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yours on MySpace? 
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Sure, yes. 
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Did you send that message to a friend of 
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Were you referring to this deposition? 
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A. 
Yes. 
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Q. 
Do you find the term n-i-g-g-e-r offensive? 
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A. 
That's not anywhere in there. 
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Q. 
What word did you use in there? 
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MR. LEOPOLD: Where are you referring to, 
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Counsel? There's 20 plus words in there. 
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MR. TEIN: Don't make a speaking objection. 
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THE WITNESS: Are you referring to 
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anything --
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MR. LEOPOLD: No, 
Don't -- don't 
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let him ask you the question. 
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What question were you asking, 
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You ask the questions. What is the question 
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pending? 
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what is the last word on there in 
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the text of your message before tne ciosing? 
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Niggaa. 
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Don't you find that term offensive? 
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MR. LEOPOLD: Can you spell it for the 
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record, please. 
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THE WITNESS: N-i-g-g --
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MR. TEIN: No, no, no. You are not going 
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to be asking questions. 
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MR. LEOPOLD: I'm not asking questions. 
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I'm asking for the record the word to be spelled, 
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because we don't have a video here today. 
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MR. TEIN: These exhibits are part of the 
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record. You --
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MR. LEOPOLD: Well, it's not marked as an 
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exhibit. 
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MR. TEIN: Stop interrupting me, 
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Mr. Leopold. I have marked and identified as an 
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exhibit and you will get it. 
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MR. LEOPOLD: There has been no 
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identification of this document in the record. 
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MR. TEIN: Mr. Leopold, stop interrupting 
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this deposition. 
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MR. LEOPOLD: What is the exhibit number 
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marked for identification? 
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MR. TEIN: 31-001. 
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MR. LEOPOLD: Do we have copies? Is it on 
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the record anywhere? 
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Let me ask you, 
did you in fact 
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write your friend this message about this deposition? 
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A. 
Yes. 
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Q. 
So you wrote your friend that this 
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deposition is stupid court s-h-i-t, correct? 
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A. 
Yes. 
Q. 
Because you think this deposition is stupid 
court s-h-i-t, don't you? 
A. 
No. 
Q. 
You wrote that to your friend, didn't you? 
A. 
Yes. 
Q. 
You think that court is stupid, don't you? 
A. 
In some cases. 
Q. 
And you think that court is bull s-h-i-t, 
don't you? 
A. 
No. 
Q. 
And you think this deposition is bull 
s-h-i-t, don't you? 
A. 
No. 
Q. 
You wrote that to your friend, didn't you? 
MR. LEOPOLD: Objection. Asked and 
answered. 
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MR. TEIN: That's not an objection. 
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You wrote that to your friend, didn't you? 
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MR. LEOPOLD: Objection. Asked and 
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answered, for the fourth time. 
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MR. TEIN: You are improperly objecting, 
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Mr. Leopold. You have no grounds to object. And 
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that's not an objection. 
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MR. LEOPOLD: It is an objection. 
MR. TEIN: Then terminate the deposition if 
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you think it's been asked and answered. 
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MR. LEOPOLD: Counsel, I am not precluded 
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from just making an objection to the form of the 
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question. As the courts well know, and if you 
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practice here in West Palm Beach, many of the 
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judges require you to set the objection with 
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specificity. And I will do that. And if you 
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don't want me to, you can make the record. But 
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will do that. 
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MR. TEIN: Here's what we'll do, Ted. You 
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can -- I will allow you to reserve an objection to 
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form for every single one of my questions. 
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Otherwise, all you're doing is obstructing. 
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MR. LEOPOLD: I won't do that. 
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MR. TEIN: Of course; because you want to 
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obstruct. 
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MR. LEOPOLD: All right. 
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you think that giving testimony 
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today, under oath, is bull s-h-i-t, don't you? 
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A. 
No. 
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Q. 
And you wrote that to your friend on 
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Myspace last week, didn't you? 
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MR. LEOPOLD: Objection. Asked and 
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answered. 
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THE WITNESS: No, I did not. 
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BY MR. TEIN: 
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Q. 
You didn't write this exhibit? 
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A. 
I wrote that, but I didn't write what you 
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said. 
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Q. 
You wrote in this exhibit, "I got some 
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stupid court s-h-i-t on the 20th. Bull s-h-i-t." Didn't 
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you write that? 
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A. 
Yes. 
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Q. 
Referring to this deposition, didn't you? 
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A. 
Referring to the court. I was• later 
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informed that it was a deposition. 
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Q. 
I'm going to ask you some questions now 
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about what happened when you went to Jeff Epstein's house 
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A. 
Uh -huh. 
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Q. 
