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jury what those two ways are? 
A 
The more you did is the more you make. 
Basically, the more clothes that come off, the 
more you let him touch you, the more you just let 
him have his way with you is the more that you 
would make, otherwise, you would be demoted down 
to bringing girls over and just making money that 
way. 
Q 
And that's what you were doing? 
A 
That's correct. 
Q 
Was bringing girls? 
A 
That's correct. 
Q 
If you could explain to the grand jury 
how you would go about making an appointment for 
girl to come and give a massage? 
A 
His assistant there would call me either 
before they got into town or while he was in town 
and either she would ask me for a particular girl, 
preferably one that he favored, or if I couldn't 
get a hold of that girl just bring somebody over 
to work. 
I would call the girl. She would okay 
it. 
I would call 
back, confirm it, set an 
appointment, and then the next couple of days we'd 
go. 
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Q 
And was 
the person that you always 
made the appointment with? 
A 
Always. 
Q 
Do you remember ever talking to Jeffrey 
Epstein on the telephone? 
A 
Never. The only time I talked to him 
was physically in person at his house. 
Q 
Okay. 
was really the person that 
you had to --
A 
Deal with 
Q 
Okay. 
Now you mentioned that sometimes 
would request a specific girl? 
A 
That's correct. 
Q 
Did she give you any reason why he 
really liked this girl or just is this girl 
available? What would happen on those calls? 
A 
If it was a specific girl, she would 
call me and just ask: Can this girl work? She 
would never give me a reason. She would never go 
into detail. 
It was just: Can she work, yes or 
no? 
work? 
Q 
And 
was saying to you can she 
A 
I can't recall if those were her exact 
words. 
I can't remember if it was: Can she come 
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over and massage or can she work? 
I don't recall 
the exact words. 
Q 
Okay. 
And once you made those 
appointments then who would normally take you and 
the girls to the house? 
A 
I would. 
Q 
Okay. 
And you would drive? 
A 
I would drive. 
Q 
And were all -- was this always taking 
place at Mr. Epstein's home? 
A 
Yes. 
On Brillo Way? 
A 
That's correct. 
Q 
When you spoke with 
on the 
telephone, did you -- were all of these 
conversations about setting up these appointments? 
A 
When I would talk to 
Q 
Yes. 
A 
Yes. 
It would be pure business whenever 
I talked to 
Q 
So you didn't have any sort of friendly 
relationship? 
A 
No friendly relationship, never 
socialized unless I was at the house. It wasn't 
like that at all. 
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Q 
Okay. 
Now when you would bring a new 
girl over to the house, what would you do? 
A 
Walk up the same way towards the back of 
the house. They would let us in. 
I could sit in 
the kitchen with the girl. 
I would either wait 
for 
to come in or Jeffrey. 
Most of the time 
it was 
would bring the girl upstairs 
while I waited downstairs. After the massage, the 
girl would come downstairs. 
I would get paid and 
then we would leave. 
Q 
Tell us how you would get paid when you 
were the person who brought the girls. 
A 
What do you mean how I would get paid? 
Q 
Who would pay you? 
A 
Jeffrey Epstein would pull me aside 
whether it be in his, I guess, living room slash 
office. 
He would just make sure that when he paid 
me, it was just me and him, nobody else was 
around. 
Q 
And how much would you get paid for each 
girl? 
A 
$200. 
Q 
And again with the two 100 dollar bills? 
A 
Always 100 dollar bills. 
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Q 
Did you ever see the girl who actually 
did the massages get paid? 
A 
No, I never saw them get paid. 
He never 
paid us in front of each other. 
Q 
Okay. Did the girls ever tell you that 
they did get paid or how much they got paid? 
A 
Most of the time. 
Q 
Okay. 
And how much money would each 
girl get paid? 
A 
It ranges. 
Q 
From? 
A 
It ranges from 200 to some got paid 300. 
Like I said, the more you do, the more you make. 
There were a couple of girls that got paid 300, 
400, and then there were a couple of girls that 
got paid 200 maybe even 100. 
