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81 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 I don't think he was there when I first got there, but I could be wrong about that. Actively involved in any of the -- Paul Cassell, who was not even at that firm, was the other person that I communicated with the most on those cases about what was actually going on and strategy and things like that. Q I want to focus on for the six months you were at Rothstein, okay. That's what I'm focused on. For the three clients that had lawsuits pending against Mr. Epstein, I'm just trying to have you tell me which lawyers -- we are focused on lawyers for the moment -- we've already covered investigators -- which lawyers worked with you, were part of your team. You said Bill Berger. A It's the work with you. Bill Berger did things. He went to hearings and things like that. Q Did you not consider that him working with you? A I did. He's in that category. Q Who else? A There were other people, like -- there was a former FBI agent. I don't remember her last name, but I think her name is Cara. She was a lawyer. And I would communicate with her about different aspects of Palm Beach Reporting Service, Inc. EFTA00800588
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82 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 the investigation. Did she work with me? I don't think that she did anything. She could have attended a deposition. If she did, I don't necessarily remember. Q Let me pause for one second. Was she working as an investigator or as a lawyer when you would communicate with her? A A lawyer. Q Do you remember her last name? A No. Q Was it Holmes? A Than doesn't help to jog my memory. Sorry. Q Did she communicate with you about the claims against Mr. Epstein? A At times I believe she did. Q Did you discuss with her how to maximize the recovery against Mr. Epstein? A That's not something I would communicate to her. That could be something she might communicate to me. But I don't know about that. Q Tell me why she would do that. Why would she communicate to you as the lead lawyer for these A She may not. I mean, I'm just saying. I don't do that, hey, talk to somebody who doesn't -- who doesn't know as much as me about the case and say, How Palm Beach Reporting Service, Inc. EFTA00800589
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83 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 do we maximize recovery. I would know that. That's what my job was. Q So you wouldn't need Cara to tell you how you should or how you could maximize recovery against Mr. Epstein? A I didn't need anybody to tell me how to do anything. But at that firm, there were a lot of lawyers with a lot of experience, and taking information from them that's helpful on any case -- as it still is today how I practice how you probably practice -- it's no different. Q So other than Mr. Berger and Cara -- somebody with a last name was there anyone else that was part of the team? MR. SCAROLA: At RRA or working together with -- MR. LINK: Yes. MR. SCAROLA: Just at RRA? MR. LINK: Just at RRA. Same topic we have been on. THE WITNESS: The team is me and any lawyer who wants -- any lawyer there who knows about the case who wants to tell me anything about their own opinions about the case. Palm Beach Reporting Service, Inc. EFTA00800590
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84 1 2 3 4 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 BY MR. LINK: Q I guess let's try it a different way. Who drafted the papers that would get filed on behalf of the three clients while you were at RRA? A Ninety-eight percent of them would be me or Paul Cassell, if not 100 percent. I can't remember anybody else drafting anything, but I could be wrong. Q So if I look at papers that were filed during the period of time that you were with RRA in the three lawsuits against Mr. Epstein, 98 percent of those documents were probably drafted by you and/or Mr. Cassell, or the two of you together? A Yes. And probably more by Mr. Cassell doing the drafting than me. But yes. I mean, that's -- Q So if you wanted to hire a -- let me try that again. If you wanted to assign an investigator at RRA work to do on the Epstein matter, how would you do that? Who would you talk to? Was there a process involved? A I don't know what the initial process was. I don't remember that. But once I was introduced to Mike Fisten, I would just talk to Mike. I mean, that's who I talked to. Mike, this is what I think that we need to do next. Mike would say, Okay, let's get it done, Palm Beach Reporting Service, Inc. EFTA00800591
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85 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 or think about this. Q So any of the decisions that were made during the six months that you were at Rothstein were made, from a strategic standpoint, by you as the lead lawyer? A Yes. By me or by Paul Cassell. I mean, I think there was a time where we had pretty equal say in what we were doing next. Q Mr. Cassell was not an employee of Rothstein? A Right. Q You were the sole employee of Rothstein's firm that made decisions -- strategic decisions for the three clients? A Yes. Q Did you make the strategic decision to file the fourth lawsuit in federal court? A It wasn't my idea initially, but I quickly agreed with the idea. That was Paul's idea, and he was right on it, so I didn't -- I didn't come up with the idea, but I should have. Q It was Mr. Cassell's idea to file the federal court complaint for Plaintiffillill? A Right. Q Were there -- did you consider filing Palm Beach Reporting Service, Inc. EFTA00800592
