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BY MS. RTIAFONIA: 
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Q. 
Did Jeffrey ask you about boyfriends? I mean, 
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was he curious about --
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A. 
Yeah, we always talked about everything, yeah. 
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Do you have a boyfriend, yeah, no. you know, we talked 
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like -friends. I don't know. Just about our lite 
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stories, You know, he probably knows my whole life 
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story. 
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Hy AGENT RICHARDS: 
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Q. 
Now do you still have contact with him or 
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who? 
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Jeffrey. 
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No, no one's allowing me. 
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DV MS. AltAFONIA: 
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Did he know that you wanted to be a model or 
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that's what you were aspiring to be? 
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A. 
Yes, I told him. Yes. I've always wanted to be 
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a model, yes. 
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Q. 
nid he ever say IIII help you? 
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oh-huh, yeah. And I was -- like I said, I was 
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16 at the time and X felt -- like he said, you know. You 
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can - • I will definitely take you and bring you to New 
York and everything because he had models there, but 
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always turned it down because I was 16 and I didn't want 
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that to get our. 
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Q. 
What did you say to him? now did you put him 
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off? 
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A. 
I don't know. Oh, well. 7 don't know. No, he 
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wasn't like begging me or anything, me asked me a couple 
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times and 1 said -- 1 just -- there was like no say about 
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it. I just -- I didn't yo. And it wasn't like he asked 
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me all the time. Me just it's a couple times he asked. 
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me said i'll briny you to New York or whatever we do and 
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we can, you know, try to fulfill your dreams, but 
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always said no because. I was young and I didn't want to 
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screw up the 18 thine. 
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Did -- when you got pregnant, did he react in 
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any way? 7 mean, did he tell you if you want to be a 
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model, you know, this is going to mess with your chances 
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as a model or otter any --
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NO. 
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I'm wondering like how much was he giving you 
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advice? now much stuff were you really -- what did you 
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talk about? 
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After the baby, we didn't really even talk. 'I 
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YOu know. 1 was a bad 
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changed. A couple times after I had the baby, 1 brought 
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a couple girls there. It was like two times. And then 
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me and Jeffrey really stopped talking. we just stopped 
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talking. I had my own life and he had his. so 1 don't 
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know. 
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BY AGENT RICHARDS: 
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uid hr ever make any arrangements knowing that 
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you wanted to be a model or were modeling? Ne has a lot 
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of connections with photographers and stuff. I mean. did 
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he ever Set up any photo shoots or anything like that? 
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NO. No. because he asked me if I would like to 
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go to pursue what I wanted to do, but like 1 said, for 
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the second time --
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Q. 
1 mean in town here, not to travel to New York 
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for a shoot or anything? 
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A. 
NO. No, because t always like stood back from 
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that because i didn't want him to know that T was 16. 
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BY MS. BItAFONIA: 
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Did you ever get money from )effrey when you 
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didn't either give a massage or bring a girl over? 
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YeS. 
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Okay. When did that happen? 
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I had to pay rent and I was late on my rent. 
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Thic was before the baby. An I asked him -- I asked him 
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for like 300. He gave me 5500. 
t don't -- I couldn't 
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tell you how I got it. if anything. I think I went to 
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the house and got it. 
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O. 
was he there 
you went to gel the money? 
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A. 
NO. 
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O. 
Oo you know was he in town or did you call him? 
A. 
I don't even -. I can't remember, but I just 
remember he did give me 1.500 for rent. 
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Q. 
was that the only time that he gave you money 
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that wasn't connected either to a massage or to bringing 
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a girl? 
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NO bought gifts for the baby shower. 
r can't
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remember now. NOt off the top of my head, no. t never 
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asked him for anything because I just felt -- III not 
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like that, you know. I'm not a user and I'm not -- I 
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don't like that. I've never asked him for money, so --
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Q. 
what about presents, either birthday presents? 
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you mentioned gifts tor the baby. Any other gifts that 
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he gave you? 
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A. 
Yeah, he gave me a -- he had went to Brazil and 
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he came back with a whole hunch of bikinis and he told me 
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to choose one. so T chose one. 
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Any other gifts. Christmastime or birthdays or 
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NO. 
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old he give any of your friends that you 
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brought gifts? 
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Yeah, the girl who died, B-. 
He gave her 
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a bathing suit, too, from Brasil . 
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Q. 
We have some telephone numbers that we wanted 
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to ask you about. 
