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should have your lawyer, yeah. 
16 
THE WITNESS: Yeah, I have a lawyer. 
17 
BY MR. LUTTIER: 
18 
Q. Who is our lawyer? 
19 
A. 
(phonetic). 
20 
Q. Okay. When you say he's not charging me, 
21 
he didn't go get an injunction against --
22 
A No. 
23 
Q -- domestic violence against you? 
24 
A. No. 
25 
Q. While we're speaking about injunctions 
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against domestic violence, let me get you something. 
2 
A. I mean, what is that? I don't know. 
3 
MR. MERMELSTEIN: Let him follow up and 
4 
ask a question. 
5 
MR. LUTTIER: Is this Exhibit 3? 
6 
THE COURT REPORTER: Yes. 
7 
MR. LUTTIER: Let me just --
8 
(Defendant's Exhibit No. 3 was marked for 
9 
identification.) 
10 
BY MR. LUTTIER: 
11 
Q. Let me show you what has been marked as 
12 
Exhibit 3 which purports to be a Petition for 
13 
Injunction for a Protection Against Dating Violence. 
14 
And referring to the first page, it says, I, full 
15 
name, Jane Doe No. 4, do you see the first page? 
16 
A. Yeah. 
17 
Q. All right. Is this, is this handwriting 
18 
on here yours? 
19 
A. Yeah. 
20 
Q. Let's go to the second page. Is this your 
21 
handwriting? 
22 
A. Yeah. 
23 
Q. Third page your handwriting? 
24 
A. Yeah. 
25 
Q. Fourth page? 
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A. Yeah. 
2 
Q. Fifth page? 
3 
A. Yeah. 
4 
Q. Okay. So did you complete this whole 
5 
form? 
6 
A. Yeah. 
7 
Q. And was it true and correct when you 
8 
completed it? 
9 
A. Yeah. 
10 
Q. Those were the representations you were 
11 
making to The Court, right? 
12 
A. Yeah. 
13 
Q. And then you had a hearing? You went to 
14 
court? 
15 
A. Yeah. 
16 
Q. And
 was there at court, 
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A. I don't remember. 
18 
Q. And you got an order that for a year, that 
19 
was an injunction against domestic violence against 
20 
him, correct? 
21 
A. Yeah. 
22 
Q. So he couldn't come around you for a year; 
23 
isn't that right? 
24 
A. Yeah. 
25 
Q. Okay. Let's take a look at Page 2, 
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Section 1. It says down here in section, section 
2 
Roman Numeral III, No. 1, where it sayscSibe 
3 
the nature of your relationship. It says, 
4 
relationship began. That was
6
riting 
5 
to the court that our relationshi with 
began 
correct? 
7 
A. Yeah. 
8 
Q. And then you wrote, 
9 
relationship became intimate. That is ou were 
10 
writing to the court that on 
your 
11 
relationship with 
became intimate, 
12 
right? 
13 
A. Yeah. 
14 
Q. That's a specific date, 
15 
A. Uh-huh. 
16 
Q. Well, what did you mean when you say, 
17 
relationship became intimate? 
18 
A. I don't know. Kissing, I'm going to say. 
19 
I mean, kissing, holding hands, like, cuddling. I 
20 
don't know. 
21 
Q. Well, what you meant when you wrote this 
22 
was you were having sexual relations with him --
23 
MR. MERMELSTEIN: Objection to form, 
24 
argumentative. 
25 
THE WITNESS: I don't remember. 
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BY MR. LUTTIER: 
2 
Q. Is that true or false? 
3 
A. Yeah. 
4 
Q. Okay. So as of 
you had 
5 
sexual relations with 
correct? 
6 
A. No. I don't remember. No. 
7 
Q. Well, why did you write on here intimate? 
8 
A. Intimate --
9 
MR. MERMELSTEIN: Objection, asked and 
10 
answered. 
11 
THE WITNESS: Intimate, I mean, intimate 
12 
can mean anything, like holding hands. When 
13 
I'm intimate with somebody that means, I mean, 
14 
anybody. I mean, it's not like, it's not sex. 
15 
I don't see where it says, oh, I became -- had 
16 
started having sex with him. At that time I 
17 
was 15, so intimate meant making out in the 
18 
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BY MR. LUTTIER: 
20 
Q. Now, do you recall previously you 
21 
testified that about four or five months after you 
22 
first dated 
you began having sexual 
23 
relations with him? 
24 
A. What? Repeat that. 
25 
Q. Do you remember earlier you testified that 
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1 
about four or five months after you began dating 
2 
you had sexual relations with him? 
3 
A. Yeah, about four or five months. 
4 
Q. So that would be about the same as this 
5 
time period here from 
wouldn't 
6 
it? 
