Not really. How do we know 
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like about all these 25, 30? 
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A GRAND JUROR: There is more dates that match 
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up with the amount of massages. 
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A GRAND JUROR: There were a hundred phone 
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calls. 
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A GRAND JUROR: Are we supposed to assume a 
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phone call was made each time they had sexual 
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contact? 
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THE WITNESS: No. There are lots of phone 
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calls made arranging appointments between the 
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MS. 
Yes, ma'am. 
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A GRAND JUROR: Couldn't they put anything in 
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this indictment about stalking her, are there any 
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rules against stalking children? 
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MS. 
I will address -- that is a 
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legal question that I will address when the Special 
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Agent is outside of the Grand Jury. Any other 
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factual questions related? 
A GRAND JUROR: I don't have a question 
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relating to Jane Doe number 4, it was a question I 
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asked last week, what does Mr. Epstein do for work, 
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how does he make his money? I asked that late, 
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late in the game last week. 
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MS. 
okay, I guess we can just 
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address that now. 
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What is Mr. Epstein's state of profession? 
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He is an investor. 
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Q 
And he manages portfolios valued at about a 
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billion or more? 
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Yes. 
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who is his best known client? 
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The owner of the Limited and Victoria Secret. 
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And you mentioned that as gifts Mr. Epstein 
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Yes. 
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Does that answer the question? 
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A GRAND JUROR: Yes. 
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ves, ma'am. 
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A GRAND JUROR: Count 28 I thought I heard 
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that -- I thought I heard the detective say that it 
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was the Gulfstream rather than the Boeing 727 on 
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flight records, 
MS. 
there. 
just for your info. 
Count number 28, let's go back 
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Could you restate for the Grand Jury which 
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company owns the Gulfstream? 
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The Gulfstream is owned by Hyperion Air, Inc. 
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Q 
And the Boeing is owned by whom? 
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JEGE, Inc. 
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Q 
Any other questions before we go on to Jane 
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Doe number 5? we have four minutes. 
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Special Agent 
, why don't I ask you 
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to step outside so I can answer that question for the 
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Grand Jury and address some issues. 
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