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Present for the interview was 
attorney. Also present for the interview was AUSA 
AUSA 
and Special Agent
. 
Message Pads — SA03008 - Message Pad dated 4/1/05 - 2x8 
knew this to mean it referenced a 
teenage girl. 
wrote this message. GHISLAINE MAXWELL was in the house and stated, "Oh, this is a 
funny message". Either MAXWELL made 
rewrite it or MAXWELL rewrote it herself. The 
message meant that there was a potential teenage girl for EPSTEIN to meet. 
saw on Twitter that ALAN DERSHOWITZ stated that he was with his wife and kids when he was 
at EPSTEIN's home. 
met DERSHOWITZ and he was alone in the house with no wife and no kids 
when he received a massage. 
Message Pad — SAO01446 dated 2/28/05. This message referenced school. 
remembered 
taking this call. 
did not know the name, but knew the call was in reference to scheduling a 
massage. 
would have used the initial "M" when initially her name back then. 
was shown a series of copies of messages and asked about her recollection of each, all of 
which are attached in a 1A. 
MESSAGES — Page 1 
On this page, ".." initials are written. 
advised those initials could have been ALFRED 
RODRIGUEZ. 
recalled that he had message books in his room when he left. 
saw them; 
took them from the room. 
MESSAGES — Page 2 
did not recognize the handwriting of these messages. 
does know "M". 
M, 
known to law enforcement as 
lived in New York and shared an apartment with 
did not know 
well. 
thought that 
had been 
volunteering building house in Costa Rica or something similar. In the New York residence, there was 
gift left from 
it was a female picture of her bottom. 
abruptly left. 
had heard 
stories that she was throwing up, had an eating disorder, and she had lied. 
traveled to 
Puerto Rico because 
was pregnant and 
was helping 
met 
older sister 
known to law enforcement as 
on EPSTEIN's island. 
thought 
was of age. 
did not have much interaction with 
recognized 
in the news recently. 
MESSAGES — Page 3 
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recognized the name ' 
". EPSTEIN came downstairs with 
thought _was 
present. 
recalled 
telling a story of driving fast and being pulled 
over by the police and her dad had to get her. 
MESSAGES — Page 4 
The upper left message, with the name 
on it, 
thought may have been written 
by 
ad "loopy" handwriting. In reference to the message with MARK EPSTEIN on it, at 
the time EPSTEIN had a disagreement with his brother about a hospital bill or something similar. 
MESSAGES — Page 5 
recognized the name "DARREN", known to law enforcement as DARREN INDYKE, as 
one of EPSTEIN's attorneys in New York. 
recognized the name " 
' and stated that it 
could be 
or a different 
flew on EPSTEIN's plane from New York 
to Palm Beach. The other 
had a neck injury. 
MESSAGES — Page 6 
did not recognize the names on these messages. 
MESSAGES — Page 7 
recognized the name' 
recruited girls in New York. 
shared an apartment with 
find girls. 
' and thought it could be 
traveled with JEAN LUC BRUNEL to Russia. 
who had stated that she was helping 
talked about HENRY JARECKI as someone EPSTEIN thought of as a friend. 
heard that he had a girlfriend named 
saw a picture online of JARECKI with 
and 
MESSAGES — Page 8 
The messages are titled "Mr. Epstein". The house staff was more formal. Everyone in personal 
life referred to EPSTEIN as "Jeffrey". 
MESSAGES — Page 9 
The message with 'S" 
on it, 
thought was in reference to 
remembered ' 
did not remember if 
had a girl with her or 
not. 
originally thought the messages were written by 
but on closer look did not think 
it was her because the number "7" in the messages was written in a very European way. 
MESSAGES — Page 10 
Message pad with "Jeffrey E. Epstein" on it. EPSTEIN had these notepads with his name on 
them throughout all of his different residences. These notepads were kept stored in New York. 
MAXWELL had notepads with her name on them as well. There were also notepads with "Little St. 
James" or "Little St. Jeff" on them. The name "=" 
on the notepad could have been a girl who 
massaged EPSTEIN. 
remembered 
wanting to speak to EPSTEIN about college. 
