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Present for the interview were 
attorneys. Also present was AUSA Alexander FM 
AUSA Alison M, Detective Paul S 
and Special Agent Amanda 
In New York, massages for JEFFREY EPSTEIN were scheduled around the same times, usually around 
11:00 AM and 4:00/5:00 PM. LESLEY GROFF would be the one who would communicate with those 
giving the massage. 
would stay at her apartment during the day and sleep at his house at 
night. When 
would leave in the morning, she would see people waiting. They were younger 
women. 
did not know if they were underage but thought they were around her age. They 
came in normal street clothes. 
saw 1O1O escorting them upstairs in the elevator. 
may have overheard that they were there to massage. 
did not know how she 
knew but it seemed they were there to massage. They were similar looking women to those 
saw in Palm Beach. JOJO and LYNN FONTANILA, who were married to each other, were at this 
residence. 
thought this was around 2004. In the later years, LESLEY GROFF worked at the 
house. LYNN would keep a piece of paper with the first name of the women with appointments coming 
in. 
thought LYNN had since passed away. 
After EPSTEIN was in jail in the mid-2000's and was on house arrest, EPSTEIN and 
spent time 
in New York when he was allowed to travel. EPSTEIN told 
that he was not going to "do that" 
which meant no massages. EPSTEIN felt that he would be a target. 
In New Mexico, it was pretty quiet. 
did not think that EPSTEIN had anyone coming to 
massage him. EPSTEIN traveled with women to New Mexico. There was a massage room in this 
residence. 
In the Virgin Islands, one or two women would give EPSTEIN a massage. 
thought they were 
licensed masseuses. EPSTEIN would go into the massage room with a woman. 
As far as 
knew, the people that worked for EPSTEIN in his homes did not massage him. 
EPSTEIN's assistants did give him massages. 
did not know if his assistants only gave 
massages or were also involved with him. 
believed that 
was sexually 
involved with him at some point. 
was also involved with EPSTEIN. 
thought 
that most of the women that traveled with EPSTEIN were involved sexually with him. 
believed that 
was sexually involved with EPSTEIN but thought that stopped at some 
point. EPSTEIN told 
that it stopped with 
saying that he was "no longer playing with 
her". 
started dating someone from London; 
thought this was before EPSTEIN went 
to jail. 
EPSTEIN used the word "family" when referring to them. 
thought the only person EPSTEIN 
saw as an equal was GHISLAINE MAXWELL. EPSTEIN and MAXWELL had real conversations. EPSTEIN 
respected MAXWELL. 
and 
were all dependent on EPSTEIN. 
felt "the longer you were around, it was harder to give up or get out". 
did not 
know how 
was able to get out. After 
left in 2010, she could see a difference; it felt 
like she had a new life. 
shared that with 
and other women that it felt different. 
met her current husband (known to law enforcement as 
) and 
felt 
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this helped 
get out. 
left around 2012/2013. There was a woman named 
who 
was around for longer trips with EPSTEIN then left. 
known to law enforcement as 
and her sister, known to law enforcement as 
, traveled with EPSTEIN for a while. 
thought they stayed after she had left. 
was around when 
first met EPSTEIN. 
left and went back to South Africa. 
came back 
and worked for EPSTEIN after his house arrest. 
and quite abusive. 
told 
that EPSTEIN was hard on MI 
EPSTEIN had some of the women involved with other women. EPSTEIN seemed to like it. Many of the 
women 
has talked about were involved with other women. 
thought that 
was involved with other women. 
photo was in EPSTEIN's massage room in New 
York. 
was wearing a wedding band and EPSTEIN seemed to like that. EPSTEIN told 
that 
was with other women. 
did not think 
was with other women when she 
was around. EPSTEIN described a sexual experience he had with 
met him. 
and 
were not close. 
with other women. 
had vented frustrations to 
that happened before 
did not know if 
was involved 
that EPSTEIN was unreasonable and tough. 
did 
share with 
any instances of physical abuse by EPSTEIN. 
When 
was at a casting in Prague, either JEAN LUC BRUNEL or someone else came to this 
casting. 
was around 16 years old. 
was asked to apply for a tourist visa but it was 
denied. 
then applied for a work visa and it was approved. 
met BRUNEL at a 
dinner party in September. BRUNEL traveled regularly with EPSTEIN. 
did not know how 
close EPSTEIN and BRUNEL were. BRUNEL encouraged 
to do things to EPSTEIN including 
massaging EPSTEIN's feet and being good to EPSTEIN; it was clear BRUNEL approved. BRUNEL and 
EPSTEIN had a close relationship in that they talked very sexual about women. In early 2004, BRUNEL 
brought a really young girl to the island. 
thought this girl was around 15 years old. EPSTEIN 
commented about this girl and 
being 10 years apart in age. BRUNEL and EPSTEIN would share 
stories about women they had sexual experiences with. 
