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Assistant United States Attorney 
Office of the United States Attorney 
Southern District of Florida 
500 South Australian Avenue, Suite 400 
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401 
Dear Ms. 
February 23, 2007 
Re: Jeffrey Epstein 
Thank you once again for meeting with us regarding our client, Jeffrey Epstein. 
As you know, in advance of last Tuesday's meeting we provided you with the recorded 
interviews of various witnesses taken in the state's investigation. At the meeting, we disclosed 
that, as part of our own preparation, we made working transcripts of these recordings. You have 
asked for copies of the transcripts and we have discussed various ways that that might be 
accomplished without compromising Mr. Epstein's position and rights. 
To assist in your bringing this investigation to a close, enclosed are highlighted excerpts 
of the transcripts. The excerpts support our argument that no federal prosecution should be 
brought in this matter. Please note that these transcripts are drafts and subject to further review 
and revision. They are provided as a courtesy and in furtherance of our discussions and therefore 
are not usable by you for any purposes. By accepting these transcripts you agree never to 
contend that any revisions made thereto compare unfavorably to the drafts provided; nor will you 
use the drafts otherwise to the detriment of Mr. Epstein. 
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The excerpts fall generally into the following five subject areas and are therefore so 
arranged in the numbered tabs. Note, the witnesses were not all asked the same questions and 
therefore, not every witness touched on every subject area we here consider relevantl: 
Tab I: Mr. Epstein did not ask the women to touch, nor did the women in fact touch, his 
genitals; 
Tab 2: Mr. Epstein did not ask the women to engage, nor did they in fact engage, in 
sexual intercourse with him; 
Tab 3: Not only did Mr. Epstein not search out women under the age of 18, but the vast 
majority of the women from whom he received massages during the period were 18 or older. To 
the extent the witnesses were asked, they admitted being told that Mr. Epstein would not allow 
them into his house if they were not 18 and that if they were not 18, they were told (by friends, 
not by Mr. Epstein or anyone employed by Mr. Epstein) to lie about their age. Again, to the 
extent they were asked in the interviews, they admitted that, if the subject of age did come up in 
conversation with Mr. Epstein, those under 18 falsely claimed to him that they were 18; 
Tab 4: Mr. Epstein did not coerce, threaten or otherwise pressure the women in an effort 
to force them to do anything; to the extent they were asked, they admitted they understood they 
could decline to accede to any of Mr. Epstein's requests; and, 
Tab 5: Prior to going to Mr. Epstein's home, virtually all of the women were apprised of 
what they would be asked to do or, if they claimed they were not, they had no objection to what 
occurred, since they either returned to give further massages or they brought others to do so, or 
both. 
Of course, irrespective of what any particular witness said at her interview on any particular point, in 
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many instances fanciful claims are contradicted by the witness herself elsewhere in her statement, by 
documentary evidence, and/or by other witnesses. Moreover, the witnesses suffer from significant 
credibility problems based on universally accepted tests for credibility: bias, motive, prior bad acts, etc., 
some of which we have already previewed in the February I, 2007, letter. 
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Finally. nursuant to your reauest we have included copies of the full working transcripts 
of the 
-ecordings. If you have any questions regarding any of 
the materials we have provided please feel free to contact us. 
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1 and that, I don't know, we just don't talk anymore. 
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has ever slept 
6 With him. I can't speak for her. But be liked her the 
7 most. I don't know why he liked her the most but it was 
$ always ill'Illisorking for him. And she wouldn't Pat bring 
9 girls. Ohs would work for him. 
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Now much money do you think she made? 
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I don't know. She never really -- the first time 
12 I brought her she made 200. Alter that I think lobs started 
13 making like 300. It's not accurate. Like I can't --
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The more you do the more you get paid. 
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Pretty much. 
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I know you said that. But --
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Right. I think she made 300 after that 
I think 
1B she started making like 300 
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Dose he make the girls touch bin down there? 
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It wasn't with me. He never asked me tc touch him 
23 ox tondle him. He aver asked as 
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24 ever asked the ether girls. It was never really brought up. 
2S It WAS always him touching than. 
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Three hundred. And that .as the last tine you 
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When he touched your breast area, you didn't have 
8 e bra on? 
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I didn't have a bra oa. 
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Ch-huh 
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Was that over your panties of under your panties: 
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you hed thongs. Okay 
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Did he pull 
12 you close to him? 
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Yeah. 
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(Nods head yes.) 
