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Okay. When the second time you went, how did you, 
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Asked -- when he asked -- when he gave me $300 and 
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asked me to come back, I had left him my cell phone number. 
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Okay. 
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And
 called me and told me that Jeff had 
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wanted me to come back and then I went down there. 
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Okay. Do you recall when this was? 
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No. I know it started like this time last year 
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January of this year was the last time you 
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Yeah. 
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Okay. All right. II she calls you and tells you 
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(Inaudible.) 
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-- tells you to come to the house to provide, to 
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Uh-huh. 
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Did anything happen during that massage? 
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No. The only thing he ever did was he tried to 
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Was that on the second massage? 
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No. Probably about towards the end because I was 
fully clothed until the third massage. 
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That was the massage. That's when just I did it 
in my bra and underwear. And then after that is when I 
started feeling uncomfortable with it because he was like 
why don't you take that off and I was like no. And then 
just -- he never pressured me. He never forced me to do 
anything. But he would like try to talk you into it and I 
didn't feel comfortable with it. 
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you recall both -- the first two times? 
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Uh-huh. 
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Did he touch himself during the second massage? 
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I guess kinda he would sometimes. 
What do you mean? 
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Well not -- like towards the end when I was in my 
bra and underwear like sometimes when I would be rubbing his 
chest then he would. 
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Okay. Did he do it on the second time you went? 
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No. 
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Okay. The third time you went, how were you 
contacted to go? 
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called me again. 
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there's more to that. More to the massage. Okay? That's 
why I didn't want mom to be in here. And you can talk to me 
about anything. Okay? Like I said, I've interviewed other 
people already who have told me what transpired in that 
room. I know it's going to be difficult for you but... 
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Well, the first time I went there I did a massage 
and he was just asking me a lot of questions. He seemed 
like really nice. And then he kept like staring at me and 
stuff. And then like I did a massage and he just kept 
looking at me and he was like oh, you're being shy and I'm 
like yeah. And he's like do you feel uncomfortable and I 
was like yeah, a little bit. And he's like okay. And he 
said well do you want to stop, and I was like no, it's okay. 
And he was like why are you like being shy and I was like 
oh, I don't know. And then he would like change the subject 
and he started talking about other things. And then when we 
were done he said that if like I wanted to come back and do 
more then he would like pay me more and then I would have to 
talk to 
and I could come back. 
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Okay. What kind of questions did he ask you as 
you were massaging him? 
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He was asking about 
it was a year ago. I don't 
remember everything but... 
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Okay. At what point did he reach out to try to 
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While he just before he started to rub his nipples 
he goes I'm going to touch you the way that I like to be 
touched and I was like I don't feel comfortable that way. 
I'm fine. I'll continue to give you a massage but I don't 
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Yes. 
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I would not let him. No. 
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Right. 
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Correct. 
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calls us when she gets in town. 
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I've called him maybe once or twice to see if he 
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Friday at 7 he wants someone to work for him. 
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Uh-huh. 
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Looking, whatever. And I told her just remember 
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No. Screw that. 
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For the most part because like I said, two were my 
friends. The others were like my acquaintances. It was a 
little more easier talking to them about it because I knew 
them. 
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Just take a deep breath. Take a deep breath 
because I can see you working up again. You're working up 
the tears. I can see it. I don't want to get you like 
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I pretty much would just ask them. 
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to be true. And as I found out it wasn't quite what she 
said. Just he asks the girls to take off their clothes and 
give him a massage and he likes watching them I guess. 
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, I've talked to a lot of girls and I 
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Uh-huh. 
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-- to some extent. II I want you to feel free to 
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you're going to say that's going to shock me. I've talked 
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And told you. for -- a massage for $200. Did she.; 
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Urn, a couple of days later, I believe it was a Saturday night. I'm 
almost positive it was, cause I know I didn't have Luo to school 
the next day. Urn, and definitely wasn't a Friday. 
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the her apartment, and we drove to the island and I worked, um, 
and he paid her three or four hundred dollars to bring me. 
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And that was it. 
All right. Urn, and this was a year and a half ago, correct? 
Maybe two, I'm not sure, I didn't really keep track 
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If it was two years ago I was sixteen, if it was a year and a half, I 
would have been sixteen or seventeen, I don't know. 
Okay. 
Like, I really don't know. 
Okay. When you first went to give a massage, um, you were 
explained that, it was just a massage? 
Just a massage. 
Okay. Did she explain, um, how you would have to be dressed to 
give.a massage? 
She said that he wanted cute girls, so I looked cute, did my best, I 
didn't -7 I didn't think that it was what it. was. I wasn't naive 
enough to think that he:was gonna payine two hundred.dollars just 
for nothing, [stutters] I, I don't know, IIIce I don't know what was 
going through my head. I absolutely don't kno,y/. And I the back 
of my mind I was thinking, oh; well; it c0uld.beIegitimate; but I 
was alsothinking; •you.know; at the same time, is she fucking 
crazy? Like, this gtiy's not gonna pay you money for not do'ag 
anything; not letting him cop a feel or nothing. You know? 
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don't care. If he does something that I have a problem with then 
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