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take it, who would be there once and you wouldn't 
2 
see them again; is that fair to say? 
3 
A. 
Yes. 
4 
Q. 
And there are girls who came for massages 
5 
who you would see come repeatedly over a period of 
6 
time? 
7 
A. 
Right. 
8 
Q. 
Okay. And 
was one of the 
9 
girls that came repeatedly over a period of time? 
10 
A. 
Yes. 
11 
Q. 
Did you observe Mr. Epstein meeting or 
12 
speaking with 
13 
A. 
No. 
14 
Q. 
When she came she would come into the 
15 
kitchen like the other girls who would give 
16 
massages? 
17 
A. 
Yes. 
18 
Q. 
And then 
or someone would, is it 
19 
your understanding take her upstairs? 
20 
A. 
Yes. 
21 
Q. 
On the occasions she came to pick up her 
22 
car, did she to your understanding give Epstein a 
23 
massage on that occasion? 
24 
A. 
I don't remember this day if she was there, 
25 
but I know that when she arrive I give her the keys. 
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But if she left right away or she went to give massage, 
2 
I don't remember this day. 
3 
Q. 
Okay. Do you know 
's last 
4 
name? 
5 
A. 
No. 
6 
Q. 
If I told you her name was 
7 
would that ring a bell? 
8 
A. 
No. 
9 
Q. 
Do you recall instances where 
10 
called the house? 
11 
A. 
No. 
12 
Q. 
Do you recall other girls that 
13 
came with on any occasions? 
14 
A. 
I don't remember exactly, you know, what, what 
15 
how many times she was there. 
16 
Q. 
More than ten? 
17 
MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. 
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THE WITNESS: I cannot tell you the truth. 
19 
BY MR. MERMELSTEIN: 
20 
Q. 
Let me show you a photograph and ask you 
21 
if you recognize that girl. 
22 
A. 
No. 
23 
Q. 
Is that 
24 
A. 
I am not sure. I know she 
25 
but I don't recognize her face. 
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recognize this girl? 
MR. GOLDBERGER: You better start marking 
these? 
MR. MERMELSTEIN: What? 
MR. GOLDBERGER: We're going to have to 
start marking them. How are we going to know 
what you're talking about? 
(A discussion was held off the record.). 
MR. GOLDBERGER: All right. So, I'm 
marking the first one as your Exhibit No. 1, 
the 
1. 
2. 
both. 
MR. MERMELSTEIN: We'll mark it as Exhibit 
MR. GOLDBERGER: The second one as Exhibit 
MR. EDWARDS: His answer is the same for 
MR. GOLDBERGER: You can do them as a 
composite one if you like. 
MR. MERMELSTEIN: Why don't we do that. 
MR. GOLDBERGER: You're going to need to 
make a photocopy of that so we have something. 
MR. MERMELSTEIN: These are photocopies. 
Can you indicate before I show him the 
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second one that that's Exhibit 2, and that this 
2 
is Exhibit 1. Why don't we do that. Is that 
3 
all right? That way we'll be able to tell, 
4 
distinguish them. Can you hand this to the 
5 
court reporter so she could mark them. 
6 
(Plaintiffs' Exhibit No's 1 and 2 were 
7 
marked for identification.) 
8 
BY MR. MERMELSTEIN: 
9 
Q. 
Let me show you another photo. Do you 
10 
recognize this girl? 
11 
A. 
No. 
12 
Q. 
Do you recall a girl by the name of 
13 
14 
A. 
No. 
15 
MR. GOLDBERGER: Excuse me. Let's go off 
16 
the record. 
17 
(A discussion was held off the record.) 
18 
(Plaintiffs' Exhibit No. 3 was marked for 
19 
identification.) 
20 
BY MR. MERMELSTEIN: 
21 
Q. 
Let me show you Exhibit 3, and ask you if 
22 
you can identify this girl? 
23 
A. 
No. 
24 
MR. MERMELSTEIN: Let's mark that. 
25 
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(Plaintiffs' Exhibit No. 4 was marked for 
2 
identification.) 
3 
BY MR. MERMELSTEIN: 
4 
Q. 
And I will show you Exhibit 4 and ask you 
5 
if you recognize this girl. 
