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PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. 
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PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. 
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PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. 
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By the way, did your daughter ever say that 
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Mr. Epstein ever hit her? 
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No. 
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Ever say that he gave her drugs? 
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Not directly, no. 
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Ever say that he physically hurt her? 
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Physically hurt her? No. 
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Yes. 
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Was there ever anything that your daughter 
asked that she be permitted to do with Mr. Epstein that 
you forbad her to do? 
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No. 
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Page 175 
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What you're describing as normal with your 
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kids is telling your kids, call me to let me know that 
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you're not dead and in a dumpster yet; is that right? 
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No. Actually, I've said that to my daughter 
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because she disappears. 
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And that's been a consistent problem, correct? 
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Not until recent. 
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What do you mean by recently? 
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Not until after her escapades with Jeffrey 
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Epstein. That's when she really became out of control. 
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That's when she ran off with this 
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and went to 
right? 
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Yep. 
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Okay. But had a baby with him, right? 
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Mr. Epstein doesn't have anything to do with 
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any of that, does he? 
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: Object to the form. 
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BY MR. LUTTIER: 
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Wasn't around for any of that, was he, ma'am? 
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I don't know. 
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paw:, 178 
MR. LUTTIER: Okay. Let me take a break and 
might be done. 
VIDEOGRAPHER: Going off the record at 12:29 
p.m. 
(Brief recess.) 
VIDEOGRAPHER: We are back on the record at 
12:39 p.m. 
BY MR. LUTTIER: 
Q. 
Other than the occasions that you took your 
daughter to the -- to the location in Palm Beach where 
you said Mr. Epstein lived, have you ever taken your 
daughter anybody place else to meet Mr. Epstein? 
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No. 
Q. 
Have you described for me in this deposition 
all personal contact, that is, one-on-one contact you've 
had with Mr. Epstein? 
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Just one time. 
Q. 
And I meant, which would either be when you, 
personally, saw him or you, personally, spoke to the 
person who you believe is him --
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No. I'm talking about when I physically was 
on his property in his driveway. 
Q. 
And have you described for me in this 
deposition all occasions when you've personally spoken 
with him on the phone? 
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Yeah. 
Q. 
Has your daughter told you anything else about 
Mr. Epstein, other than what you've told me --
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No. 
Q. 
-- during this deposition? 
MR. LUTTIER: I don't have any other 
questions. 
MR. 
: I don't have lien 
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