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FBI VOL00009
EFTA00611949
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Page 41 1 And I asked him -- I asked him 2 for like 300. He gave me $500. I don't -- I couldn't 3 tell you how I got it. If anything, I think I went to 4 the house and got it. 5 Q. Was he there when you went to get the money? 6 A. No. 7 Q. Do you know was he in town or did you call him? 8 A. I don't even -- I can't remember, but I just 9 remember he did give me $500 for rent. 10 Q. Was that the only time that he gave you money 11 that wasn't connected either to a massage or to bringing 12 a girl? 13 A. I can't 14 remember now. Not off the top of my head, no. I never 15 asked him for anything because I just felt -- I'm not 16 like that, you know. I'm not a user and I'm not -- I 17 don't like that. I've never asked him for money, so -- 18 Q. What about presents, either birthday presents? 19 Any other gifts that 20 he gave you? 21 A. Yeah, he gave me a -- he had went to Brazil and 22 he came back with a whole bunch of bikinis and he told me 23 to choose one, so I chose one. 24 Q. Any other gifts, Christmastime or birthdays or 25 anything like that? J. Consor & Associates Reporting & Transcription 561.628.0905 EFTA00611989
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Page 42 1 A. No. 2 Q. Did he give any of your friends that you 3 brought gifts? 4 A. Yeah, the girl Ma He gave her 5 a bathing suit, too, from Brazil. 6 Q. We have some telephone numbers that we wanted 7 to ask you about. 8 BY AGENT la 9 Q. Just to see if you recognize these or if you 10 ever used any of these numbers that might have been old 11 telephone numbers for you at some point. I don't know 12 how many cell phones you may have had through the years. 13 See if you recognize any of those. 14 A. was my number. 15 BY MS. 16 Q. What was a number? 17 A. 18 Q. Yeah. 19 A. 20 Q. Yeah. 21 A. Oh, I never knew his. Always I just, you know, 22 called him and I never knew his number. 23 BY AGENT 24 Q. It was programmed in your phone? 25 A. Yeah. So I don't know. I just know J. Consor & Associates Reporting & Transcription 561.628.0905 EFTA00611990
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1 because that was my old number like a long time E 2 BY MS. • 3 Q. At the time that you were bringing girls over 4 to the house, were you also working a regular job? 5 A. I worked at for a little while, but 6 no, kind of retired and splurged. I didn't have any 7 bills to pay. I saved. I put money in the bank, so 8 Q. We had talked about before. Do 9 you know someone named 10 A. uh-huh. 11 Q. And who is that? 12 A. I brought her a couple times. Who is that? 13 Q. I mean, did you go to school with her or how 14 did you know her? 15 A. Oh, I had asked one of my friends. I said do 16 you have any -- It was a guy friend. I said do you have 17 any girls that are willing to give massages and I met up 18 with her. I called her. I talked to her on the phone. 19 I met up with her and she said yeah, cool. 20 Q. And you said you took her over there a couple 21 of times? 22 A. Yeah, she went over there more. She went over 23 there more than a couple times. 24 Q. But you brought her every time that she went 25 over there? J. Consor & Associates Reporting & Transcription 561.628.0905 EFTA00611991
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Page 44 1 A. That I know of. That I know of, yeah. 2 Q. Okay. Did you ever tell any of the girls that 3 they would be going over to model lingerie? 4 A. No. I told them we were going to go Jeffrey's house and it's going to be a topless massage pretty much. 6 Anything you don't want to do, you don't have to do and 7 it's $200, badda-bing, badda-boom. You make $200 in 30 8 minutes. 9 Q. Did any of the girls complain about what 10 happened after they left there? 11 A. No. You asked me that question. No, everybody 12 loved Jeffrey. 13 Q. No one called you and said, I think that you 14 should call -- I think that we should call the police? 15 A. No. 16 Q. No one told you that? 17 A. No, no, oh, my God. And who is that coming 18 from? 19 Q. We just have phone calls that seem to 20 contradict what you're telling us? 21 A. Oh, so you think that people came to me and 22 said that I'm to call the police on Jeffrey? 23 BY AGENT 24 Q. Was there anyone that thought that what Mr. 25 Epstein was doing was inappropriate and was concerned J. Consor & Associates Reporting & Transcription 561.628.0905 EFTA00611992