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BY AGENT RICHARDS: 
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Just to see if you recognize these or if you 
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ever used any of these numbers that might have been old 
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telephone numbers for you at some point. T don't know 
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how many cell phones you may have had through the years. 
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See if you recognize any of 'hose. 
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was my number. 
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BY MS. BILAF0NIA: 
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what was AIIIII.g number? 
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A. 
s? 
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Q. 
Yeah. 
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A. 
what. my baby's father? 
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Yeah. 
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A. 
oh, I never knew his. always I just, you know, 
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called him and I never knew his number. 
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BY AGENT RICHARDS: 
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It was programmed in your phone? 
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veah. Su i don't know. T just know 
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be(auso that was my old number like a long time ago. 
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NY MS. BILAFONIA: 
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At the time that you wore bringing girls over 
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to the house, were you also working a regular job? 
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A. 
T worked at City Pizza for a little while, hut 
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no. kind of retired and splurged. I didn't have any 
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hills to pay. I saved. 1 put money in the hank. so --
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we had talked about C 
will betore. Do 
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you know someone named C 
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A. C' I 
uh huh. 
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Q. 
And who is that? 
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A. 
I brought her a couple times. who is that? 
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Q. 
T. mean, did you go to school with her or how 
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did you know her? 
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oh, I had asked one of my friends. 1 said do 
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you have any -- It was a guy friend. I said do you have 
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any girls that are willing to give massages and I met up 
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with her. I called her. I talked to her on the phone. 
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1 met up with her and she said yeah. cool. 
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Q. 
And you said you took her over there A couple 
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of times? 
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Yeah, she went over there more. she went over 
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there more than a couple times. 
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Rut you brought her every time that she went 
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That I know of. That t know or, yeah. 
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okay. Did you ever tell any of the girls that 
they would be going over to model lingerie? 
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No. 
T told them we were going to go Jeffrey's 
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house and it's going to be a topless massage pretty much. 
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Anything you don't want to do, you don't have to do and 
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it's S200, badda-bing, badda-boom. You make $200 in 30 
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minutes. 
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Q. 
Old any of the girls complain about what 
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happened after they left there? 
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A. 
NO. You asked me that question. No, everybody 
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loved Jeffrey. 
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q. 
No one called you and said, I think that you 
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should call -- I think that we should call the police? 
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No. 
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O. 
No one told you that? 
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A. 
No. no, oh, my Cod. And who is that coming 
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trom7 
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O. 
We just have phone calls that seem to 
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contradict what you're telling us? 
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A. 
Oh, so you think that people came to me and 
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said that I'm to call the police on Jeffrey? 
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BY AGENT RTCHARDS: 
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Was there anyone that thought that what Mr. 
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Lpstein was doing was inappropriate and was concerned 
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about that? 
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Every girl that T brought to Jeffrey. they said 
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they were fine with it. And like. for instance. c 
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c 
4III, a lot of girls begged me In bring them 
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back. They wanted to come back for the money. And as 
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far as I know, we all had fun there. we ate al l the 
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food. He gave us free bikinis. NO, nothing about any 
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cops. 
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O. 
I mean, was there anyone that thought what he 
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was doing may have been a little bit wrong? Not wanting 
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to report to the police, but just saying. you know. 
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that's kind of weird? 
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we talked about it like because we were 
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underage, but he thought that we were 18. we were like 
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hopeful ly that no one finds out. Hopefully, Jeffrey 
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doesn't find out our age. Rut other than that. not 
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calling the cops. 
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tlY MS. tittAfottIA: 
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was anybody upset that he was masturbating? I 
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know that you said you told them that they would possibly 
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do the massage topless. They might have expected that. 
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was somebody shocked --
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yeah. of course. I mean, he always told them, 
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okay. and I told them. too. I said if you're going to go 
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comfortable with. A couple girls when they did come out 
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of there, they're l ike oh, my God. I wasn't expecting all 
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of that, but he always asked them and I asked them. 
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they'd say that, you know, he asked me are you 
comfortable with this and 
say yes. Maybe they 
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were scared, who know:. But yeah, they came out of there 
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like oh, my trod. that was kind of weird, you know, yeah. 
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Q. 
were any of them upset about it? 
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A. 
On they like regret it or something? 
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lust shaken up, you know, just kind of shocked? 
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A. 
A couple of girls -- well, see, we were So 
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young and Ieffrey didn't know that. Like the whole rhinq 
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was shooken up when t brought them there. And see. 1 
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don't know 
thought that they were, you know, mast of 
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the girls that 1 did firing there, they were 18. 19, 20. 