7 
A. Yeah, but, I mean, intimate, like, to me, 
8 
when I was that young, intimate, like, meant like 
9 
going to the movies and making out with your 
10 
boyfriend in the movie theater. Intimate to me back 
11 
then wasn't sexual intercourse. 
12 
Q. Okay. I just want to make sure we're 
13 
clear. I want you to tell the ladies and gentlemen 
14 
of the jury in that camera that when you filled this 
15 
form out that's been marked as Exhibit 3, and you 
16 
wrote
, relationship became intimate, 
17 
that you didn't mean sexual intercourse. Is that 
18 
right? 
19 
MR. MERMELSTEIN: Objection to form. 
20 
BY MR. LUTTIER: 
21 
Q. Tell the ladies and the gentlemen of the 
22 
jury that's not what you meant. 
23 
MR. MERMELSTEIN: Objection to the form 
24 
again. Go ahead. 
25 
THE WITNESS: Yeah, that's not what I 
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meant. 
2 
BY MR. LUTTIER: 
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20 
A. That what? 
3 
Q. Not what you meant. Now, when we ask your 
4 
mom what you meant, what's she going to say? 
5 
MR. MERMELSTEIN: Objection to form. 
That's speculative. 
THE WITNESS: I don't know. 
BY MR. LUTTIER: 
MR. MERMELSTEIN: Speculative. Objection. 
MR. LUTTIER: Can we agree --
THE WITNESS: Is that a question? 
BY MR. LUTHER: 
Q. 
MR. MERMELSTEIN: I think it was. 
BY MR. LUTHER: 
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22 
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MR. MERMELSTEIN: Objection, 
24 
argumentative. 
25 
THE WITNESS: Yeah. 
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BY MR. LUTTIER: 
2 
• 
All right. So tell me, if 
3 
wasn't when you started having sexual 
4 
relationships with him, or sexual relations, when 
5 
did you start having a sexual relationship with him? 
6 
THE WITNESS: I don't remember. 
7 
MR. MERMELSTEIN: Objection, asked and 
8 
answered. 
9 
BY MR. LUTTIER: 
10 
Q. When was the first time you gave him oral 
11 
sex? 
12 
A. I don't remember. 
13 
Q. When was the first time he stuck his penis 
14 
in you and ejaculated? 
15 
A. I don't remember. 
16 
Q. Was it a significant event --
17 
A. Was that even a question? 
18 
Q. Yeah. 
19 
A. What did you say? 
20 
Q. When --
21 
A. Can you repeat that question? 
22 
Q. When did he stick his penis in you and 
23 
ejaculate --
24 
A. I don't remember. 
25 
Q. -- in any orifice? 
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A. I don't remember. 
2 
MR. MERMELSTEIN: Objection. 
3 
BY MR. LUTTIER: 
4 
5 
6 
7 
8 
9 
10 
11 
12 
13 
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15 
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17 
18 
19 
. First it says, respondent, that 
20 
means 
right? 
21 
A. Hold on. I'm not following what page 
22 
you're on. 
Objection to form. 
MR. MERMELSTEIN: 
BY MR. LUTTIER: 
Q. Can we agree with that? 
A. Yeah. 
Q. So, you still want to stand on your answer 
to the jury that when you said, became intimate, you 
weren't referring to sexual intercourse? 
MR. MERMELSTEIN: Objection to form. 
THE WITNESS: Yeah. 
BY MR. LUTTIER: 
Q. Okay. Now, let's go to Paragraph 6, the 
next page. Can you read out loud what ou told the 
court occurred on 
at. 
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Q. Paragraph 6, Page 3. This is in your 
24 
handwriting, right? 
25 
A. (No verbal response.) 
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Q. Correct? 
2 
A. Uh-huh. 
3 
. All ri ht. It says, respondent; that's 
4 
right? 
5 
A. Uh-huh. 
6 
Q. Now, read to the ladies and entlemen of 
7 
the
 you wrote occurred on 
8 
with Mr. 
9 
A. 
10 
11 
12 
13 
14 
15 
16 
17 
18 
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20 
21 
22 
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24 
Q. And then did you continue it onto the next 
25 
page? 
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A. We were --
2 
Q. No, onto the next page. Turn onto what's 
3 
called a continuation. What else did you write? 
4 
A 
5 
6 
7 
8 
9 
10 
11 
12 
13 
14 
15 
Q. He humiliated you o 
16 
didn't he? 
17 
MR. MERMELSTEIN: Objection to form. 
18 
THE WITNESS: Humiliated me in front of --
19 
BY MR. LUTTIER: 
20 
Q. He humiliated you, didn't he? 
21 
MR. MERMELSTEIN: Objection to form again. 
22 
THE WITNESS: For what? Is that your --
23 
BY MR. LUTTIER: 
24 
Q. Do you know --
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A. Is that your opinion? 
