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Kathy Back 
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I.D. #8059, reference case number 05-368. The time now, by my watch, Is 
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approximately 6 minutes past 2pm on 3/15105. (Inaudible) 
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Present also Is...could you state your name 
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Spell your name please? 
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And your date of birth? 
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And you are? 
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Cathy Back, Family Therapist. 
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Could you spell your name please? 
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K-A-T-H-1' B-A-C-K. 
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And you're her family therapist? Am I correct? 
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Yes. 
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Okay. I'm here today; 
and I have slated briefly why I'm here Is in 
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reference to an Incident that happened to a friend of yours, r a gin you know. 
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Are you lying about anything? 
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No. I'll swear on the bible. 
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Okay. Swearing to God. that's good enough for me. 
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I swear to God. 
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■Okay. Is there anything else you'd like to talk to me about? 
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No, because that's about....nothing else about the whole thing. 
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Sohlbars It. You did notlhave.any Idndof sex 
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Neck no!! I will sweat on my moth&a graWs.,. . 
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You kntth what havIng.sex With somebody means? 
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Yes. I know what havIngSeX with somebody means: 
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Okay. You, at no time, touched his penis? 
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At no time did I touch his penis. 
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At any time. did he touch you 
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At no time... 
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Besides putting his hands... 
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Besides that, no times did he touch me. 
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I can be sure, you saw him whacking off once. 
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Yes, 1 saw him. 
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made when he was (Inaudible). 
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And that's It. I thank you very much. This will conclude the fritoMow. —he time 
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now by my watch 13 approximately 3:05 
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(Shakes head no.) 
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Okay. "'his case is basically an investigation, an 
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Uh-hvh, 
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Did you ever have any intereourse with him? 
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(Shakos hood no.) 
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Nothing? 
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Nothing else. 
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ifsay. I'm going to show you a group of 
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I'm golng to show you a grump of six 
L6 photographs. Okay? I'm trying, trying to see if this 
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Okay? It's important that. you look 
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Okay? She may or may not be in thane stx photos bum 
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Jh-huh 
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Take your time looking at those six photos there. 
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I don't see her, 
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Kathy Back 
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S N I-D. #8059, reference case number 05-368. The time now, by my watch. is 
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approximately 6 minutes past 2pm on 3115/05. (Inaudible) 
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Cathy Back. Family Therapist. 
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K-A-T-H-Y 
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And you're her family therapist? Am I correct? 
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Yes. 
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Okay. I'm here today; 
, and I have stated briefly why I'm here is in 
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reference to an Incident that happened to a Mend of yours, or a girl you know. 
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Okay. After everything was done, okay. did he watch you get dressed? 
No. Cause I was gettng dressed while he was out there getting the $300. I 
guess that's what he was doing. That's the ony thing he came back In wtth. le 
was stil in a towel and stuff. 
In the room, at all, do you think...and I don't know if there Is or not, but do you 
think there is anything in there that may have recorded what you did/ 
Oh my gosh..,, 
A video camera... 
Oh my gosh. I didn't think about that. There was lots of places there could have 
been one because there's pictures, that could have been, I don't know... 
When he walked out... the reason why I ask Is because he walked out once and 
then owns back in, right? 
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he could whack off. Twee just curious. I don't know if 
there Is or not. 
If there was, I did not know about It. 
Okay. Myou get dressed, you go downstairs. Where is !hat woman again? 
Downstairs to Ildng to 
and the other girl. 
Okay. 
They were having a conversation. 
Okay. Al anytime, did he speak to you or does he knoW how old you'are. did he 
know how old you were? 
Okay. Yes. And, es a matter of fact, Haley told meto say I. was 18; becauSe , 
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sakilen him you're 18 because it you're not, ne won't let yeti in his house 
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Go I said lie\ was 18. As I was gifting him a maSsage; he;was like how old are-
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you, And thent-Was 181 But ',kind of said It realiy-fait neca6se lI didn't arant,to 
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how f knove what school I went to. 
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•Yeah, he was like what grade are you in? Because I told him I was In 12" grade 
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you told him you were in 12" grade? 
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Are you sure? 
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What else did you talk about? 
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that's about it. And he was kind of asking me like how I knew-, is 
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nice to me and then he told me how he knew 
and he was like, I was 
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'flatlet like, how do you know-. Cause I brought up the conversation. He 
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said went know 
because she's been working for ma for a long time. And 
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You said ho used the vibrator but where did he use 
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in my lcwer area.
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Your lower area'? Salow your waist? 
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(Inaudible.) 
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Okay, Eow long did he keep the vibrator on? 
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A few seconds 
Not long. It wasn't Long. 
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Okay. Did you tell him you didn't like that or --
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No. I told him -- I didn't tell his no and I 
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13 cumfortable but I didn't tall hurl that. And like I said, 1 
14 made the money that day no., 
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NUh-huh. 
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Yeeh, I told him I was 18 
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You told him you were 11? Okay. Er.d he want you 
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Ma said he would love if 2 coma back sometime but 
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Et didn't go for it? 
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It's not that ha didn't go for it. It's just that 
it he didn't ears for it 
And ate likes the girls that are 
12 between the ages of like 18.and 28. 
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Okay. 
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But mostly the g_rls I -- I think soma of them lie 
15 about their age. I know that when I started oft young / 
16 think le know bettor to believe a 
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calls tie, 
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Yeah, $100 more juot to take my shirt off. 
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Okay. And you said you didn't do U. 
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No. 
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Okay. iid he masturbate on the secont tine 
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Yoah. 
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And d_ci he ever climax? 
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Actually the second tiso like it waan't that bed 
8 because he was like on the phone, all the time end so he 
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Did he aver at any point. masturbate the second 
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No. Mot that I remember 
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Did he over ask you any ouostiona or speak to you 
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Weill, he tried to talk cc yes just to make you 
16 comfortable with the situation like wreee do you work and 
17 like how such do you make at your work and then he start 
18 saying you can mate more wtth nw, but i didn't tees JAR° it 
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Did he eve: know your real age? 
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After a while like because somebody told rim. 
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hike Holey told U8. we were.suopeald.to say wo 
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Okay. And did mho make money? Did IIII make 
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No, I ass taking her. 
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She knew about it and she ask me it I could tell 
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He came. 
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Okay. 
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Because he was like, made a big sigh of relief 
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Do you know where he cane on? was it on the 
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I think it was on the towel like right between his 
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Okay. An I told you before and L explained to 
10 Yolks mom, what he did was wrong, okay? 
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Uh•huh, 
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I want to reassure you on that. Okay? 
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At any point did he ever ask you to leave your 
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No 
Ho didn't ask ne for anything. Like I think 
16 he asked me my name in the beginning 
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Did he know your age? 
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I don't think -- be did. .4 think he did. 
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20 oLd are you just say you're 18 Mit he never askedne hOW.O14L 
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I tkcugbt you had to be a,oertain'ege to manage 
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Okay. All right. When you would go back and do 
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Well, no 
I mean I would take my jeans oft a lot 
5 o£ times or whatever but that was that. I never slept with 
6 him, I never did anything to him. Nothing like that, 
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Okay 
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manage wearing only pantie.? 
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Yes. 
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Okay. During the massage that you gave him, did 
11 he ever touch you? 
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Like I moan he would like touch my hip or whatever 
13 but I mean that, that.° really it 
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And if I lever like asked, if 2 ever said I wasn't 
16 comfortable with it, he's like or I don't went you to touch 
17 se, he'd ha like fine. (inaudible., 
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Vh-hub. I had been 18 for like eight menthe; m4ne 
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Yea. Yea. 
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