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was: 
I'm sorry, the question you asked me 
How did they meet? They met by a friend of 
Mr. Epstein's. Jane Doe Number One was working at 
Mar-a-Lago and a friend of Mr. Epstein's, 
Ghislaine Maxwell. 
Would you like the spelling? 
THE REPORTER: Yes, please. 
THE WITNESS: G-H-I-S-L-A-I-N-I, 
Maxwell, who was a friend of Mr. Epstein, met 
Jane Doe Number One at Mar-a-Lago and Jane 
Doe Number One soon after began working and 
providing massages for Mr. Epstein. 
BY 
Q 
What sexual activity was Jane Doe Number 
One involved in with Jeffrey Epstein? 
A 
Through the statements provided by Jane 
Doe Number Two, when Jane Doe Number Two was 14 
years of age, she saw Jane Doe Number One naked 
and engaged in what she believed to be sexual 
intercourse with Mr. Epstein. 
Q 
Now did Jane Doe Number One recruit any 
one else to go to Jeffrey Epstein's home? 
A 
At this time, the only Jane Doe that we 
are aware of is Jane Doe Number Two or the only 
individual we are aware of is Jane Doe Number Two. 
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Q 
Okay. So let's talk about Jane Doe 
Number Two. Who is she? 
A 
Jane Doe Number Two is a white feinale 
named Carolyn. She was born in January of 1987. 
She lived in Palm Beach County, Florida, at the 
time she had contact with Mr. Epstein. 
Q 
And how -- has she been interviewed? 
A 
Yes. 
Q 
During -- how old was she during the 
time frame that Jane Doe Number Two was involved 
with Mr. Epstein? 
A 
She was 14 at the time that she first 
met Mr. Epstein. 
Q 
And she was involved with him until she 
was 17? 
A 
We have in or about the beginning of 
2001, which would make her 14 up until 2004. 
Q 
And how did she come to meet Mr. 
Epstein? 
A 
Jane Doe Number One brought Jane Doe 
Number Two to Mr. Epstein's residence for the 
first time. Mr. Epstein was introduced to Jane 
Doe Number Two by Jane Doe Number One. 
There was a massage that took place with 
the two of them and then Jane Doe Number One 
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engaged in sexual activity that I mentioned 
earlier where Jane Doe Number Two informed us that 
she sat on the couch and observed what she 
believed the two of them to engage in sexual 
intercourse. 
Q 
And at the time, Jane Doe Number One was 
17 and Jane Doe Number Two was 14? 
A 
Yes. 
Q 
All right. 
A 
And I'm not sure if that was actually 
the first or second visit that she went. So it 
was either the first visit or the second that the 
sexual activity that I described took place. 
They may have gone there the first time 
and just performed a massage for Mr. Epstein, but 
on the second occasion the sexual activity that I 
described took place. 
Jane Doe Number Two stated that, you 
know, the three years that we discussed from 2001 
to 2004, she provided Mr. Epstein with over, in 
that three-year period, over 100 massages and all 
but three of the massages were sexually in nature. 
Q 
How much was she paid for performing 
sexual massages for Epstein? 
A 
She was paid between 200 and $400. 
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Originally, she was paid $300 when she starting 
performing massages for Mr. Epstein. On at least 
two occasions, Mr. Epstein offered her $100 more 
if she would take off her underwear, which she 
did, and on those two occasions she was paid 
$400. 
When Jane Doe Number Two expressed to 
Mr. Epstein that she did not want him touching her 
vagina, Jane Doe Number Two informed us that he 
dropped the amount to $200. 
She would also receive $100 for bringing 
any girls. 
Q 
All right. Now you said that on all but 
three occasions with Jane Doe Number Two, the 
massages were sexual. Did Jeffrey Epstein 
masturbate during those massages? 
A 
Yes, he did. 
Q 
Did he instruct Jane Doe Number Two to 
do anything while he was masturbating? 
A 
Yes. He asked her to rub and pinch h 
nipples. 
Q 
And these started when she was still 14? 
A 
Yes. 
Q 
What was the involvement of Sarah Kellen 
with Jane Doe Number Two? 
