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Police Department as one of the girls who had frequented 
Mr. Epstein's house. 
Q 
How exactly did the Palm Beach Police Department 
determine that she was one of those girls? 
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When they did their search warrant at 
Mr. Epstein's residence, some message pads were obtained 
at his residence, and they had several calls from a girl 
named 
and phone numbers. So they were able to 
track back those messages back to 
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Did the Palm Beach Police Department try to 
interview Miss 
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They did. 
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Did she agree to speak with them? 
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No. She stated that she loved Jeffrey Epstein, 
and that she would not say anything positive or negative 
about what occurred. 
Q 
After the FBI became involved in this 
investigation, did you try to interview Miss 
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We did, as well, with no such luck, as well. 
Q 
How long ago was it that you first made contact 
with Miss 
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It was back in November of '06. 
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Did you try to serve her with a subpoena issued 
on behalf of this grand jury? 
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Yes, we did. 
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What happened? 
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She refused service of the grand jury subpoena. 
But she was notified of when her appearance was expected 
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here, and a subpoena was left with her. 
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After that, did she obtain an attorney? 
Yes, she did. 
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Who was that? 
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He's a well-known defense 
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attorney here in West Palm Beach. 
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Who paid for that attorney? 
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Mr. Epstein is paying for 
attorney. 
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Now once Miss 
"secured the attorney, did 
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she agree to be interviewed? 
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Yes, she did, after she was granted 6001 
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immunity. She requested immunity. 
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Did the justice department authorize that grant 
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of immunity? 
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Yes, they did. 
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After that, did she agree to be interviewed? 
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Yeah. It was only after she was given that 
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immunity that she would talk with us. 
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When did the interview take place? 
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It took place at the end of April of this year, 
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so just a few weeks ago. 
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Who was present at that interview? 
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Myself; my partner, agent 
; the AUSA, 
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; her attorney, Jim Eisenberg, and his 
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investigator; as well as M 
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What did Miss 
tell you about Jeffrey 
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Epstein? 
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She stated that she had met an individual by the 
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name of 
at
a party who had asked her if she 
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wanted to make a few bucks by giving a man a massage. She 
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was told that Mr. Epstein preferred them to be topless, 
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and she agreed to go to his house to give him a massage. 
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How old did Miss 
tell you she was at that 
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time? 
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She stated she was 16 when she first started 
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giving Mr. Epstein massages. 
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Based upon your review of the evidence, is that 
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correct? 
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No. We have phone records where 
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(phonetic), Mr. Epstein's assistant, is contacting 
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on her cell phone, or using her cell phone to call 
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cell phone starting in April of 2004, which makes 
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So she said that she was 16, but your evidence 
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shows that she was 15, and she said that she was told she 
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could make a few bucks giving a topless massage? 
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Yes. 
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what else did Miss 
tell you? 
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That she went to Mr. Epstein's residence, that 
took her there the first time, that when she went 
upstairs she was paid $200 when she first got there by 
Sara Kellin. Then she goes upstairs, and Mr. Epstein 
comes in, he disrobes, puts on a towel, lays down on the 
massage table and she begins to massage him. 
She tells Epstein that she heard he likes 
topless massages, and he told her that he did. And she 
said, •Who wouldn't?• And she ended up taking off her top 
during the first massage. But 
is clear that Mr. 
Epstein did not at any point touch her during the massage. 
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But does she admit that he touched himself? 
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Yes. On the second massage, Mr. Epstein asked 
her to leave her phone number with 
Her phone number 
was left there. On the second massage, she returned the 
very next day and gave him another massage. This time, 
Mr. Epstein masturbated in front of her. 
Q 
Did Miss 
admit that he masturbated on 
more than one occasion in her presence? 
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Yes, masturbated. And I think her term was that 
he •released,' meaning that he ejaculated. 
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How long of a period of time did Miss 
tell you that she performed massages? 
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She wasn't able to give us a number of massages, 
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but just said that it was a lot, and that she had been 
Q 
You mentioned to the grand jury that Miss 
said that Mr. Epstein never touched her, correct? 
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Yes. 
Q 
And she was very adamant about that? 
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Yes, she was. 
Q 
Were there other things that she was adamant 
about in her interview with you? 
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Well, she talked about what she would tell the 
girls that -- and that she told Mr. Epstein that she was 
18. I'm sorry, I take that back. She was told to say 
that she was 18, and she told us that she had a fake I.D. 
showing that she was 18. 