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Page 45 1 about that? 2 A. Every girl that I brought to Jeffrey, they said 3 they were fine with it. And like, for instance, MEM 4 -- BMW MI a lot of girls begged me to bring them 5 back. They wanted to come back for the money. And as 6 far as I know, we all had fun there. We ate all the 7 food. He gave us free bikinis. No, nothing about any 8 cops. 9 Q. I mean, was there anyone that thought what he 10 was doing may have been a little bit wrong? Not wanting 11 to report to the police, but just saying, you know, 12 that's kind of weird? 13 A. We talked about it like because we were 14 underage, but he thought that we were 18. We were like 15 hopefully that no one finds out. Hopefully, Jeffrey 16 doesn't find out our age. But other than that, not 17 calling the cops. 18 BY MS. 19 Q. Was anybody upset that he was masturbating? I 20 know that you said you told them that they would possibly 21 do the massage topless. They might have expected that. 22 Was somebody shocked -- 23 A. Yeah, of course. I mean, he always told them, 24 okay, and I told them, too. I said if you're going to go 25 there, then you don't have to do anything that you're not J. Consor & Associates Reporting & Transcription 561.628.0905 EFTA00611993
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Page 46 1 comfortable with. A couple girls when they did come out 2 of there, they're like oh, my God, I wasn't expecting all 3 of that, but he always asked them and I asked them. 4 They'd say that, you know, he asked me are you 5 comfortable with this and they'd say yes. Maybe they 6 were scared, who knows. But yeah, they came out of there 7 like oh, my God, that was kind of weird, you know, yeah. 8 Q. Were any of them upset about it? 9 A. Do they like regret it or something? 10 BY AGENT 11 Q. Just shaken up, you know, just kind of shocked? 12 A. A couple of girls -- well, see, we were so 13 young and Jeffrey didn't know that. Like the whole thing 14 was shooken up when I brought them there. And see, I 15 don't know. I thought that they were, you know, most of 16 the girls that I did bring there, they were 18, 19, 20. 17 But I remember there was a couple times that I had 18 brought like maybe 16 year olds or something 19 And they -- I don't know. It's like they were scared to 20 say that they were 18. They were like what if he finds 21 out? And they were' a little shook up about that, the age 22 thing. But and afterwards like if he climaxed or 23 whatever, if they were like shooken up, I'm like it's 24 okay, you know. And they were like oh, I wasn't 25 expecting that, but they told Jeffrey that, you know, J. Consor & Associates Reporting & Transcription 561.628.0905 EFTA00611994
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Page 47 1 they were comfortable with it. If anything, you know, 2 maybe they were scared and they felt like obligated, like 3 they didn't want to say. I was thinking that they didn't 4 want to say like no, you know, I don't want to do that, 5 so who knows. I wasn't up there with them, so I couldn't 6 tell you. 7 BY AGENT Min 8 Q. Who were the ladies who mentioned that to you 9 who were kind of shocked? 10 A. Usually, the girls that I would bring like one 11 time and I wouldn't even see them again. 12 Q. Can you help me out with some names, though? 13 A. Huh-uh, no. I can't remember her name. She's 14 on the top of my -- oh, my God, I don't remember. I 15 can't remember. 16 BY MS. 17 Q. None of the girls wanted to go to the 18 authorities? Nobody was that upset that called you or 19 spoke to you that was upset with what had happened to the 20 point that they wanted to report it? 21 A. No, no. If anything, thank you, , so much 22 because I really could use the money. 23 BY AGENT -: 24 Q. Do you know the names of some of the girls that 25 you brought? J. Consor & Associates Reporting & Transcription 561.628.0905 EFTA00611995
