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Dershowitz, Alan - Vol. 04 011216 
January 12, 2016 
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IN THE CIRCUIT COURT OF THE SEVENTEENTH JUDICIAL 
CIRCUIT IN AND FOR BROWARD COUNTY, FLORIDA 
CASE NO.: 
CACE 15-000072 
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4 BRADLEY J. EDWARDS and PAUL G. 
CASSELL, 
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Plaintiffs, 
6 vs. 
7 ALAN M. DERSHOWITZ, 
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Defendant. 
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VIDEOTAPE CONTINUED DEPOSITION OF 
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ALAN M. DERSHOWITZ 
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VOLUME 4 
Pages 462 through 647 
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Tuesday, January 12, 2016 
1:05 p.m. - 4:45 p.m. 
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Tripp Scott 
110 Southeast 6th Street 
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Fort Lauderdale, Florida 
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Stenographically Reported By: 
Kimberly Fontalvo, RPR, CLR 
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Realtime Systems Administrator 
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1 APPEARANCES: 
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On behalf of Plaintiffs: 
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SEARCY, DENNEY, SCAROLA 
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BARNHART & SHIPLEY, P.A. 
2139 Palm Beach Lakes Boulevard 
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West Palm Beach, Florida 33402-3626 
BY: JACK SCAROLA, ESQ. 
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8 On behalf of Defendant: 
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COLE, SCOTT & KISSANE, P.A. 
Dadeland Centre II - Suite 1400 
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9150 South Dadeland Boulevard 
Miami, Florida 33156 
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BY: THOMAS EMERSON SCOTT, JR., ESQ. 
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BY: STEVEN SAFRA, ESQ. 
(Via phone) 
13 --and--
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SWEDER & ROSS, LLP 
131 Oliver Street 
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Boston, MA 02110 
BY: KENNETH A. SWEDER, ESQ. 
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17 --and--
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WILEY, REIN 
17769 K Street NW 
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Washington, DC 20006 
BY: RICHARD A. SIMPSON, ESQ. 
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1 APPEARANCES (Continued): 
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3 On behalf of Jeffrey Epstein: 
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DARREN K. INDYKE, PLLC 
575 Lexington Ave., 4th Fl. 
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New York, New York 
BY: DARREN K. INDYKE, ESQ. (Via phone) 
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7 On behalf of 
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BOIES, SCHILLER & FLEXNER, LLP 
401 E. Las Olas Blvd., Ste. 1200 
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Fort Lauderdale, Florida 33301 
BY: SIGRID STONE MCCAWLEY, ESQ. 
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12 ALSO PRESENT: 
13 Edward J. Pozzuoli, Special Master 
14 Sean D. Reyes, Utah Attorney General Office 
15 Travis Gallagher, Videographer 
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INDEX 
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Examination 
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VOLUME 4 (Pages 462 - 647) 
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7 Certificate of Oath 
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Certificate of Reporter 
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8 Read and Sign Letter to Witness 
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Errata Sheet (forwarded upon execution) 
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PLAINTIFF EXHIBITS 
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12 No 
Page 
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19 Proposed Joint Letter to the Special 
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Master 
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20 Document reflecting entry for Bands, 
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Doug 
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21 Article from the Daily Mail.com titled 562 
Prince Andrew's billionaire friend is 
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accused of preying on girl of 14 
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22 Letter dated July 6, 2007 from Gerald 
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B. Lefcourt to 
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and others 
22 pages 
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23 Document titled NewsRoom/Alan 
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Dershowitz to talk in Alburquerque 
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24 Article from nydailynews.com titled 
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Alleged 'sex slave' 
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says she didn't have sex with former 
President Bill Clinton, but in 
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explosive court filing, details 
11-person orgy with Prince Andrew and 
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others 
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VIDEOGRAPHER: Going back on the record. 
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The time is approximately 1:05 p.m. 
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MR. INDYKE: This is Darren Indyke. If it 
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would be okay with everyone, I would like to 
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clarify a couple of points for the record. 
