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FBI VOL00009

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PROCEEDINGS 
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The sworn testimony of 
was taken 
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before the Federal Grand Jury, West Palm Beach Division, 
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701 Clematis Street, West Palm Beach, Palm Beach County, 
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State of Florida, on the 15th day of May, 2007. 
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, Registered Merit Reporter and Notary 
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Public was authorized to and did report the sworn 
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testimony. 
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Thereupon, 
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a witness of lawful age, having been first duly sworn by 
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the foreperson, testified on her oath as follows: 
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BY 
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Q 
Good morning, Special Agent. Could you state 
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and spell your name for the record. 
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A 
Special Agent 
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Q 
And with whom do you work? 
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A 
The FBI here in west Palm Beach. 
21 
Q 
And are you here today on the continuing 
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investigation known as Operation Leap Year? 
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A 
Yes, I am. 
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Q 
And you are one of the case agents on this 
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investigation, correct? 
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Yes, I am. 
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Q 
The last time you were here we were discussing 
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the evidence supporting various overt acts and charges 
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related to Jane Does number 1 and 2? 
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A 
Yes. 
6 
Q 
Today we are going to start with Jane Doe 
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number 3. Can you tell the Grand Jury who that is and 
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summarize briefly your previous testimony about her. 
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A 
Jane Doe number 3 is Vanessailland she first 
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started, we have first phone contact with 
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starting in December of 2004, 
would have been 16 
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or 17 at that time, let me do the math real quick, she 
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would have been 16 -- sorry, I am sorry, she would have 
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been at that time 17, let's get it right, so she started 
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phone contact, 
started calling her in 
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September of 2004. 
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From testimony we know that 
went there 
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earlier, much earlier. 
which was Jane Doe 
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number 4 you will hear about next, they were good 
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friends and they both went in the spring of '04, prior 
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to 
17th birthday, so 
did start giving 
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Mr. Epstein massages when she was 16, she performed a 
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few massages for Mr. Epstein and then took kind of a 
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little bit of a break. 
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The sexual activity that occurred with 
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Mr. Epstein when 
was under the age of 18 
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included 
, the use of a vibrator on 
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grabbing and fondling of her breasts and her 
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buttock, she was given gifts by Mr. Epstein, she was 
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given a vibrator, she was given Victoria Secret 
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underwear, she was also given a car that Mr. Epstein 
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rented for her for a number of months, she was paid S200 
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by Mr. Epstein and 
was the one that primarily 
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called
to set up appointments and as you can see 
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that began in December of '04. 
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was also one of Mr. Epstein's 
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favorites, according to several of the other girls. 
13 
Q 
Just so the Grand Jury has an idea, how does 
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that translate into the number of phone calls between 
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and 
that you were able to calculate? 
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A 
called her, I guess calls between 
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the two of them ranged around 125 phone calls from 
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December 6th, 2004 until October, 2005. 
19 
Q 
And just briefly can you remind the Grand Jury 
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did_ever 
tell Mr. Epstein her age? 
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A 
No, they did not ever discuss, she did not 
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tell him how old she was, but she did tell him where she 
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planned on going to school and that she was in soccer. 
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She stated that when it came to her age that 
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Mr. Epstein didn't care. As I mentioned earlier, 
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and 
were very good friends and 
would talk 
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about 
and Mr. Epstein would ask questions about 
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when 
was providing massages and as we will 
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talk about when we talk about Jane Doe number 4, which 
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is 
she told mr. Epstein that she was a junior in 
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high school and that 
and her were in the same 
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classes together and that they were very good friends 
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and 
told us that at one point 
had come to 
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her because she had slipped about prom and she was 
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worried because Epstein was supposed to think she was 18 
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and she had talked about the prom and 
said she 
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never heard anything else about it and they never 
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brought it up. 
14 
Q 
Because, according to 
Mr. Epstein 
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didn't care really how old the girls were? 
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A 
Exactly. 
17 
Q 
And she never mentioned he asked her for her 
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age or asked for any form of identification to show 
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whether she was or was not over 18? 
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A 
No. 
21 
Q 
Now, if you could turn to the proposed 
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indictment and if 1 could ask you to look at overt act 
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number 59. 
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A 
we had a little knock at the door. Do you 
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want me to get it? 
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Q 
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number 4, 
Yes. 
(Thereupon, there was a brief pause.) 
I will let you see a picture of Jane Doe 
who we were talking about earlier, and 
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this is 
Is there anyplace you want to put it 
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right down here in front? 