6 
A. 
No. 
7 
(Plaintiffs' Exhibit No. 5 was marked for 
8 
identification.) 
9 
BY MR. MERMELSTEIN: 
10 
Q. 
Do you remember a girl by the name of 
11 
ho would come to house to give Epstein 
12 
massages? 
13 
A. 
Yes, I remember name 
14 
Q. 
You remember 
. What do you 
15 
remember about 
16 
MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. 
17 
THE WITNESS: Just the name. 
18 
BY MR. MERMELSTEIN: 
19 
Q. 
Do you remember a girl named 
20 
who would come to the house and give Epstein 
21 
massages? 
22 
MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. 
23 
THE WITNESS: Yes. 
24 
BY MR. MERMELSTEIN: 
25 
Q. 
And she was a girl who would, who came 
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5 
6 
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more than once like 
A. 
Yes. 
Q • 
did? 
Do you recall approximately how many times 
A. 
No. 
Q • 
would come to give Epstein a massage? 
You mentioned in response to Mr. Edwards' 
questioning the manual to the house. Was there 
8 
policies in the manual regarding contacting police 
9 
and in the event there was an indication to do so? 
10 
A. 
Yeah. It was I think on the last page there 
11 
was an emergency contact information, address of 
12 
hospital and 911. 
13 
Q. 
Were you ever given instruction that you 
14 
should not call the police? 
15 
A. 
No. 
16 
Q. 
That was never anything that was told to 
17 
you? 
18 
A. 
No, no. 
19 
Q. 
You have been employed by Mr. Epstein 
20 
since February, 2005, correct? 
21 
A. 
Correct. 
22 
Q. 
And how do you receive your income, do you 
23 
receive it by direct deposit into your account? 
24 
A. 
Yes. 
25 
Q. 
Do you remember receiving a paycheck by 
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hand? 
2 
A. 
By mail. 
3 
Q. 
By mail. Okay. By mail to where? Oh, 
4 
I'm sorry. The mail, does it come from New York? 
5 
A. 
Yes. 
6 
Q. 
And what is the name of the account on the 
7 
check? 
8 
A. 
HBRK Associates. 
9 
Q. 
HBRK Associates. And what is your 
10 
understanding of what that stands for? 
11 
A. 
I don't know. Just, I guess, initials. 
12 
Q. 
Is it your understanding that HBRK 
13 
Associates was your employer or is your employer? 
14 
A. 
Yes. 
15 
Q. 
But you have been testifying today that 
16 
your employer was Mr. Epstein. What is your 
17 
understanding of the relationship between HBRK 
18 
Associates and Mr. Epstein? 
19 
A. 
I think that's his company. 
20 
Q. 
It's his company? 
21 
A. 
Right. 
22 
Q. 
And to your understanding are the other 
23 
people in the organization employed by HBRK 
24 
Associates? 
25 
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THE WITNESS: Yes. 
2 
BY MR. MERMELSTEIN: 
3 
Q. 
And you have been employed by HBRK 
4 
Associates since you started in October, since you 
5 
started in February 2005? 
6 
A. 
I don't know to tell you the truth if this was 
7 
the organization that was, hire me. 
8 
Q. 
That was the organization that hired you? 
9 
A. 
No, I'm not sure. 
10 
Q. 
Okay. You're not sure if that was the 
11 
organization? 
12 
A. 
Right. 
13 
Q. 
Was there a different organization at the 
14 
time you were hired? 
15 
A. 
I don't remember. Maybe there was also, I 
16 
remember there was a household account on the face of my 
17 
paycheck. 
18 
Q. 
Jeffrey Epstein household account? 
19 
A. 
Right. 
20 
Q. 
And you think at some point it may have 
21 
switched to HBRK Associates? 
22 
A. 
Right. 
23 
Q. 
But you don't remember when that was? 
24 
A. 
No. 
25 
Q. 
Was it shortly after you started? 
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MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. 
2 
THE WITNESS: Could be. 
3 
BY MR. MERMELSTEIN: 
4 
Q. 
Any idea? 
5 
A. 
After two years maybe, after three years. I 
6 
don't remember. 
7 
Q. 
After two years or so. So, it would have 
8 
been 2007, 2008? 