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SPECIAL MASTER POZZUOLI: Go ahead. 
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MR. INDYKE: First, I apologize for the 
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spotty reception during the morning session. I 
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was having difficulty hearing you folks, and I 
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think you were having some difficulty hearing 
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me. I think I've corrected it, but if I could 
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ask if you could move the mic closer to him 
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somehow or if I let you know that I can't hear, 
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if somebody could just speak up. 
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MR. SCAROLA: Did we turn that speaker 
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volume up? 
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MR. SIMPSON: Let's turn up the volume. 
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MR. INDYKE: Secondly, as to the argument 
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that work product belongs to the attorney and 
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not the client, I want to make sure that it's 
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clear that we disagree with that vehemently. 
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We believe that it is a client's every bit 
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as much as an attorney's and an attorney has no 
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right to waive that privilege over the 
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objection of a client. If that were true, 
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there would be nothing improper with an 
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attorney publishing his entire case file over 
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the objection of his client with the exception 
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of communications back and forth between 
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attorney and client. Strategies, witnesses, 
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things like that could be disclosed over the 
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objection of a client, and that's just not the 
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case. 
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So for the record, Mr. Epstein reasserts 
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the work product privilege and would continue 
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do so. And I would instruct Mr. Dershowitz not 
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provide any response to any question that would 
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require Mr. Dershowitz to invade that 
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privilege. 
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Third, I guess as to the joint defense 
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agreement, it is our position that any party to 
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the joint defense agreement may assert it, and 
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it doesn't require disclosure of all parties to 
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the agreement in order for the assertion to be 
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valid. 
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I would note that disclosure of the 
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parties to a joint defense agreement are often, 
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by the terms of a joint defense agreement, 
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subject to confidentiality and, thus, protected 
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by the privilege. 
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And I would also point out that it's not 
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necessary for a person to be a party to a joint 
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defense agreement for the communications with 
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that person by a lawyer who is making those 
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communications on behalf of the client party to 
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the agreement to be subject to the joint 
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defense agreement. 
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And while we need to do some more 
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background research to get the full details of 
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the joint defense agreement, I would -- for 
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those reasons, to the extent that any 
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disclosure in response to any questions posed 
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to Mr. Dershowitz would require Mr. Dershowitz 
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to invade that joint defense agreement, we 
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would instruct -- we would object and instruct 
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that Mr. Dershowitz not respond. I think that 
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covers everything that I have. 
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SPECIAL MASTER POZZUOLI: Thank you. 
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Let's proceed. 
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MR. SCAROLA: Before we proceed, I want to 
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note for the record that the various 
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transcripts of statements made by 
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Mr. Dershowitz that had been requested during 
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the earlier session of the deposition were 
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marked as Exhibit Number 1 to the prior 
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sessions of Mr. Dershowitz's deposition. 
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I believe that everything that was 
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referenced has been disclosed. To the extent 
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that opposing counsel identifies anything that 
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is not included in Composite Exhibit Number 1 
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previously marked, we would be happy to provide 
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a copy of that as soon as a copy --
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MR. INDYKE: Is that Mr. Scarola? 
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MR. SCAROLA: It is, yes. 
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SPECIAL MASTER POZZUOLI: Hang on. Speak 
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up a little bit, Jack. 
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MR. SCAROLA: Certainly. As soon as a 
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copy that does not include work product 
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notations is available, and the portions of 
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statements made by Mr. Dershowitz not included 
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in Exhibit Number 1 are identified to us, we 
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will provide those. 
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MR. SCOTT: I think what we most want, 
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Jack, are the -- I think we have one 
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transcript, but I think there's another 
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transcript of the bench and Bar that we need. 
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MR. SCAROLA: There are multiple 
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transcripts included in Exhibit Number 1. 
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MR. EDWARDS: If there are transcripts 
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that you need that are not included in Exhibit 
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Number 1, tell me. I'll get them to you, and 
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I'll get them to you tomorrow since we're here 
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again. 
