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A. I wouldn't say that. I don't know that. 
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O. Have you ever been on an airplane where you 
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looked at this and you thought, 'Hey, that's kind of 
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A. But they also --
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A. -- on another one: PAX. PAX, PM. 
O. You never thought that was odd either? 
A. No. I never actually even really paid 
attention to this paperwork. I don't see this. 
MS. EZELL: Brad, excuse me - this is 
Kathy EzeN - is there a date on that manifest 
you're showing? 
MR. EDWARDS: It's 2/3/05. 
MS. EZELL Thanks. 
MR. EDWARDS: Is that your 12-year old 
client listed as No. 6? 
MR. PIKE: Komi. Move to strike. 
MS. EZELL: No, but --
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MS. EZELL• Okay. Thanks. 
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A. It's -- I think its a 2 - 2/10. 
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O. Alright. Can you tell us who's on that 
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Yeah. 
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O. Jean Luc is another one who travels quite 
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frequently. Why, if you know. does he travel quite 
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frequently on these airplanes to and from New York with 
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Jeffrey Epstein - any idea? 
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A. My only assumption was business, and 
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that's just an assumption. 
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O. What kind of business do you know of that they 
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have in common? 
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A. I was under the impression a modeling 
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business. 
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O. Other than the modeling agency. what other 
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business do they engage In together, if you know? 
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A. I don't know. 
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A. No. 
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A. I don't even know who David Mullen really 
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Q. Have you ever seen him? 
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A. I might be able to plate him if I saw a 
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picture of him. 
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him a lot. 
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Yeah, so, I mean, obviously I would 
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recognize him if I saw a picture. 
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O. Do you know if he travels with anybody else on 
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Ibis? 
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A. Unless its that one name I don't 
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recognize - that Jansen, or whatever. 
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O. But Jansen's not somebody you know? 
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A. No, no. 
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O. I can't read that date - maybe you can. I got 
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a bad lax copy. 
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A. No, just that the only conversation he 
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the models or is Jeffrey procuring the models? 
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A. I don't know. 
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Q. You never investigated Into how this modeling 
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agency is doing or anything else? 
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A. No, no interest. 
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You try to stay completely out of it? 
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A. No interest. 
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O. Especially in light of the recent things 
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you've read. 
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A. Okay. 
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2115/05 - that's the date. right? 
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(Sic); is that right? 
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A. That's what it says. 
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0. Is that a typical crew that you would see on 
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the plane? 
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A. What year is this? In '05? 
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0. Yes. 
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A. Yes, but towards the end there, I think 
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the last year, I only saw Ms. Maxwell once. 
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Ghislaine Maxwell and Epstein had? 
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A. Well, no. I think they still -- I think 
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she still has a lot of association, or whatever. 
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Stanleys are. 
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A. No. 
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A. -- there's a lot of wealthy people down 
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there. They might have been friends or associates 
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that needed a lift back stateside. 
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0. Fair enough. 
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What's the next one? 
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A. Teterboro to PBI. 
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A. Jeffrey, 
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and M. 
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record? 
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THE WITNESS: 2/24. 
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travel a lot 
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with Jeffrey. Is it ever your understanding that Jeffrey 
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Epstein had a sexual relationship with either of them? 
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A. That is not my understanding, no. 
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having a boyfriend 
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did figure out the relationship, other than I assumed 
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they were a couple and she was a business assistant -
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associate, but that was all assumption. 
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Ms. Maxwell. 
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other female that appeared to be in a intimate 
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relationship with Jeffrey Epstein? 
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say it was a relationship, no. 
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know these people. Tell me who they are. It looks like 
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you're on the airplane --
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0. -- and the date is 2/21/05. 
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A. Right. 
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A. I don't know who the Stanleys are. 
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A. I don't know his last name. 
Q. How long has she been dating him? 
A. I don't know. This Is just Larry, you 
know, every once in a while asks. you know, 'What's 
going on?' 'Who's' 
You know, I don't know. 
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A. I think he's down here. I think he's one 
of Mr. Epstein's legal team or something or .-
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Larry Visoski? 
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A. This is all -- I don't remember. Some 
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mean, in this day and age when you can get back and 
forth to New York via airlines. or anywhere: I mean, 
at times. yes, that would be a fair assumption, but 
not continuously.
O. And what was the context in which the 
conversation came up where Larry Visoski says,". 
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don't want to say 'very little knowledge' - you obviously 
have seen her several times --
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attorney. 
O. And what else does he tell you? I mean, there 
are other changes other than, 'Hey, 
dating 
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A couple of the - couple of long time 
people at the ranch were laid off. 
