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1 where the evidence has been collected in this case, was
2 the start of your investigation information that you
3 received from the Palm Beach Police Department?
4 A Yes, it was.
5 Q And that included evidence seized during a
6 search of Mr. Epstein's home at El Brillo Way?
7 A Yes.
8 Q Also controlled calls that the Palm Beach Police
9 Department placed?
10 A Yes.
11 Q And interviews of girls and other people by the
12 Palm Beach Police Department?
13 A Yes, as well as trash pulls that the Palm Beach
14 Police Department conducted on Mr. Epstein's residence.
15 Q Then when the FBI became involved, the FBI did
16 additional interviews of girls and of recruiters?
17 A Yes.
18 Q They obtained phone records?
19 A Yes, we have.
20 Q And records of payments?
21 A Yes.
22 Q Did this grand jury also subpoena travel
23 records?
24 A Yes.
25 Q Including the flight manifests of the planes
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owned by Hyperion and J.E.G.E.?
2 A Yes.
3 Q Did you also get corporate documents related to
4 those two planes?
5 A Yes, we have.
6 Q Once you had obtained all of this information,
7 did the FBI analyze the data, specifically the call
8 information and the flight information to put together a
9 pattern of activity by the defendants?
10 A Yes, we did.
11 Q So you have a series of phone calls coming from
12 these three assistants who were on the board, the two
13 girls who have been identified through this investigation?
14 A Yes.
15 Q When you spoke with those girls, did any of them
16 tell you that they had developed some sort of a personal
17 relationship with the assistants so that they were just
18 chatting over the telephone?
19 A No, not at all.
20 Q All of them said what about the phone calls?
21 A Said that the phone calls were made to set up
22 appointments for Mr. Epstein.
23 Q And the girls referred to it as appointments to
24 work, is that right?
25 A Yes, they were appointments to work. There is
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1 one exception, we're going to talk about her
2 probably next week. She did say on one or two occasions
3 that had called her when she had gone out
to California on a trip, I believe. But that is the only
time that that was ever mentioned. In fact, we asked, and
6 those phone calls were made for the purpose of setting up
7 appointments for Mr. Epstein.
8 Q Is the investigation continuing?
9 A Yes, it is.
10 Q Are you still trying to locate and interview
11 more girls?
12 A Yes.
13 Q Let's turn to the specific evidence reporting
14 the overt acts and offenses relating to Jane Doe's 1
15 through 5. I know that every member of the grand jury has
16 a copy of the draft indictment before them, and also a
17 chart.
18 Do you have a copy of that chart as well?
19 A I do.
20 Q Do you have photographs of the five girls that
21 we are going to talk about today?
22 A Yes.
23 Q And these are photographs of the people that we
24 are calling Jane Doe's 1 through 5?
25 A Yes.
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1 Q And Jane Doe Number 1, you have previously
2 testified about her?
3 A Yes, I have, that's .
4 Q Jane Doe Number 2?
s A That
is
6 Q Jane Doe Number 3?
7 A That is
8 Q Jane Doe Number 4?
9 A
10 Q And Jane Doe Number 5?
11 A That is
12 JUROR: The purpose of Epstein's business with
13 his planes, did he transport?
14 THE WITNESS: To travel around.
15 JUROR: So it wasn't like a business of
16 transporting other people?
17 THE WITNESS: He flew other guests, sometimes
18 unaccompanied, sometimes accompanied.
19 JUROR: and do you have
20 any evidence that they started young, like the rest
21 of the recruits?
22 THE WITNESS: We have evidence that they are his
23 personal assistants employed by him, not that it was
24 anything like what we were discussing.
25 JUROR: There was an allegation that was made
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1 earlier, back in February, during one of these
2 discussions, about a specific act that was performed.
3 Can I ask about that? We were told back in February
4 that one of the girls when interviewed had alleged
5 rape, and I hadn't heard about that allegation
6 recently.
7 THE WITNESS: That's probably Jane Doe Number 6.
8 We're going to talk about her, that he forcibly put
her on the table and Yeah, she will
10 be coming up. We're going to do her probably next
11 week. She'll be the first one we'll talk about.
12 BY MS.
13 Q So turning to Jane Doe Number 1, 1. You
14 testified about her earlier before this grand jury,
15 correct?
16 A Yes, I did.
17 Q And she also testified before this grand jury,
18 correct?
19 A Yes.
20 Q Can you remind us of her date of birth?
21 A She was born on
22 Q Could you briefly refresh the grand jury's
23 recollection of how she was recruited?