9 
A. 
Could be. 
10 
Q. 
Do you ever have conversations with 
11 
Mr. Epstein about things going on in your lives 
12 
and --
13 
A. 
No. 
14 
Q. 
Friendly conversation? 
15 
A. 
No, we don't talk. 
16 
Q. 
No. Do you, do you have days off? 
17 
A. 
Yes. 
18 
Q. 
Where do you go? 
19 
MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. 
20 
THE WITNESS: Where do I go? 
21 
BY MR. MERMELSTEIN: 
22 
Q. 
Where do you go? Do you have someplace 
23 
else that you live? 
24 
A. 
No, I live on the property. 
25 
Q. 
So, even on your days off, you're still on 
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the property? 
2 
A. 
Sometimes I go, sometime I take some vacation. 
3 
I go away for a time of my vacation. 
4 
Q. 
But there are days when you're staying on 
5 
the property but you're not working? 
6 
A. 
Yes. 
7 
Q. 
Is that fair to say? 
8 
A. 
Yes. 
9 
Q. 
So, no one asks you to do anything during 
10 
that time? 
11 
A. 
No. My day off, they don't bother me. They 
12 
know I am not working. 
13 
Q. 
Okay. Now, you said that when you were 
14 
hired, your salary was $58,000? 
15 
A. 
Yes. 
16 
Q. 
What is it today? 
17 
A. 
Sixty-two. 
18 
Q. 
Sixty-two? 
19 
A. 
Yes. 
20 
Q. 
When is the last time you got a raise? 
21 
A. 
I would say two years ago. 
22 
Q. 
And do you know why you haven't gotten a 
23 
raise in two years? 
24 
A. 
Economic condition. Everybody suffer. 
25 
Q. 
Is that something you've discussed with 
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Mr. Epstein? 
2 
A. 
No. 
3 
Q. 
You just assumed that it's economics? 
4 
A. 
No. I think somebody from, from the, from the 
5 
office told me that there would be no increase --
6 
Q. 
Someone from --
7 
A. 
-- or bonuses for last year because of the 
8 
situation, stock market went down. 
9 
Q. 
Someone from the office in New York? 
10 
A. 
Yes. 
11 
Q. 
You don't remember who? 
12 
A. 
I think Rich, Rich Kahn. 
13 
Q. 
And do you get bonuses too? 
14 
A. 
Yes. 
15 
Q. 
And when was the last time you got a 
16 
bonus? 
17 
A. 
Like two years ago. 
18 
Q. 
And how much was that? 
19 
A. 
I don't remember. The last one was $10,000. 
20 
Q. 
Okay. So, your income for that year would 
21 
have been 72,000 if I am understanding? 
22 
A. 
Yes. 
23 
Q. 
Which would have been $62,000 salary and 
24 
$10,000 bonus, correct. 
25 
A. 
Right. 
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Q. 
Does 
stay at the house? 
2 
A. 
Yes. 
3 
Q. 
And does she sleep in the same bedroom as 
4 
Mr. Epstein? 
5 
A. 
Yes. 
6 
Q. 
When Mr. Epstein travels, who does he 
7 
travel with? When he comes from New York or some 
8 
other location, who does he come with? 
9 
A. 
10 
Q. 
Anyone else? 
11 
A. 
Igor. 
12 
Q. 
Who is Igor? 
13 
A. 
He is personal trainer. 
14 
Q. 
Does he have any other jobs? 
15 
A. 
Pardon me? 
16 
Q. 
Does he have any other job s or functions? 
17 
A. 
No. 
18 
Q. 
He is the personal trainer? 
19 
A. 
Yes. 
20 
Q. 
For exercise? 
21 
A. 
Yes. 
22 
Q. 
Anyone else travel with him? 
23 
A. 
I don't know. 
24 
Q. 
Does he have a guest who travels with him? 
25 
A. 
I really don't know. Sometimes he brings 
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guests, but I, I don't recall, no, which day on which 
2 
occasion. 
3 
Q. 
Were there occasions when he brought young 
4 
girls as guests? 
5 
A. 
No. I don't remember bringing from his 
6 
airplane any girls to the house. 
7 
Q. 