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86 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 federal court complaints for the other two plaintiffs that you represented? A Well -- MR. SCAROLA: Excuse me. Let me interrupt here for just a moment. Obviously, what Mr. Edwards considered, his mental processes, are clearly attorney work product. I am more than happy to have him answer that question, but I don't want him to answer that question if the argument is going to be made that, by responding to this particular question, he has broadly waived work-product privilege. If we can agree that the answer to this question will not constitute a waiver of attorney work-product privilege, generally I don't have a problem with his responding to it. MR. LINK: I will agree with that. MR. SCAROLA: And for shorthand purposes, there may be other questions that fall into the same category, and I will just say, can we have the same agreement as to no waiver, and you will know what I'm talking about, okay? Palm Beach Reporting Service, Inc. EFTA00800593
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87 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MR. LINK: You're giving me more credit than I'm due, but I think I will figure it out. THE WITNESS: So, I believe your question was did we consider filing federal lawsuits for the other clients, that being -- other than BY MR. LINK: Q Yeah. While you were employed at RRA. A Got it. So Jane Doe, we filed in federal court already. So her case was already in federal court. However, there was a time, during this same time, that we weren't -- we weren't completely satisfied with the way we had pled it, so -- and for the same reason that I'm going to tell you as to why we filedilill But there wasn't the need to file on the other cases that we saw coming up case. I'm trying to figure out the best way to say this without invading the attorney-client privilege. Let's -- let me back up and explain it this way. The non-prosecution agreement Q Let me just stop you, because I think I Palm Beach Reporting Service, Inc. EFTA00800594
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88 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 asked you a really simple question. I thought my simple question was did you consider doing it? And you haven't told me yes you did or no you haven't. And Mr. Scarola made an objection. I don't want you to just give a speech, and I don't think Mr. Scarola does. A In general terms, we thought about it being the best idea in general. Q Did you draft, in fact, while you were at Mr. Rothstein's firm, a federal complaint for the other state court plaintiffs? A We either did or we conceptually agreed that we were going to. We agreed that we should. Q Okay. While you were at Mr. Rothstein's firm, you and Mr. Cassell agreed that you would file a second complaint on behalf of one of your clients that was in state court, and that complaint would be filed in federal court, just like the complaint was? MR. SCAROLA: Same agreement. MR. LINK: Same agreement. THE WITNESS: I believe so. We may have actually drafted it. BY MR. LINK: Q And that complaint was not filed, true? Palm Beach Reporting Service, Inc. EFTA00800595
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89 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A Which complaint? Q The one that we just talked about. A Q Yes. So the complaint was drafted A We didn't file a separate Q So what you and Mr. Cassell decided while you were at Rothstein you would do was never filed, right? A We never filed a separate complaint for in federal court. Q And once you left Mr. Rothstein's firm, you didn't file a federal case on behalf of , right? A I did not. Q And you did not serve Mr. Epstein after you left the Rothstein firm with the lawsuit, did you? A I have come to know from hearing over the years that it was never served, but I don't recollect whether it was served or not. I do remember at some point in time saying we should serve this. I don't remember it never being served or it being served. I know that it was dismissed at the same time as the other cases were settled. Q Let me ask it this way. Do you know -- MR. GOLDBERGER: Excuse me, Scott. The Palm Beach Reporting Service, Inc. EFTA00800596