O. Such as who? 
A. Oh, God - Mike and =. 
O. Mike and =? 
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Yeah. 
O. And those are people that run the Zorro 
Ranch --
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They don't run It. 
O. - in New Mexico? 
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They work there, yeah. And other changes 
to the island. You know, I can't remember all the 
names. I believe Adam, who was the chef, at the 
Island left. 
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Yes. 
O. And why did he leave? 
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the boss obviously is Jeffrey Epstein? 
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A. Correct. Yes. 
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A. Right. 
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because the boss is --
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either incarcerated or under house arrest. 
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Yeah. It may have been a layoff kind of 
thing - and the economy too. I mean, everybody's 
affected. 
O. What's your understanding about Mike and 
A. Just that they were laid off. I don't 
know the exact reasoning that they were laid off. 
O. And before we go back to this: Have you ever 
been to that Zorro Ranch --
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Yes. 
Q. -- in New Mexico? 
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Yes. 
O. How many times? 
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Several. 
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Why? 
A. Because when we take them out there it was 
too far to airline home. so we'd stay - stay at the 
ranch. 
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And what was he there to do? 
A. I have no idea. 
O. Well, you were at the ranch, right? 
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Yeah, but it's a big complex. There's --
The main house is literally probably 3 or 4 miles 
from where we stay. 
O. Was 
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O. Ha --
A. Like I say, he's up at the main house. 
Once we were at the ranch there's really no contact. 
O. Yeah, but I'm familiar with where this ranch 
is, and it's kind of in the middle of nowhere, right? 
A. Yeah. 
O. And. you know, so when people come to or Irom 
the ranch, I mean, you can't help but almost be familiar 
that somebody's coming, right? 
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something or a truck. There's always a lot of 
activity, construction, and everything else going on. 
Where we stayed at Ranch Central, the 
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A. It could have. 
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invited for dinner, or something, at the main house 
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and they were coming down to get him. 
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that because that's apparently what Mr. Epelein's named 
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it, right? 
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Yes. 
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what? 
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It was a dinner meeting or something. 
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small, little • basically like little hotel rooms 
where we stayed, you know, it was on a busy road 
because there was always like a lot of construction 
stuff and the ranch hands and everything up and down. 
O. Did you see girls going to visit him there? 
A. Yes. 
Q. How often would girls go to visit him there? 
A. I don't know. 
O. Did these --
A. Not that often. 
O. Did these seem like girls local to New Mexico 
or had they just Ilown in on an airplane. landed a 
helicopter on the property? 
A. Oh, I don't know. I never -- 
MR. PIKE: Form. 
A. I never saw them up close. I mean --
O. Did they come in taxicabs? 
MR. PIKE: Form. 
A. I can't remember that • don't think so. 
Q. You don't ever think a girl came in a taxicab 
to the New Mexico ranch? 
A. I don't ever remember seeing a taxicab on 
the ranch. 
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A. Of course not. 
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A. I have no idea. 
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involved with any of the girls that would have been 
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brought to the house? 
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A. Oh, no. no, not that I have. 
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A. Not that I know. no. 
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never would have known anyway, right? 
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A. That's correct, yeah. 
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know for a fact - I thought that part of the property 
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the Zorro was built on was owned by Bill Richardson. 
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He sold it to Jeffrey. 
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Q. Ever known Bill Richardson to be on Epstein's 
airplane? 
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A. No. not the Boeing. 
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A. I don't know that. 
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A. No, not that I remember, not that I 
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met him was one time at Ranch Central. 
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A. No. 
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Are you familiar with some of Epstein's 
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and Air Ghislaine. 
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Q. What's Air Ghislaine? 
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That's the helicopters - that's what 
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they're under. 
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Q. He named it after Ghislaine Maxwell? 
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Apparently so. I would assume so. 
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You've never heard that? 
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him being at Zorro Ranch? 
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with Bill Richardson? 
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A. No. 
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O. When you were at the ranch, did you ever 
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notice underage girls at the ranch? 
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A. No. 
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A. No, I wouldn't --
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O. I'm assuming you're not trying with me either. 
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A. No. I would assume so. I mean, that's an 
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the tie is. Like I say, I didn't know even know who 
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Prince Andrew is when I first heard of it. I would 
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have thought it would have been more of a tie with 
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Ms. Maxwell. 
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the two, that being Prince Andrew, together with Mr. 
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Epstein? 
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A. That could be, yes, yep. 
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meeting at Epstein's house, do you remember Glislaine 
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Maxwell also being there? 