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Q 
And just so the record is clear, those are the 
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photographs that we showed to the Grand Jury last week? 
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A 
Yes, it is. 
10 
Q 
So if you could turn to overt act number 59 
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which appears on page 12, and if you could explain to 
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the Grand Jury the evidence we have related to that 
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phone call or phone calls on December 6th, 2004. 
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On December 6th, 2004 a review of the phone 
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records indicate that there was telephonic phone contact 
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between the numbers belonging to 
and 
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as well as we have evidence with 
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statements of the phone calls being made to 
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her by 
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Q 
And overt act number 60? 
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A review of the phone records indicate 
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telephonic contact between the numbers belonging to 
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and 
on December 12, 2004. 
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Q 
And overt act number 64? 
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A 
A review of the phone records indicate 
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telephonic contact between numbers belonging to 
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and 
on December 14th, 2004. 
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Q 
And just so that it is clear to the Grand 
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Jury, when the overt acts says that defendant 
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made one or more telephone calls, that means that the 
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call is originating from 
phone, is that 
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correct? 
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A 
Yes, it does. 
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Q 
And if you could turn to overt act number 71. 
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A 
on December 20th a review of the phone records 
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indicate that there was telephonic contact between 
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and 
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Q 
And overt act number 79? 
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A 
on January 6th, 2005 a review of phone records 
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indicate there was telephone contact between numbers 
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belonging to 
and 
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Q 
And number 83? 
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A 
on January 14th, 2005 a review of the phone 
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records indicate telephonic contact between numbers 
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belonging to 
and 
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Q 
And with respect to the other overt acts 
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related to the phone calls which would be 94, 100, 102, 
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104, 112, 118, 125, 129 and 132 is the evidence the 
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same? 
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Yes, on or about each of those dates a review 
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of the phone records indicated telephonic contact 
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between the numbers belonging to 
and 
3 
as well as-statements. 
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Q 
Now, if 1 could direct your attention to Count 
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number 7 which appears on page 26 of the draft 
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indictment, that is a charge of indictment of a minor 
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during the period of December 6th, 2004 through June 2nd 
8 
of 2005, could you summarize for the Grand Jury the 
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evidence related to that count. 
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on or about these dates the facility of 
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interstate commerce, the telephone, specifically 
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and 
, were utilized to set up 
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appointments, massage appointments for Epstein. 
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During the massages and on more than one 
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occasion Epstein 
, he 
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used a massager directly on 
and Epstein 
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directed IIIIIIIIF 
o straddle him while he masturbated 
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and rubbed his penis between her legs, he would 
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masturbate, he would reach through her legs as she was 
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straddling him, there was no penetration of his penis in 
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, though. 
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He touched 
breasts, he would 
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masturbate. He pai 
n multiple occasions $200. 
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Both 
and Jeffrey Epstein have escorted 
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upstairs for these massages and Mr. Epstein gave 
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a vibrator, victoria secret bra and panty sets 
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and he also rented her a car for several months. 
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Q 
And just so that it is clear, you mentioned he 
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paid her on several occasions, he paid her every time 
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she performed these lewd acts, correct? 
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A 
Yes, $200. 
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Q 
And 
is listed as a defendant with 
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respect to Jane Doe number 3 as well, and can you 
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explain to the Grand Jury a little bit more about who 
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is and why she is charged in this count? 
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is one of Mr. Epstein's personal 
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assistants as well and she made appointments for him for 
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these massages. 
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we have contact between 
phone 
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and 
phone, she contacted 
approximately 
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25 times. 
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Q 
And that's why she is also charged with 
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someone who is either an aider or abetter or a 
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coconspirator with respect to this? 
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ves. 
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Q 
okay. If I could direct your attention to 
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Count number 32 which appears on page 30, count number 
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32. 
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A 
I got 32. 
25 
Q 
what is the evidence related to? 
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I am sorry, I didn't hear you ask me the 
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question, I thought you said refer to it. 
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The evidence is we have flight records that 
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indicate on December 13th, 2004 Epstein traveled to Palm 
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Beach County on the Gulfstream, there was telephonic 
6 
contact between 
and 
the day 
7 
before or the day of travel, we also have the sexual 
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conduct between Jeffrey Epstein and 
as we 
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described earlier in Count 7. 
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Q 
And just to refresh the recollection of the 
11 
Grand Jury, the Gulfstream aircraft is the one owned by 
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Hyperion? 