The only young girls you remember coming 
8 
to the house were, came to the kitchen door for 
9 
massages? 
10 
A. 
Right. 
11 
Q. 
Do you recall instances where two girls 
12 
would come to the house? 
13 
A. 
Yes. 
14 
Q. 
And what would happen on occasions when 
15 
two girls came? 
16 
MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. 
17 
THE WITNESS: Yeah. I remember one was 
18 
waiting in the kitchen for her one of her 
19 
friends, and she told me she's waiting for her? 
20 
Either she gave her a ride to the house or they 
21 
have something to do together. I don't know. 
22 
BY MR. MERMELSTEIN: 
23 
Q. 
Do you remember who that was? 
24 
A. 
No. 
25 
MR. GOLDBERGER: We're going to take a 
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lunch break at 1:00. We'll be going three 
2 
hours now. 
3 
MR. EDWARDS: I understand. Are we close? 
4 
MR. MERMELSTEIN: Yes, we're close. 
5 
MR. GOLDBERGER: If he's almost done and 
6 
you have a little bit. 
7 
MR. EDWARDS: 
I will. I will. So, let's 
8 
just take a lunch break whenever you're ready. 
9 
I don't care. I don't think there is any way 
10 
to avoid a lunch break is what I am saying. I 
11 
was hoping we could, but that's all right. 
12 
MR. GOLDBERGER: Do you want to finish 
13 
yours, is that what you want to do? 
14 
MR. MERMELSTEIN: It doesn't matter. 
15 
MR. GOLDBERGER: Okay. We'll just go now. 
16 
Do you want to do 20 minutes? 
17 
(A brief recess was held.) 
18 
BY MR. MERMELSTEIN: 
19 
Q. 
So, you testified regarding this occasion 
20 
where two girls arrived at the house and one of the 
21 
girls gave a massage, correct? 
22 
A. 
Yes. 
23 
Q. 
And one of the girls waited for the girl 
24 
who gave the massage, correct? 
25 
A. 
Yes. 
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And the girl waited in the kitchen? 
2 
A. 
Yes. 
3 
Q. 
Do you remember other occasions where that 
4 
happened? 
5 
A. 
No. 
6 
Q. 
Is one occasion you remember that 
7 
happening? 
8 
A. 
Yes. 
9 
Q. 
Did you know these girls received money in 
10 
exchange for giving messages? 
11 
A. 
Yes, yes. 
12 
Q. 
Were you responsible for paying them? 
13 
A. 
Yeah. I pay some of them. 
14 
Q. 
Okay. And how did you pay them? 
15 
A. 
I either -- I get a phone call from 
Cr 
16 
and they mention name that such a girl show up 
17 
at the house and I should give them money. 
18 
Q. 
Okay. So, I think you testified before 
19 
that you would get a, you would get a call or you 
20 
would be advised that there is a girl coming to give 
21 
a massage, correct? 
22 
A. 
Right. 
23 
Q. 
And that you should let her in when she 
24 
comes, right? 
25 
A. 
Yes. 
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Q. 
And in that same phone call were you told 
2 
that you're supposed to pay the girl and how much 
3 
you're supposed to pay her? 
4 
A. 
No, another phone call. 
5 
Q. 
A different phone call? 
6 
A. 
Different phone call. 
7 
Q. 
While the girl was there? 
8 
A. 
I don't recall if I pay somebody when she 
9 
comes to the massage. I recall when I got the phone 
10 
call that I have to pay those girls who show up at the 
11 
house and I should give them money. 
12 
Q. 
I'm sorry. I didn't --
13 
A. 
So, otherwise, what I try to say is that I did 
14 
pay, you know, after the massage. I give to her money. 
15 
Most of the time what I pay nobody was in the house. 
16 
For example, Mr. Epstein was away and I got the phone 
17 
call from either 
or 
and they would show up 
18 
and I would give them money. 
19 
Q. 
Okay. When Mr. Epstein was away? 
20 
A. 
Yes. 
21 
Q. 
Okay. So, you mean when he was not in the 
22 
house? 
23 
A. 
Right. 
24 
Q. 
So, what were the occasions where girls 
25 
would get paid when Mr. Epstein was not in the 
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house? I am trying to understand. 