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A. Can't say for sure. Can't say for sure. 
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O. Have you heard of Jeffrey Epstein winning the 
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lottery in New Mexico? 
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which is all part of Composite Exhibit 1 - is a flight 
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A. Yes. 
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O. Who's on that? Nobody. mars a test flight? 
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O. Do you know what she does for him? 
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Isn't that the one that you 
told me - you just mentioned earlier? I have no idea 
what her relationship is. 
O. Has he ever told you what any of his employees 
actually do for him • why he employs so many people to do 
so many different things • has he told you that? 
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A. No• no. I mean, you know, who runs each 
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house and who the driver is, stuff like that. No, he 
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would never mention that. 
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A. No, no. 
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part of running the house that ensures that underage 
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girls are going to be there for him every day? 
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A. No. 
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O. 3/4/2005 flight log - who's on it? 
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A. Jeffrey, Ghislaine Maxwell, David Mullen. 
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Q. David Mullen • once again, we don't know who 
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this guy is, do you? 
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A. And I don't know. Honestly. I can't 
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O. Do you know where he lives? 
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A. No. 
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what happened at his house with the girls? 
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•• what's been in the newspapers and 
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O. Why not? 
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A. There was no purpose to it. There was no 
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need to. 
4 
O. He's your boss for a long time, right? 
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A. 
Yeah. 
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O. Was he good to you? 
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A. 
Yes. 
8 
O. Did you support him? 
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A. 
Yes. 
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O. 
You supported him while he was in jail? 
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A. I was 
Yes, I mean. 
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O. Did the allegations bother you? 
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A. 
Yes. 
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O. Somebody that you still support despite the 
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allegations? 
18 
MR. PIKE: Form. 
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A. 
Yes, yes. 
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O. 
You realize that he did plead guilty to the 
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offenses as well, right? 
22 
A. That's what I read. 
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not the facts. 
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O. Okay? Then, 'You can continue to come back 
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for 5200 every time or every girt you bring me within 
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per person.' If that is the testimony --
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MR. PIKE: Form. 
O. -- that what happens behind closed doors with 
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him, do you still feel comfortable leaving a 13 or 14 
10 
year old in a room with Jeffrey Epstein? 
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A. If that, in fact, is what actually 
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happened, no. 
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O. I'll show you the next flight log is 3/8/05. 
15 
Here, just so these are in order, III • 3/8/05. 
16 
A. Okay. 
17 
Q. Who's on that airplane? 
18 
Jeffrey, 
and
19 
O. Seem to be people that he travels with 
20 
frequently. 
21 
A. 
Yes, normal - his normal entourage. 
22 
O. Have you read recently the agreement that was 
23 
entitled the 'Non-Prosecution Agreement'? 
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A. No. All I read was what was in the paper. 
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A. Okay. 
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O. -- as his co-conspirators. 
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Do you know any of the acts that M. M, 
or 
have done in an attempt to get Jeffrey Epstein 
young girls to molest? 
A. Only what I've read in the paper. 
MR. PIKE: Move to strike. 
BY MR. EDWARDS: 
Q. Again, Jeffrey Epstein. Ghislaine Maxwell. and 
who's that? 
MR. REINHART: Can we get a date, please? 
BY MR. EDWARDS: 
O. Sony. the date is 3/18/05. On this flight 
log, who are the names? 
A. Ghislaine - Jeffrey. Ghislaine Maxwell, 
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Q. Do you know Ghislaine Maxwell on a social 
level or only from him? 
A. No. just professional 
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Q. This is the first time we've seen 
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mentioned on any flight logs, right? 
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A. Fight. 
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O. Do you find it at all peculiar that 
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is listed but certain other people who may or may not be 
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of age are listed generically • one female. Why would 
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they go out of their way to list 
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A. I don't know. Maybe she was already an 
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employee or something. I don't know. 
11 
O. If she's an employee at the time. then that 
12 
would be a good explanation, right? 
13 
A. Right. I don't know. 
14 
a 
if she's not an employee, then is there any 
15 
explanation? 
16 
MR. PIKE: Form. 
17 
A. Unless 
No. I don't know. I don't 
Is 
know. Maybe Bill asked her. That looks like Bill's 
19 
writing there when he was captain. 
20 
O. We'll move to 3/22/05. 
21 
A. Okay. 
22 
O. 
Who's listed? 
23 
A. Actually, this wasn't even my flight. 
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female, 
female 
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bisexual? Do you know of any of her girlfriends? 