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Cie he have you touch hie.? 
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HO. 
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Aside from the message, touch hiq in his penis 
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Huh-huh. No. 
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Did you bring anyone else other -hen --
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Okay. You messaged him? 
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Oh•huh. 
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Old he try to touch you in any way? 
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No 
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Did he introduce any toys or massagers slash 
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No. Huh-huh 
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Did he ask you to touch him? 
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Just to give him a massage. 
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I mean 
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Oh, no. Huh-huh. 
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No? 
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I would have said no anyways 
That's gross. 
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Okay 
Did he touch himself? 
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Yeah 
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Okay. And I mean, I mean by toucting himself, did 
19 he masturbate? 
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Yeah. 
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Okay. Co you know if he got to the point where be 
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He did. 
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Okay. filet's rine. 
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All right. was there anybody ever at the house 
6 that you provided a massage to aside from Jeffrey? 
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No. No. 
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No 
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Did be touch himself? 
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Yes. 
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Would he be just touching almeel£ or would he be 
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He mould masturbate. 
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Okay. How would you know that the massage was 
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He would come. 
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He climaxed? 
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Yeah. 
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22 everything seems to be in the norm, so that's why I'm saying 
23 don't, I know it', a little embarrassing. 
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25 house? 
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No. (InaUdible1 I Vela surprised about, that 
3 because he never asked but (inaudible). 
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Okay 
Cid you ever see him nude? Baked? 
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I wasn't paying attention, He got in the shower 
7 in front of to but I wasn't paying attention. 
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£o you can see -- the shower you could tee from 
9 the room? 
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There wad the shower and then he has like a bath 
11 If you come up into his bedroom, I don't really remember. 
12 but if you coma into his room there's( a shower. AA you come 
13 into the bathroom part there's a shower right here. And 
14 then a massage table right bore 
And then there was a couch 
15 %Ding around right here. And the shower (inaudible) he took 
16 a shower and he's like feel comfortable end I was like okay. 
17 I don't remember if he asked am to take off my clothes, my 
18 cop and my bottoms, but I think he did. I'm not sure. 
19 have bad memory 
It was a long time ago. 
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Right. 
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ID. 98059, reference case number 05-368. The time now, by my watch. Es 
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approximately 6 minutes past 2pm on 3/15/05. (Inaudible) Nigh Ridge Famly 
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UNK: Just High Ridge Family Center. 
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Spell your name please? 
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And you are? 
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CS 
Cathy Back. Family Therapist. 
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Could you spell your name please? 
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K-A-T41-Y B-A-C-K. 
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And you're her family therapist? Am I correct? 
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Yes. 
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reference to an incident that happened to amend of yours, cr a girl you know. 
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i'll swear on the bible. 
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I swear to God. 
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So that's it. You did not have any kind of sex with him. 
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Neck no!! I will swear on my mother's grave... 
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Yes, I know what having sex with somebody means. 
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At no time did I touch his penis. 
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At any time, did he touch you.... 
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At no time... 
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Besides putting his hands... 
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Besides that, no times did he touch me. 
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Yes, I saw him. 
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I think, I know, wet., I couldn't say I know, but Ws the same noises were being 
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made when he was (inaudible). 
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Well. no. :t was the second time that I gave him 
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Okay. You wont uostairs with 
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No, T was in the kitchen. 
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You were In the kitchen 
That was -- you only had 
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Yeah. 
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the f_rst tine you didn't do anything but just stt 
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Yeah. 
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Whc did you sic in the kitchen with? 
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He had a CODA that was there and he had -- there 
15 was -ike two other girls there that :Ave with him. 
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Okay. Did yeti message hi.s back? was he naked 
17 when yo..: were massaging his? 
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Well, he had like a towel around his 
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When you were massaging him he never removed tna 
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Nu. 
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You wouldn't do that? 
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He kept like staring at re and like, I don't know, 
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I'm concerned with you. I know aboat 
11 other stories and I've interviewed other people have told me 
12 different things. That's why C's trying to find oat what 
13 happened to you. Okay? 
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Oh-huh. 
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You're the victim in than so that's why I'm trying 
16 to find out what happens to you 
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Oh-huh. 
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Okay? Who took you upstairs to the room? 
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This 4711-1 
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Okay. So ■ 
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Yes. 
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Did she tell you anything? Did she say anything? 
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Nth-huh. There's a massage table and she jest 
24 laid a tows,: down and she said that Jeffrey will be ott Co/ 
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