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But I remember there was a couple times that I had 
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brought like maybe 16 year olds or something, my age. 
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And they -- 1 dun's know. It's like they were scared to 
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say that they were 18. They were like what if he finds 
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out? And they were a little shook up about. that, the age 
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thing. But and afterwards like if he climaxed or 
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whatever• if they were like shooken up, III like it's 
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they were comfortable with it. tf anything, you know. 
maybe they were scared and they felt like obligated, like 
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they didn't want ro say. T was thinking that they didn't 
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want to say like no, you know, 1 don't want to do that, 
so who know:. I wasn't up there with them, so I couldn' t 
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tell you. 
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CV AGENT RTOIAROS: 
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who were the ladies who mentioned that to you 
who were kind of shocked? 
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usually. the girls that I would bring l ike one 
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rime and I wouldn't even see them again. 
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Q. 
Can you help me out with some names, though? 
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Huh-uh. no. i can't remember her name. She't, 
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on the cop or my 
oh, my cod. 1 don't remember. I 
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can't remember. 
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BY MS. RT/ArONIA' 
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None of the girls wanted to go to the 
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authorities? Nobody was that uW.el that called you or 
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spoke to you that was upset wi th what had happened to the 
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point that they wanted ro report it? 
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No, no. If anything. thank you. TS 
so much 
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uuh? 
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Do you know the name of some of the girls you 
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brought other than the ones that we've talked about right 
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now? 
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like I said. I can't remember because usually 
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there --
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Q. 
There's about 30 of them, co you've got to 
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know --
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No, I don't know because there were girls that 
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I didn't IIII know so, you know. T just asked them. 
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said, Hey, would you like to make some money? Here's my 
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number. Do you want to III! money? Here's my number, 
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you know, and that's how it went. 50 I don't remember 
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the names and t real ly didn't' tare in know their names. 
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anyway. 
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Q. 
Do you know their phone numbers? 
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Now? 
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Yeah. 
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No. 
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Do you know any of their phone numbers? 
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No, no, no. that was years ago. 
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we're just trying to find any other ladies out 
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there that we haven't already seen and you brought 30 of 
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I don't know if t brought 30 of them. 
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Approximate? 
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yeah. No. I have nn clue, no idea. 
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Did you stay in touch with any of the girls 
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that you brought? 
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Huh-uh. 
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Q. 
al. 
any of the girls that we've 
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talked about? Did you ever when you were either bringing 
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girls or when you were giving massages. did you ever 
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drink anything or take any drugs, whether it was 
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prescription drugs? 
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A. 
I heard this on the news, no. It's ridiculous. 
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Q. 
You never took any drugs? 
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Never. 
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Did any of the girls take drugs? Did you know 
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that they were talking drugs? 
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There was no alcohol. there was no drugs, no. 
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None of the girls that you brought were using 
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And just so you know, Ta. we're not talking 
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about necessarily crack cocaine. we're wondering if 
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anybody was taking any prescription mediration? 
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I don't know if they were taking prescription 
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medication. That's their problem. I don't know. 
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And you didn't give anybody else any 
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prescription drugs? 
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Nu, no. when I was 16, t smoked pot, hut no. 
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(Start of Tape 2.) 
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MK. EISENBERG: okay. gang, back on the record. 
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And L assume you mean prescription medication not 
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for prescription purposes? 
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THE WITNESS: I thought you meant like for 
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prescription. prescribed. No, I don't know. 
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But you weren't taking any anti-depressantt. or 
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No, no, I just smoked pot. Hut I mostly lilt 
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there sober. t was comfortable with Jeffrey. Jeffrey 
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going over there? Thu said !!!, n baby and you 
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changed? 
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Yeah. 
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Q. 
What happened? 
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rverything changed in my life, everything. 
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ended up getting a job and I just stopped. I just 
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stopped. I don't know. 
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Rut if you felt so comfortable, why did you 
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stop going over there? 
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A. 
7 just stopped because I have a son now and 7 
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didn't feel like it was right. First off, I was a 
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stay-at-home mommy, okay. And what am I going to do, 
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bring my son over there to Jeffrey's, no. you know. So I 
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focused on my son. I had a beautiful baby boy that was 
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my pride and joy. I didn't care for anything else. 
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didn't care to tell friends. I dropped all my friends. 
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Like he asked me do 7 have any numbers, no, you know. 7f 
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anybody does call me. that's my mother. Like it was just 
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me and my baby boy and it's been like that ever since. 
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Having a baby is a life-changing expericnce. 
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isn't it? 
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Having a baby? 