24 A She was approached on a beach by and
25 (phonetic). They approached her on a beach
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1 and asked her if she wanted to perform massages for
2 Mr. Epstein and make some money.
3 Q From the review of the phone records that you
4 have received, were you able to identify a telephone
5 number associated with
6 A Yes. '
7 Q In fact, has been interviewed?
8 A Yes, he has.
9 Q And has he admitted to being a recruiter for Mr.
10 Epstein?
11 A Yes, recruiter and driver.
12 Q If you could take a look at Overt Act Number 2,
13 which appears on page five. That states, °On or about
14 March 12, 2004, defendants Jeffrey Epstein and
15 caused Jane Doe Number 1 to travel to 358 Brillo Way of
16 Palm Beach, Florida..
17 Can you tell us what evidence you have regarding
18 that?
19 A We have reviewed phone records for and
20 that indicate the calls took place, as well as phone
21 records for and and calls that took
22 place on or about those dates. We've also looked at a
23 flight manifest, and were able to show that Mr. Epstein
24 arrived the day before, on the 11th. We also have
25 statement where she describes the sexual activity that
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1 took place.
2 Q On that date, March 12 of 2004, described
3 going to Mr. Epstein's house and performing a sexual
4 massage?
5 A Yes, on or about that day.
6 Q On or about that date, what did state
7 about being paid?
A She was paid $200.
9 Q And that relates to Overt Act Number 3?
10 A Yes.
11 Q And she stated that Mr. Epstein is the person
12 who gave her that?
13 A She told us that in her statement.
14 Q If you could take a look at Overt Act Number 95,
15 which is on page 17. On or about February 6, 2005,
16 Epstein had Jane Doe Number 1 to make one or more
17 telephone calls to Jane Doe Number 2.
18 First of all, who is Jane Doe Number 2?
19 A That would be , our youngest victim.
20 Q Can you tell us what evidence you have related
21 to that overt act?
22 A We have the girl's statements that calls were
23 made. We also reviewed the phone records that indicated
24 that there was telephonic contact between the numbers
25 belonging to and
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1 Q And in the statement of both girls, did they
2 describe that is the person who called
3 looking for someone to come and work at Mr. Epstein's
4 house?
5 A Yes.
6 Q Looking at Overt Act Number 96. On or about
7 February 6, 2005, Epstein caused Jane Doe Number 1 to
8 transport Jane Doe Number 2 to 358 El Brillo way.
9 What is the evidence related to that?
10 A Again, the statements of and support
11 that as further evidence, and also reviewing the phone •
12 records they indicate that there was telephonic contact
13 between and and and
14 Q Overt Act Number 97, on or about February 6,
15 2005, Epstein made a payment of $300 to Jane Doe Number 2
16 and a payment of $200 to Jane Doe Number 1.
17 what was the evidence of that?
18 A Both and stated in their statements
19 that was paid $300, and was paid $200 for
20 bringing
21 Q Did explain why she was paid $300?
22 A Yes, she was paid $300 because she performed her
23 massage. Mr. Epstein and a
24 on
25 Q After this date, after February 6, 2005, was
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1 $300 found in purse when it was searched at her
2 school?
3 A Yes, it was, by a school administrator.
4 Q If you could look at Overt Act Number 117, which
5 is on page 19, and that states that on or about March 30,
6 2005, caused one or more calls to be made to a
7 telephone used by Jane Doe Number 1.
8 what evidence do you have related to that?
9 A We reviewed the phone records of and
10 that indicate this.
11 Q And Overt Act 120, on or about March 31,
12 caused one or more calls to be made to a telephone used by
13 Jane Doe Number 1.
14 A Again, we reviewed the phone records that
15 indicated there was telephonic contact between the numbers
16 belonging to and
17 Q Then we have Overt Act Number 122, which is also
18 March 31, that Epstein and caused Jane Doe Number 1
19 to make a call to a telephone used by Jane Doe Number 2.
20 What evidence do you have related to that?
21 A We have phone records that we have reviewed
22 belonging to and . In this case, we also have a
23 voice mail that was provided to us by the Palm Beach
24 Police Department, a voice mail of leaving a voice
25 mail message on phone.
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1 And Overt Act Number 123 refers to April 1st.
2 what evidence do you have related to that?
3 A we have reviewed the phone records of and
4 that indicate telephonic contact was made on this
5 day. We also again have another recorded voice mail by
6 , left on phone.
7 • These later calls, the March-April calls, are
8 those the controlled calls that the Palm Beach Police
9 Department was involved in?
10 A There was controlled calls placed to
11 cell phone and to place of work by under the
12 supervision of the Palm Beach Police Department.
13 Q And the voice mail message that you referred to
14 of calling , what information was leaving
15 in that voice mail message?
16 A was asking for to get back in touch,
17 that she had set up an appointment for at Epstein's
18 house on the following day, on that Saturday at around
19 10:30 or 11:00.
20 Q In addition to the phone records, was there
21 anything that the Palm Beach Police Department found that
22 also confirmed that this appointment actually was made.