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MR. SCAROLA: I just want the record to 
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reflect that I believe that everything that 
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we've made reference to is included in Exhibit 
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Number 1. If I'm incorrect in that regard, you 
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let us know what it is, we'll give it to you. 
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SPECIAL MASTER POZZUOLI: Darren, anything 
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on your end? You okay? 
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MR. INDYKE: Yep. 
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SPECIAL MASTER POZZUOLI: I would welcome 
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the parties just to get together to make sure 
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they have a complete set of what they need, and 
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we'll go from there. 
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MR. EDWARDS: Absolutely. Just for the 
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record, my only real objection was not turning 
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over what I had marked and my work product. 
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SPECIAL MASTER POZZUOLI: I understood. 
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MR. EDWARDS: I'll get everything to him 
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tomorrow. 
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SPECIAL MASTER POZZUOLI: I took it that 
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way. 
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BY MR. EDWARDS: 
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Q. 
Going back to testing the credibility of 
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and things that she has said, was 
she lying when she said that she has flown on 
Jeffrey Epstein's airplane? 
MR. INDYKE: Objection. Work product and 
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common interest. 
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A. 
I think I can answer that question. Based 
7 on material that was produced in discovery, which 
8 would not be subject to privilege, there seems to be 
9 evidence that she did fly on the airplane with 
10 Jeffrey Epstein. 
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BY MR. EDWARDS: 
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Q. 
Was she lying when she says that she was 
13 flown on Jeffrey Epstein's airplane across state 
14 lines at a time when she was under the age of 18? 
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A. 
I have no idea. 
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MR. INDYKE: Objection. Same objection. 
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Work product and attorney-client and common 
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interest. 
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A. 
I have no idea. But, again -- I just have 
20 no idea. 
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BY MR. EDWARDS: 
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Q. 
Is there any nonprivileged information 
23 that you could review that would give you an idea to 
24 answer that question or that would give you the 
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A. 
I imagine there would be if there were 
2 videotapes. I've always said from the beginning, I 
3 hope there are videotapes of every moment in 
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' life, because they would exculpate 
5 me completely. So I hope there are videotapes. 
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Q. 
Aren't you aware that there were 
7 videotapes that were taken within your client 
8 Jeffrey Epstein's various homes? 
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MR. INDYKE: Objection. Work product, 
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attorney-client. Common interest. 
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SPECIAL MASTER POZZUOLI: Carve out the 
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privileged issue and non-privileged, if he 
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gained information through a nonprivileged 
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source. 
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BY MR. EDWARDS: 
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Q. 
Well, the statement was -- which I was not 
17 going there. The statement was, if there are 
18 videos, I want them all out there? 
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A. 
Absolutely. 
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Q. 
So, isn't it true that you know that there 
21 were indeed videos taken from within your client's 
22 various homes? 
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MR. INDYKE: Same objection. 
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BY MR. EDWARDS: 
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Q. 
Privileged or nonprivileged. 
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MR. SCOTT: Asked and answered in the last 
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depo. 
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A. 
I hope there were videos. I hope there 
4 are videos of every moment of 
life 
5 from the time she allegedly met Jeffrey Epstein to 
6 the time she left. I hope there were videos in 
7 every bedroom. I hope there were videos in every 
8 massage room. I hope there are videos all over. 
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And from day one, I categorically stated 
10 that there could be no photograph, no video that 
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would demonstrate that what she said was true, 
12 because I knew it was false. She knew it was false. 
13 And you knew it was false. 
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BY MR. EDWARDS: 
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Q. 
In representing a client, don't you try to 
16 determine or ascertain what evidence does exist that 
17 may incriminate or exonerate any particular client? 
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A. 
Of course. 
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Q. 
Okay. In making that inquiry in this 
20 case, haven't you learned that there are --
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SPECIAL MASTER POZZUOLI: Which case? 
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BY MR. EDWARDS: 
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Q. 
In the case in which you represented 
24 Jeffrey Epstein, haven't you learned that there were 
25 video recordings taken from within Jeffrey Epstein's 
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various homes as well as his airplane? 