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MESSAGES — Page 11 
thought the writing of these messages could have been hers. 
would leave 
messages in the kitchen for him and/or the transitional pantry area. 
MESSAGES — Page 12 
recognized these messages as her own handwriting. 
was told to confirm 
appointments. 
was an individual who traveled with EPSTEIN. 
and 
gave messages to 
or whoever was traveling with EPSTEIN. 
MESSAGES — Page 13 
did not recognize the handwriting of these messages. 
MESSAGES — Page 14 
recognized the name 
as the girl who was pregnant. 
recognized the 
as the girl that had a neck injury who also traveled from New York to Palm 
name '• 
Beach. 
MESSAGES — Page 15 
recognized these messages as her handwriting. 
was either confirming the 
massage appointments or this was a to-do list on who to call. 
MESSAGES — Page 16 
did not recognize the handwriting, but did state that she felt it was someone with a 
European background due to the way the number 7 is written. 
Both EPSTEIN and MAXWELL's stationary was in different places throughout the houses. MAXWELL's 
stationary was by a large desk that she used or was in an area near the computer. 
When in New York preparing to travel to Palm Beach, 
would be the one who would primarily call 
to schedule massages. nave 
a list of t ings to do. EPSTEIN wanted 
to confirm 
the night before or the morning of a scheduled massage. EPSTEIN would be in front of the computer in 
Palm Beach or his island when he gave 
a list of things to do and people to call. Sometimes 
EPSTEIN would let 
sit on meetings and LESLEY GROFF would be there in New York. 
was trained on how to make calls fro 
. 
reported directly to= 
gave 
a list on traveling to Palm Beach an pieces of paper to confirm massage appointments. 
kept papers in the desk she used but later they were gone. 
thought Mad 
gotten rid of them. 
recalled a girl named = 
who EPSTEIN wanted to find help for her SAT. =tasked 
for baby purchases for 
. 
would call a person and ask about someone else to 
massage EPSTEIN. 
thought she recalled asking this person about a specific name of someone 
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else. 
did not remember ever asking if they knew other girls. 
was always told who to 
call or who to ask about. 
remembered 
known to law enforcement as 
would come with 
other girls, and would stay in the kitchen or downstairs while the other girl would massage. 
remembered 
with other girls, but did not remember specifics. 
did not remember specific examples but thought she saw payments. EPSTEIN grabbed cash 
and went upstairs during massage sessions. There were piles of $100 dollar bills. Money was put back 
in a duffle bag. In Palm Beach and on the island, the duffle bag was kept by EPSTEIN's desk. In Palm 
Beach, the desk was in the living room near the bookshelf. EPSTEIN had a cabana desk. 
was given $1000 in petty cash. 
then gave this report to the accountant. 
had to type up a report to account for it. 
had a feeling that she had knowledge that both girls, the one who brought the girl and the one 
who gave the massage, were both paid. 
did not remember exactly though. 
recalled there was two girls named 
one in Palm Beach and one in Florida. The 
in 
Palm Beach stayed around more. MEI and a girl named 
would often stay behind and chat. 
MI brought another friend, who 
thought was named 
. This friend was into 
photography and brought a flower picture. 
talked with DAVID COPPERFIELD once. 
would 
chat with EPSTEIN. 
and EPSTEIN would also be in the kitchen. 
was trying to get 
into college in using a SAT tutor. When 
was working in the New York office in MAXWELL's 
townhouse, 
was told to look into it getting 
a tutor. 
needed to buy books for 
or her friend and ship them. The books did not arrive in time and EPSTEIN became really upset 
with 
. When 
was on the island, there was a stationary computer she used and saw a 
quick glance of the Palm Beach 
social media. 
EPSTEIN gave books to 
. These books included "Women are from Venus, Men are from Mars", 
"Stocks for Dummies", and a book about a woman's cycle and body. -gave 
-a 
book 
called "Story of Old". 
recalled being in a BARNES AND NOBLE with EPSTEIN in New York and 
Palm Beach. 
could have picked books up when ordering. 
