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FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION 
Dmeacmry 
 
09/17/7021
I, date of birth 
was interviewed at 
Present for the interview was 
attorneys 
Also present was 
Assistant United States Attorneys 
along with 
Detective 
and Special Agent 
After being advised of 
the identities of the above listed individuals and the nature of the 
interview, 
provided the following information: 
has talked with friends over the past few months. 
also 
talked wit 
. All have been 
contacted by GHISLAINE MAXWELL's (MAXWELL) attorneys. MAXWELL's lawyers 
showed up to speak to 
MAXWELL introduced 
deceased. 
helped 
it 
the day she met him. 
to 
is like 
, who is now 
son 
lives 
remembers 
( 
) told 
that he was not going to speak with her 
again. MAXWELL had called 
at some point and asked if 
was 
going to talk. 
felt that 
will make it difficult to use. 
felt 
( 
was also difficult. 
reached out 
to 
asking if she could talk to him. 
told her he did not want 
to talk if it was about MAXWELL. 
sent 
a message saying, 
"Friends don't say things to get friends in trouble." 
Invesliptionm 
09/01/2021 
nko 50D-NY-3027571 
at 
Date Mailed 
09/10/2021 
by  
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advised 
made up a 
story of how she tried to stop MAXWELL and how she confronted MAXWELL. 
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(U) Interview of 
ConimunenofFD-302of September 1, 2021 
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09/01/2021 
pav 
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learned MAXWELL'S lawyers had called 
At some point, 
wanted 
to go to Paris. They stayed at a hotel 
in 
There were fantastic dinners and fancy parties. There were a 
lot of drugs and alcohol. The lifestyle was normalized. They were with a 
group of people and 
recalled MAXWELL coming to the lobby of the 
hotel and she went out with them that night. 
recalled wearing a 
velvet catsuit with white shoes; she weighed around 951bs at the time. 
recalled MAXWELL commenting on how she looked, "You're doing it 
right." To 
, MAXWELL was like an old lady. MAXWELL was very 
charismatic and very reaffirming. 
and MAXWELL exchanged numbers. 
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(U) Interview of 
ConimunenofFD•302of September 1, 2021 
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advised JEFFREY EPSTEIN (EPSTEIN) had a black book. 
also had 
one that he had laminated and carried around. 
A short time after 
called her house. 
met MAXWELL and was back in 
, MAXWELL 
did not remember having a direct conversation with MAXWELL about her 
age. 
age was discussed because with 
and other men around, 
they wanted younger women. MAXWELL told her, "You're only as young as the 
women you field." 
told MAXWELL she lived in 
MAXWELL told 
an4 
When 
where she lived, 
was around 19/20 years old, 
AXWELL 
recalled telling MAXWELL 
did not recall what MAXWELL was wearing, but recalled she had short 
dark hair. The whole time 
knew MAXWELL, MAXWELL had short hair. 
remembered thinking AMXWELL was attractive but she needed other 
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FD-302a (Rev 54.10) 
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50D-NY-3027571 
(U) Interview of 
ConlimmimmofFD.302of September 1, 2021 
On 09/01/2021 .fts, 5 of 11 
people around her. MAXWELL was smart but not one of the hot girls. • 
recalled either 
or MAXWELL told her that they had went to OXFORD 
together. 
When MAXWELL called 
after they first met, MAXWELL invited her over 
for tea. MAXWELL had a general attitude that she was powerful. 
was 
excited about it. 
did not understand why MAXWELL liked her. 
MAXWELL had a lot going on. MAXWELL was a friend of 
It was frowned upon to ask about people's work and money. 
When 
had tea with MAXWELL the first time it was just the two of 
them. MAXWELL talked to 
like a schoolgirl. 
advised that 
grown women do not talk about boys, they talk about men. The language 
MAXWELL used was reminiscent of a schoolgirl. MAXWELL used words like 
silly, naughty, boys, kissing, and called men's genitalia "willies". 
MAXWELL almost presented like she was younger than 
talk like that. 
did not 
wanted MAXWELL to like her and took her cues from her. MAXWELL 
asked 
about 
. At this point, 
relationship with 
was pretty much over. MAXWELL told 
, "Well we'll find you 
someone nice." MAXWELL asked 
to tell her about herself and what she 
liked. MAXWELL commented, "Oh you're so fit, you're so skinny, you're so 
pretty." 
told MAXWELL she liked music. 
told MAXWELL that 
her parent 
told MAXWELL about her family and  
 
told her 
that 
told MAXWELL about the 
was trying to present to MAXWELL that she was 
independent and sophisticated. 
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(U) Interview of 
ComumManofFD.302of September 1, 2021 
on 09/01/2021 jag., 6 of 11 
could not remember if she went to the apartment first or met 
first. 
thought that she went to the apartment first because she was 
around 20 years old when she met 
spoke with 
the day before 
this interview and asked him if he remembered his age when she met him. As 
of the date of this interview, 
MAXWELL and 
talked about what was going on in 
at the time. 