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Air, Inc. 
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Q 
And when you said that there was telephone 
15 
contact, you recall that in overt act number 60 that we 
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discussed phone calls on December 12th, correct? 
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A 
we did. 
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Q 
Okay. If I could direct you to Count number 
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35 and if you could tell the Grand Jury about the 
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evidence according to that count. 
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A 
Again, we have flight records that indicate 
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that on January 6th, 2005 Epstein traveled to Palm Beach 
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County on the Gulfstream again, there was telephonic 
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contact between 
and 
the day before, 
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the day of that travel, we also talked about the sexual 
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conduct between Jeffrey and 
between Epstein and 
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Q 
And can you tell us again what aircraft they 
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flew on on January 6th? 
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That was the Gulfstream which was owned by 
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Hyperion Air, Inc. 
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Q 
Okay. If I could direct you to Count 36 and 
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again if you could summarize that evidence. 
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A 
we have flight records that indicate that on 
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January 14th, 2005 Epstein, 
and 
traveled to 
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Palm Beach County on the Boeing 727 that Mr. Epstein 
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owns, there was telephonic contact between 
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and 
the day before, the day of that 
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travel, as well as we have the sexual conduct between 
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Jeffrey Epstein and 
as we described 
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earlier, and I will tell you that 
is --
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, Mr. Epstein's personal assistant, and 
is 
18 
we talked about just a few minutes ago, 
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Mr. Epstein, another of Mr. Epstein's personal 
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assistants. 
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Q 
And if I could direct your attention to Count 
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37 and ask you to summarize the evidence related to that 
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count. 
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A 
we have flight records that indicate that on 
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February 3rd, 2005 M . Epstein and 
traveled 
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to Palm Beach County on the Boeing 727, there was 
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telephonic contact between 
and 
3 
he day before or the day of travel and we have 
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the sexual conduct between Epstein and 
5 
Q 
And if I could direct your attention to Count 
6 
number 38. 
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A 
In Count number 38 we have flight records that 
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indicate on February 10th, 2005 Mr. Epstein, 
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and 
traveled to 
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Palm Beach County on the Gulfstream, there was telephone 
11 
contact between 
and 
the day 
12 
before or the day of travel, we also have the sexual 
13 
conduct between Mr. Epstein and 
14 
Q 
Now, I am sorry, on Count number 38, which 
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airline were they on? 
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A 
They were on the Gulfstream. 
17 
Q 
Can I ask you to double-check that? There is 
18 
an inconsistency between the chart and the indictment or 
19 
we can save that for a later date. 
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A 
It is right here. 
21 
Q 
1 will mark that we need to check on Count 
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number 38. 
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A 
I have the flight manifest with me if you want 
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me to check, I don't know if you want me to do that now. 
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Q 
Yes, if you don't mind. 
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(Thereupon, there was a brief pause.) 
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A 
In Count 38, flight records indicate on 
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February 10th, 2005 that Mr. Epstein, 
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and 
were in fact on the 
5 
Boeing 727. 
6 
Q 
So the draft indictment contains the correct 
7 
information? 
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A 
Yes, it does. 
9 
Q 
What company owns the Boeing 727? 
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A 
JEGE, Inc., Incorporated. 
11 
Q 
And if I could take you to Count number 39. 
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A 
Evidence shows through flight records that on 
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February 21st, 2005 Epstein, 
, 
14 
and 
traveled to Palm Beach County on 
15 
the Boeing 727, there was telephonic contact between 
16 
and 
the day before or the day 
17 
of travel, there was also the sexual conduct between 
18 
Epstein and IME 
19 
Q 
And if I could take you to Count number 40, 
20 
please. 
21 
A 
we have flight records that indicate on 
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February 24th, 2005 Epstein, 
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traveled to Palm Beach County on the Boeing 
24 
727, there was telephonic contact between 
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and 
the day before, the day of travel, and 
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there was sexual conduct between Jeffrey Epstein and 
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as we described earlier in Count 7. 
3 
Q 
And if you could do Count 42. 
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A 
we have evidence that shows flight records, 
5 
that flight records indicate that on March 18th, 2005 
6 
Epstein traveled to Palm Beach County on the Boeing 727, 
7 
there was telephonic contact between 
and 
8 
the day of or the day before travel, we 
9 
have the sexual conduct between Mr. Epstein and 
10 
Q 
And just referring to that count, 
11 
is named, although she was not on the flight that day, 
12 
is that correct? 