Q 
Now you mentioned that usually 
would take the girl upstairs? 
A 
That's correct. 
Q 
Were there ever instances where you took 
the girl upstairs? 
A 
Very rarely. 
I think it happened once 
or twice where 
was doing something or she 
would need me to go upstairs and set up. 
I would 
just go upstairs. 
I would show her where the 
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massage table was. 
I would set it up for them. 
I would 
show them where the towels were, put the towels on 
the massage table and then I would tell them 
Jeffrey would be in, in a minute and then I would 
walk back downstairs and wait in the kitchen. 
Q 
Okay. 
And when you were in these other 
instances where you led the girl upstairs, besides 
the massage table, did you ever see any other 
implements that were used during the massage? 
A 
I think there were maybe a few occasions 
where I would walk upstairs to show the girl or 
maybe it was even when I first massaged him, there 
was like a white massager on the table or a white 
vibrator. 
Q 
And can you describe that to the grand 
jury? 
A 
What it looked like? 
Q 
What it looked like, yes. 
A 
It was like a cylinder. It was really 
big. The head was bigger. 
It was white. 
I think 
the top of it was maybe like pink. It was big, 
that's all I remember. 
Q 
Okay. 
And did any of the girls ever 
tell you that that was used on them? 
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A 
Q 
names of 
confirm 
A 
Q 
Q 
Q 
A 
Q 
Yes. 
Okay. 
Now I'm going to run through the 
some girls that you brought just to 
with the grand jury that you brought them. 
Okay. 
That's correct. 
Correct. 
Correct. 
Yes. 
A 
Yes. 
Q 
And then there is another girl, 
never, ever, ever worked for 
A 
Jeffrey. She accompanied me to his house I think 
once or twice and waited in the kitchen with me, 
but she never worked for him. 
Q 
Okay. But she was somebody that you 
brought along with you? 
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A 
That is correct. 
Q 
On visits? 
A 
Yes. 
Q 
Okay. 
In addition to those girls 
that 
who I just named, you mentioned a woman, 
who is 23? 
A 
Uh-huh. 
Q 
Were there any other girls that you 
recall bringing to Jeffrey Epstein's house? 
A 
I cannot recall bringing anybody else. 
Q 
Okay. 
Now one of those girls that we 
mentioned was 
correct? 
A 
Yes. 
Q 
And you told the police that Jeffrey 
liked 
the best? 
A 
Yes. 
Q 
How old was 
A 
She was around the same age as me, maybe 
a grade lower than me. 
Q 
Okay. So she was under age? 
A 
Yes, correct. 
Q 
And all of those girls who names I read 
were under age when you brought them there? 
A 
Except for 
Q 
Okay. 
What did 
look like? 
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A 
was Hispanic. She kind of looks 
Korean, but she's Hispanic, Hawaiian, maybe. She 
had a dark complexion. She had hair down to the 
middle of her back, long, highlights. 
Q 
Was she thin or heavy? 
A 
No. She was maybe -- she had a boxy 
type figure, maybe a little lighter than me. 
Q 
And how tall do you think she was? 
A 
About 5'S, 5'6. 
Q 
Okay. 
And you knew that Jeffrey liked 
because he would specifically request her? 
A 
There was a few occasions that he would 
specifically ask for her, correct. 
Q 
Okay. 
And you mentioned that some of 
the girls told you about the massager being used, 
correct? 
A 
Yes. 
Q 
Did some of girls tell you what happened 
inside of that bedroom? 
A 
A few of them did. 
Q 
Let's talk first about 
A 
Okay. 
Q 
Did she tell you what happened? 
A 
All that she really told me was that 
they got into a money fight. 
He had tried 
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fondling her. She wasn't having it, and then she 
only got paid $100 and she 
ripped off. 
Q 
Okay. What about 
felt like she was being 
, did 
she tell you about what happened? 
A 
Yes. 
Q 
What did she explain to you? 
A 
on the way home, had told me she 
got paid $300, and basically let him insert 
in her and use the massager on her. 
Q 
Okay. 
And she told you those things? 
