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that 
stated to us that because she was kind 
of reserved or held back as he made advances 
towards her, she was able to see Mr. Epstein's 
penis and that he was masturbating, but that he 
never finished, that he never ejaculated. She did 
not feel that yr. Epstein liked her very much. 
Q 
But just to sort of compare what 
said with what Vanessa said, they both said that 
at the beginning they remained clothed? 
A 
Yes. 
Q 
And that Mr. Epstein progressively 
pushed and pushed and pushed for more sexual 
activity? 
A 
Yes. 
• 
Now what was the period of time that 
when 
went to Mr. Epstein's home? 
A 
March of 
I'm sorry, spring of '05 is 
said that she went there and around, 
you know, the investigation is heating up with 
Palm Beach, so we know that in September of '05, 
there was a trash pull done, and in that trash 
pull there was a message and that was found and it 
stated -- it had 
phone  number on it and 
it stated, for a good time call 
and 
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And whose stationery was that? 
A 
It was on. Jeffrey Epstein's stationery. 
Q 
And had Jeffrey Epstein been in a Palm 
Beach resident close to those dates? 
A 
Q 
between 
Yes. 
Now is there evidence of telephone calls 
and 
A 
Yes. 
Q 
And how many phone calls have you been 
able to identify? 
A 
At this time, there have been 14 phone 
calls. 
Q 
All right. 
And just to compare that to 
the number of phone calls with 
With__'
A 
 there was over 150 phone 
calls between
and 
Q 
And that is sort of consistent with the 
number of massages that 
did versus the 
number of massages that Vanessa did? 
A 
It is consistent with especially the 
activity that Vanessa was providing Mr. Epstein 
compared to the activity that 
would 
provide. 
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me just step out for 
MS. 
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exits the Grand Jury 
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ters the Grand Jury 
Room.) 
MS. 
Ladies and gentlemen, I 
am going to have to take a break now and we 
will be back either next week or the 
following week. Thank you very much. You 
are done for the day. 
(Witness was excused.) 
CERTIFICATE OF REPORTER 
I, Paula E. Angelocci, Certified Court 
Reporter and Notary Public, do certify that the 
transcript is a true and correct transcription of 
my stenotype notes of the testimony of 
taken before 
the Federal Grand Jur 
West Palm Beach 
Fl ri a. 
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