In Palm Beach, when girls stayed and talked, they also received adjustments from a female chiropractor. 
In New York, 
remembered a girl named l=, 
known to law enforcement as 
who was a model with a good agency. 
showed 
shoes she received from EPSTEIN as a 
gift. 
would come and see EPSTEIN. 
thought 
was a young model around 17 years 
old. 
traveled to New Mexico and Palm Beach. 
recalled a time where LARRY SOMMERS was visiting at the time in EPSTEIN's New York house. 
There was a very long meeting with EPSTIEN in the upstairs living room. 
was helping serve 
drinks and food. 
recalled being in in EPSTEIN's New York house in the waiting room, which was 
to the left when entering the house, when 
came in. 
was dressed as though she 
had come from an event. 
told 
that she was looking for girls for EPSTEIN. 
also helped find a chef and 
said they found pornography or something similar. 
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recalled a time where PRINCE ANDREW had breakfast with EPSTEIN. There was a young 
ballerina dancer that curtsied when EPSTEIN introduced her to PRINCE ANDREW. 
thought this 
girl was introduced by 
but 
was not sure. 
had a sexual encounter with EPSTEIN and 
was going to the GYN and the 
GYN asked about sexual partners. In the car, 
told EPSTEIN and 
and told 
that she had to disclose. 
said something like, "What about all of the girls that Jeffrey has". 
In New York,nas 
always with EPSTEIN. New York was 
home base. Palm Beach was 
home base. 
had a studio apartment at 
treet. Pilots also stayed at 
this location and 
had an apartment at this location as well. 
did not recall having meals together with EPSTEIN and others in Palm Beach. While on the 
island, things were more scheduled and meals were shared together. EPSTEIN would snack as opposed 
to sit down for meals. In New York, they ate out more and when it was around six or seven in the 
evening she would go home to her apartment. In Palm Beach, 
stayed in EPSTEIN's house on 
the second floor. 
tayed above the garage towards the front of the street. Occasionally, 
stayed in t is room too. 
took photographs of 
cataloged all the photographs and kept them in 
MAXWELL's townhouse where they worked. There was a Mac computer with a large printer. 
had a laptop. 
had large binders to organize the photographs. There were a lot of nude 
photographs of women posing in each of his houses. 
thought that she had a camera because 
she remembered taking photographs of EPSTEIN's goddaughter 
and EPSTEIN playing 
chess. 
remembered she and =taking 
photos at the pool, but did not remember who 
took the photos. 
did not remember taking nude photographs. 
met MAXWELL because EPSTEIN tasked 
to buy toiletries for guests staying at the 
ocation. 
came to learn that MAXWELL was EPSTEIN's former girlfriend. MAXWELL 
bought furniture around the world for EPSTEIN. EPSTEIN delivered the news of MAXWELL's father's 
death. MAXWELL gave instruction to house managers. 
remembered seeing MAXWELL in Palm 
Beach and on the island, but saw her a lot more in New York. In Palm Beach, EPSTEIN had a large 
bedroom with two bathrooms. MAXWELL had her belongings in his houses and closets. MAXWELL told 
to do things and tasks. 
did not like MAXWELL and tried to avoid her. MAXWELL was 
not a nice person. MAXWELL always had the house manager in tears. 
manager was from the Philippines and had twins or young kids. 
worked for MAXWELL. 
was an assistant who worked at the house and 
worked out of the 
New York office. There was a setup of three desks at the office. Mseemed close with MAXWELL. 
EPSTEIN gifted 
with a fur coat that was kept at MAXWELL's house. 
worked for EPSTEIN. 
worked for 
with EPSTEIN as her overall boss. 
thought the house 
and 
MAXWELL participated in threesomes when EPSTEIN was her boyfriend. 
recalled a time in 
New Mexico where she traveled to a spa and said, "Oh if you find a pretty girl, get her number and she 
can give a massage to EPSTEIN". MAXWELL was a very strong person. 
recalled a time where 
she traveled to Florida and her phone was not working. 
called 
to connect her to 
MAXWELL. 
had to talk to 
about MAXWELL being upset because 
took up 
MAXWELL's assistant's time. 