When the police interviewed you one month 
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after you went to Epstein's house, you swore on your 
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mother's grave that you and Epstein did not engage in sex 
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of any kind? 
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A. 
Yes. 
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Q. 
Didn't you tell that to the police? 
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A. 
Yes. And I will continue. I have never 
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had sex with him. 
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Q. 
Did what happened upstairs at Jeff 
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Epstein's house take you completely by surprise,
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A. 
Yes. 
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Q. 
Now the civil complaint that you filed 
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against Mr. Epstein for fifty million dollars alleged 
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that you were totally shocked by what happened when you 
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got there. 
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A. 
Yes. 
Q. 
Were you totally shocked by what happened 
when you got to Epstein's house? 
A. 
Yes. 
O. 
You didn't expect it at all, did you? 
A. 
No. 
Q. 
You had absolutely no idea why your friend 
as taking you to Epstein's house, right? 
A. 
I was informed it was a massage. 
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Q. 
All you thought that it was going to be was 
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a massage, correct? 
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never said anything to you on the telephone about sexual 
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activity with Epstein, did she? 
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No. 
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Yes. 
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Q. 
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Before you got to Epstein's house 
And before you got to Epstein's house 
never sent you a message over the Internet about 
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sexual activity with Epstein, did she? 
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A. 
No. 
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Q. 
Did 
ever try to convince you to 
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engage in any sexual activity with Epstein? 
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A. 
No. 
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Q. 
Did 
every try to convince 
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you to engage in any sexual activity with Epstein? 
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I don't know who 
is. 
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Q. 
Do you have a friend IIIIIII? 
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A. 
No. 
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Q. 
Okay. Before you went so Epstein's house 
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did anyone call or e-mail you to induce you to engage in 
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sexual activity with Epstein? 
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A. 
No. 
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4. 
So you're sure that before you got to 
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Epstein's house no one tried to persuade you to engage in 
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sexual activity with Jeffrey Epstein? 
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A. 
No. 
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Q. 
You're sure that -- let me ask the question 
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again. 
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You're sure that before you got to 
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Epstein's house no one tried to persuade you to engage in 
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sexual activity with Epstein for money. Are you? 
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MR. LEOPOLD: Objection. Asked and 
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answered. 
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THE WITNESS: No. And I've already 
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answered that a bazillion times. 
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BY MR. TEIN: 
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Q. 
He's coaching you now. So I'm going to ask 
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the question --
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MR. LEOPOLD: Counsel, I've made an 
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objection for the record. 
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MR. TEIN: Stop speaking. 
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MR. LEOPOLD: I'm not going to stop 
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speaking. You can't interrupt me when I'm making 
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the record. 
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MR. TEIN: You're coaching the witness. 
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MR. LEOPOLD: Counsel --
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MR. TEIN: Stop coaching the witness. 
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BY MR. TEIN: 
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Q. 
let me ask you 
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MR. LEOPOLD: If you continue to --
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MR. TEIN: Stop interrupting my questions. 
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MR. LEOPOLD: If you do it one more time, 
we're leaving. 
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I'm going to make the record. 
You cannot interrupt me when I'm making the 
record. Out of professional conduct, you cannot 
do that. I'm entitled to make the record. I made 
an objection, asked and answered. Your demeanor 
is inappropriate. You're willing and you are able 
and you're responsible to ask a question in a 
professional manner, and ask the question and once 
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you get the answer, to either follow up on it or 
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move on, but not continuously browbeat and ask the 
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same question over and over because you don't like 
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the answer. 
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MR. TEIN: 
Calm down, sir. 
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MR. LEOPOLD: Trust me, I'm very calm here. 
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When I'm not calm, you'll know it. I'm very calm. 
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So please continue on. But I will not 
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allow you to continue to harass her in the 
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demeanor that you're doing. Ask her a question 
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and move on. 
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MR. TEIN: Are you done? 
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MR. LEOPOLD: Thank you. I am. 
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MR. TEIN: Stop misrepresenting the record 
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and calm down. I'm going to ask my question. 
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Stop it. 
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BY MR. TEIN: 
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MR. LEOPOLD: I think the record is very 
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clear. 
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MR. GOLDBERGER: Let me just clarify 
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something. When you object to the form of a 
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question, you're not instructing the witness not 
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to answer the question, are you? 
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MR. LEOPOLD: No. And I'm not making that 
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objection; only on attorney/client privilege. 
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MR. TEIN: Will you stop speaking now so I 
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can ask my question? Are you done? 
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Okay. I'm going to ask my question. 
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Listen, IIIIII--
MR. LEOPOLD: Hold on. Stop. 
I've been doing this for 20 plus years and 
have met a lot of attorneys, but I've never had an 
experience like this where I've 
MR. TEIN: Stop your speeches. 