A. I do not know that. 
O. Are you aware that Ghislaine Maxwell, In sworn 
testimony and In complaints, has been alleged to have 
used vibrators. dildos, and have sex with these underage 
girls as well? 
A. I don't --
MR. PIKE: Form. 
A. I was not aware of that. 
O. Do you know who 
A. 
Q. 
A. I belly° so. yeah, because " 
an 
unusual name. 
O. Do you know if MI is underage or if she is 
of age at the time that this happened - at the time they 
list her name? 
A. Oh, I don't know for sure, but. I mean, 
she • when I 
If it is the 
I remember, 
she was older. I mean. I can't even guess her age, 
mid-twenties, late twenties, I mean. 
O. Okay. Do you --
A. If it's the 
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O. mars not your flight? 
2 
A. No. 
Diaz is one of the few 
3 
engineers I used as a relief. See his name written 
4 
in up there? 
5 
O. 
Yes, but it has your name written under 
6 
right? 
7 
A. Well, yeah, because these are pre-printed 
8 
forms. They neglected to scratch my name out. 
9 
O. My idea why now they're going to list 'one 
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female, one renal'? That doesn't seem to be protocol 
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here, does it? 
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A. I don't 
Yeah. I have no idea. I don't 
13 
have an answer for that, I really don't. 
14 
O. Cenainly, if you're able to get 
to 
15 
tell you her name, it doesn't take much effort to get two 
16 
other people to tell you their name, right? 
17 
A. Like I say, the only thing I can think of 
18 
is if 
an employee by that tine. that they knew 
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her. I don't know. 
20 
O. Did it ever at any point in time cross your 
21 
mind that there may be something illegal going on here -
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ever? 
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O. Here when you're traveling on the airplane 
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with these various girls and they're listed as 'one 
3 
female' • generically listed - anything ever cross your 
4 
mind, 'maybe something's not exactly kosher"? 
5 
A. No. 
6 
MR. PIKE: Form, asked and answered 
7 
several times. 
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BY MR. EDWARDS: 
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O. Who's that? The date is 3/31/05. 
10 
A. Jeffrey, Ghislaine, and M. 
11 
O. Lets see, 10/15 and 10/17, both look like 
12 
nobody's on them, so I'll show them to you together. 
13 
A. There might be remarks here: 'Maintenance 
14 
test flight' out of Lake City, Florida. 
15 
We were coming out of maintenance: 'No 
16 
passengers, maintenance, relocation lot the engineer 
17 
repair.' 
18 
O. Okay. 4/6/05 - who's on it? 
19 
A. Jeffrey, MI. 
Oavid Mullen, 
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O. Last one. 
A. Jeffrey • 6/8/05 - 
David 
Mullen. 
Mark Zen — 
CI. Do you know who Mark Zefl is? 
A. No 
Doug Shuttle, M. 
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A. I can't 
I can't say for sure. I mean. 
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we used to carry a massage table on the airplane. I 
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never saw one used. I don't know for sure. 
4 
O. Are you being paid to be here today? 
A. No, no. I mean, I'm on salary. I mean --
6 
O. Right. 
7 
A. -- because of - for the maintenance, but, 
8 
no. 
9 
O. Are you going to ask Jeffrey Epstein at some 
10 
point in time, 'Why you hired an attorney to sit here 
11 
with me?' 
12 
A. No. 
11 
MR. PIKE: Form. 
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A. I would never 
I would not approach 
15 
Jeffrey for that. 
16 
O. Do you have any idea why Jeffrey Epstein might 
17 
want an attorney to sit here for you? 
18 
MR. PIKE: Form. 
19 
A. No. I mean, maybe -- I don't know. 
20 
O. Do you think that the attorney sitting here is 
21 
for the purpose so that you don't say anything to 
22 
incriminate Jeffrey Epstein? 
23 
A. No, no. I was told strictly that he was 
24 
here upon my behalf. 
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and 
are? 
2 
A. I think 
I remember - sounds familiar. 
3 
O. How did she look? 
4 
A. I can't remember. I just --
5 
O. Overage, underage? 
6 
MR. PIKE: Form. 
7 
A. I never saw any that I saw that looked to 
a 
me underage. 
9 
O. Have you ever been to Jeffrey Epstein's house 
10 
• his Palm Beach house? 
11 
A. Yes. 
12 
O. You stayed for an entire day? 
13 
A. No, no. 
14 
O. No? 
15 
A. It would be like an hour at the most 
16 
waiting to talk to him for a minute. No. 
17 
O. Let me ask it this way: Has he ever told you 
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that he's infatuated with massages? 