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Page 48 1 . A. Huh? 2 Q. Do you know the name of some of the girls you 3 brought other than the ones that we've talked about right 4 now? 5 A. Like I said, I can't remember because usually 6 there -- 7 Q. There's about 30 of them, so you've got to 8 know -- 9 A. No, I don't know because there were girls that 10 I didn't even know so, you know, I just asked them. I 11 said, Hey, would you like to make some money? Here's my 12 number. Do you want to make money? Here's my number, 13 you know, and that's how it went. So I don't remember 14 the names and I really didn't care to know their names, 15 anyway. 16 Q. Do you know their phone numbers? 17 A. Now? 18 Q. Yeah. 19 A. No. 20 Q. Do you know any of their phone numbers? 21 A. No, no, no. That was years ago. 22 Q. We're just trying to find any other ladies out 23 there that we haven't already seen and you brought 30 of 24 them and we're just trying to 25 A. I don't know if I brought 30 of them. 3. Consor & Associates Reporting & Transcription 561.628.0905 EFTA00611996
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Page 49 1 Q. Approximate? 2 A. Yeah. No, I have no clue, no idea. 3 BY MS. =MA: 4 Q. Did you stay in touch with any of the girls 5 that you brought? 6 A. Huh-uh. 7 Q. any of the girls that we've 8 talked about? Did you ever when you were either bringing 9 girls or when you were giving massages, did you ever 10 drink anything or take any drugs, whether it was 11 prescription drugs? 12 A. I heard this on the news, no. It's ridiculous. 13 Q. You never took any drugs? 14 A. Never. 15 Q. Did any of the girls take drugs? Did you know 16 that they were talking drugs? 17 A. There was no alcohol. There was no drugs, no. 18 Q. None of the girls that you brought were using 19 drugs? 20 A. No. 21 Q. And just so you know, we're not talking 22 about necessarily crack cocaine. We're wondering if 23 anybody was taking any prescription medication? 24 A. I don't know if they were taking prescription 25 medication. That's their problem. I don't know. 3. Consor & Associates Reporting & Transcription 561.628.0905 EFTA00611997
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Page 50 1 Q. And you didn't give anybody else any 2 prescription drugs? 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 A. No, no. but no. (Start of Tape 2.) MR. IMES Okay, gang, back on the record. And I assume you mean prescription medication not for prescription purposes? THE WITNESS: I thought you meant like for prescription, prescribed. No, I don't know. 10 AGENT Okay. 11 BY MS. 12 Q. But you weren't taking any anti-depressants or 13 pills or anything? 14 A. But I mostly went 15 there sober. I was comfortable with Jeffrey. Jeffrey 16 always made me feel so comfortable. I thought I was a 17 big girl. I was 18. 18 Q. You said that you stopped. Why did you stop 19 going over there? 20 21 A. Yeah. 22 Q. What happened? 23 A. Everything changed in my life, everything. I 24 ended up getting a job and I just stopped. I just 25 stopped. I don't know. J. Consor & Associates Reporting & Transcription 561.628.0905 EFTA00611998
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Page 51 1 Q. But if you felt so comfortable, why did you 2 stop going over there? 3 A. I just stopped because 4 didn't feel like it was right. First off, I was a 5 6 7 8 I didn't care for anything else. I 9 didn't care to tell friends. I dropped all my friends. 10 Like he asked me do I have any numbers, no, you know. If 11 anybody does call me, that's my mother. Like it was just 12 me and it's been like that ever since. 13 BY AGENT 14 15 16 17 Q. Yes, it's full-time. 18 A. Awesome, I love it. I love it. 19 Q. 20 A. 21 BY MS. 22 Q. Is that when you started working with the 23 company you're working for now? 24 A. Well, I was -- 25 3. Consor & Associates Reporting & Transcription 561.628.0905 EFTA00611999