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1 
Q. Do you know what humiliation is? 
2 
A. Is that your --
3 
Q. Yes. 
4 
A. Yeah, I do, but in, in front of who? 
5 
Q What --
6 
A Like humiliation is humiliating in front 
7 
of a crowd of people. 
8 
MR. MERMELSTEIN: Don't argue with him. 
9 
Just, just answer. 
10 
BY MR. LUTTIER: 
11 
Q. Just humiliate. To yourself, what's 
12 
humiliate mean to you? 
13 
A. Yeah, embarrassing. 
14 
Q. Is that all it means? 
15 
A. Yeah. 
16 
Q. I mean, he treated you worse than an 
17 
animal, didn't he? 
18 
MR. MERMELSTEIN: Objection to form, 
19 
argumentative. 
20 
THE WITNESS: An animal? 
21 
BY MR. LUTTIER: 
22 
Q. Would you treat a dog like this? 
23 
MR. MERMELSTEIN: Objection to form. 
24 
THE WITNESS: No. 
25 
0360 
1 
BY MR. LUTTIER: 
2 
Q. No human being ought to be treated like 
3 
this, should they? 
4 
A. No. 
5 
MR. MERMELSTEIN: Objection to form. 
6 
BY MR. LUTTIER: 
7 
Q. So, were you humiliated by his --
8 
A. Yeah. 
9 
Q. -- conduct toward you? Did it make you 
10 
feel bad? 
11 
A. Of course. 
12 
Q. Did it make you feel low? 
13 
MR. MERMELSTEIN: Objection to form. 
14 
THE WITNESS: Yeah. 
15 
BY MR. LUTTIER: 
16 
Q. Did it make you feel like you were 
17 
worthless? 
18 
MR. MERMELSTEIN: Objection to form. 
19 
THE WITNESS: Yeah. 
20 
BY MR. LUTTIER: 
21 
Q. Did it make you feel so bad that you went 
22 
and got a court order that said he couldn't come 
23 
near you for a year? 
24 
A. Yeah. 
25 
Q. Jeffrey Epstein never made you feel like 
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that, did he? 
2 
A. No, but just a lot worse. 
3 
Q. He was nice to you, wasn't he? 
4 
A. Yeah, really nice. 
5 
Q. And by the way, did you -- did you ever 
6 
touch Mr. Epstein's penis? 
7 
A. No. 
8 
Q. You had seen a man's penis before you went 
9 
to Jeffrey Epstein the first time, hadn't you? 
10 
A. Yes. 
11 
Q. Matter of fact, had you touched a man's 
12 
penis before you went to Jeffrey Epstein? 
13 
A. I don't remember. 
14 
Q. Had you placed a man's penis in your mouth 
15 
before you had gone to see Jeffrey Epstein? 
16 
A. I don't remember. 
17 
Q. Had you placed a man's penis in your 
18 
vagina before you went to Jeffrey Epstein? 
19 
A. I don't remember. 
20 
. When you made the videotape of you and 
21 
having sexual relations, what acts were 
22 
recorded on the videotape? 
23 
A. On the tape? 
24 
Q. Yeah. The tape --
25 
A. Sex. 
0362 
1 
Q. -- you made. And you made that tape, 
2 
right? 
3 
A. Yeah. 
4 
Q. 
5 
A. 
6 
7 
8 
9 
10 
I. 
11 
12 
A. 
13 
Q. 
14 
A. 
15 
Q. 
16 
A. 
17 
Q. 
18 
A. 
19 
Q. And how old were you at the time? 
20 
A. I don't remember. 
21 
Q. Sixteen? 
22 
A. I don't remember. 
23 
Q. Seventeen? 
24 
A. I don't remember. 
25 
Q. No more than 17, right? 
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A. I don't remember. 
2 
Q. But you remember whether you were older 
Q. 
A. 
Q. 
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than 17, don't you? 
4 
A. No. I don't remember. 
5 
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MR. MERMELSTEIN: 
7 
BY MR. LUTHER: 
8 
Q. Tell the ladies and gentlemen, look in the 
9 
camera and tell the ladies and gentlemen of the jury 
10 
you don't know if you were in high school when you 
11 
made this tape. 
12 
MR. MERMELSTEIN: Objection to form, 
13 
argumentative. 
14 
THE WITNESS: I was in high school when I 
15 
made this with 
16 
BY MR. LUTHER: 
17 
Q. Okay. All right. Way too young to be 
18 
doing this kind of stuff, right? 
19 
MR. MERMELSTEIN: Objection to form, 
20 
argumentative. 
21 
BY MR. LUTTIER: 
22 
Q. Right? Do you agree with me? 
23 
A. Yeah. 
24 
MR. MERMELSTEIN: Objection. 
25 
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1 
BY MR. LUTHER: 
2 
. All ri ht. 
3 
4 
A.
A. 
Q. 
A. 
I don't remember. 