13 
A 
Yes. 
14 
Q 
And you said that she made the telephone calls 
15 
with 
correct? 
16 
A 
Yes, and we also do have -- we have 
17 
interviewed Mr. Epstein's pilots and one of the pilots 
18 
indicated that 
was the one that arranged all of 
19 
Mr. Epstein's travel arrangements and so she is 
20 
responsible for making his arrangements to travel to 
21 
Palm Beach as well as call the girls for the 
22 
appointments. 
23 
Q 
If I could take you to Count number 43, 
24 
please. 
25 
A 
Flight records indicate that on March 31st, 
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2005 Mr. Epstein traveled to Palm Beach County on the 
2 
Boeing 727, there was telephonic contact between 
3 
and 
the day before or the day of travel, 
4 
we also have the sexual conduct between Epstein as 
5 
Vanessa described earlier in Count 7. 
6 
Q 
Again, in Count 44, what is the evidence 
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related to that? 
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A 
Flight records indicate that on April 8th, 
9 
2005 Epstein and 
traveled to Palm Beach 
10 
County on the Gulfstream and there was telephonic 
11 
contact between 
and 
zylus on the 
12 
day before or the day of travel, we also have the sexual 
13 
conduct between Mr. Epstein and 
14 
Q 
And if you could go through 45, 46 and 47. 
15 
A 
Count 45 we have flight records that indicate 
16 
on April 27th, 2005 Epstein and 
traveled to 
17 
Palm Beach County on the Gulfstream, there is telephone 
18 
contact between 
and 
the day 
19 
before or the day of travel and we have the sexual 
20 
conduct between Jeffrey and 
. 
21 
In Count 46 we have flight records that 
22 
indicate that on may 6th, 2005 Epstein, 
and 
23 
traveled to Palm Beach County on the 
24 
Gulfstream. 
25 
we have also telephonic contact between 
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and 
either the day before or the 
2 
day of travel and we have the sexual conduct between 
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Epstein and 
, and in Count 47 on may 19th, 2005 
4 
we have flight records that indicate Epstein, 
5 
and 
traveled to Palm Beach County on 
6 
the Gulfstream and we have telephone contact between 
7 
and 
the day before or the day 
8 
of travel. 
9 
we also have the sexual conduct between 
10 
Epstein and 
as described in the earlier 
11 
count, count 7. 
12 
Q 
Now, if I could direct your attention to count 
13 
number 51 which appears on page 33, that is the sex 
14 
trafficking of a minor involving Jane Doe number 3, and 
15 
could you briefly summarize that, the evidence related 
16 
to that. 
17 
A 
As we discussed earlier in count 7, I told you 
18 
uys about the sexual conduct between Epstein and 
19 
the monies that were paid to 
by 
20 
Mr. Epstein, the hone activit we discussed between 
21 
and 
it began in December, 
22 
and we also have phone calls beginning in January from 
23 
to 
at that time 
was 17 
24 
years of age, and we also have statements from 
25 
and 
regarding Mr. Epstein's knowledge of their 
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ages. 
2 
Q 
And with respect to the affect on interstate 
3 
commerce related to that count we have both the 
4 
telephone calls, correct? 
5 
A 
Yes. 
6 
Q 
As well as Mr. Epstein actually traveling in 
7 
interstate commerce to engage in this activity, correct? 
8 
A 
Yes, we do. 
9 
Q 
Is there anything else that you would like to 
10 
mention about Jane Doe number 3? 
11 
A 
Not at this time, no. 
12 
Q 
If I could direct you to lane Doe number 4 and 
13 
if you could summarize for the Grand Jury the 
14 
information related to Jane Doe number 4's activities. 
15 
A 
Jane Doe number 4 is 
16 
wanted their birth dates, her birth date is 
17 
she was 16 years old and attended 
18 
High School. 
19 
we first have contact through phone calls from 
20 
21 
indicates and shows that 
was clearly 16 years of 
22 
age when she started going to Mr. Epstein's and 
23 
performing massa es for Mr. Epstein. 
24 
ur Jane Doe number 1, was the one 
25 
who recruited 
she basically told 
that she 
tom 
on April 25th, 2004 which 
, I think you 
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could make $200, she needed to dress cute, he might try 
2 
to touch you, but if you feel uncomfortable just let him 
3 
know and he will stop, and the first massage that 
4 
did he repeatedly told 
, and I mentioned this to 
5 
you in the last Grand Jury session, she was very shy and 
6 
he would repeatedly tell her not to be so shy, that she 
7 
didn't have to be so shy. 