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A 
Sarah would schedule Jane Doe Number Two 
and sometimes Sarah would be out of town and be in 
New York and scheduled her to come and work, but 
Sarah Kellen's primary role was to schedule or I 
guess she was the one that would schedule Jane Doe 
Number Two to come and perform the massages. 
Q 
Did Sarah Kellen ever actually lead Jane 
Doe Number Two upstairs up to the bedroom? 
A 
Yes. 
After Jane Doe Number One took 
Jane Doe Number Two, Jane Doe Number Two started 
going by herself. The first time that Jane Doe 
Number Two arrived at Mr. Epstein's by herself, 
Sarah Kellen took Jane Doe Number Two from the 
kitchen and took her upstairs for the massage that 
was to be performed for Mr. Epstein. 
Q 
Now you mentioned the sexual activity 
that Jane Doe Number two observed between Jane Doe 
Number One and Mr. Epstein. Was there ever any 
other females involved in the sexual activity? 
A 
Yes. Mr. Epstein introduced an 
unidentified female who performed oral sex on Jane 
Doe Number One -- I'm sorry, on Jane Doe Number 
Two while Mr. Epstein had sexual intercourse with 
the unidentified female. 
Q 
Now you mentioned that at some point, 
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Mr. Epstein asked Jane Doe Number Two to start 
bringing girls; is that correct? 
A 
Yes. 
Q 
And did he describe what exactly he 
wants, the type of person that he wanted her to 
bring? Did she report that he asked her if she 
had any younger friends that would be interested 
in performing massages? 
A 
Yes. He asked her -- can I just have a 
moment? 
Q 
Of course, yes. 
A 
I'm sorry. Jane Doe Number Two, Mr. 
Epstein asked her if she had any friends that 
would be interested in performing these massages 
and then he also inquired if she had any younger 
friends that would -- that she could bring to him 
and then he offered to pay her $100 for each 
person that she brought. 
Q 
In addition to the sexual activity with 
Mr. Epstein, did Sarah Kellen ever involve Jane 
Doe Number Two in any specific activity? 
A 
Yes. Sarah Kellen contacted Jane Doe 
Number Two by telephone and asked her to come to 
Mr. Epstein's residence that Mr. Epstein wanted 
Sarah to take pictures of Jane Doe Number Two. 
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Sarah paid Jane Doe Number Two $500 to 
take naked photographs of Jane Doe Number Two at 
Mr. Epstein's residence in and around the house 
and pool area at the request of Mr. Epstein. 
Q 
And approximately how old or how old 
does Jane Doe Number Two believe she was at the 
time? 
A 
Jane Doe Number Two informed us that she 
was 16 years old when Sarah Kellen took the 
photographs of her naked. 
Q 
What did Jane Doe Number Two say about 
whether Jeffrey Epstein knew her true age? 
A 
Jane Doe Number Two was informed by Jane 
Doe Number One to say if asked her age that she 
was -- she should respond that she was 17. When 
they went -- and went to Mr. Epstein's residence 
and were upstairs performing massages, Mr. Epstein 
asked Jane Doe Number Two her age. 
She responded four --. And then he 
said, so you're 14? 
And Mr. Epstein informed Jane 
Doe Number Two that they would just keep that 
between them. 
Q 
So in other words, he knew that she was 
14 when she started seeing him? 
A 
Yes. She did not remember to say 17 and 
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just naturally came out four --. And then he 
finished that statement for her, so you're 14? 
And then stated that they would keep that between 
them. 
Q 
Now is the -- can you summarize -- does 
your testimony. 
.cover the evidence supporting the 
allegations in Overt Acts One through 18? 
A 
Yes, it does. 
Q 
And if I could ask you to refer to Count 
Two, which appears on Page 38. Is the evidence 
that you have just summarized the basis for the 
allegation that Jeffrey Epstein and Sarah Kellen 
procured Jane Doe Number Two to engage in 
commercial sex acts knowing that she was under 18? 
A 
Yes. 
Q 
So is there anything else that you 
wanted to mention with respect to either Jane Doe 
Numbers One or Two? 