They talked about if 
met anyone nice. They talked about fashion. 
MAXWELL told 
that she had a boyfriend named Jeffrey; MAXWELL did not 
say his last name at that time. MAXWELL told her he was a philanthropist. 
MAXWELL told 
he would be coming to 
, and she should meet him. 
did not think there was a big time lapse between the time she had 
tea with MAXWELL and the time she met EPSTEIN. MAXWELL contacted 
telling her, "He's coming, you have to come over. I told him about you. 
It'll be great for you." The only time MAXWELL and 
were on the 
phone together was for MAXWELL to invite 
to something. 
The first conversation between MAXWELL and 
, there was nothing overly 
sexual discussed, but there was an underlying tone. MAXWELL asked, "Oh you 
dated 
, is that what you like?" 
advised if MAXWELL had said 
something sexual it would have been inappropriate; 
was young and 
MAXWELL was a much older woman and a stranger to her. 
It would have been abrasive and rude and 
MAXWELL was not rude. MAXWELL was overly helpful asking if 
was alright and if there was anything she could get for 
told her that she met MAXWELL on one occasion but 
did not remember that but advised that it was certainly a possibility. 
tea 
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(U) Interview of 
CmWmuthmofFD.3(nof September 1, 2021 
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told MAXWELL she massaged her 
did not recall if she told MAXWELL this on the first occasion or a 
separate occasion but did recall that she told her before she first massaged 
EPSTEIN. 
MAXWELL talked to 
about her father. 
recalled seeing a lot of pictures of EPSTEIN and MAXWELL together in 
MAXWELL's home; it was clear to 
that the two of them were together. 
recalled a picture of EPSTEIN and MAXWELL where MAXWELL was looking 
at EPSTEIN and he was looking at the camera. It looked like MAXWELL was 
obsessed with EPSTEIN. 
described MAXWELL as being very highly strung and neurotic. 
was like this as well. MAXWELL made sure it was important 
that the biggest thing to the smallest thing had to be just right for 
EPSTEIN. 
MAXWELL was sarcastic as well. MAXWELL said things like, "Oh you know what 
boys are like", "you know what needs to be done", "you know what I mean 
right", "Of course you know". At 
age she did not want to say that 
she did not know. 
MAXWELL told 
her dad was very difficult. MAXWELL told her that she 
really loved her father and idolized him. MAXWELL had a dog called Max; 
met the dog a few times. 
After the first time 
massaged EPSTEIN, she and MAXWELL had profound 
moments of connection and MAXWELL would be vulnerable. 
MAXWELL told 
"Oh God not another blowjob for Jeffrey, don't you 
know anyone? I can't do everything around her." 
MAXWELL mentioned to 
that her childhood was difficult. MAXWELL said 
that her brothers were amazing people. 
met one of her brothers in 
New York. EPSTEIN told 
privately that MAXWELL'S brothers were 
crooks. 
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felt an identification with MAXWELL; 
MAXWELL talked about her father early on, and a bit later 
talked about her brothers. 
was in touch with MAXWELL and EPSTEIN for around 15 years. The last 
time 
spoke with MAXWELL was around 10 years ago on the phone. The 
last time 
saw EPSTEIN was in Paris and she noticed that MAXWELL was 
not as directly involved then. 
described MAXWELL's apartment as having brick on the outside and 
there was a pub across the street called "Nags Head". There was a man named 
who owned the pub at the time. Politicians lived on the same street. 
Inside, the house was carpeted. There 
MAXWELL and EPSTEIN. There were other 
ANDREW and other famous people. There 
banister. It was carpeted. The carpet was a beige color. There was a 
kitchen downstairs; this was where she brought a tray of tea and cookies 
from. Upstairs was MAXWELL's room and there was a room upstairs that was 
the massage room that had a stack of towels and a robe. There were nice 
smelling candles. The massage room was dimly lit with a massage table in 
it. MAXWELL gave 
some oil. 
the massage room and MAXWELL told 
first time 
massaged EPSTEIN. 
anything of MAXWELL offering her a robe. 
were a lot of picture frames of 
pictures of MAXWELL with PRINCE 
was a staircase up and it had a 
At one point there were two robes in 
she could use one; this was the 
At the time, 
did not think 
Since MAXWELL was arrested, 
has two deadbolts on her door and her II 
recalled getting a threatening phone call a few years back. 
knows MAXWELL like she is someone in 
she knew that if MAXWELL could kill her, she 
her family. 
advised 
would then go have lunch 
afterwards. MAXWELL would do whatever is necessary; she has an obsessive 
personality. MAXWELL would do what is required and would not feel bad. 