19 
A. No. he's never told me that. 
20 
MR. PIKE: Form. 
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O. Have you ever known him to get a professional 
23 
massage anywhere you go? 
24 
A. Yeah, I believe so. 
25 
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you witnessed Jeffrey Epstein committing? 
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A. No. 
3 
O. Would you -
4 
A. No. 
5 
O. -- go back • considering what you've read and 
6 
what you may or may not believe - would you go back to 
7 
working for Jeffrey Epstein? 
8 
MR. PIKE: Form. 
9 
A. I can't say. I still work for him on a 
10 
maintenance - to maintain the airplanes and stuff 
11 
like that, so. 
12 
O. You're on his payroll? 
13 
A. Salaried, yes. 
14 
O. Do you know who else is on his payroll? 
15 
A. Well. Dave and Larry. 
16 
O. Certainly, if I want to know more about his 
17 
private life - do you know who's at his house? 
le 
A. No. 
19 
O. Do you know who his housekeeper is? 
20 
A. No. 
21 
O. Do you know who his architect is? 
22 
A. No. no. 
23 
O. Does Larry visit him at his house? 
24 
A. I would assume so. 
25 
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means he told you something, right? 
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A. 
Well, he handles -- Jeffrey does a lot of 
3 
- he likes high-end stereo equipment and video 
4 
equipment, and Larry is an expert at audio and video 
5 
installations and stuff. 
6 
O. How about David Rodgers - ever at his house? 
7 
A. Probably, but more like on the grounds of 
8 
me, you know. 
9 
O. 
Any other famous people that you met through 
10 
Jeff Epstein? 
11 
A. On the airplane? 
12 
O. 
Yes. 
13 
A. 
Walter Cronkite. 
14 
O. 
Oh, yeah? 
15 
A. He was very nice. Yeah. He was very 
16 
feeble, but he was very nice. We had to carry him 
17 
down the steps. 
O. 
Where did that flight go to? 
19 
A. New York to St. Thomas. He's an avid 
20 
sailor. He loves to sail or loved to sail. 
21 
O. 
What's the magician's name - David 
22 
Coppedield? 
23 
A. 
No, I don't think I was on that. I don't 
21 
think I flew that. I heard that we had flown him. I 
25 
can't say for sure. I would remember that. I would 
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Yes. I guess. Yeah. I don't know 
exactly. 
O. 
Have you ever heard of 
know --
O. 
A. 
O. 
A. 
O. 
A. 
O. 
A. 
some form • associate of Jeffrey or Ghislaine's or 
both. 
O. 
And where does he live? 
A. 
I think he lives in California, I believe. 
O. 
What do you know about him? 
A. 
Well, he's - just al I just told you. I 
think he's - he's an options writer or something like 
- not an options writer, hedge funds or something 
like that. He's in money. It's 
He's got an 
airplane. I think he's got a quarter share or part 
of an airplane. 
O. 
Do you know anybody that owns any properly 
sounds familiar, but I don't 
No. I can't say that I have. 
Elena Weber? 
Can't say that I have. 
Glenn Dubin? 
Glenn Dubin, yes. 
How do you know him? 
I think he's a money or finance manager of 
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remember it. I have never met David Copperfield, but 
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I heard that we had. Naomi Campbell - flew her a 
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couple times. 
4 
O. What do you understand Naomi Campbell and 
5 
Jeffrey Epstein's relationship to bo? 
6 
A. 
I don't. I assume it was modeling. I 
7 
don't know. It was like two trips. 
a 
O. 
Jeffrey Epstein ever tell you how long he was 
9 
in the modeling industry? 
10 
A. 
Nevor discussed it. 
11 
O. So the first you know of is whatever 
12 
involvement he's in with Jean Luc Brunel. 
13 
A. 
Right. 
14 
Q. That's the first time --
15 
A. 
Yes. 
16 
Q. 
you've never known him to be in modeling. 
17 
A. Correct, that I was aware of. And, 
la 
actually, nobody ever told me that but picking up 
19 
bits of conversation like such as the one about the 
20 
motor home door. 
21 
O. What exactly did he say about the motor home 
22 
door that led you to know that Epstein and modeling is --
23 
A. They were at - on location fora modeling 
24 
shoot and they had a motor home. 
25 
O. 
-They' meaning Jeffrey Epstein and somebody. 
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with Epstein? 
2 
A. No. 
3 
O. What other properties does Jeffrey Epstein 
4 
own? I know we talked about the Zorro Ranch, the place 
5 
in New York, you talked about an island. West Palm Beach. 
6 
A. That's all that I'm aware of. 
7 
O. How about Paris? 
8 
A. 