So she passed that information along to the 
other girls when she brought -- eventually she brought 
other girls to perform massages, and that was one of the 
things that she told -- she told us first that she brought 
18- to 20-year old girls. And then she stated that if the 
girls lied, and they were underage, she told them that 
they needed to tell Epstein that they were 18. 
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Have you been able to identify some of the girls 
that Miss 
brought to Mr. Epstein's home? 
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Yes. 
Q 
Were any of those girls over 18? 
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No, not that we found so far. 
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Have any of the girls told investigators about 
what Mr. Epstein knew about their ages? 
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I'm sorry, say that again. 
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Have any of the girls who came through 
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about what Mr. Epstein knew about 
been interviewed 
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their ages? 
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We did interview them regarding that, and I'm 
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not sure if he asked them. They were all told to say they 
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were 18, but not on every occasion would Mr. Epstein 
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inquire about their age. 
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Do you want to check your records on that? 
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Yes, could I do that? 
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YeS, please do. 
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I can tell you that one of the girls that she 
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brought -- this girl told Mr. Epstein that she was in high 
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school, and actually told him her true age, which was 
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under 18. 
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So what 
told you about, that wasn't 
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really the case? 
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No, that wasn't. Sorry. 
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That's all right, I just wanted to make sure 
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it's clear. 
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So Miss 
told you that she had been told 
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to say she was 18, and she also told you that she had a 
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fake I.D.? 
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Yes. 
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Did she ever say that Mr. Epstein either asked 
for her age or asked to see her I.D.? 
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No, the topic never came up. 
Q 
Did you also ask her about how appointments were 
made? 
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that 
Yes. She was very clear in the fact that 
would call her to arrange the appointments, but 
would call her once Jeffrey was in town. 
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So she was adamant that the calls only happened 
when she was already here? 
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Yes. 
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Were you made aware that Epstein's counsel was 
informed that he was being investigated for traveling to 
engage in prostitution, which means that the appointments 
would have been made before the traveling? 
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Yes. 
Q 
Was there anything else, besides the issue of 
age and the issue of when the appointments were made, that 
sounded 
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about 
which girls he would like 
Once 
coached or that she was especially adamant about? 
No, I wouldn't say coached. I mean, we talked 
the preferences that Jeffrey discussed, as far as 
o bring. 
tarted giving massages to Epstein, 
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told us that he liked different faces, so he would 
to bring other girls. We asked her if he ever 
preferences of what he preferred, and her 
was that Epstein liked girls like her, which is 
blond and attractive. 
ask her 
gave any 
response 
thin and 
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And how old was she at the time? 
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She was 15. 
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So thin, blonde, attractive and --
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Young, girls like her. I guess we asked if she 
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ever made a mistake, or ever brought somebody that Mr. 
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Epstein didn't take to. She said that she had screwed up 
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and that she had brought a black girl to Mr. Epstein, and 
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that Epstein was not interested in black girls. But he 
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did pay her, and said that he wasn't a racist. He paid 
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her the $200 for her time, but did not want her to perform 
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a massage for him. 
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And he didn't allow that girl to perform a 
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massage? 
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No. 
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Was there anything else that Miss 
talked 
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about in the interview that you want to share with the 
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grand jury? 
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I did ask her at the end of the interview if she 
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was in love with Mr. Epstein. She looked into the camera 
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and said that she loved him like a friend. But then she 
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kind of looked into the camera and gave a wink and a smile 
and said, "But with your money, I'd marry you any time, 
Jeffrey." 
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Did she also say that she considered him to be 
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an "awesome guy"? 
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Several times she referred to him as an "awesome 
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guy". She said that the girls begged her to come and that 
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the girls didn't have a complaint, and the girls would 
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share with her everything that happened after the massage, 
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and that Jeffrey never touched any of the girls. But as I 
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informed you, we did interview some of the girls that she 
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took, and he has touched them. 
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Q 
In preparation for your testimony today, did you 
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also speak with someone who is considered to be an expert 
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in these cases? 
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Yes. 
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And what is that person's name? 
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Q 
Has Mr. 
been qualified to testify as an 
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expert in federal and state courts in cases that involve 
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what he calls "compliant victims"? 
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Yes. 
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What does he mean by the term "compliant 
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victims"? 