A 
The only other thing I didn't bring up 
was the gifts that Mr. Epstein provided to Jane 
Doe Number Two and Mr. Epstein would provide her 
with lingerie. 
He gave her tickets to a concert, a 
local concert. He would also send her via FedEx 
packages to her residence, and in one of those 
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packages Jane Doe Number Two informed us that 
there was a Massage for Dummies book that she 
received by FedEx from Mr. Epstein. 
And the grand jury should know that we 
have received records from FedEx which corroborate 
Mr. Epstein's address and packages going to Jane 
Doe Number Two's residence. 
Q 
And those records relate to Mr. 
Epstein's personal Federal Express account? 
A 
Yes. 
A GRAND JUROR: Jane Doe Number Two, do 
we know how old she was when Mr. Epstein 
asked her to bring younger friends? Was she 
already in his eyes up there and he wanted 
them younger? 
THE WITNESS: When Jane Doe Number Two 
was 16, about midway through her 16th year, 
she became pregnant and at that point she did 
not provide Mr. Epstein with anymore 
massages. 
So I know she went away for a time 
period and when she came back, you know, she 
had a son and did not want to do massages 
anymore. So at that point, she may have 
brought her friends as well as prior to that. 
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BY 
Q 
Do you know exactly when she started 
bringing other girls? 
A 
I don't know that I want to say that it 
was before or after. We just know that she was 
asked by Mr. Epstein to bring other females and he 
would pay $100. 
The only other thing we haven't talked 
about is we have message pads that were recovered 
in the execution of the state search warrant on 
Mr. Epstein's residence, and I think the grand 
jury has seen copies of some of those message 
pads. 
We do have a message pad for Jane Doe 
Number Two that gives you an example of -- and I 
can pull that out and read that to the grand jury, 
if you would like? 
Q 
Sure. 
A 
This particular message pad is 
basically -- it's a carbon copy message that again 
was recovered during the execution of the state 
search warrant at Mr. Epstein's residence and this 
shows that this was dated on March 11 , 2003. 
It's from Carolyn with her phone number 
and it's marked that she telephoned and it's 
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marked, please call, and it was signed by one of 
Mr. Epstein's employees. So again the date that 
the contact here is March 11 , 2003. 
Q 
And Jane Doe Number Two was still under 
the age of 18 at that time? 
A 
Yes, she was. 
Q 
Okay. Now if we could turn to Jane Doe 
Number Three and who is she? 
A 
Jane Doe Number Three is a white female 
named Cortney. She was born October 1987 and she 
lived in the Palm Beach County area. 
Q 
Has she been interviewed? 
A 
Yes. 
Q 
And during what period of time did Jane 
Doe Number Three have contact with Jeffrey 
Epstein? 
A 
Beginning in or around 2003 to up 2005. 
Q 
And how old was she during that time 
frame? 
A 
She was 15 when she first met Mr. 
Epstein. 
Q 
And how did she meet him? 
A 
Jane Doe Number Two brought Jane Doe 
Number Three to Mr. Epstein's house. 
They 
traveled by taxi there. Jane Doe Number Two took 
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Jane Doe Number. Three upstairs to meet Mr. 
Epstein. 
They provided Mr. Epstein a massage in 
their underwear. Mr. Epstein asked Jane Doe 
Number Two to leave and Jane Doe Number Three 
finished the massage. 
Mr. Epstein masturbated in front of Jane 
Doe Number Three on that first occasion, and Jane 
Doe Number Three, after the massage, she was paid 
$200 and she left the residence. 
Q 
All right. 
A 
On other occasions after that, Sarah 
Kellen would be the one to contact Jane Doe Number 
Three to come to the residence to provide massages 
for Mr. Epstein. 
Q 
And you have phone records showing calls 
from Sarah Kellen's phone to Jane Doe Number 
Three's phone? 
A 
Yes, I do. 
Q 
In addition to that, the masturbation 
during that massage, was there other sexual 
activity that occurred between the two of them? 
A 
Yes, there was. Mr. Epstein requested 
that Jane Doe Number Three rub his chest and 
nipples while he masturbated. He also used a 
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massager slash vibrator on Jane Doe Number Three's 
vagina. 