I don't know that he owns them. That's 
9 
where he goes for homes. 
10 
O. Ever go to Paris with him? 
it 
A. 
He does have an apartment in Paris. I 
12 
don't know - however that works out, if it's a lease 
13 
or own or what. 
14 
O. Who are the house managers of the yar10,IS 
15 
places that he owns? 
16 
MR. PIKE: Form. 
17 
A. 
I don't know anymore. There has been so 
18 
much shake up, you know. 
19 
O 
Well. who were they? Do you know the 
20 
Freidman out in California? Do you know Eve and 
21 
Patrick? 
22 
A. 
No. 
23 
Q. 
Alfredo Rochigue7? 
24 
A. No. 
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A. No, those are ali t know. 
2 
O. 
You tell me. Who do you know? 
3 
A. God, I can't think. It's been so long 
4 
ago. 
5 
O. Other than Joe-Joe. 
6 
A. Well, Joe-Joe doesn't • he's just a driver 
7 
for New York - he and his wife. I could remember 
8 
them if I saw their names. I would know which house 
9 
they were associated with. I'm terrible with names 
10 
anymore. unfortunately. The couple that's now at the 
11 
ranch or was at the ranch is at the island helping 
12 
manage as an intern. 
13 
0. Who's that? 
14 
A. Honestly, I can't remember their names. 
15 
If you were to give me a name, I could attach it to 
16 
each house. 
17 
O. I wish I could. 
18 
A. 
Yeah, I'm sorry, I Can't. It's just --
19 
0. Do you know Matisse Vasquez? 
20 
A. No. Marisa sounds familiar. I don't 
21 
know. 
22 
O. 
Something to do with the modeling agency? 
23 
A. Can't say for sure - can't say. 
24 
O. How about Kalib Shalom? 
25 
A. No, never heard of that one. 
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O. Do you remember a young woman named g who 
2 
flew frequently with Jeffrey Epstein? 
3 
A. No. I don't recall a 
4 
O. You mentioned 
5 
A. AM, yes. I remember the name 
6 
O. Can you describe M? 
7 
A. No. I'm sorry. I can't. I just recognize 
s 
the name • or the sound of the name. 
9 
O. Do you have any recollection as to what period 
10 
of time 
flew with Mr. Epstein? 
11 
A. It was on one of those Passenger 
12 
Manifests. I thought I only saw it one time. 
13 
MR. REINHART: Kathy - this is Bruce • the 
14 
passenger manifest that had that name on it was 
is 
dated June 8, 2005. 
16 
MS. EZELL: So all of those that Brad went 
17 
over were '04 and n5, I believe. 
18 
MR. REINHART: Correct. 
19 
BY MS. EZELL: 
20 
O. Let's see. did you ever fly Mr. Epstein to St. 
21 
Louis? 
22 
A. No. 
23 
O. Did you ever fiy him to San Francisco? 
24 
A. No. 
25 
O. What about France? 
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MR. EDWARDS: Let me look over my notes 
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real fast. Anybody else going to have some 
3 
questions so I can look over my notes and maybe 
4 
ask a couple more? 
5 
MR. PIKE: Brad, when I get a chance to 
6 
cross, I definitely will have some questions for 
7 
the witness. 
MR. EDWARDS: Okay. Any other plaintiff 
9 
attorneys? Kathy? I think Kathy quit on us • 
10 
must have been too boring. Anybody else? 
11 
Hold on Mike. Give me one minute and then 
12 
I think you can shoot. 
13 
MS. EZELL: Brad? 
14 
MR. EDWARDS: Yes? 
is 
MS. EZELL: I'm sorry, it's Kathy. I 
16 
didn't realize my mute was on. I do have a few 
17 
questions. 
18 
MR. EDWARDS: Okay. Go ahead. 
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BY MS. EZELL: 
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O. Mr. Morrison • forgive me. I didn't write it 
22 
down • when did you begin working for Mr. Epstein? 
23 
A. January 2001. 
24 
O. Do you remember a young woman named 
25 
A. No. I'm sorry. I can't - I don't. 
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A. Yes. Paris. 
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O. And Spain? 
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A. No. mope. 
4 
O. Carmen 
s 
A. Carmel? 
6 
MR. REINHART: California. Kathy? 
7 
MS. EZELL: Yes. 
A. No. we wouldn't have -- Was that Monterey 
9 
area? 
10 
MR. REINHART: Yes. 
11 
A. Yes. 
12 
O. Monterey you did. okay. 
13 
Do you remember a woman named Emmy • who would 
14 
accompany Elaine (sic) Maxwell? 