8 
Epstein asked her to remove her clothing and 
9 
she told him no, and throughout the massage he would 
10 
11 
12 
13 
14 
15 
repeatedly grab at 
masturbate through 
clothes, she would 
that. 
upon leaving 
told 
that if 
her, 
this 
pull 
the 
he grabbed her butt, he did 
first massage and pulled her 
away and she was paid $200 for 
first massage Mr. Epstein 
was willing to do more she 
16 
would get paid more. He also informed 
that if she 
17 
would bring her pretty friends he would also pay her for 
18 
bringing her pretty friends. He told 
that 
19 
would get her phone number. 
20 
says that she performed three to four 
21 
massages for Mr. Epstein. we have with 
22 
approximately a hundred phone calls between 
23 
and 
24 
when i interviewed 
she became very upset 
25 
when we got to the sexual massages that she did for 
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Mr. Epstein. At this point, this is as much as we know 
2 
at this point of what occurred with Mr. Epstein and 
3 
4 
She did three to four massages and those last 
5 
massages they became more sexual in nature, he asked her 
6 
again to remove her clothing, this time she took her 
7 
shirt off, he asked her to take her bra off, she said 
8 
no. 
9 
He again would touch her breasts, he would 
10 
touch her butt, he did continue to masturbate, this time 
11 
she believes he ejaculated. He continued to compliment 
12 
her, tell her she had a nice body and that she was 
13 
pretty. 
14 
says that he was very nice and engaged 
15 
her in conversation, asked her, you know, if she had a 
16 
boyfriend. In the last massage she discusses with me, 
17 
and this massage Mr. Epstein told her to stop being shy 
18 
and asked her to take her clothes off and 
said 
19 
that she had a boyfriend and she didn't feel comfortable 
20 
taking her clothes off and he told her you should know 
21 
what to expect by now when you come here, and he jerked 
22 
on her pants as to like jerk them down, so she did on 
23 
this last massage get down to her bra and underwear. 
24 
She describes his tone at this time being 
25 
frustrated and irritated, she stayed in her bra and 
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underwear, but during the massage he grabbed her bra and 
2 
pulled it down and fondled her breasts, he had 
3 
instructed her to pinch his chest, his nipples while she 
4 
was massaging his chest, he tried to grab her all over, 
5 
he knew that she was upset with this massage. 
6 
At one point mr. Epstein asked her if she had 
7 
sex with her boyfriend, 
informs him that she is 
8 
still a virgin and he responds what, you don't like sex? 
9 
And that's pretty much the way that last massage went. 
10 
Q 
NOW, Special Agent IIIIIIIIIIII just to 
11 
interrupt you, you mentioned that Jane Doe number 4 
12 
became very upset as you were asking her about the 
13 
massages, correct? 
14 
A 
yes. 
15 
Q 
And when she was describing this incident with 
16 
him grabbing at her breast and trying to pull her pants 
17 
down and instructing her to remove her pants, correct? 
18 
A 
yes. 
19 
Q 
you had talked last week about the expert that 
20 
you had spoken with about interviewing victims of these 
21 
types of offenses? 
22 
A 
Right. 
23 
Q 
And you had told us about how a victim may be 
24 
reticent at first to tell the entire story until a 
25 
rapport is built? 
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A 
Right. 
2 
Q 
Can you tell the Grand Jury your impressions 
3 
of your interview with 
4 
A 
She became so visibly upset, and a lot of the 
5 
girls are embarrassed of what took place, but when she 
6 
talked about the last massage and him grabbing her 
7 
breasts and fondling her breasts she was in tears and we 
8 
stopped the massage and we calmed her down, trying to go 
9 
back there was just too difficult, I could not get her 
10 
back to discussing anything further that had taken 
11 
place. 
12 
I have since then -- I have since talked to 
13 
again and I feel there is more there, but I just 
14 
don't think she is ready to disclose what took place. 
15 
Q 
So based upon the more than 60 telephone calls 
16 
as well as --
17 
A 
Approximately a hundred. 
18 
Q 
-- 100 telephone calls and your conversations 
19 
with 
you think there is probably more than four 
20 
massages that happened? 
21 
A 
ves, I do. 
22 
Q 
was there anything else that you wanted to 
23 
discuss with the Grand Jury? 
24 
A 
Just, as I stated in the beginning of those 
25 
massages, they engaged in conversation and throughout 
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