He touched Jane Doe Number Three's 
vagina. He also instructed Jane Doe Number Three 
to straddle an unidentified female and fondle the 
unidentified female as he used she believed it was 
a vibrator or a massaging device on the 
unidentified female's vagina. 
Q 
And on each of those occasions was she 
paid? 
A 
Yes, she was. 
Q 
And did she tell you about the range of 
of money that she would receive for each visit? 
A 
She received $200 for the time period 
when she would provide Mr. Epstein during the 
massages. 
Q 
Did Jane Doe Number Three recruit anyone 
to go Mr. Epstein's house? 
A 
Yes. 
Q 
And did she tell you anything about what 
Epstein's requests were in terms of who she should 
bring? 
A 
Yes. Mr. Epstein asked her to bring 
other females. Jane Doe Number Three stated that 
Mr. Epstein's preferences were short little white 
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girls. Jane Doe Number Three brought girls ages 
15 to 25 years of age. 
Q 
Were there girls whom Jane Doe Number 
Three brought to Mr. Epstein's home whom he did 
not like? 
A 
Yes. Mr. Epstein informed Jane Doe 
Number Three that he didn't want girls with 
tattoos, older girls, or black girls. 
He also expressed frustration with Jane 
Doe Number Three when she didn't have new females 
for him. 
Q 
And how would he express that 
frustration? 
A 
He hung up on her. He telephoned her. 
He also would telephone her. Sarah Kellen and Mr. 
Epstein would call Jane Doe Number Three and on 
this particular occasion when she didn't have a 
female for him, he hung up. 
Q 
Now if we could go back to the girls 
whom Mr. Epstein didn't like. You said older 
girls, girls with tattoos, and black girls. When 
Jane Doe Number Three brought those girls to his 
home, did he allow them to massage him? 
A 
No. 
Q 
So those girls were just sent away? 
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A 
They were, but they were paid for 
coming. 
Q 
Now if I could just refer you to Overt 
Acts 29 and 31 , which are on Page 12. There is a 
reference to two written telephone messages and 
could you just remind the grand jury of where that 
information comes from? 
A 
I actually have copies. Overt Acts 29 
and 31 are message pads or carbon copy messages 
that were found at Mr. Epstein's residence when 
the Town of Palm Beach Police Department executed 
a state search warrant on his residence. 
The first one, Overt Act 29, is a 
message dated November 8, 2004. 
It was taken at 
1 :15 p.m. The message is for Mr. Epstein from 
Cortney with her cell phone number and in 
quotations it says, I have a female for him. At 
the bottom is an employee of Mr. Epstein, the 
house manager, Alfredo Rodriguez. 
Overt Act 31 is a message for Mr. 
Epstein dated January 29, 2005. It looks like the 
time was 4:10 p.m. It is from*Cortney with her 
phone number on it and in quotations, I have a 
female for him. Again, initialed by Mr. Epstein's 
house manager, Alfredo Rodriguez. 
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Q 
Now does your testimony today summarize 
the evidence supporting the allegations in Overt 
Acts 19 through 31? 
A 
Yes. 
Q 
And if I could just refer you to Count 
12, which appears on Pages 40 and 41 of the 
proposed indictment. Is this the evidence that 
you just summarized the basis for the allegations 
that Jeffrey Epstein and Sarah Kellen used a 
facility of interstate commerce to persuade, 
induce, and entice Jane Doe Number Three to engage 
in prostitution and in sexual activity for which a 
person can be charged with a criminal offense? 
A 
Yes. 
Q 
Was Jane Doe Number Three under the age 
of 16 during part of her interactions with Mr. 
Epstein? 
A 
Yes, she was. 
Q 
And under Florida law, could Mr. Epstein 
have been charged with lewd and lascivious 
molestation, lewd and lascivious conduct, and lewd 
and lascivious exhibition based upon his touching 
of Jane Doe Number Three's breasts, genitals, his 
solicitation of Jane Doe Number Three in a lewd 
and lascivious act and his masturbation and 
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exposure of his genitals to her? 
