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I.D. OM reference case number05-368. The tine now, by my watch, is 
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approximately 6 minutes past 2pm on 3/15105. (Inaudible) High Ridge Family 
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Present also is.. could you state your name 
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Spell your name please? 
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And your date of birth? 
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:amity Therapist. 
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Could you spell your name please? 
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And you're her family therapist? Am I correct? 
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Okay. I'm here today; 
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reference to an Incident that happened to a friend of yours, o• a girl you Know. 
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Okay. You, at no time, touched his penis? 
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At no time did I touch his penis. 
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At any time. did he touch you..... 
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And just so I can be sure, you saw him whacking off once. 
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I think, I know, well, I couldn't say I know, but it's the same noises were being 
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made when he was (riaudible). 
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now by my watch is approximately 3:05 
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Afe you lying about anything? 
No. I'll swear on the bible. 
Okay. Swearing to God, that's good enough for me. 
I swear to God. 
Okay. Is them anything else you'd like to talk tome about? 
No, because that's about....nothing else about the whole thing. 
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ID. #8059, reference case number 05-368. The time now, by my watch, is 
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approximately 8 minutes past 2pm on 3:15/05. (Inaudible) 
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wassail in a towel and stuff. 
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Okay. So you get dressed, you go downstairs. Where is that woman again? 
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Downstairs talking to 
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They were having a conversation. 
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Na said ha would love if I coma back sometime but 
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Ha didn't go for it? 
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Et'e not that ha didn't go for it. 
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Okay. And you said you didn't do it. 
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No. Mot that I remember 
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Cid he over ask yoc any quostiona or speak to you 
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Did he eve.: know your real age? 
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Okay. And did she make money? Did IIII make 
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She knew about it and ere ask me if I could toll 
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Uh.hub. 
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I want to reassure you on that. Okay? 
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Okay 
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Rhen you would go back and do 
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Well, no 
I mean I would take my jeans off a lot 
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Is it safe to *sane, that you provided the 
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Yee. 
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Okay. During the massage that you gave him, did 
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Like I moan he would like :ouch my hip or whatever 
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And if Ismerlikeasked, if I ever said I wasn't 
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Okay. You're 19 now though right? 
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