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90 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 videographer says he has five minutes. THE WITNESS: We have five minutes. MR. LINK: Yeah. I think I can finish this up. BY MR. LINK: Q The . federal lawsuit -- like the lawsuit -- was, in fact, drafted while you were with Rothstein's firm. A We just went there through this. I don't remember whether it was drafted. I remember believing it should be drafted. Q And making the decision with Mr. Cassell to do that? MR. LINK: No waiver. MR. SCAROLA: Thank you. We could do this. Just give me a continuing agreement that there's no waiver, and I will let him continue to answer questions about this federal lawsuit. MR. LINK: Agreed. THE WITNESS: Sorry. State that question again. BY MR. LINK: Q I just want to -- A We were talking about Palm Beach Reporting Service, Inc. EFTA00800597
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91 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Q I want to tie it together, all right? So a decision was made on behalf of by you and Mr. Cassell while you were an employee at RRA to bring a separate federal court action against Mr. Epstein. A And we did. Q And you did. Also while you were at RRA, you and Mr. Cassell made the decision that you would file a lawsuit in federal court for—, just like you had done for A Correct. Q After leaving the Rothstein firm, you never filed the federal lawsuit for A Correct. Q And after leaving the Rothstein firm, you never served Mr. Epstein with the federal case? A You're telling me that? Q Yes. MR. SCAROLA: I object to Counsel testifying. BY MR. LINK: Q Do you remember that being the case? You do not? A I don't remember it not being filed, but I Palm Beach Reporting Service, Inc. EFTA00800598
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92 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 have heard that -- MR. SCAROLA: Served. THE WITNESS: Served -- but I have heard that enough to believe it to be true that it wasn't served on him. MR. LINK: Good place to take a break. THE VIDEOGRAPHER: The time is 11:49 a.m. This concludes tape one. We are going off the record. (A recess was had.) THE VIDEOGRAPHER: The time is 12:05 p.m. This is the beginning of tape two. We are back on the record. BY MR. LINK: Q Mr. Edwards, do you now have in front of you Plaintiff's Exhibit 1 -- A Yes. (Plaintiff's Exhibit Number 1 was marked for identification.) BY MR. LINK: Q -- which is the affidavit of Mr. Epstein? Have you seen this before? A I saw it when it was originally filed. Q Would you please -- MR. SCAROLA: For the record, we have Palm Beach Reporting Service, Inc. EFTA00800599
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93 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 moved to strike this affidavit. We believe it to be inadmissible. It is violative of the sword-shield doctrine, and we object to its use. BY MR. LINK: Q You may look at the entire affidavit if you want, but I'm going to focus you on paragraph six at least to start with. Just take a moment to read paragraph six. A Okay, I read it. Q Looking at the first sentence, do you have any reason to believe that that first sentence is not true? MR. SCAROLA: I'm going to object. There are a wide variety of separate factual assertions contained within that first sentence, and therefore, the question is compound. THE WITNESS: This is -- purports to be statements made by Jeffrey Epstein, which is pretty interesting, given that he invokes his Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination every time I've ever asked him anything that was on the record. So his statement in early November 2009 -- Palm Beach Reporting Service, Inc. EFTA00800600
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94 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 this is his statement about what stories were in the press at the time. BY MR. LINK: Q I'm asking you if this factual assertion in the first sentence is -- do you agree it's a true statement or not? MR. SCAROLA: And my objection is, there is not a factual assertion, but a multiplicity of allegations included in that first sentence, so the question is compound. THE WITNESS: Let me just read it out loud then I will try to answer your question. "In early November 2009, stories in the press, on the news, and on the Internet were legion about the implosion of RRA." BY MR. LINK: Q Let's just break it down statement by statement. Is that a true statement? MR. SCAROLA: I am going to object to that question on the basis that it is vague and ambiguous, particularly with regard to what legion means. THE WITNESS: There were stories in the news about the implosion of RRA. That's Palm Beach Reporting Service, Inc. EFTA00800601
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95 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 true. BY MR. LINK: Q Multiple stories? A Yeah. That's what the news cycle was about in Broward County at the time, was the implosion of RRA. Q Not just Broward, it was statewide news? A It was statewide news. Q It was national news? A The RRA implosion was -- Q Yes, sir. A -- was widespread news. I don't know -- yeah, I think it was national news. Certainly where we lived everybody knew about it. Q No question that in early November 2009 the press and the news was extensive relating to the implosion of the Rothstein firm? A Absolutely. Q And that press included information about the Ponzi scheme that was perpetrated at Rothstein, true? A I believe so. I mean, I don't know about November 2009, but at some point in time after -- pretty soon after it was -- there was news about it being a Ponzi scheme that Rothstein was running a Palm Beach Reporting Service, Inc. EFTA00800602