15 
A. Yes. I remember Emmy. I believe she was 
16 
Britian Cr --
17 
O. And what was her function? 
18 
A. To the best of my knowledge. she was MS. 
19 
Maxwell's assistant. 
20 
O. Did there come a point in time where ms. 
21 
Maxwell flew her own plane? 
22 
A. No. 
23 
O. Did there come a lime that you became aware 
24 
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O. 
And whose plane would she fly on on those 
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occasions? 
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A. I don't know. There was 
She had a 
4 
fractional - of a flight options. She had some 
5 
flight options. When you said -- Can I ask --
6 
O. 
Yes. 
7 
A. -- when you stated, *Did she fly her own 
8 
planer, did you mean as a pilot? 
9 
O. Yes, yes. 
10 
A. No. no. I stand with, no. 
11 
O. Did you ever know her to fly a helicopter? 
12 
A. 
Yes. 
13 
Q. And when was that? 
14 
A. 
Several times. I don't remember exactly 
15 
when she got her initial rating. Can't remember 
16 
exactly when she got her initial rating. It was 
17 
before - I think before - maybe around 2000, 2001. I 
18 
don't know that for a fact. 
19 
O. Among the various pilots that you have worked 
20 
with for Jeffrey Epstein, do you know of any who has a 
21 
house on the Zorro Ranch properly? 
22 
A. Yes. 
23 
O. And who is that? 
24 
A. Larry Visoski. 
25 
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A. I can't say that I have, no. I cant say 
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that I did. 
3 
O. Do you remember flying three young girls back 
4 
to France after Mr. Epstein's birthday party? 
5 
A. No. no, I can't say that I do, and I 
6 
didn't remember what birthday - that there was a big 
7 
birthday party. 
O. 
Olcay. Well, forget the party part. 
9 
A. Okay. 
10 
O. 
Were you aware that Mr. Brunel flew in three 
11 
12-year-old girls for Mr. Epstein's pleasure on his 
12 
birthday? 
13 
A. No. I was not aware of that, no. 
14 
O. 
And you have no recollection of having young 
15 
women that young on flights that you were flying on? 
16 
A. 
That's correct. 
17 
MR. PIKE: Form. 
18 
BY MS. EZELL: 
19 
O. I don't have any other questions. Thank you. 
20 
A. Thank you. 
21 
MR. EDWARDS: Mike. I don't really think 
22 
anybody 
sony. 
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Jeffrey Epstein? 
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A. I do not know. 
3 
O. Were you ever given any properties by Mr. 
4 
Epstein? 
5 
A. No. 
6 
O. 
You said that you did know Mr. Jean Luc 
7 
Brunel? 
8 
A. Yes. I knew of him - and it was as an 
9 
acquaintance - as a passenger. 
10 
Q. 
Did you fly him to and from Paris? 
11 
A. 
Yes. 
12 
O. 
Do you ever remember flying three girls from 
13 
Paris for Mr. Brunel --
14 
MR. PIKE: Form. 
15 
O. 
-- to be guests of Mr. Epstein? 
16 
MR. PIKE: Form. 
17 
A. I can't say that I remember that exactly, 
18 
no, and I didn't know who - whose guests they were 
19 
for who. 
20 
Q. Do you remember flying three young girls to 
21 
Mr. Epstein's birthday party? 
22 
MR. PIKE: Form. 
23 
A. I don't --
24 
Q. I'm sony, I meant from France. 
25 
MR. PIKE: Form. 
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question, sir. I didn't catch the complete and full 
2 
spelling of your name. 
3 
A. My name? 
4 
O. Yes, sir - the witness? 
5 
A. Irs Larry - Lima. Alpha. Romeo, Romeo. 
6 
Yankee • and last name is Morrison - Mike. Oscar. 
7 
Romeo, Romeo, India, Sierra, Oscar. November. 
MR. WILLITS: Thank you, sir. 
9 
MR. EDWARDS: Mike, shoot. 
10 
MR. PIKE: Thank you. Thank you. 
11 
CROSS-EXAMINATION 
12 
BY MR. PIKE: 
13 
O. Mr. Morrison. my name is Michael Piko. 
14 
represent Jeffrey Epstein. 
15 
A. Hi. 
16 
O. I'm gong to ask you a couple of questions. 
17 
If you do not hear me. please ask me to repeat the 
10 
question • as I'm on a telephone - and by virtue of being 
19 
on the telephone, I've noticed that there's some lag time 
20 
between some answers and responses. 