I 
don't remember when, and when, I am -- like you 
already stated, I have been --
Q. Okay. Did you --
MR. MERMELSTEIN: You're okay. You're 
doing fine. 
BY MR. LUTHER: 
MR. MERMELSTEIN: Objection to form. 
THE WITNESS: I don't remember. 
BY MR. LUTHER: 
A. Yes. 
Objection to form. 
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14 
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18 
MR. MERMELSTEIN: You know, I'm going to 
19 
object to that, again Rule 412, and ask you not 
20 
to -- It's just going too far. 
21 
MR. LUTTIER: Well, this is a videotape 
22 
that she admitted she showed Mr. Epstein, so --
23 
MR. MERMELSTEIN: Yeah, but you're --
24 
MR. LUTHER: -- it's clear --
25 
MR. MERMELSTEIN: -- asking her to 
0366 
1 
describe the acts --
2 
MR. LUTTIER: Yeah. 
3 
MR. MERMELSTEIN: -- on the videotape? 
4 
MR. LUTTIER: It's clear. It's within the 
5 
gambit. We're coming back. And I mean, I am 
6 
not going to argue, but I mean you're going 
7 
to -- we're going to come for fees and costs, 
8 
because there isn't any question about whether 
9 
that's a legitimate area of inquiry. So I 
10 
would respectfully suggest you rethink your 
11 
position on that. 
12 
MR. MERMELSTEIN: You're asking her what 
13 
was on the videotape in terms of sex acts. 
14 
MR. LUTTIER: You bet. You bet. The tape 
15 
that she showed Jeffrey Epstein. And there is 
16 
no question about whether that's fair game. 
17 
MR. MERMELSTEIN: I'm going to give you a 
18 
little bit of leeway. 
19 
MR. LUTTIER: Okay, fair enough. 
20 
THE WITNESS: Of us having sex. 
21 
BY MR. LUTTIER: 
22 
Q. I want to know the specific acts. Did it 
23 
reflect oral sex? 
24 
A. Sure. 
25 
Q. Were you, did it reflect you having 
0367 
1 
penis in your mouth? 
2 
A. Yeah. 
3 
Q. Were you giving him what we would -- a 
4 
typical vernacular, that would be giving him a head 
5 
job, right? 
6 
MR. MERMELSTEIN: Come on. I mean, come 
5 
Q. 
A. Yeah 
Q. 
A. Yes. 
Q. 
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on. She just --
8 
BY MR. LUTTIER: 
9 
Q. -- in the slang? 
10 
MR. MERMELSTEIN: There is no need to go 
11 
to slang. She just told you what they --
12 
BY MR. LUTTIER: 
13 
Q. Did it -- did it show him licking your 
14 
vagina? 
15 
A. Yeah. 
16 
Q. Did, did he ejaculate in your mouth? 
17 
A. I don't remember. 
18 
Q. Did it show that on the tape? 
19 
A. I don't remember. 
20 
Q. Do you recall him ever ejaculating in your 
21 
mouth? 
22 
A. Ever? What does that have to do with the 
23 
tape? 
24 
Q. Ever. Ever. 
25 
MR. MERMELSTEIN: Okay. Ever, whether 
0368 
1 
it's on the tape or not? 
2 
MR. LUTTIER: Any time. 
3 
MR. MERMELSTEIN: Okay. Don't answer that 
4 
question. Rule 412. 
5 
BY MR. LUTTIER: 
6 
Q. Did it -- did he insert his penis in your 
7 
vagina on this tape? 
8 
A. Yeah. 
9 
Q. And what position were you in at the time? 
10 
A. I don't know. I don't remember. 
11 
Q. Do you remember being on all -- what they 
12 
call all fours? 
13 
A. Could have been on all fours. Could have 
14 
been on my back. I don't remember. 
15 
Q. And, and other than him inserting his 
16 
penis in your vagina and in your mouth, did he 
17 
insert his penis in any other orifice of yours? 
18 
A. No. 
19 
Q. And did you perform any other sex acts on 
20 
him other than giving him oral sex on this tape? 
21 
A. No. 
22 
Q. What -- is there anything else depicted on 
23 
this tape? 
24 
A. No, not that I --
25 
MR. MERMELSTEIN: Objection to form, 
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1 
overbroad. 
2 
THE WITNESS: Not that I remember, no. 
3 
BY MR. LUTHER: 
4 
5 
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7 
8 
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Q. Was there anybody else that you showed the 
10 
tape to? 
11 
A. No. 
12 
Q. Show it to any of your girlfriends? 
13 
A. No. 
14 
Q. Was there anybody else present when you 
15 
showed it --
16 
A. No. 
17 
Q. -- to Mr. Epstein? 
18 
MR. MERMELSTEIN: You got -- you got to 
19 
wait until he finishes the question. 
20 
BY MR. LUTHER: 
21 
Q. 