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MR. INDYKE: Objection, same objection. 
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Instruct him not to answer. 
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A. 
I hope there were. 
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BY MR. EDWARDS: 
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Q. 
Will you then assist us 
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A. 
Yes. 
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Q. 
-- in obtaining those videos from your 
9 client? 
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A. 
I will assist you in  getting any possible 
11 videotapes of 
or any of the 
12 locations where the false accusation against me was 
13 made. I would be thrilled to have videos of every 
14 moment of my life during that period of time, and 
15 every moment of her life. Because they would prove 
16 conclusively that which I know to be conclusively 
17 false, namely that she made up the stories about me. 
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Q. 
Okay. Just so I understand your 
19 agreement, is that --
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MR. INDYKE: Just so we're clear, 
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Mr. Epstein is not waiving any of his 
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objections as to any such information to the 
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extent that it exists. 
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BY MR. EDWARDS: 
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Q. 
Okay. Well, this video or photograph --
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if :here are videos or photographs of 
that have been taken or recorded from 
Jeffrey Epstein's home, is that -- is that evidence 
that you will assist us in obtaining? 
A. 
I will try my best to try to get every 
possible --
MR. INDYKE: Objection. 
A. 
-- photograph -- I'm entitled to say what 
I'll try to best to do. I will try my best to get 
every possible video, photograph, and any other 
piece of objective evidence because I know it will 
all completely prove beyond any doubt that I wasn't 
there. 
BY MR. EDWARDS: 
Q. 
And if that information has already 
exchanged hands -- that evidence has already 
exchanged hands from Jeffrey Epstein's hands to the 
hands of his attorneys, as part of their work 
product, would you agree to waive your work product 
privilege to produce that evidence? 
MR. SCOTT: Objection. 
MR. INDYKE: Objection. 
A. 
I don't have any such evidence. I wish I 
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BY MR. EDWARDS: 
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Q. 
With respect to the search warrant that 
3 was executed on Jeffrey Epstein's house, isn't it 
4 true that just before that search warrant was 
5 executed, the -- Jeffrey Epstein's legal team 
6 ordered that three computers be removed from Jeffrey 
7 Epstein's home that contained pornographic images, 
8 including those of 
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I made no such order. 
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MR. INDYKE: Same objection. And instruct 
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not to answer. 
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BY MR. EDWARDS: 
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Q. 
I didn't ask if you made the order. Isn't 
14 it true that that occurred? 
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MR. INDYKE: Same objection. 
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MR. SIMPSON: Darren? 
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SPECIAL MASTER POZZUOLI: I'm not so sure 
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you can waive that objection. 
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A. 
I wish I could. 
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BY MR. EDWARDS: 
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Q. 
Didn't the U.S. Attorney's Office issue 
22 grand jury subpoenas to the investigators that were 
23 working on Jeffrey Epstein's behalf and were holding 
24 those computers, and those grand jury subpoenas 
25 outstanding at the time that the case resolved? 
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A. 
All I can say --
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MR. INDYKE: Same objection and 
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instruction. 
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A. 
-- is I wish every video, every computer, 
5 I wish everything that would show where 
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was had been turned over and would be turned 
7 over. 
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MR. SCAROLA: Mr. Dershowitz's repeated 
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comments about what he wishes would happen are 
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an indirect statement that if he could answer 
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the questions, the responses that he would give 
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would be favorable to him and would exonerate 
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him. 
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His wishes are not the subject of the 
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inquiry. And every occasion on which he 
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expresses a wish and refuses to give an answer 
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is unresponsive to the questions that are being 
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asked, and should be stricken. 
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They also constitute a waiver to the 
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extent that they imply that if the question 
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could be answered, the answer would be 
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favorable. 
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I would ask you to instruct --
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MR. INDYKE: And to the extent that they 
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imply a waiver --
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SPECIAL MASTER POZZUOLI: Hang on a 
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second. Let him finish. 