MR. LEOPOLD: If you continue to do this, 
whether it's with me or with my client, I will not 
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Mr. Goldberger knows all this, because I know that 
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he wouldn't do this. So I will not put up with 
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it. And I think it's highly inappropriate to do 
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this with this child sitting here, the way you're 
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acting, primarily towards me, and I will not put 
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up with it. 
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MR. TEIN: Will you please stop your speech 
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so I can ask questions? 
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professionally, I will do so. But if you continue 
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to do it this way, I will leave. 
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Q. 
are you sure that before you got to 
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Epstein's house no one tried to persuade you to engage in 
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sexual activity with Epstein for money? 
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MR. LEOPOLD: Asked and answered. 
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Objection. 
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MR. TEIN: Did you get her answer? 
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THE COURT REPORTER: No, I did not. 
put up with it and I don't need to put up with it 
and it's not appropriate. And I'm sure 
MR. LEOPOLD: So long as you act 
MR. VEIN: Suit yourself. 
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Let me ask you a few questions about your 
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contact with Jeffrey Epstein. Okay? 
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A. 
(Witness nods head up and down.) 
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Q. 
Jeff never e-mailed you, did he? 
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A. 
No. 
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Q. 
Jeff never text messaged you, did he? 
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A. 
No. 
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Q. 
Jeff never chatted in a chat room with you, 
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did he? 
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A. 
No. 
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Q. 
Before you got to Epstein's house you had 
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never spoken to Jeff, had you? 
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A. 
No. 
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Q. 
And before you got to Epstein's house you 
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had never met Jeff? 
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A. 
Correct. 
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Q. 
Before you got to Epstein's house you had 
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never told Jeff that you were under 18, right? 
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A. 
No. 
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Q. 
Before you got to Epstein's house had you 
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ever told Jeffrey that you were under 18? 
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A. 
No. I never spoke to the man before that. 
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Q. 
And you only went to Jeff Epstein's house 
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that one time three years ago, correct? 
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A. 
Yes. 
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Q. 
You never went there again, correct? 
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of questioning about this and we'll move onto something 
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else. Okay? 
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A. 
Uh-huh. Yes. I'm sorry. 
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Q. 
Before you got to Epstein's did anyone 
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associated with Epstein ever call you on the phone and 
A. 
No. 
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try to persuade, induce, entice or coerce you to engage 
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in any sexual activity? 
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A. 
No. 
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Q. 
Before you got to Epstein's did anybody 
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associated with Epstein ever contact you on the Internet 
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and try to persuade, induce, entice or coerce you to 
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engage in any sexual activity? 
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A. 
No. 
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Q. 
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who told you that when you got to 
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Jeff Epstein's house you should lie to Jeff about your 
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age? 
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A. 
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Q. 
Was it 
or was it the other girl in 
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the car who you rode over with to Epstein's house? 
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A. 
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Who was the other girl in the car with you 
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that day? 
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I honestly don't know. 
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Q. 
Had you ever seen her before? 
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A. 
No, sir. 
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Q. 
You told the police that when you rode over 
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to Epstein's you had no idea who she was, right? 
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A. 
Correct. 
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Q. 
You told the police that you didn't know 
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her name, but she was like really dark, kind of like a 
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Spanish girl? 
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A. 
Yes. 
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Q. 
Those were your words, right? 
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A. 
Yes. 
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Q. 
Do you now know who she is? 
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A. 
No, sir. 
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So it was Illillwho told you to lie about 
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your age to Jeff Epstein? 
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A. 
Yes, sir. 
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Q. 
And IIII told you that if you weren't 18, 
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Epstein wouldn't let you into his house, right? 
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A. 
That's -- yes, yes. 
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Q. 
All right. Let's talk for a minute about 
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when you first met Jeff. Okay? 
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A. 
Sure. 
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Q. 
When you first met Jeff he tried to find 
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out how old you were, right? 
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Excuse me? 
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Q. 
When you first met Jeff he tried to find 
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out how old you were, right? 
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A. 
Not when we first introduced each other; 
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when we get upstairs, then, yes. 
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Q. 
During the massage Jeff asked you how old 
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you were, correct? 
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A. 
Yes, yes. 
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Q. 
Now hadn't you already told Jeff's 
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ass:stant, the one who walked you upstairs, that you went 
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to college and had just moved down here from Ohio? 
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A. 
I never spoke to the lady. 
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Q. 
Do you want to rethink that answer? 
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MR. LEOPOLD: Is that a question? 
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Q. 
Do you want to rethink that answer? 
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A. 
No. I didn't really speak with her that 
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much. 
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Q. 
Do you want to try to refresh your memory 
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on that? 
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MR. LEOPOLD: Do you have something to 
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refresh her memory with? 