A 
Yes. 
Q 
All right. Let's turn to Jane Does 
Four, Five, and Six, please, and could you tell 
the grand jury who Four, Five and Six are? 
A 
Jane Doe Four, Number Four is a white 
female named Danielle. She was born in August 
1986. She attended both Wellington High School 
and Palm Beach Central High School in Palm Beach 
County. 
Jane Doe Number Five is a white female 
named Angelique. She was born in October of 1986. 
She attended Wellington High School in Palm Beach 
County, Florida. 
Jane Doe Number Six is a white female 
named Jennifer. She was born in June of 1987 and 
she' attended Palm Beach Central High School in 
Palm Beach County, Florida. 
Q 
Have the three Jane Does Four, Five, and 
Six been interviewed? 
A 
Yes. 
Q 
And during what period of time did they 
have contact with Jeffrey Epstein? 
A 
In or around the first half of 2004 
possibly going into the summer months is when we 
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first have them having contact, I believe, they 
have contact with Mr. Epstein. 
Q 
And how old were they during that time 
frame in early 2004? 
A 
Both Jane Doe Numbers Four and Five 
would have been 17 at that time, and Jane Doe 
Number Six would have been 16. 
Q 
What sexually activity did Jane Does 
Four and Five engage in with Jeffrey Epstein? 
A 
Jane Doe Numbers Four and Five took a 
taxi to Mr. Epstein's house and went upstairs and 
provided Mr. Epstein a massage. Jane Doe Numbers 
Four and Five, the sexual contact that took place 
was or conduct was that Mr. Epstein masturbated in 
the presence of both Jane Doe Number Four and Jane 
Doe Number Five. 
He also instructed Jane Doe Number Four 
to play with his nipples and rub his chest. Both 
Jane Doe Numbers Four and Five were paid $200 for 
this. On a later massage, Jane Doe Number Four 
had additional sexual activity with Mr. Epstein 
and Mr. Epstein had instructed or requested Jane 
Doe Number Four to take off her clothing and wear 
her underwear, which she complied. 
During that massage, Jane Doe Number 
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Four's underwear was pulled aside by Mr. Epstein 
and he stroked her vagina. 
Q 
And she was paid following that massage 
as well? 
A 
Yes, she was. 
Q 
Who led Jane Does Four and Five up to 
the bedroom during that first massage? 
A 
Jane Does Four and Five went upstairs. 
They were taken upstairs by Sarah Kellen. 
Q 
And what evidence is there regarding 
Jeffrey Epstein's knowledge of Jane Doe Number 
Four's true age? 
A 
Jane Doe Number Four told Mr. Epstein 
how old she was. 
Q 
In respond to his question about her 
age? 
A 
Yes. I'm sorry. Mr. Epstein asked her 
age and she informed Mr. Epstein of her true age 
at the time. 
Q 
Now during -- you mentioned that the 
first massage that the two of them were together, 
Jane Does Four and Five, and did Mr. Epstein 
masturbate in front of them at that time? 
A 
Yes, he did, and I should say that Mr. 
Epstein requested them to remove their clothing 
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during that massage as well. 
Q 
Okay. And did he ever instruct Jane Doe 
Number Four to play with his nipples? 
A 
Yes. 
Q 
You said that Jane Doe Number Four 
returned after that first massage, correct? 
A 
Yes. 
Q 
How was she contacted to set up those 
later massages? 
A 
Jane Doe Number Four was contacted by 
Sarah Kellen. 
Q 
Via telephone? 
A 
Via telephone, yes. 
Q 
Did Jane Doe Number Four bring anyone 
else to Jeffrey Epstein's home? 
A 
Jane Doe Number Four brought Jane Doe 
Number Six. Jane Doe Number Four and Jane Doe 
Number Six performed the massage together and then 
Jane Doe Number Four was asked to leave. 
At that point, the sexual activity that 
was performed on Jane Doe Number Six by Mr. 
Epstein was the digital penetration of Jane Doe 
Number Six's vagina as well as the use of a 
massager slash vibrator on Jane Doe Number Six's 
vagina. He did masturbate. 
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