23 A As I mentioned earlier, the Palm Beach Police
24 Department was doing trash pulls on Mr. Epstein's
25 residence. In there, there were two messages or notes in
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1 there on Epstein's personalized stationary. On it it
2 said, " with on Saturday at 10:30, and on
3 Saturday with at 10:30." That's the exact message on
4 the two notes that were found in his trash when they
5 retrieved it on April 8.
6 Q If I could direct your attention to Count Number
7 Five, which appears on page 26. That is the charge of
8 enticement of a minor, referring to Jane Doe Number 1, and
9 Mr. Epstein and are charged.
10 I know that you talked about the telephone
11 traffic. The calls between and , did
12 they fall within that March 7 through March 11 time
13 period?
14 A A review of their telephone records do indicate
15 that there were phone calls made during that time.
16 Q And Jane Doe Number 1 actually went to Mr.
17 Epstein's home?
18 A Yes, and performed a massage for him in the
19 nude.
20 Q And she was paid for that?
21 A Yes, she was paid $200.
22 Q And he , correct?
23 A Yes, he did. I would like to include that
24 took upstairs for that massage, and she also
25 set up the massage table and arranged the oil and lotions
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1 for IIIII to do that massage.
2 Q And also, just so it's clear, how old was
3 at that time?
4 A She was 17.
: Are there any questions about
6 either how that evidence was presented or about the
7 charges related to Jane Doe Number 1? Seeing no
8 questions, we'll turn to Jane Doe Number 2.
9 BY.
10 Q You previously mentioned that that was
112
11 A Yes.
12 Q Let's turn to Count Number Six, which is on page
13 26, which is the enticement of ■ If you could tell
14 the grand jury about the evidence related to that.
15 A date of birth is
16 Q So during this period of February 5, 2005 to the
17 6th, how old was she?
18 A She was 14.
19 Q Can you remind the grand jury about the evidence
20 related to the enticement of
21 A As we stated earlier, we talked about the
22 telephone calls. We have shown that the facility of
23 interstate commerce was used by the telephone calls made
24 by their cell phones. We examined specifically
25 and . Those calls were made to
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1 set up and arrange appointments for Mr. Epstein to have
2 his massages.
3 Pertaining to , during the massage that
4 occurred on those dates, February 6, in particular, I
5 think I have discussed with you before what occurred on
6 that, that he -- and that was his term for
7 it -- and that he
8 He did during that massage, and she
9
10 . She was paid $300, and we know that she was 14
11 at the time.
12 Q If we could turn to Count Number 43, which
13 appears on page 31. Count 43 is one of the travel counts.
14 If you could tell the grand jury, did a trip occur on
15 March 31, 2005?
16 A Yes, we have flight records that indicate a
17 flight occurred on that date.
18 Q what type of plane was used?
19 A I'm going to refer to the J.E.G.E., Incorporated
20 aircraft as just the Boeing 727. If we talk about the
21 Hyperion Air, Incorporated aircraft, which is the Gulf
22 Stream, I will just say the Gulf Stream. So on that date
23 he did travel on his Boeing 727, on 3-31.
24 Q And Mr. Epstein was aboard the plane on that
25 day?
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1 A Yes, he was.
2 Q With respect to the March 31st trip, was there
3 evidence of him setting up the appointment with prior
4 to that trip?
5 A we do have telephonic contact between illilland
6 EMI as well as and on the day before
7 and the day of travel.
8 Q And even though that appointment was never kept,
9 that never went to that appointment, you have the
10 notes that were retrieved from the garbage that showed
11 that Mr. Epstein was expecting to show up for that
12 appointment?
13 A Yes.
14 Q Anything else with respect to that particular
15 count?
16 A We also have the controlled calls and the voice
17 mails.
18 Q Turning to Count Number 60, which appears on
19 page 34, that is the attempted enticement of
20 during the period of March 30 to April 1.
21 Again, at that point, ■was how old?
22 A She was 14.
23 Q And we had talked about the telephone calls that
24 were used. One Of the things that is relevant to this
25 particular count was that in addition to the fact that
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was 14, did you interview a girl who went with
2 when she went to Mr. Epstein's house back in
3 February?
4 A Yes, we did, that would be
5 Q And was interviewed?
6 A Yes, she was interviewed by the Palm Beach
7 Police Department.
8 Q What did say about appearance?
9 A That she was the youngest looking girl that
10 came.
11 Q When you talked with , did talk about
12 girls that Mr. Epstein liked in particular?
13 A Yes.
14 Q And was one of those girls?
15 A Yes, she was one of his preferences. also
16 told us that Mr. Epstein said to her on one occasion, "The
17 younger, the better."
18 Q And there was never any attempt to get
19 I.D. or to confirm her actual age?
20 A NO.
21 Q As we discussed before, never actually went
22 to that point, right, so that is just an attempt?
23 A Yes.
24 ■ : Are there any questions from the
25 grand jury? Seeing no questions, we'll see you next
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1 week. Thank you.
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14 Dated at West Palm Beach, Florida this 23rd day
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