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MR. TEIN: Do you want to stop making 
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speaking objections? 
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MR. LEOPOLD: No. But to refresh someone's 
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memory, you show them a document. 
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MR. TEIN: I know how to do this. 
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MR. LEOPOLD: Then show her a document. 
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MR. TEIN: Stop speaking. 
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MR. LEOPOLD: I'm not going to stop 
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speaking. I'm going to continue to make the 
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record. 
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MR. TEIN: You're obstructing. Please 
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stop. 
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MR. LEOPOLD: I'm not obstructing. But if 
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you want to refresh her recollection, you need to 
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show her something. 
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That's not a proper question. I object to 
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the foundation and the predicate of that question. 
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MR. TEIN: Are you done? 
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MR. LEOPOLD: I am now. Thank you. 
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BY MR. TEIN: 
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Do you want to try to refresh your memory 
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as to whether you had any conversation with the woman who 
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walked you upstairs in Epstein's house in which you told 
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her that you went to college and had just moved down from 
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Ohio? 
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MR. LEOPOLD: Objection. Object to the 
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form of the question. Lack of foundation and 
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predicate. 
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memory that in fact you told Mr. Epstein's assistant, the 
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one who walked you upstairs, that you went to college and 
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you had just moved down here from Ohio? 
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A. 
I don't remember saying that, but if you --
Q. 
You can answer the question. 
A. 
Sure. 
Q. 
Is there anything that would refresh your 
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I don't remember saying that myself, so --
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Q. 
That would be a lie, right? 
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A. 
No. I really don't remember. 
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Q. 
So you told Jeff that you were 18 years 
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old, correct? 
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A. 
Yes. 
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Q. 
Do you remember Detective 
Pagan of 
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the Police Department, Palm Beach Police Department? 
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A. 
Yes. 
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Q. 
Do you remember you spoke to her? 
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A. 
Yes. 
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Q. 
Do you remember that you told Detective 
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Pagan that when you lied about your.age to Jeff you said 
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it really fast because you didn't want to make it sound 
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like you were lying? 
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A. 
I don't remember the words exa 
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do remember telling her I told him I was 18. 
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Q. 
And do you remember telling Detective Pagan 
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that when you lied to Epstein about your age that you 
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said it really fast so Epstein wouldn't realize you were 
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lyLng? 
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A. 
No, I don't remember saying those words 
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exactly to her. I remember telling her that I told 
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Epstein I was 18. 
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Does it sound right to you that you told 
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Detective Pagan that you said your age really fast to 
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Epstein --
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answered. 
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BY MR. TEIN: 
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-- so he wouldn't think that you were 
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lying? 
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MR. LEOPOLD: Objection. Asked and 
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answered, lack of foundation, mischaracterization 
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of her earlier testimony. She's already answered 
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that question. 
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BY MR. TEIN: 
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Q. 
You can answer it. 
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MR. LEOPOLD: Same objection. It's been 
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asked and answered. 
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You can answer. I've made the objection. 
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THE WITNESS: I forget the question, now. 
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Let me put it again. 
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Does it sound right to you that you told 
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Detective Pagan that when you lied about your age to 
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Jeffrey Epstein, you said it really fast because you 
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didn't want to make it sound like you were lying? 
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MR. LEOPOLD: Objection. Lack of 
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foundation, asked and answered. 
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THE WJTNESS: I could have possibly said 
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that, yes. 
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You didn't want Mr. Epstein to know that 
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you were lying about your age, right? 
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A. 
Correct. 
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You didn't want Mr. Epstein to know that 
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you were not 18 yet, right? 
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A. 
Correct. 
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Q. 
You wanted Mr. Epstein to believe that you 
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really were 18, right? 
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Correct. 
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Q. 
Do you remember when Mr. Epstein asked 
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where you went to school? 
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A. 
Yes. 
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And you told Mr. Epstein you went to 
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wellington, right? 
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Was that the truth? 
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A. 
No. 
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Q. 
In fact, you went to 
, right? 
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A. 
Yes. 
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Q. 
So you lied to Mr. Epstein again, correct? 
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A. 
Yes. 
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Q. 
Is Wellington the college that you told 
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Jeff's assistant that you were attending? 
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I don't remember having that conversation 
with her, so I wouldn't know if that's what I said. 
Q. 
That was a lie, though, wasn't it? 
MR. LEOPOLD: Objection to the form of the 
question, lack of foundation. You're making an 
assumption. She just answered you she can't tell 
you that. 
MR. TEIN: Speaking objection. And you 
well know that, Mr. Leopold. 
MR. LEOPOLD: She can't answer that 
question. The way you phrased that question, 
you're purposely making her not be honest in her 
testimony. She can't answer a question like that. 
She doesn't remember. So then you say, "So you 
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