22 
A. No. 
23 
Q. 
24 
A. Yeah. 
25 
Q. 
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2 
3 
MR. MERMELSTEIN: Ob'ection to form. 
4 
5 
6 
7 
8 
THE WITNESS: 
MR. MERMELSTEIN: No. 
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MR. LUTTIER: Yeah. 
MR. MERMELSTEIN: 
Yeah. I think so. Yeah. 
Q. 
A. It was before eah. 
Q. 
A. 
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Q. 
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23 
Q. Okay. And was it 
idea or your 
24 
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? 
25 
A. 
idea. 
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Q. Where is that tape today? 
2 
A. I don't have it. It's mined. 
3 
Q. Who mined it? 
4 
A. I did. 
5 
Q. And when did you min it? 
6 
A. A while, I don't remember. A while ago. 
7 
Q. You didn't ruin it until after you filed 
8 
this lawsuit, did you? 
9 
MR. MERMELSTEIN: Objection to form. 
10 
THE WITNESS: No, I did. It was before. 
11 
BY MR. LUTTIER: 
12 
Q. But how do you know that? 
13 
A. Because I don't -- I just -- it was 
14 
definitely not after. I don't even know, no. 
15 
Q. Well, I don't understand. First you're 
16 
saying you don't know when you did it, now you're 
17 
saying you did it --
18 
MR. MERMELSTEIN: No, no. no. 
19 
THE WITNESS: No, I, I was -- I remember 
20 
it was before I filed my lawsuit, but I don't 
21 
remember the exact date that I mined it, but 
22 
it was before I was even in this lawsuit. 
23 
BY MR. LUTTIER: 
24 
Q. Other than the videotape you made of 
25 
having sex and other sexual acts with 
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and the photograph of you in your 
2 
underwear with this other girl when you were in high 
3 
school, have you been depicted in any other 
4 
videotapes performing sex acts? 
5 
A. No. 
6 
Q. Have you been depicted in any other 
7 
photographs in any state of undress, that is, either 
8 
topless or completely naked? 
9 
A. No. 
10 
Q. You said that at some point in time after 
11 
you went to Mr. Epstein's and you, you voluntarily 
12 
removed your under pants, correct? Remember that 
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testimony? 
14 
A. Yes. 
15 
Q. And do ou recall at what point whether 
16 
you were 
when you were 
17 
removing your pants and doing complete nude 
18 
massages to --
19 
A. No, I was, I was -- yeah. Sorry. Ask the 
20 
question. I coincompletely interrupted you. 
21 
Q. Where 
were you when you 
22 
were ivin complete nude massa es to Mr. E. stein? 
23 
A. 
24 
25 
Q. Okay. You said there came a point in 
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1 
time, something about a vibrator. 
2 
A. Yeah. 
3 
Q. What happened with the vibrator? 
4 
A. He used it on my clit. 
5 
Q. What do you mean, he used it on your clit? 
6 
A. He turned the vibrator on and would put it 
7 
by my vagina. 
8 
Q. Okay. Did you have your underwear on or 
9 
off? 
10 
A. They were -- they were off. 
11 
Q. Oka . And when did this ha en? 
12 
A. 
13 
Everything happened in 
14 
15 
MR. MERMELSTEIN: Objection, 
16 
argumentative. 
17 
THE WITNESS: Yeah, it, like I said, first 
18 
time I visit, second time I visit. It got 
19 
where, it got to the point where he would use a 
20 
vibrator on me, and then he started fingering 
21 
me, then he started using both on me, and then 
22 
he would ejaculate. I mean, after I had all my 
23 
clothes off, I mean it was -- I mean, it was 
24 
always the same thing. It was --
25 
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BY MR. LUTTIER: 
2 
Q Did he ask you to use the vibrator on you? 
3 
A. Yeah. 
4 
Q. And did you say okay? 
5 
A. Yeah. 
6 
Q. So, you did that voluntarily, too, 
7 
correct? 
8 
A. Yeah. 
9 
MR. MERMELSTEIN: Objection. 
10 
BY MR. LUTTIER: 
11 
Q. Was there ever a point in time that you 
12 
said no to the use of a vibrator? 
13 
A. No. 
14 
Q. You, you know what an orgasm is, I assume? 
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A. Yeah. 
16 
Q. Did you ever have an orgasm while you were 
17 
at Mr. Epstein's? 
18 
A. Yeah. 
19 
Q. More than once? 
20 
A. Yeah. 
21 
Q. You enjoyed those? 
22 
MR. MERMELSTEIN: Objection, 
23 
argumentative. 
24 
BY MR. LUTTIER: 
25 
Q. Did you not? 
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1 
A. Yeah. 
2 
Q. You told him you enjoyed them, didn't you? 
3 
A. I didn't tell him. It was pretty obvious. 
4 
Q. You kept coming back because you enjoyed 
5 
it, didn't you? 