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In Palm Beach, 
called and scheduled massage appointments for EPSTEIN. This seemed like a 
regular activity. In New York= 
scheduled massage appointments; 
did not schedule in 
New York. EPSTEIN received massages twice a day everyday. mould 
also have to schedule and 
confirm massage appointments. EPSTEIN would tell them that MAXWELL could get something if they 
could not because MAXWELL was persuasive. 
=came 
across as condescending to 
EPSTEIN would tell 
how ungrateful she 
was in not saying thank you. EPSTEIN said something similar to 
when she received a haircut and 
did not say thank you to EPSTEIN. 
was told to tell 
to pack up and leave the apartment. 
told EPSTEIN that she would never get an abortion and EPSTEIN asked what if the baby had 
Down Syndrome or she was raped. EPSTEIN liked to play mind games. On the island, 
was sick 
with a fever, when EPSTEIN came in the room and said, "Wake up lazy fuck". On one of 
days 
off, EPSTEIN left her a message and he was very upset. EPSTEIN made her sit on the floor and do a 
pedicure. EPSTEIN obsessed about 
putting on his eye cream; if she missed a day he would get 
upset. There was a time on the island where EPSTEIN said that despite the guy being married, he was 
gay. EPSTEIN said this gentleman needed to spend more time with 
and 
This man's 
wife was DIANE VON FURSTENBERG. EPSTEIN called 
a Polish Nazi. 
On the island and in New Mexico, along with one time in Palm Beach, 
massage and it would lead to sexual contact with EPSTEIN. Another girl, 
massages. 
would have to give a 
also gave 
There was a time where 
was asked to travel to Boston. EPSTEIN often went to HARVARD. 
thought the trip there was a short flight on his Gulfstream. The bed was made. When there 
was nudity and a sexual encounter, EPSTEIN wanted to have sex and if 
Other times, 
was involved in the sexual encounters and 
sexual encounters were predominantly associated with massages. In 
to do it but went along with it. There was a very strange situation that happened on the plane when 
EPSTEIN grabbed 
by the neck and shook her hard. 
did not remember EPSTEIN being 
forceful with the sexual encounters. 
was 20/21 years old and stated that it was consensual. 
EPSTEIN sometimes told 
that she had massaging duty. 
was confused that this was 
part of her role. 
did not see Mive 
massages. 
EPSTEIN flew 
parents in as a surprise. 
was not happy with this because he had 
access to her parents. At a prior time, EPSTEIN and 
talked about her Polish background and 
EPSTEIN had said the last name of her grandmother. 
knew at this point he had done research 
on her family and background. 
A Department of State Agent 
flew on EPSTEIN's plane and asked who all of the girls were. 
EPSTEIN told 
that she should ask 
about her immigration status. EPSTEIN also told her to 
talk to INDYKE, but INDYKE could not help. 
said no, he stopped. 
initiated them. The 
mind she did not want 
EPSTEIN first told 
that she had massage duty when they were on his island together. 
could not recall how it progressed to sexual contact. 
felt the sexual encounter with 
was planned. 
initiated the contact with EPSTEIN and 
had approximately 
five encounters with the two of them together. EPSTEIN joked that 
was his gay girlfriend. 
There was one time where EPSTEIN was not present and 
initiated sexual contact. 
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gave 
a massage. 
also gave a massage to a girl who flew into the island. 
did not know this girl's name. 
met this girl at St. Barts, where this girl was a sales 
associate. This girl did not look underage to 
. =flew 
this girl in. 
recalled a time where 
the house manager, asked her to come downstairs. EPSTEIN 
asked 
to run him a bath. 
was in the room topless. 
touched 
talked about a conversation with EPSTEIN in which he talked with her about keeping men 
happy. 
took this as flirting or giving sexual favors. 
did not respond. 