BRUNEL's modeling agency paid for things for 
and logged them as debt she owed. 
thought EPSTEIN repaid her debt because she was no longer asked about it. 
work visa was through the agency. 
had the sense that EPSTEIN could have deported her 
with one phone call to BRUNEL. EPSTEIN told 
that he gave BRUNEL one million dollars to 
keep 
in the country. EPSTEIN had an immigration lawyer, PARDA BESKARDES, who he 
referred people to help with their visas. EPSTEIN used this to his advantage. EPSTEIN referred 
and 
some women from Russia EPSTEIN helped BRUNELL bring into the United States on tourist visas. 
was not aware of any marriages EPSTEIN may have coordinated. 
did not 
remember EPTSTEIN being present with her and this lawyer. 
There was a short brunette-haired girl that traveled with BRUNEL, but for the most part BRUNEL 
traveled alone. 
BRUNEL sued EPSTEIN. 
recalled thinking this was a publicity stunt. EPSTEIN expressed 
disappointment about this. BRUNEL visited EPSTEIN often while he was in jail. 
renewed her 
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visa through BRUNEL's agency. At a later date, when her visa was up for renewal BRUNEL and EPSTEIN 
said that they would not renew it. In 2011, 
started her own company and worked on her 
own. EPSTEIN was not involved in her company. EPSTEIN did help 
financially and 
put the money she received toward her company. 
There were stories of MAXWELL being sexually involved with women. 
did not have first 
hand knowledge of this. There were conversations that EPSTEIN and MAXWELL had in group settings. 
saw photographs of MAXWELL throughout EPSTEIN's house. 
remembered girls coming to EPSTEIN's home for massages. It was reasonable to 
to think that these girls were paid. 
did not remember if she ever saw money on the table. 
While 
was in the room, she did not remember seeing an exchange of money. When EPSTEIN 
would step out of the room with a girl, 
thought he was just talking or connecting with her. 
Looking back on it now, 
thought it was to pay them. There were women in Florida like 
that 
remembered seeing. 
interacted with =I. 
knew ME was 
there to massage EPSTEIN. 
felt embarrassed and naïve because EPSTEIN made her believe 
that 
wanted to be there for 
also recalled feeling the same about 
and =. 
recalled a time that there was a vibrator that she and EPSTEIN used. EPSTEIN did not want 
to have the vibrator at the house anymore. It was the vibrator that EPSTEIN had and 
EPSTEIN told 
to get rid of it and not to ask why. 
did not remember 
conversations about pictures being removed. 
recalled EPSTEIN had a probation officer that he did not like transferred. EPSTEIN shared 
this with 
and seemed proud of himself. 
There was a woman, CRYSTAL WALSH, whom EPSTEIN hired to work in the office in Florida while he was 
on work release. EPSTEIN and WALSH had a falling out. EPSTEIN told 
that WALSH tried to 
blackmail him and he gave her $50,000. 
was told by a friend that WALSH contacted EPSTEIN 
a couple months before the current investigation into EPSTEIN and tipped him off. 
was told 
that WALSH had the information and warned him. 
recalled walking into the New York office and saw people shredding papers. 
did 
not remember when this occurred. 
EPSTEIN shared with 
that he felt as though he was being watched. 
told EPSTEIN 
that she wanted to do something about the press. 
had an idea but EPSTEIN told her to hold 
off because there may be something more substantial. 
and 
vented a lot to each other about EPSTEIN. 
felt that both she and 
were blinded and did not think there was some massive sex trafficking ring going on. 
and 
thought for years that it was a witch hunt for a wealthy man. In recent years, 
shared with 
some of the physical abuse by EPSTEIN. 
surprised. 
did not share the same experience. 
seemed somewhat 
EPSTEIN and MAXWELL talked about sex. In a group setting with other girls, MAXWELL talked about oral 
sex. This was at the island table. MAXWELL had a specific move she liked to talk about. MAXWELL 
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recommended books to read, including books like "Story of 0", and something like "Lessons or Advice of 
a Wife to a Mistress". MAXWELL was reading this book and told 
and other girls to read. 
did not recall who all was there for this conversation. 
did not recall if the 
conversation about sex and the books was on the same day. 
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