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Awesome, I love it. I love it. 
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yeah, he'll be two in August. 
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mine will he two in June. 
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Is that when you started working with the 
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company you're working for now? 
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Well. I was -- the whole time I was pregnant. I 
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was taken can of by my baby's father. Then I was a 
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stay at-home mommy for eight months. After that, I 
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worked at LA fitness, Romeo Pizza. It's been a year now. 
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And what do you mean, is that why I'm working? 
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O. 
No. t. just didn't know where you were working. 
I thought you said you had gotten a job afterwards, after 
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the baby waS born? 
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veah, I worked at the laundromat for a couple 
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of days. I just like to -- I wanted to soak in my son. 
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That's all t did and I was like a hermit crab in the 
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house, you know. And if anybody -- I told -- 1 told 
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Sara. 7 said. you know, I have a baby now and you know, 
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speaking of work, w en you set up appointments 
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NO. 
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-- how did she -- were any terms used nr just 
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all of the above: lx) you have any girls that 
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would like to come over? uo you have any girls that 
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would like to work? Yeah, all of the above, really. 
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mean, me and Sara were really -- it's like a friend 
relationship. she's fun. No. it wasn't like a specific 
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like hey, you know, du you want to come over and work, 
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no. It was all different: massage, work, whatever. 
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Okay. 
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you said that you and Sara had developed a 
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Yeah. 
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what exactly -- what guidance did she give you 
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about recruiting the girls? 
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She didn't give me 'I'll'''. Jeffrey from the 
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get-go, I really like women like you. SO when I would go 
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searching to make money or whatever or my girlfriends, 1 
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know what an attractive person looks like and I would --
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gave them, what you did, what you would do? 
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muh-uh. I didn't know it she knew or not. 
Q. 
T have a picture of someone and I'm just 
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wondering if you recognize this person? 
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NO. Was she a girl that was over there? 
Q. 
Just a face that we wanted to 
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Okay. No. I don't know. 
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when you would ask the ladies if 
like to 
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go over to see Jeffrey, what was the percentage? How 
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many people would say sure. that sounds good. let'S go 
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do it. And how many would just say, no, I'm not 
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Tr was usually girls thai t brought, the girls 
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say. Listen, you know, recruit your girlfriends and it 
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would go down the line. Recruit your girlfriends and 
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will pay you guys. So if t was off the wall, say I was, 
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you know, at a club or something and .L was like hey. 
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girl, do you want to -- 
be like you're crazy, you 
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it. YOU know, how your murals are or whatever, if you're 
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comfortable with your body, if you're comfortable with 
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giving an old man a massage for 5200. 
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For 30 minutes. 
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Did you ever say anything about, you know, be 
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careful who you talk to about this or 1 guess III 
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wondering why, you know, were rumors going around at 
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school or how did everything keep under wraps? 
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Everybody knew. 
i don't know. Everybody made 
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jokes about it. like it was not in school. It was more 
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like in my neighborhood. They would call me meidi Heish 
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and everybody just made jokes about it. I don't know. 
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it wasn't -- but I didn't care. 
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Right. 
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You know, it wasn't if you didn't get nut 
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wasn't really a big thing to me at all. 
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Q. 
I guess III just wondering, you know• kind of 
SG 
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the way that this all came out was finally a parent tound 
out about it --
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A. 
Yeah, I heard. 
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Q. 
-- and went ballistic. mow did you keep these 
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girls. parents from finding out? 
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I don't know, prohably embarrassing. They 
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obviously liked 3effrey that much that they didn't tell 
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anyone. 
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cal l you Heidi Fleish at schoo . 
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No. no, no, I was out of school by then. No. 
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why did you drop out of school? 
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well, actually, -- why? 
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Q. 
I'm Sorry. I interrupted you. 
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Because -- no, you didn't. well, my mother had 
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took me me put. of school to home-school me. And then 
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had went bark to a school because I was really behind 
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because she didn't home-school me and I had got pregnant, 
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that's why. And that's in the eleventh grade, that's 
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when I gut cwt because I was pregnant. And A decided 
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that I was -- I mean. I didn't know what I was doing. I 
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wanted to have a house. I said I'm going to have this 
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baby. I need to have a house, a car, and I set out all 
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my goals and that's what happened. 
But then I ended up 
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were there ever any girls that came to you 
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wanting to work over there that said hey. ■ 
like to go 
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work over there and make $200 bucks? Did you have any of 
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that? 
A. 
uh-huh. 
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Q. ' Do you remember any of their names or were they 
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