EPSTEIN introduced the DUBINS to 
. EPSTEIN introduced 
as his cousin to them and to 
other people. When 
looked up the word "cousin" in slang, it meant prostitute. 
was 
upset by this. She felt that EPSTEIN was propositioning her. 
There was a time where they flew into Aspen and 
and other girls went shopping. They 
gestured to 
and she thought they were totalking a out her. 
ANDREW FARKAS introduced a Sultan from Dubai to EPSTEIN. 
was there on the phone with 
and EPSTEIN telling her what to say. 
lived in New Yor . EPSTEIN was telling her not to 
think about it too long. They were going to the hotel to meet up. This was in New York. They were all 
in the car with JOJO driving. 
thought that she had met 
and saw her in New York. 
described 
as Middle Eastern. 
talked about a time when EPSTEIN, 
and 
with her dog, flew into Miami. 
met them at a meeting point and was asked to entertain 
while EPSTEIN and 
went somewhere else. They were all standing in front of a building. EPSTEIN had helped 
with 
her Soho house in Miami Beach. EPSTEIN told 
that she could be a real estate agent. EPSTEIN 
had 
meet up with a developer/architect. 
'Id 
that she had to drive to meet 
someone in Palm Beach. EPSTEIN told 
that something would happen with her visa, but 
did not remember everything about this. 
thought something had happened to 
EPSTEIN's detriment. 
gave 
the number of the person she was supposed to meet. 
was rushing there. JANUSZ BASHNIEK and another gentleman, PAUL, were there. They were 
grabbing computers and notebooks. 
was to follow up with the gentleman on when to get the 
items back. They were to be given to someone named DETECTIVE 
and to be returned when he 
was done with them. 
gave the computers and notebooks to PAUL. JB found more books. 
called PAUL or he was still there and she gave them to him. 
thought that the 
instruction came from 
because she gave 
traveled on to the island. 
the phone number. 
thought they 
After this,asked 
to gather books on the island and to bring them back from the island. 
reminded 
to go in all the locations and huts. 
brought these items back from 
the island and to New York and gave them to_. 
Sometimes when 
traveled to the island 
she went with EPSTEIN and other times she flew from Miami to Puerto Rico to the Virgin Islands. There 
was a driver that too her from the marina by boat. 
gave the books to 
in MAXWELL's 
house. There was a printout of a more recent copy. 
told 
to s red it in MAXWELL's 
house. 
recalled having a feeling that it was all strange. 
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recalled in EPSTEIN's duffle bag he kept a tape recorder. 
saw it on and turned it off. 
In the beginning of 2006, 
saw EPSTEIN reach for the tape recorder and slip it into his bathrobe. 
The initial promise EPSTEIN made to 
was for her to work for him, learn things like stocks and 
the business world. Working for EPSTEIN was stressful for 
the verbal assaults grew and she 
never felt good working for him. 
told =that 
she was resigning. I
flid not take her 
seriously. At the time, EPSTEIN's accountant resigned, and she told EPSTEIN that she had resigned too. 
did not think EPSTEIN took her serious) either. 
received calls from then in 2006. 
traveled to Paris with them, where 
met with a former boyfriend. 
s, 
then 
traveled to Poland. EPSTEIN asked her to go to Dubai but she did not go. EPSTEIN told her they did not
need passports, which 
thought was strange. 
recalled a Cuba trip where 
kissed FIDEL CASTRO's cheek. 
was called in by INDYKE, who told her that if she ever needed help to contact him and never 
talk to the police. 
recalled feeling that something was off. 
EPSTEIN had a tape recorder and 
recalled him asking if she ever beat someone up. EPSTEIN 
also said to her, "Oh you don't enjoy fooling around with 
and me". 
recalled when EPSTEIN initiated the sexual encounters, telling her that this is what her job was 
all along. 
felt that once EPSTEIN flipped, she knew that she could not scream or say no. 
knew that EPSTEIN had a gun by the bed. 
recalled feeling that she had no where to 
go because she was on the island. 
knew EPSTEIN had guns. EPSTEIN gave 
a gun once 
for safety purposes. 
remembered the time where the gun was taken. 
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