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Page 52 1 2 3 4 Q. No, I just didn't know where you were working. 5 I thought you said you had gotten a job afterwards, after 6 the baby was born? 7 A. Yeah, I worked at the laundromat for a couple 8 of days. I just like to 9 That's all I did and I was like a hermit crab in the 10 house, you know. And if anybody -- I told -- I told 11 I said, you know, 12 My old man was 13 taking care of me. I didn't care about money. 14 Everything was good, so a new life. 15 BY AGENT 16 Q. Speaking of work, when you set up appointments 17 with , did she refer to what the girls were doing as 18 work, like would they go over to Jeffrey's to work for 19 massage or 20 A. No. 21 Q. -- how did she were any terms used or just 22 in general? Did she ask you if you had any girls that 23 can work or did you have any girls that can come over? 24 Do you have any girls that can give a Jeffrey a massage? 25 How did she ask for these appointments? J. Consor & Associates Reporting & Transcription 561.628.0905 EFTA00612000
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Page 53 1 A. All of the above: Do you have any girls that 2 would like to come over? Do you have any girls that 3 would like to work? Yeah, all of the above, really. I 4 mean, me and were really -- it's like a friend 5 relationship. She's fun. No, it wasn't like a specific 6 like hey, you know, do you want to come over and work, 7 no. It was all different: massage, work, whatever. 8 Q. Okay. 9 BY MS. 10 Q. You said that you and had developed a 11 friendly relationship. Did ever tell you what types 12 of girls Jeffrey wanted or I think you said that 13 sometimes she would say he likes this girl or I'm sorry, 14 he likes this girl? 15 A. Yeah. 16 Q. What exactly -- what guidance did she give you 17 about recruiting the girls? 18 A. She didn't give me guidance. Jeffrey from the 19 get-go, I really like women like you. So when I would go 20 searching to make money or whatever or my girlfriends, I 21 know what an attractive person looks like and I would -- 22 I would bring them, you know. I didn't bring any 23 overweight people. I just knew what Jeffrey liked, you 24 know. 25 Q. Did you ever talk to massages when you J. Consor & Associates Reporting & Transcription 561.628.0905 EFTA00612001
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Page 54 1 gave them, what you did, what you would do? 2 A. Huh-uh. I didn't know if she knew or not. 3 Q. I have a picture of someone and I'm just 4 wondering if you recognize this person? 5 A. No. Was she a girl that was over there? 6 Q. Just a face that we wanted to 7 A. Okay. No, I don't know. 8 BY AGENT 9 Q. When you would ask the ladies if they'd like to 10 go over to see Jeffrey, what was the percentage? How 11 many people would say sure, that sounds good. Let's go 12 do it. And how many would just say, no, I'm not 13 interested. I mean, do you have -- how often when you 14 would ask the girls -- 15 A. It was usually girls that I brought, the girls 16 that I had brought like first five girls, say, I would 17 say, Listen, you know, recruit your girlfriends and it 18 would go down the line. Recruit your girlfriends and I 19 will pay you guys. So if I was off the wall, say I was, 20 you know, at a club or something and I was like hey, 21 girl, do you want to -- they'd be like you're crazy, you 22 know. 23 Q. That's what I wondered, when you approached 24 them what was the reaction? 25 A. But when I talked to them over the phone, if it Y16.1EaabaSaa.p.a..µ11“..”(44•46...,Yal......Y4AW.414lar alr.•144“....Nabge440•14.1•144.m..4•12.111.)0.414$V.••••OlaOt arklait.r....n.04••• 3. Consor & Associates Reporting & Transcription 561.628.0905 EFTA00612002
