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, was 
interviewed at One Saint Andrews Plaza, New York, New York. Present for the 
interview was Assistant United States Attorney 
and Special Agent 
. After being advised of the identities of the above listed 
individuals and the nature of the interview, 
provided the following 
information: 
friend 
introduced her to GHISLAINE MAXWELL. 
visited MAXWELL at her place in 
. MAXWELL treated 
they were sisters, "like naughty schoolgirls". MAXWELL was nice to 
and seemed interested in her. MAXWELL talked about her boyfriend JEFFREY 
EPSTEIN. MAXWELL told 
, "I know how much he's going to like you". 
EPSTEIN visited 
like 
and MAXWELL called 
to drop everything and 
come to her place. EPSTEIN was in sweatpants and a t-shirt talking on the 
phone. When EPSTEIN got off the phone, MAXWELL gave EPSTEIN a "résumé" of 
attributes, saying things like "she's so pretty and she's so 
strong," referring to 
. MAXWELL told 
to massage EPSTEIN's 
shoulders so she did. EPSTEIN made a comment, "I thought she was just 
blowing smoke up my ass." MAXWELL said, "Oh, I'll tell you when you come 
back." MAXWELL asked 
, "Since you're so strong, I'd appreciate if 
you could give Jeffrey a massage because he needs a massage everyday...I'd 
get in trouble." MAXWELL showed 
to a room, where EPSTEIN was in a 
robe. EPSTEIN took off the robe, got on the bed, and 
massaged him. 
EPSTEIN turned over and 
saw he had an erection. EPSTEIN stated, 
"Well that doesn't make you uncomfortable, does it?". EPSTEIN touched 
and put her hand on his penis. 
EPSTEIN and MAXWELL invited 
to Palm Beach, Paris, New York, and 
the Virgin Islands. EPSTEIN put 
in an apartment and told her there 
were rules. She was not allowed to have men in the apartment. EPSTEIN told 
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her, "I don't want men where I've been." 
Every time 
met EPSTEIN, there were varying degrees of sexual 
behavior. EPSTEIN grabbed her, pulled her to his lap, and would say, "Are 
you fucking someone; why are you being frosty?". 
felt paralyzed like 
she could not say anything. EPSTEIN would visually shake when he saw 
because he wanted to touch her so much. 
When EPSTEIN wanted 
to do something she did not want to do, 
MAXWELL would minimize and say things like "don't be silly". 
In New York, 
massaged EPSTEIN. These massages involved sexual 
encounters where EPSTEIN groped 
and used a "massage thing" on her 
genitals. 
stated, "It was unpleasant." 
In Palm Beach, MAXWELL showed 
to the room she would be staying 
in. There was a school girl uniform on the bed. 
confronted MAXWELL. 
MAXWELL told her, "Oh I thought it'd be adorable if you took Jeffrey his 
tea. Don't be so frigid." 
put the outfit on; she did not know what 
to do. 
saw EPSTEIN's martial arts trainer there. EPSTEIN slapped her 
"ass", reached under under her skirt, and touched her. 
stated, "By the time they get to the sex acts, you have no fight 
left; they've demoralized you." 
EPSTEIN used a "vibrator/massage thing" on her. If 
shut down, 
EPSTEIN would call her frigid. EPSTEIN told her, "If you won't tell me what 
you like, we'll just have to try things to see what you like." 
knew MAXWELL to be EPSTEIN's girlfriend. EPSTEIN was allowed to 
fool around but not have sex with others. 
talked about a time where there was a massage table and EPSTEIN 
pulled her under her skirt. 
pushed EPSTEIN away. EPSTEIN grabbed her 
shoulders, threw her on the bed, and before she knew it EPSTEIN was inside 
of her. 
was crying and she froze. EPSTEIN told her, "That's not my 
deal with Ghislaine; you've made me cheat on her." The rest of the trip 
EPSTEIN kept doing the same thing. 
"checked out". 
In 
, MAXWELL asked 
if she knew anyone who could give 
EPSTEIN a blowjob because MAXWELL did not feel like giving him one. MAXWELL 
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told her, "They have to look young at least." 
assumed that young 
meant younger than herself. One day, 
went to MAXWELL's and saw a 
girl there named 
remembered trying to get 
to leave. 
EPSTEIN did not like anyone who did drugs. EPSTEIN liked "wholesome young 
girls"; he liked "pureness". EPSTEIN did not like girls who were damaged. 
described EPSTEIN as being dismissive and then other times he 
would recognize something she did and it would be nice. 
MAXWELL either came to visit 
or sent her a gift for her 18th 
birthday. 
described that it was like being in a "weird sick family". 
MAXWELL was always asking for 
help. MAXWELL asked her to bring 
girls. MAXWELL asked 
for sexual favors for EPSTEIN. 
When 
was approximately 18 or 19 years old, MAXWELL asked her if 
she knew anyone that could massage EPSTEIN. MAXWELL told her that she knew 
the ones he liked. MAXWELL would always ask this while in a normal 
conversation. 