The first two 
Occasionally, 
spent quite a 
we'll have to 
to three years, contact was always initiated by MAXWELL. 
scheduling was done through EPSTEIN's secretary. MAXWELL 
bit of time in the states. MAXWELL would tell 
, "Oh, 
get you over to New York. Or if you're coming to New York 
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(U) Interview of 
CmWmulionofFD.302of September 1, 2021 
on 09/01/2021 
ftv 9 of 11 
we'll have to get you a place to stay." MAXWELL called 
to check in 
on her. MAXWELL initiated the phone call, saying, "I need your help." 
was doing quite a bit of 
at the time, and she would tell 
MAXWELL that. MAXWELL would say to 
that "we'd have to get you over 
here...want to go on a trip." MAXWELL made everything seem easy and that 
nothing was out of reach. 
Before 
met EPSTEIN, MAXWELL talked about EPSTEIN like he was a god. 
MAXWELL made EPSTEIN seem like he could do anything, like he was a magic 
person. MAXWELL told 
"He's going to love you." 
MAXWELL said things to 
like, "The massage therapist is not available 
and I need you and Jeffrey loves you and you have strong hands." MAXWELL 
almost made it sound like she was irritated. MAXWELL acted like she was 
irritated that 
was picked over her. MAXWELL said, "Jeffrey is 
insisting it's you; what am I, chopped liver." MAXWELL acted fake annoyed. 
did not have an 
cell phone. 
was in 
and 
MAXWELL would always call when she was in 
MAXWELL also called 
when she (MAXWELL) was in New York. 
MAXWELL said things that were over the top like, "We just took the plane to 
the island...just took the helicopter" to some place. 
EPSTEIN was a little bit vulgar in everything he said. EPSTEIN talked about 
money a lot, questioning whether he should buy another island. He said 
things like that in front of his staff that did not make a lot of money. 
MAXWELL tiptoed around EPSTEIN; everything was catering to him. 
EPSTEIN was direct with his staff. 
did not see him get angry with 
staff. MAXWELL got mad at the staff when something did not go right. One 
day, 
heard MAXWELL scream on the phone. 
recalled the 
subject of muffins; EPSTEIN had to have a certain kind of food. EPSTEIN had 
to have a certain kind of sweatpants laundered in certain detergent. 
MAXWELL seemed to be terrified EPSTEIN would leave her. EPSTEIN had a short 
attention span. MAXWELL had to give EPSTEIN reasons to keep her. 
MAXWELL talked about needing young, pretty, blonde girls. MAXWELL told 
, "You know what he likes". After the first two times 
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massaged EPSTEIN, MAXWELL asked her all the time "who do you know?". 
MAXWELL told 
that EPSTEIN was high maintenance and demanding, also 
saying, "one person can't need that much sex". MAXWELL initiated bringing 
girls. 
remembered seeing 
and felt protective of 
her. 
MAXWELL always called 
direct. EPSTEIN never called 
direct; 
his secretary LESLEY called and connected EPSTEIN to 
. It wasn't 
until much later that EPSTEIN had direct contact with 
traveled to New York, Palm Beach, Paris, and the island to see 
them. When 
was in Palm Beach, EPSTEIN brought up the subject of 
having a child. MAXWELL was upset and pissed. 
felt like MAXWELL 
punished her because of it. 
thought it was humiliating for MAXWELL 
that EPSTEIN wanted to have a child with her and not MAXWELL. 
she looked more like EPSTEIN's type. When MAXWELL left the schoolgirl 
outfit on the bed, that was one of the worst experiences 
had. 
felt 
When 
traveled to the island, EPSTEIN's secretary made the 
arrangements. 
was not sure who made the arrangements for the other 
places she traveled. 
While in the New York apartment, this was around the same time MAXWELL 
introduced 
to 
This was before 
understood that EPSTEIN paid for everything. MAXWELL told 
that EPSTEIN got her the house in New York. 
felt this was almost 
like MAXWELL showing 
that if EPSTEIN liked her enough this was what 
she could get. 
knew what had happened with MAXWELL's father so 
there was no way MAXWELL could be doing stuff on her own. MAXWELL's father 
lost everything. 
had been to MAXWELL's New York house; this was 
where she met MAXWELL's brother. 
remembered MAXWELL having the New 
York house later in the time she knew them. 
MAXWELL would say "we" and refer to her and EPSTEIN. MAXWELL said things 
like, "We can do this. We might get a place in LA." 
The last time 
spoke to MAXWELL, MAXWELL told her that she was dating 
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a wealthy high-profile man. 
.On 09/01/2021 
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In the beginning, MAXWELL asked, "What do you want to be when you grow 
up?". 
thought MAXWELL was torn because she wanted to be enough but knew 
she could not be enough so she found people so she could keep everything. 
was the most like MAXWELL. 
thought that on most levels 
MAXWELL had a genuine connection with MAXWELL. 
had the look and age 
EPSTEIN wanted. 
To 
recollection, this was after she had massaged 
EPSTEIN. 
was doing things she did not want to do. ESPTEIN touched 
her. 
had flashbacks and would take her 
sleeping pills 
because she could not sleep. 
felt pretty confident she met MAXWELL between the ages of 17-18 
years old. 
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