6 
MR. MERMELSTEIN: Objection. 
7 
BY MR. LUTTIER: 
8 
Q. Plus you were getting paid money. 
9 
A. Yeah. 
10 
Q. All right. Did you have an orgasm when 
11 
you were at Mr. Epstein's when he used the vibrator 
12 
on you? 
13 
A. Yeah. 
14 
Q. Yeah. And how many occasions did you go 
15 
back after the first time that he used the vibrator 
16 
on you? 
17 
A. Whenever he would call me up I would go. 
18 
Q. Do you know how many times that was? 
19 
A. After that, every single time he was in 
20 
town, two to three times a week. 
21 
Q. Fro 
how 
22 
many times did you go to Mr. Epstein and he used the 
23 
vibrator on you? 
24 
MR. MERMELSTEIN: Objection. Objection to 
25 
form. 
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1 
THE WITNESS: From -9 
2 
BY MR. LUTHER: 
3 
Q. 
4 
A. I don't -- I don't know. 
5 
Q. More than once? 
6 
A. Yeah. 
7 
MR. MERMELSTEIN: Objection. 
8 
BY MR. LUTTIER: 
9 
Q. Did ou have or arms more than one time 
10 
between 
11 
A. Yeah. 
12 
MR. MERMELSTEIN: Objection to form. 
13 
BY MR. LUTHER: 
14 
Q. Now, did there come a time -- sorry. 
15 
MR. MERMELSTEIN: Focus. You know, he's 
16 
asking about specific dates, so make sure 
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you're sure of your answer. 
18 
THE WITNESS: I don't know how many times 
19 
20 
BY MR. LUTTIER: 
21 
Q. Did there come a time that you say -- huh? 
22 
A. I don't know how many times I've been 
23 
there. 
24 
MR. MERMELSTEIN: No, well, he's asking 
25 
you a very specific date, so make sure you're 
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1 
sure of your answer. 
2 
THE WITNESS: From like, 
3 
MR. MERMELSTEIN: He's now asking you 
4 
5 
MR. LUTTIER: All right. Let's not have a 
6 
speaking objection. 
7 
MR. MERMELSTEIN: --
8 
9 
MR. LUTTIER: She knows how to answer and 
10 
that's a speaking objection. 
11 
MR. MERMELSTEIN: No, she doesn't. 
12 
MR. LUTTIER: Oh, she knows, trust me. 
13 
She, she is very streetwise and knows exactly 
14 
what's being asked of her. 
15 
BY MR. LUTTIER: 
16 
Q. Was there ever a time --
17 
MR. MERMELSTEIN: Objection to that 
18 
characterization. 
19 
BY MR. LUTTIER: 
20 
Q. Was there ever a time that you told 
21 
Mr. Epstein not to use the vibrator on you? 
22 
A. No. 
23 
Q. Were there times that you asked him to use 
24 
the vibrator on you? 
25 
A. No. 
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Q. Did there come a time that Mr. Epstein 
2 
gave you a vibrator? 
3 
A. Yeah. 
4 
Q. Do you remember what kind of vibrator? 
5 
A. A Rocket Pocket. 
6 
Q. Okay. And what did you do with the Rocket 
7 
Pocket? 
8 
A. I have -- I had the Rocket Pocket in my 
9 
drawer at school. I don't know. 
10 
Q. The drawer at school? What school? 
11 
A. I have it with -- I had it with my --
12 
where I lived. 
13 
Q. Did you say you had the vibrator at your 
14 
drawer at school? 
15 
A. I had it at home and then I had it where I 
16 
lived. I, it was mine. So, with all my belongings 
17 
to my current address that I was staying at, that's 
18 
where I have it. 
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Q. When did he first give it to you? 
20 
A. I don't remember. I know I had it at my 
21 
house though when I was in high school. 
22 
Q. All right. And where did you keep it at 
23 
home? 
24 
A. In the drawer. 
25 
Q. Did your mom and dad know about it? 
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1 
A. No. 
2 
Q. Did you tell them about it? 
3 
A. No. 
4 
Q. Did you use it at home? 
5 
A. Yeah. 
6 
Q. Okay. You enjoy it? 
7 
A. Yeah. 
8 
Q. You had orgasms with it? 
9 
A. Yeah. 
10 
Q. Okay. Did you take it to college with 
1I 
you? 
12 
A. Yeah. 
13 
Q. Did you use it at college? 
14 
A. Yeah. 
15 
Q. Did you enjoy it? 
16 
A. Yeah. 
17 
Q. Have orgasms with it? 
18 
A. Yeah. 
19 
Q. Still have it today? 
20 
A. No. 
21 
Q. Do you have a different one now? 
22 
A. A different one? 
23 
Q. Yeah, a different vibrator. 
24 
A. Yeah. 
25 
Q. Still use a vibrator today? 
0381 
1 
A. Yeah. 
2 
Q. You think there's anything wrong with 
3 
using a vibrator? 