A 
She told me those things. 
Q 
That he had 
her and 
had used the massager? 
A 
That's correct. 
Q 
Okay. 
And that was -- when did she tell 
you that? 
A 
Right when we got outside into the 
truck. 
Q 
As you were driving away? 
A 
That's correct. 
Q 
Do you remember which other girls told 
you about the massager being used? 
A 
I can't recall. 
I know there was 
another one that said something about the 
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massager, but I wasn't really paying attention. 
Q 
Now when you first went and gave Mr. 
Epstein the massage, did he ask for your telephone 
number after you were finished? 
A 
No, 
did. 
Q 
did. 
And she took down your 
telephone number? 
A 
She took down my name and my telephone 
number. 
Q 
After that, how was all contact made 
with you? 
A 
Q 
Directly to you? 
A 
Directly toward me. 
Q 
Okay. So were there any more instances 
where she went either through-or 
to 
reach you? 
A 
Absolutely not. 
Q 
Okay. 
Now when you brought girls over 
was it the same thing where they would ask for the 
girl's name and number? 
A 
Yes. 
Q 
And when that happened, would they 
continue to go through you to set up appointments? 
A 
Most of time they went through me. 
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Actually 99.9 percent of the time they went 
through me. On a few occasions, the girls that 
they liked the best, for instance, 
after 
a while me and 
stopped contact with each 
other and Jeffrey just went strictly through her. 
Q 
Okay. 
And when an appointment was made 
directly with the girl, you wouldn't necessarily 
know about it? 
A 
I would not necessarily know about it. 
Q 
And when the appointment was made 
directly with the girl then you wouldn't get paid, 
correct? 
A 
Correct. 
Q 
Did you hear or do you know whether some 
girls that you brought, brought more girls? 
A 
Yeah, I'm sure of it. 
Q 
Okay. 
When did you first meet 
Was it that day that you went to give the 
massage? 
A 
That's correct. 
Q 
And how did you first meet her? 
A 
Just walking in the kitchen and waiting 
for somebody whether it be Epstein or 
came and introduced herself as 
learned that she was Epstein's assistant. 
and I 
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Q 
And you said that she was the one who 
took you upstairs on the first day? 
A 
That's correct. 
Q 
And we were talking earlier about how 
appointments would be made for you to bring 
additional girls, correct? 
A 
Yes. 
Q 
How far in advance would 
call you 
to make appointments? 
A 
It depends. Sometimes she would call me .
a few days in advance. Jeffrey is going to be in 
town tomorrow or this weekend, have a couple of 
girls lined up or have a girl lined up. So it 
would be anywhere between a couple of days to a 
weekend. 
Q 
Okay. Did you ever talk with 
or 
did 
ever tell you anything about what 
Jeffrey liked to do with the girls? 
A 
Absolutely not. We never discussed 
that. 
Q 
Did you ever talk with her about a rumor 
that you had heard that a girl had intercourse 
with Jeffrey? 
A 
One day I was talking on the phone with 
Sarah and I addressed her with it, asking her 
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about a rumor I heard of a girl sleeping with 
Jeffrey, having intercourse, and making $1 ,000, 
and she denied it and said that he doesn't do that 
kind of thing, he just plays with them. 
Q 
Okay. So she said that he didn't have 
intercourse, he just liked to play with the girls? 
A 
That's correct. 
Q 
And when you spoke with the police, you 
said that Jeffrey liked to masturbate in front of 
the girls but not have sex? 
A 
That's correct. 
Q 
What led you to believe that? 
A 
He just did it. 
I just learned that 
Epstein just started masturbating in front of 
everybody. It was like the new thing for him, and 
it just started happening and more and more girls 
were making comments. 
Q 
So did 
know that he was 
masturbating in front of the girls? 
A 
Not that I know of. 
I didn't say 
anything and I don't think she had an idea. 
think she knew there was playing going on. 
don't think she knew of what sort. 
Q 
Okay. So she knew that something sexual 
was going on, but not necessarily what that 
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entailed? 
A 
Correct. 