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96 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Ponzi scheme. It could have been December. It could have been January. I don't know. Right after. Q Let's take a look at some of the November articles. A Okay. Q Let me show you what's marked Plaintiff's Exhibit 2. Are you familiar with the Legal Junkies? A No. (Plaintiff's Exhibit Number 2 was marked for identification.) BY MR. LINK: Q You see this is dated November 2nd, 2009? Upper left-hand corner. A Yes. Q Wall Street Journal Law Blog, do you see that? A Point me where. Q Upper left-hand corner. A Yes. Q Do you see that on November 2nd, that there was this article about the Rothstein law firm? A There was an article about the Rothstein law firm, yes. Q Including the investment scheme and the structured settlements. Palm Beach Reporting Service, Inc. EFTA00800603
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97 1 2 3 4 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A Let me read it and I will tell you what I think it's about. Do you want me to read the updated -- Q No. I just want to make sure -- this is November 2nd. The statement we looked at was in early November 2009. And I'm showing you some of the articles to confirm that this statement in this affidavit that we are focused on, this one aspect of it, was true. MR. SCAROLA: For purposes of this line of questioning, since there has been no predicate laid with this witness as to the authenticity of this document, we will accept your representation that it is authentic. But we don't know that independently. So we are making that assumption for purposes of allowing this further line of questioning. THE WITNESS: And consistent with any answer, this is an article that confirms what I said, which is, there was news about the implosion of RRA. At this point in time -- you have given me an article from 11/2/09 -- there's nothing that identifies whatever Scott Palm Beach Reporting Service, Inc. EFTA00800604
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98 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Rothstein was alleged to have done as a Ponzi scheme at this time. BY MR. LINK: Q In this one article? A In this one I don't see it yet. I'm not saying it didn't happen. It could have. But what you're showing me doesn't say that. Q We're going to get there. We're going to take a look at these. So this one comes out November 2nd. And I see that your name is on the second page. Bradley J. Edwards as a lawyer at Rothstein, Rosenfeldt & Adler. You see that? MR. SCAROLA: Help me. MR. LINK: About maybe 10 down from the column. THE WITNESS: It's on the fourth page. BY MR. LINK: Q Fourth page, there's a list of -- A Yeah, I was a lawyer at RRA, so yes it lists looks like it lists every lawyer at RRA. There's a list that goes on for two pages, so yes. Q So in this article -- A My name is there. Q -- your name is there. MR. SCAROLA: Excuse me. Palm Beach Reporting Service, Inc. EFTA00800605
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99 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MR. LINK: Yes sir. MR. SCAROLA: You are referencing that as being part of this article. It, in fact, appears to be a blog-posted comment to the article, as opposed to part of the article itself. MR. LINK: I will take that representation. MR. SCAROLA: Somebody in response to the article posted a list of the lawyers in the firm. Fair? MR. LINK: Fair. Fair enough. BY MR. LINK: Q This is the first time -- Mr. Edwards -- MR. SCAROLA: Can we also agree that whoever posted this isn't even identified? MR. LINK: We can agree it is what it is. Whatever it says, it says. THE WITNESS: It says unregistered guest. MR. SCAROLA: Unregistered guest. Whoever that is. MR. LINK: Whoever that is. Okay. BY MR. LINK: Q Mr. Edwards, I'm not sure I got an answer. Palm Beach Reporting Service, Inc. EFTA00800606
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100 1 2 3 4 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 And if I did, I apologize. I didn't meant to ask it again. But in looking at Plaintiff's Exhibit 2, is this the first time that you have -- that you knew that your name was listed by somebody related to that article? A I don't know. I don't know one way or the other. Q Now, let's take a look at Exhibit 3. (Plaintiff's Exhibit Number 3 was marked for identification.) BY MR. LINK: Q This is a November 6 article. And the headline is "Scott Rothstein: The Jeffrey Epstein and Bill Clinton ploy." Do you see that? A Yes. Q Did you see this article when it came out November 6, 2009? A I don't remember. Like you said, there were a lot of articles. I don't know which ones I saw, which ones I didn't. Q Do you see that on the second page it talks about the Ponzi imploding? In the upper top, page two. A Yeah, I know. It's the end of a sentence. I am just reading the beginning. Yes. Palm Beach Reporting Service, Inc. EFTA00800607