4 
A. No. 
5 
Q. Okay. You went out and bought your own, 
6 
right? 
7 
A. Yeah. 
8 
Q. Okay. All right. Then you said there was 
9 
a time, came a point in time that he put his finger 
10 
in your vagina? 
11 
A. Yeah. 
12 
Q. And when was that? 
13 
A. The next time, next visit after he used 
14 
the vibrator on me. 
15 
Q. Hov loou know that that was before you 
16 
were a 
a' 
?
17 
A. Before I was a 
18 
Q. Ri ht. 
19 
A. 
20
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22 
Q. And did he ask to put his finger in your 
23 
vagina? 
24 
A. It wasn't quite like after he -- after I 
25 
was orgasming 
orgasming me from the vibrator, he 
0382 
1 
flipped me around and I was on all fours, and he 
2 
stuck his finger in my vagina, and he didn't ask 
3 
questions. I was already orgasming, so it's not 
4 
like I told him stop. 
5 
Q. Did you say no? 
6 
A. No. 
7 
Q. Did you stop him? 
8 
A. No. 
9 
Q. Did you come back any time --
10 
A. He didn't ask me though. 
11 
Q. Did you come back any time after the first 
12 
time he put his fingers in your vagina? 
13 
A. (No verbal response.) 
14 
Q. Did you ever come back after that? 
15 
A. Yeah. 
16 
Q. Did he put his fingers in your vagina any 
17 
time after that? 
18 
A. Yeah, pretty much every time after that. 
19 
Q. Did you ever tell him not to? 
20 
A. No. 
21 
Q. You enjoyed it, didn't you? 
22 
A. Yeah. 
23 
Q. It was all part of the orgasm, wasn't it? 
24 
MR. MERMELSTEIN: Objection. 
25 
THE WITNESS: Yeah. 
0383 
1 
BY MR. LUTTIER: 
2 
Q. The reality here, the truth is that you 
3 
enjoyed going to Mr. Epstein's and having an orgasm 
4 
and getting paid $200 for giving a massage; isn't 
5 
that the truth? 
6 
MR. MERMELSTEIN: Objection to form. 
7 
THE WITNESS: Yeah. 
8 
BY MR. LUTTIER: 
9 
Q. Okay. And you weren't traumatized by any 
10 
of it, were you? 
11 
MR. MERMELSTEIN: Objection to form, calls 
12 
for a conclusion. 
13 
BY MR. LUTTIER: 
14 
Q. What damages have you suffered as a result 
15 
of going to Mr. Epstein? 
16 
A. Honestly? Everything, like, emotionally. 
17 
MR. MERMELSTEIN: Take your time. 
18 
THE WITNESS: I mean, how does it make me, 
19 
emotionally, like, with my parents, disrespect 
20 
from my parents, family, friends. It's 
21 
relationship-wise, like trusting people-wise, I 
22 
don't know. I couldn't -- a lot of things, a 
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lot of different things emotionally, like, a 
24 
lot of things. 
25 
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1 
BY MR. LUTTIER: 
2 
Q. Well, you, you kept going back to 
3 
Mr. Epstein. You never said no, I don't want to 
4 
come, did you? 
5 
A. I thought he was my friend. 
6 
MR. MERMELSTEIN: Objection, 
7 
argumentative. 
8 
BY MR. LUTTIER: 
9 
Q. You never once said to Mr. Epstein, I 
10 
don't want to come, did you? 
11 
A. No. 
12 
Q. As a matter of fact, you gave Mr. Epstein 
13 
a little feedback, didn't you? 
14 
MR. MERMELSTEIN: Take your time. 
15 
BY MR. LUTTIER: 
16 
Q. You gave him a little feedback, didn't 
17 
you? 
18 
A. What do you mean by that? 
19 
Q. You told him you liked what he was doing, 
20 
didn't you? Didn't you? 
21 
A. I don't know. I don't remember. 
22 
Q. Do you recall? 
23 
MR. LUTHER: What are we on, No. 4? 
24 
THE COURT REPORTER: Yeah. 
25 
MR. LUTTIER: Let's mark that as 4. 
0385 
1 
(Defendant's Exhibit No. 4 was marked for 
2 
identification.) 
3 
BY MR. LUTTIER: 
4 
Q. Let me show what's been marked as Exhibit 
5 
No. 4. Is that your handwriting? 
6 
A. No. Love always, Jane Doe No. 4. This 
7 
is, this, for a good time, call --
8 
Q. Yes. 
9 
s 
A. -- that's not miStot 
handwriting; 
10 
that's 
that'
handwriting. 
11 
Q. Okay. And then below that the hearts and 
12 
then it's signed Jane Doe No. 4 and 
That's 
13 
your handwriting, the hearts? 