When 
was in Palm Beach, both MAXWELL and EPSTEIN talked with her 
separately about having a child. EPSTEIN always insisted on naked 
sunbathing. EPSTEIN asked 
if she wanted children, then told her that 
they would have to meet his standards. EPSTEIN told her, "I don't want my 
seed to be diluted." MAXWELL told 
that they should find someone for 
EPSTEIN to have a child with. MAXWELL told 
, "Well it can't be you 
because you're getting a bit old." 
stated that a few months after she met MAXWELL, she was given a 
gift for her 18th birthday. 
sexual favors. 
felt like she was being rewarded for the 
was given a really expensive purse. 
MAXWELL periodically reached out to 
asking if 
was 
available for EPSTEIN. MAXWELL was excited to hear that 
MAXWELL told her that they'd hire her. They paid for 
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trip to the Virgin Islands on the pretense of her being EPSTEIN's 
massage therapist. The massages with EPSTEIN were always sexual. EPSTEIN 
would throw $300 near 
recalled seeing a young girl on the 
island, and thought this girl was 
stated she 
thought it was 
because 
told her; 
remembered 
name. [Agent note: 
and 
conversed after 
.] 
could not say that it was 
but recalled that the girl she saw was young; she looked very 
young. 
described the girl a: 
looked similar to 
but younger. 
was not being treated well by MAXWELL and EPSTEIN. They all went 
walking on the beach. EPSTEIN was in the middle between 
and MAXWELL 
and stuck his hands down both of their bikinis. It dawned on 
that 
"it was a them thing". When 
came back from the trip, she had a 
nervous breakdown and 
When 
was in the room with EPSTEIN, it was just she and him in the 
room. MAXWELL would be lurking close by. MAXWELL would say things like, "Oh 
how was it? Is Mr. Epstein happy?". MAXWELL always talked about blow job 
lessons and blow job parties. MAXWELL said that it needed to be a revolving 
door. MAXWELL would say, "You know how he is when he's not happy and you 
know what makes him happy. He has to have sex all the time; he's like a 
super hero." 
One time in Palm Beach when 
was maybe 18 or 19 years old, she 
recalled ALAN DERSHOWITZ being there. 
recalled this was during the 
same trip that MAXWELL wanted her to wear the school girl outfit. 
talked about a time where EPSTEIN was talking with DERSHOWITZ. 
was sunbathing topless when EPSTEIN told her to come say hi to his 
friend. DERSHOWITZ was bragging and laughing with EPSTEIN about getting 03 
SIMPSON off. They talked about how people on opposite sides were idiots. 
described DERSHOWITZ as creepy; DERSHOWITZ never touched 
had email exchanges from LESELY (know to law enforcement as 
LESLEY GROFF). 
had a hotmail account from which LESLEY contacted her 
on to make travel arrangements. 
gave those emails to her attorney, 
EPSTEIN had an email, "jesvacation". EPSTEIN asked 
for 
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photographs. 
arrangements for 
, and another woman made the travel 
In Paris, EPSTEIN assaulted 
in front of his housekeeper. In New 
York, 
saw EPSTEIN approximately three to four times. EPSTEIN and 
MAXWELL introduced 
to DONALD TRUMP. TRUMP was polite to 
was approximately 20-22 years old. MAXWELL also introduced 
to 
took 
back to the apartment in New York. 
woke up and 
was there and she thought, "Oh no," because 
EPSTEIN had said that there were to be no boys at his places with his girls. 
MAXWELL would call 
and say in a "school girl voice", "Jeffrey 
wants to see you". MAXWELL asked what 
was 17 years old. 
. MAXWELL came to 
schedule was when 
18th birthday party. 
had periodic contact with EPSTEIN and MAXWELL. MAXWELL told 
that she had a wealthy high profile boyfriend. MAXWELL wanted 
to know that she was not with EPSTEIN. 
On or about October 3, 2012, LESLEY emailed 
EPSTEIN a call. The number was 
EPSTEIN; the email account was "jeevacation". 
asking her to give 
received emails from 
email was 
When 
talked with EPSTEIN, he acted like he cared about her life, 
but as soon as she started talking he would cut her off and ask when she was 
coming to see him. 
has been working with attorney 
five years. 
got in touch with him because 
to Florida to help with a case. 
did not know called her and told her that she 
for approximately 
she was thinking of coming 
when a man she 
had a beautiful baby girl and 
told her that she should keep out of anything that is not her business. This 
man told her that he did not want to make another call like this because the 
next one wouldn't be so nice. After she received that call, 
told 
that she could not assist with the case. 
was not sure when she first learned of EPSTEIN's investigation. 
knew that he was supposed to be in prison but EPSTEIN sent her an 
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email while he was supposed to be there. MAXWELL told 
that a massage 
therapist was angry that she was fired. 
understood this to be what 
he was going to prison for. 
feels that MAXWELL is just as responsible as EPSTEIN. MAXWELL was 
the one responsible for telling girls how to do things and what to say. 
stated, "A lot of us were underage; she was responsible for a lot of 
the grooming." 
described MAXWELL as a manipulator who acts sweet. 
felt less afraid now that EPSTEIN was deceased. EPSTEIN did not 
value human life. 
In the interest of time, not all subject matter was covered during this 
interview. 
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