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MR. INDYKE: I apologize, Mr. Scarola. 
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MR. SCAROLA: That's quite all right, 
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thank you. 
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I know that over the speakerphone, it's 
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difficult, and I take no offense to the 
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interruption. I know it was inadvertent. 
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But I would ask that the witness be 
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instructed to discontinue that improper 
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assertion of statements of opinion when no 
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opinions are being requested. 
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SPECIAL MASTER POZZUOLI: Counsel, do you 
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have a response? I think Mr. Scarola is done. 
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MR. INDYKE: My response is to the extent 
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that you're attempting to imply anything 
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from -- imply a waiver from Mr. Dershowitz, 
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Mr. Epstein does not waive, and instructs 
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Mr. Dershowitz that he can make no such waiver. 
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THE WITNESS: I have not refused to 
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answer. 
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SPECIAL MASTER POZZUOLI: Hang on one 
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second. Let me say this: I would suggest that 
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I don't take such inference that he's waiving 
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based upon his general statements. 
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What -- we have been down a little bit of 
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this road this morning on trying to get to what 
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appears to be privileged information or 
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information that -- or activity that was 
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undertaken or not undertaken during the course 
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of the representation, the relationship -- the 
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attorney-client relationship between 
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Mr. Dershowitz and Mr. Epstein. 
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And at this point, based upon the 
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objection, I will uphold the objection and 
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we'll move forward. 
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MR. SCAROLA: The second part of my 
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request is that Mr. Dershowitz be instructed to 
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refrain from expressing a desire to answer 
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questions. It's not responsive. It implies 
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that if he could answer, the answers would be 
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favorable. 
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The implication is improper, and the 
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insertion into the record of the implication is 
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improper. If he can't answer the question, he 
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should simply say he cannot answer based on 
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privilege. 
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THE WITNESS: Can I respond? 
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SPECIAL MASTER POZZUOLI: No. Let me 
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I think that's appropriate. I do actually 
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agree with Mr. Scarola in this respect. I do 
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think that you should be responsive 
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specifically to the question if you can. 
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Where you can't, you state you can't. I 
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believe that the record is now full of your 
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views on some of this in a generic way, and so 
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with that said, I would ask that you be more 
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pointed with your answers. 
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THE WITNESS: I appreciate that. I just 
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want to comment that I did not ever refuse to 
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answer any of those questions. It was 
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instructed not to answer any of those 
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questions. 
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SPECIAL MASTER POZZUOLI: I do understand 
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that. For purposes of some efficiency here, I 
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would like to get through this within the time 
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alloted. 
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MR. EDWARDS: Me, too. Thank you. 
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BY MR. EDWARDS: 
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Q. 
Is there any nonprivileged information 
22 which would demonstrate whether 
23 statement that she was flown on Jeffrey Epstein's 
24 plane while underage was true or false? 
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A. 
I'm sure there must be, but i don't have 
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it in my mind right now, so I can't answer that 
2 question. 
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Q. 
The flight logs were previously marked 
4 as 
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MR. SCAROLA: Exhibit 7. 
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BY MR. EDWARDS: 
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Q. 
-- as Exhibit 7 to the deposition. I'll 
8 show you pages from Exhibit 7 which indicate the 
9 dates of the flight logs for those on the phone 
10 November 2002 through January -- sorry, 
11 November 2000 through January 2001 and January 2001 
12 through February 20th, 2001. 
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SPECIAL MASTER POZZUOLI: Counsel? 
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MR. SCOTT: Okay. 
15 
A. 
Yes, I see the flights that you have 
16 marked in green. 
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BY MR. EDWARDS: 
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Q. 
Do the flight logs indicate 
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as a passenger on Jeffrey Epstein's plane 
20 with Jeffrey Epstein? 
21 
A. 
Well, the first one I look at does not. 
22 It has J.E., G.M. and E.T. Although it's 
23 underlined, it doesn't suggest
24 The second one does say J.E., G.M., E.T., 
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And the fourth and fifth ones say 
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