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Page 55 1 was one of my girlfriends' friends or one of their 2 friends, I would tell them exactly and they'd be like 3 okay, you know. And some girls weren't comfortable with 4 it. You know, how your morals are or whatever, if you're 5 comfortable with your body, if you're comfortable with 6 giving an old man a massage for $200. 7 Q. For 30 minutes. 8 A. You know, everybody is a different person. 9 Q. Sure. 10 A. But most of the girls were -- they were like 11 yeah, sure, yeah. 12 BY MS. 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 Q. Right. 23 A. You know, it wasn't if you didn't get out -- it 24 wasn't really a big thing to me at all. 25 Q. I guess I'm just wondering, you know, kind of J. Consor & Associates Reporting & Transcription 561.628.0905 EFTA00612003
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Page 56 1 the way that this all came out was finally a parent found 2 out about it -- 3 A. Yeah, I heard. 4 Q. -- and went ballistic. How did you keep these 5 girls' parents from finding out? 6 A. I don't know, probably embarrassing. They 7 obviously liked Jeffrey that much that they didn't tell 8 anyone. 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 I need to have a house, a car, and I set out all 24 my goals and that's what happened. But then I ended up 25 getting my GED and I have a life. 3. Consor & Assodates Reporting & Transcription 561.628.0905 EFTA00612004
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Page 57 1 BY AGENT 2 Q. Were there ever any girls that came to you 3 wanting to work over there that said hey, I'd like to go 4 work over there and make $200 bucks? Did you have any of 5 that? 6 A. Uh-huh. 7 Q. Do you remember any of their names or were they 8 classmates or 9 A. It wasn't --It wasn't involved in the school so 10 much. It was just that girl in the school. 11 Q. Okay. So she was really the only like 12 school-related 13 A. Like person from school, yeah. 14 Q. Okay. 15 A. But it was mostly out of school. So I wasn't 16 really hanging out with the best crowd. And all the 17 people that I did hang out with, they were dropouts. So 18 it wasn't anything in school. It was mostly like the 19 neighborhood people or my friend, one of my guy friends' 20 girlfriend or whatever, you know. We were all young and 21 stupid, but -- 22 BY MS. 23 Q. Anything else? Do you have any questions for 24 any of us, for me or -- 25 . A. No, but I hope -- I hope Jeffrey, nothing 7771 I C••••Wn.k.P•AM, ••tn*vkl,}ev.",-.Weve., 3. Consor & Associates Reporting & Transcription 561.628.0905 EFTA00612005
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Page 58 1 happens to Jeffrey because he's an awesome man and it 2 would really be a shame. It's a shame that he has to go 3 through this because he's an awesome guy and he didn't do 4 nothing wrong, nothing. 5 Q. Are you in love with him at all? 6 A. My God, no. I love him as a friend. I love 7 him as a friend. He has done so much for me. No, I'm 8 not in love with him. I tell Jeffrey, do you want to 9 marry me with all of the money that you have. 10 AGENT : All right. At this time, 11 we're going to conclude the interview. It is 5:34 12 by my watch. 13 MR. : The only thing we'll correct is 14 that there might have been a reference to an old guy 15 at 50 and we'll just say a more mature individual 16 who may be in his 50s. Thank you. 17 (End of the tape.) 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 J. Consor & Associates Reporting & Transcription 561.628.0905 EFTA00612006
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Page 59 1 CERTIFICATE 2 3 - - - 4 The State of Florida, ) 5 6 County of Palm Beach. ) 7 8 9 10 I, Vicki S. Woodham, Notary Public, do hereby 11 certify that I was authorized to and did listen to and 12 stenographically transcribe the foregoing tape-recorded 13 proceedings and that the transcript is a true record to 14 the best of my ability. 15 16 Dated this 26th day of April, 2007. 17 18 19 20 21 22 Vicki S. Woodham 23 My Commission Expires: 24 December 08, 2010 25 Commission No.: DD617559 J. Consor & Associates Reporting & Transcription 561.628.0905 EFTA00612007
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