14 
A. Yeah, the heart, the heart --
15 
Q. Right. 
16 
A. -- the heart, and then heart, Jane Doe 
17 
No. 4.
 that's me. But for a good time and 
18 
then I didn't, like, put m number there. That's 
19 
for a good time, call 
that's 
20 
handwriting. And then that's her heart and 
21 
Q. Whose number is 
22 
A. That was my number. 
23 
Q. Okay. So you were present when this note 
24 
was created? 
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A. Yeah, we both were there. 
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1 
Q. This 
2 
A. Yeah. 
3 
Q. Okay. And so you both created this note 
4 
and left it for Mr. Epstein? 
5 
A. She wrote it there, and then I signed it, 
6 
yeah. 
7 
Q. You knew what you were doing, right? 
8 
MR. MERMELSTEIN: Objection, form, 
9 
argumentative. 
10 
THE WITNESS: No. I wasn't the one that 
11 
wrote it. 
12 
BY MR. LUTTIER: 
13 
Q. You knew what you were doing when you 
14 
signed it with hearts and put your name and left it 
15 
there, didn't you? 
16 
MR. MERMELSTEIN: Objection to form. 
17 
THE WITNESS: Yeah. 
18 
BY MR. LUTTIER: 
19 
Q. Nobody made you do that, did they? 
20 
A. No. 
21 
Q. You were telling him you wanted him to 
22 
call, you were having a good time, you wanted to 
23 
come back, weren't you? 
24 
MR. MERMELSTEIN: Objection to form. 
25 
THE WITNESS: Well, he was a very, like, 
0387 
1 
sexual, like he was always joking around like 
2 
sex talk, like, I said, for example, he 
3 
would -- had me, like, go up to, like, joking 
4 
around like sexual, like, telling me how to 
5 
give head to a guy, or like always joking 
6 
around sexu• 
7 
So with 
-- he was that way with a 
8 
lot of different girls, always joking around 
9 
sexually with girls. 
10 
So whenever -- I didn't write this, I 
11 
didn't tell 
to write this. This was 
12 
intentions, and I was just joking 
13 
around and signed it. I didn't -- my 
14 
intentions weren't to write this, for a 000d 
15 
time, call Jane Doe No. 4. This is 
16 
intentions, not mine. 
17 
BY MR. LUTHER: 
18 
Q. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Let's back 
19 
up. You saw the words and you read the words when 
20 
it was handed to you to sign, didn't you? 
21 
A. Oh, she didn't tell me, sign it, I 
22 
joking --
23 
Q. Oh, you did that voluntarily? 
24 
A. Yeah. 
25 
Q. So, she handed you this piece of paper, 
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that is, 
2 
A. No, it was -- she wrote it. There was a 
3 
notepad --
4 
Q. Okay. 
5 
A. -- on, on the table. She wrote it, and 
6 
picking up -- I just picked up the pen after she 
7 
wrote something, joking around, because everybody, 
8 
like jokes around with Jeffrey Epstein, like, 
9 
sexually like that, picked it up and signed my name. 
10 
Q. Okay. Let's go through it. When did this 
11 
happen, by the way? 
12 
A. I don't remember. 
13 
Q. You were already at 
at 
14 
this time, or before that? 
15 
A. I don't remember. 
16 
Q. So your testimony is that 
wrote on 
17 
a pad at Jeffrey Epstein's house, for a good time 
18 
call, and put your number, right? 
19 
A. Yeah. 
20 
Q. And did you put her number too? 
21 
A No. 
22 
Q Is that 
her number? 
23 
A. It might have been her old number. I 
24 
don't remember. 
25 
Q. Okay. So she wrote all of that, right, 
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1 
first? 
2 
THE WITNESS: Can I have a tissue? Oh, 
3 
never mind. I have it right here. 
4 
BY MR. LUTFIER: 
5 
Q. Did she write all of the words that appear 
6 
in this notepad before you put anything on it? 
7 
A. Did she write anything before -- wait. 
8 
Ask me the question again. 
9 
Q. Did she write all the words that appear in 
10 
this notepad before you put anything on it? 
11 
A. No, she wrote, for a good time call. 
12 
Q. So when, when you originally got this 
13 
note, when you were standing there, this is down in 
14 
the kitchen of his house? 
15 
A. Yeah, I think so. I don't remember where 
16 
we were. 
17 
Q. Both of you were there for some reason? 
18 
A. Yeah. 
19 
Q. Had you both been there giving Mr. Epstein 
20 
a massage? 
21 
A. Yeah. She had gone there. 
22 
Q. But you were both there at the same time? 
23 
A. Yeah. 
24 
Q. Were you there -- were you both giving him 
25 
a massage at the same time? 
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A. No. 
2 
Q. By the way, do you know what a three-way 
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