21 
MR. PIKE: So, Brad. Interrupt me, Atm 
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talking over the witness as wet 
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on Mr. Epstein's plane from January 1, 2001, up until the 
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time you stopped flying. Do you recall some of those 
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questions? 
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A. 
Yes. 
5 
O. 
With regard to the female passengers that Mr. 
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Edwards discussed with you, do you recall if any of them 
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ever left the plane in a scared manner? 
A. No, no. 
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O. Did any of those girls ever appear to be 
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disheveled to you in any way? 
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A. No. 
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0. Did any of these girls that were on the plane 
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ever claim to be battered or sexually assaulted? 
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A. Not tome, no. 
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0. Did any of these women appear to be in shock 
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to you? 
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A. No. 
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MR. EDWARDS: Object to the form. 
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By MR. PIKE: 
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0. Were any of these women ever crying as they 
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exited the plane when you were the pilot? 
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A. No. not that I saw. 
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0. Did any of these women appear to be injured as 
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A. No. not that I saw. 
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MR. PIKE: I have no further questions. 
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MR. EDWARDS: I have a couple more - just 
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follow-up • from what Kathy asked. 
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0. Did any of the people - along Mike Pike's 
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lines - did any of the girls on the airplane tell you 
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that he pled guilty to two felonies in court? 
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MR. PIKE: Form. 
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A. No, I haven't - I have not spoken to Mr. 
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Epstein. I don't believe --
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0. No, no. I think the question was: Did any of 
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the girls tell you that Mr. Epstein pled guilty in court? 
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A. 
Which girls? 
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0. Any of the girls on the airplane that we're 
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talking about. 
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A. No, I don't think -- Actually. I don't 
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know when he pled because I think I was - stopped 
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flying by then. 
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0. So there were a lot of things that happened on 
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the airplane that the girls didn't necessarily tell you 
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about, right? 
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MR. PIKE: Form. 
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A. That I wasn't — Like I Say, going back to 
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O. Did any of these women ever tell you, as the 
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captain of the plane, that they were forced to do 
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something against their will while a passenger on the 
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plane? 
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MR. EDWARDS: Object to the form. 
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A. I was -- Actually, to correct the 
question, I guess I was not captain - I was flight 
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engineer • but, no. 
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0. Did they ever tell you that they had been 
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forced to do anything inappropriate? 
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A. No. 
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0. Did they ever tell you that they had been 
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assaulted in any way? 
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A. No. 
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0. Did they ever tell you that they had been 
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inappropeatety touched in any way? 
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A. No. 
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BY MR. PIKE: 
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0. Did they ever tell you or did you ever hear of 
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anyone claiming that they had been sexually assaulted. 
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battered, or raped while on the plane? 
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MR. EDWARDS: Form. 
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A. No. 
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February of '07. 
O. That's true. 
Did any of the girls Co the airplane tell you 
about things that happened on the airplane that he later 
pled guilty to? 
MR. PIKE: Fenn. 
A. No. 
0. Did any of the girls on the airplane really 
talk to you? 
A. No. 
O. Okay, so all of this is kind of silly. 
Alright. Gel it. 
Emmy would accompany Ms. Maxwell. When you 
Say "would accompany her?" what did you mean about that? 
A. She was like her assistant. Actually. I 
don't -- I didn't see Emmy very many times. I don't 
know when she stopped working there. but she would --
Yeah, I just -- She would be on trips with her --
O. And did you --
A. -- and. I think, handle her logistics 
issues and stuff like that. 
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certificate 
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chair 
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Chairman 
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chairs 
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challenge 
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challenging 
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chance 
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change 
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changes 
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Charlie 
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chef 
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Chief 
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children 
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choice 
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chose 
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Chris 
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circle 
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CIRCUIT 
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cite 
16:19 
city 
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10S:12,13 
105:14 
181:14 
civilly 
131:18,20 
claim 
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claiming 
198:21 
clarify 
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50:7 73:11 
74:6 96:16 
148:25 
class 
28:11 
cleaning 
14:25 
clear 
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Clearlake 
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client 
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clients 
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Clinton 
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125:13 
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closer 
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clothing 
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clue 
119:9 
cockpit 
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93:15 
114:19 
cocktail 
150:25 
COLEMAN 
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college 
62:3 
Columbus 
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coming 
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comment 
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common 
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communica... 
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complete 
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completely 
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completions 
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complex 
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composite 
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computer 
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conceive 
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concerned 
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concerning 
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contact 
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contacted 
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context 
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continue 
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cook 
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copies 
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Copperfield 
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cordoned 
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