Q 
Okay. Did Jeffrey or 
or anyone 
else who worked for Mr. Epstein ever ask you for 
proof of someone's age? 
A 
Never. 
Q 
Did they ever specifically instruct you 
that you shouldn't bring girls who were under age 
to the house? 
A 
Never. 
Q 
And when you spoke with the police 
department you said that at some point Jeffrey 
said the 
A 
Q 
but make 
A 
comment 
younger the better? 
That's correct. 
And even after that he never said 
sure that they are over 18? 
We never discussed age. He never 
about age except for 
that one 
about her being too old. He 
find under aged girls, but at the 
to you 
made a 
time 
never told me to go 
same time never 
said make sure they are over 18. 
It was never 
discussed. 
Q 
Okay. All right. 
I'm going to ask you to 
step outside for a minute and I will find out 
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if the grand jury has questions. Thank you 
very much. 
(Witness exits the Grand Jury Room.) 
(Witness enters the Grand Jury Room.) 
I have to remind you that 
you are still under oath. There were just two 
follow-up questions. The first one is something 
that I think you spoke about earlier, but who 
first asked you to find other girls? 
A 
Who first asked me to first other girls? 
Q 
Yes. 
A 
That would be Epstein. 
Okay. So Jeffrey asked you himself, 
Jeffrey Epstein himself asked you? 
A 
Yes. 
okay. And then the other question was: 
Are you currently in contact with anyone who works 
for Mr. Epstein or himself? 
A 
I don't talk to any of the females that 
I once brought over there. 
I haven't been in 
contact with Epstein for years. 
He tried 
contacting me a few times. 
I haven't contacted him back. 
I refuse 
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to talk to him. 
I refuse to talk to any of the 
girls that were involved. However, I did live 
with one of the girls in Orlando for a couple 
months to a year. 
I haven't spoken to her in over 
a year either. 
Q 
Okay. So after -- and just so the grand 
jury has a sense here, we are talking about the 
2004 to 2005 period is when you were bringing 
girls over? 
A 
That's correct. 
Q 
So since then --
A 
I don't -- to be honest with you, 
think it was more 2003, 2004. 
Q 
Okay. 
A 
My junior senior year. 
Q 
Okay. But anyhow it was a couple of 
years ago? 
A 
Several years ago. 
Q 
OkaY. 
Is there any follow up 
on either of those points? Yes, ma'am. 
A GRAND JUROR: Was it Jeffrey Epstein 
Qimself trying to contact you or 
THE WITNESS: 
I don't know if it was him 
directly. 
I know that his number showed up 
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on my house phone. I'm assuming because 
was there, I'm assuming that she is the 
one that has been trying to contact me in the 
past years. Epstein never talked directly 
me on the phone. 
to 
Any other follow up? 
Okay. Thank you, ma'am. Thank you for 
coming. 
(Witness was excused.) 
CERTIFICATE OF REPORTER 
Public, do 
Reporter and Notary 
, Certified Court 
certify that the 
transcript is a true and correct transcription of 
my stenotype notes of the testimony of 
taken before the Federal Grand Jury, 
West Palm Beach, Florida. 
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UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT 
SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF FLORIDA 
WEST PALM BEACH DIVISION 
COPY 
IN RE: 
OPERATION LEAP YEAR 
SPECIAL AGENT 
APPEARANCES: 
Grand Jury #07-103 (WPB) 
West Palm Beach, Florida 
Tuesday, April 29, 2008 
TESTIMONY 
OF 
ASSISTANT U.S. ATTORNEY 
FOREPERSON 
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The sworn testimony of SPECIAL AGENT 
was taken before the 
Federal Grand Jury, West Palm Beach Division, 
Federal Building, U.S. Courthouse, Palm Beach 
County, State of Florida, on Tuesday, April 29, 
2008. 
Reporter and 
Certified Court 
Notary Public, 
Official Reporting Service, 
Avenue, Suite 302N, Fort Lauderdale, 
State of Florida, 
LLC, 524 South Andrews 
Florida, 
33301 , was authorized to and did report the sworn 
testimony. 
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