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FBI VOL00009

EFTA00158017

187 pages
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PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. 
Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401 
Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401 
98e1e8e8-101b-4717-0720-ef54d28436cf 
3506-001 
Pagc 161 of 187 
SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7/ 8/ 91101151 and 17 
EFTA_00006284 
EFTA00158177
Page 162 / 187 
PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. 
Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401 
Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401 
98e1e8e8-101b-4717-0728-ef54d28436cf 
3506-001 
Page 162 of 187 
SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 91101151 and 17 
EFTA_00006285 
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PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. 
Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401 
Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401 
98e1e8e8-101b-4717-0720-ef54d28436cf 
3506-001 
Page 163 of 187 
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Q. 
By the way, did your daughter ever say that 
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Mr. Epstein ever hit her? 
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No. 
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Ever say that he gave her drugs? 
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Not directly, no. 
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Ever say that he physically hurt her? 
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Physically hurt her? No. 
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Yes. 
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PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. 
Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401 
Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401 
08e1e8e8-101b-4717-0728-ef54d20436cf 
3506-001 
Pagc 164 of 187 
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PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. 
Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401 
Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401 
98e1e8e8-101b-4717-0728-ef54d20436cf 
3506-001 
Pagc 165 of 187 
SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7/ 8/ 91101151 and 17 
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PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. 
Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401 
Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401 
98e1e8e8-101b-4717-0720-ef54d20436cf 
3506-001 
Pagc 166 of 187 
SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 91101151 and 17 
EFTA_00006289 
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PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. 
Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401 
Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401 
08e1e8e8-101b-4717-0720-ef54d20436cf 
3506-001 
Pagc 167 of 187 
SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 
EFTA_00006290 
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PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. 
Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401 
Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401 
08e1e8e8-101b-4717-0728-ef54d20436cf 
3506-001 
Page 168 of 187 
SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 
EFIA_00006291 
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PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. 
Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401 
Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401 
90e1e8e8-101b-4717-0720-ef54d20436cf 
3506-001 
Pagc 169 of 187 
SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7/ 8/ 91101151 and 17 
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PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. 
Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401 
Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401 
90e1e8e8-101b-4717-0720-ef54d28436cf 
3506-001 
Page 170 of 187 
SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 
EFTA_00006293 
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PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. 
Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401 
Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401 
08e1e8e8-101b-4717-0720-ef54d20436cf 
3506-001 
Pagc 171 of 187 
SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 
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Q. 
Was there ever anything that your daughter 
asked that she be permitted to do with Mr. Epstein that 
you forbad her to do? 
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No. 
PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. 
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Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401 
98e1e8e8-101b-471743728-ef54d20436cf 
3506-001 
Page 172 of 187 
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PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. 
Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401 
Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401 
98e1e8e8-101b-4717-0728-ef54d28436cf 
3506-001 
Pagc 173 of 187 
SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7/ 8/ 9/ 10, 15, and 17 
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PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. 
Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401 
Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401 
98.21e8e8-101b-4717-0720-ef54d20436cf 
3506-001 
Pagc 174 of 187 
SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7/ 8/ 91101151 and 17 
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What you're describing as normal with your 
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kids is telling your kids, call me to let me know that 
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you're not dead and in a dumpster yet; is that right? 
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No. Actually, I've said that to my daughter 
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because she disappears. 
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And that's been a consistent problem, correct? 
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Not until recent. 
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What do you mean by recently? 
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Not until after her escapades with Jeffrey 
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Epstein. That's when she really became out of control. 
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That's when she ran off with this 
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and went to 
right? 
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Yep. 
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Okay. But had a baby with him, right? 
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Yes. 
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PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. 
Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401 
Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401 
98e1e8e8-101b-47(7-0720-ef54d20436cf 
3506-001 
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Mr. Epstein doesn't have anything to do with 
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any of that, does he? 
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MR. 
: Object to the form. 
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BY MR. LUTTIER: 
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Wasn't around for any of that, was he, ma'am? 
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I don't know. 
PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. 
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Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401 
98.21e8e8-101b-471743720-ef54d20436cf 
3506-001 
Page 176 of 187 
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PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. 
Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401 
Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401 
98.21e8e8-101b-4717-0720-ef54d20436cf 
3506-001 
Page 177 of 187 
SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7/ 8191101151 and 17 
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paw:, 178 
MR. LUTTIER: Okay. Let me take a break and 
might be done. 
VIDEOGRAPHER: Going off the record at 12:29 
p.m. 
(Brief recess.) 
VIDEOGRAPHER: We are back on the record at 
12:39 p.m. 
BY MR. LUTTIER: 
Q. 
Other than the occasions that you took your 
daughter to the -- to the location in Palm Beach where 
you said Mr. Epstein lived, have you ever taken your 
daughter anybody place else to meet Mr. Epstein? 
PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. 
Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401 
Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401 
08e1e8e8-101b-4717-0720-ef54d20436cf 
3506-001 
Page 178 of 187 
SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 
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A. 
No. 
Q. 
Have you described for me in this deposition 
all personal contact, that is, one-on-one contact you've 
had with Mr. Epstein? 
A. 
Just one time. 
Q. 
And I meant, which would either be when you, 
personally, saw him or you, personally, spoke to the 
person who you believe is him --
A. 
No. I'm talking about when I physically was 
on his property in his driveway. 
Q. 
And have you described for me in this 
deposition all occasions when you've personally spoken 
with him on the phone? 
A. 
Yeah. 
Q. 
Has your daughter told you anything else about 
Mr. Epstein, other than what you've told me --
A. 
No. 
Q. 
-- during this deposition? 
MR. LUTTIER: I don't have any other 
questions. 
MR. 
: I don't have lien 
PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. 
Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401 
Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401 
08e1e8e8-101b-4717-0728-ef54d28436cf 
3506-001 
Page 179 of 187 
SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 
EFTA_00006302 
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PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. 
Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401 
Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401 
08e1e8e8-101b-4717-0720-ef54d28436cf 
3506-001 
Page ISO of 187 
SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 
EFTA_00006303 
EFTA00158196
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