2 
A. 
Just give them the money. 
3 
Q. 
Oh, just give them money? 
4 
A. 
Yes. 
5 
Q. 
Was this money for massages? 
6 
A. 
Yes. 
7 
Q. 
So, but this wasn't just after they 
8 
completed the massage? 
9 
A. 
Yes. 
10 
Q. 
It was or it wasn't? I am not clear. 
11 
A. 
After, yeah. 
12 
Q. 
After they gave the massage. 
13 
A. 
Right. 
14 
Q. 
What I am unclear is that you said 
15 
Mr. Epstein wasn't in the house. 
16 
A. 
Yeah. On a few occasion, you know, 
17 
Mr. Epstein was in the house and I got the phone call 
18 
that this girl show up and I should pay her money. 
19 
Q. 
Okay. 
20 
A. 
So, I assume either she didn't get paid before 
21 
or you know what I mean. 
22 
Q. 
I see. This wasn't where the girl had 
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come to the house, given the massage, and then left. 
24 
This is she came separately --
25 
A. 
Right. 
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Q. 
-- to receive money for giving a massage 
2 
that she had already given at some prior time? 
3 
A. 
Yes, yes. 
4 
Q. 
Okay. And that's the occasion where you 
5 
paid her? 
6 
A. 
Yes. 
7 
Q. 
And you were told that this was payment 
8 
for the girl who had given Epstein a massage? 
9 
A. 
It wasn't mention massage. It wasn't 
10 
mentioned just for a massage, but just give her money. 
11 
Q. 
It was mentioned for a massage or it was? 
12 
A. 
I don't, I don't remember. 
13 
Q. 
But you don't --
14 
A. 
I don't remember massage, but I was told to 
15 
give her money. 
16 
Q. 
Do you remember who it was that you gave 
17 
money to? 
18 
A. 
I don't recall the name. 
19 
Q. 
Okay. Do you recall giving money to 
20 
21 
A. 
No. Could be but I don't remember. I dor 
22 
remember. I cannot recall which girl I pay. 
23 
Q. 
How often was it that a girl would come 
24 
back to the house to get money? 
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THE WITNESS: I would say like maybe six, 
2 
eight times. 
3 
BY MR. MERMELSTEIN: 
4 
Q. 
Were there different girls on each 
5 
occasion or was it --
6 
A. 
Different girls. 
7 
Q. 
Different girls on each occasion. And 
8 
these were all girls who at some prior time had 
9 
given Epstein a massage? 
10 
A. 
Yes. 
11 
Q. 
And then they came back at a later time to 
12 
get money? 
13 
A. 
Correct. 
14 
Q. 
And for that purpose only? 
15 
A. 
Correct. 
16 
Q. 
And Mr. Epstein wasn't in the house at 
17 
that time? 
18 
A. 
Right. 
19 
Q. 
Was it your understanding that when 
20 
Mr. Epstein was in the house and the girl had come 
21 
to give him a massage that he paid her at that time? 
22 
A. 
I don't know. I haven't seen, you know. 
23 
Q. 
How much did you -- on each of these eight 
24 
or so occasions that you gave a girl money who came 
25 
to the house, how much did give her? 
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A. 
From two to 400, from 200 to 400. 
2 
Q. 
200 to $400? 
3 
A. 
Right. 
4 
Q. 
Did you have any understanding as to what 
5 
6 
the reason was for the difference in the amounts? 
A. 
No. 
7 
Q. 
Did you have any understanding of the 
8 
strike that. Is it fair to say these girls who 
9 
would come to the house to give Epstein massages 
10 
were not professional masseuses? 
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THE WITNESS: I don't know. 
13 
BY MR. MERMELSTEIN: 
14 
Q. 
Did it appear to you that they were not 
15 
professional? 
16 
A. 
I cannot tell. 
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THE WITNESS: I didn't know their 
19 
backgrounds, whether they were trained or not 
20 
trained. 
21 
BY MR. MERMELSTEIN: 
22 
Q. 
I am sorry, they what? 
23 
MR. GOLDBERGER: Trained or not trained? 
24 
THE WITNESS: I didn't know if they were 
25 
trained or not trained. 
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