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A compliant victim is when a victim is not 
—...nonesmomma. 
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necessarily forced into the conduct that the offender 
wants them to engage into, that they actually consent to 
that kind of activity. 
Q 
So that would include minors who are subjected 
to sexual activity but weren't necessarily kidnapped or 
forced at gunpoint, or something like that? 
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Exactly. 
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Did he discuss with you the difficulties that 
exist when you interview those types of victims? 
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Yes. He stated that a compliant victim is often 
times embarrassed that they went along with the behavior. 
They are also likely to deny the behavior, especially when 
being interviewed by investigators, that they'll deny it 
or they'll minimize it. Sometimes it takes two, three or 
multiple interviews to get compliant victims to either 
trust their interviewer or realize that their interviewer 
is not going to be judgemental. 
Q 
In this case, have you found that to be the case 
with some of the interviews? 
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Yes, I have. 
Q 
In addition to being embarrassed, sometimes 
these victims feel guilty about the fact that they were 
involved in this type of activity? 
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Oh, yes. 
Q 
Does Mr. 
also have expertise in sexual 
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preference of offenders? 
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Yes, he does. 
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Q 
Did he explain why an offender would select the 
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types of victims that are involved in this case, girls 
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between 14 and 17-years-old? 
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This type of offender, the sexual preference he 
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has is for post-pubescent females that are physically 
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developed but not necessarily mentally matured. The girls 
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ranging in this age are sometimes inexperienced, they are 
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possibly naive, not as worldly. 
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An offender of this type could also maybe not 
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feel sexually adequate or feel competent dealing with his 
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own age group. So knowing that these girls are less 
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experienced, may focus on them as well. 
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In addition to their emotional immaturity, did 
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Mr. Lanning talk about whether or not younger girls are 
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easier to manipulate than grown women? 
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Yes. 
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Did he talk to you about 'grooming•? 
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Yeah. That's what an offender will use with a 
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compliant victim. He told us that grooming is a technique 
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where you gain the cooperation of those victims by 
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focusing on their interests and playing up to those 
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interests. It's a type of seduction, he called it. That 
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was his words for it. And we actually see this in this 
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case. 
Q 
Can you give us an example of some of the types 
of grooming that Mr. Epstein used? 
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With one of the girls we're going to talk about 
today, 
it's very apparent interviewing her how 
Epstein groomed her. She only went to three or four 
massages at this time, that she's admitted to. We feel 
that due to her phone conversations, the multiple calls, 
that there may be more there. At this point she has 
stated to us that she has performed three or four massages 
for Mr. Epstein. 
What he did is when she first went there he 
played upon -- she was very shy, and he would play upon 
that shyness. He told her that she was pretty. He asked 
her to remove her clothing, and she would not. So he kind 
of kidded around with her shyness and complimented her, 
showed interest in her, talked about her boyfriend and 
different interests she had. 
At the end of that interview, because she did 
not take off her clothes, he tells her that if she's 
willing to do more, she will make more. He also tells her 
that he would pay her if she would bring other girls. As 
the massages increased, you can see that the next time she 
comes he plays again to that shyness, but he gets a little 
bit more -- I guess he sees that it's not working. This 
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time she does comply and takes off her 
he asked her to 
disrobe on the second massage. She takes off her blouse, 
but she refuses to take off the bra after Mr. Epstein 
asked her to. 
So you can see that he tries through showing 
interest. And then he actually -- when he sees that this 
isn't working, he takes a more authoritative role with her 
in the last massage. She said that throughout all of 
these massages he was very nice, and then at the end he 
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was much more frustrated and irritated. She does get down 
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where every time they went back, he tried to push it one 
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step further and one step further? 
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Yes. Several of the girls have said that he 
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would always push for more and more. 
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compliant child victim cannot legally consent to the 
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to her bra and panties on that one, he's just much 
more authoritative. 
So he started with the grooming process, tried 
to get her interest, tried to use that to get her to 
comply with removing her clothes. But as often happens, 
at the end of this, he took over and was much more 
forceful with his requests. 
Q 
Have other girls described that same situation 
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Did Mr. Lanning explain why it is that a 
sexual conduct? 
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Yeah. He stated that -- you know, we talked 
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about how the law protects children, and stated that we 
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hold adults accountable. When it comes to adolescents, 
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they go through normal tendencies that mature offenders 
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may try to take advantage of. But the law is in place for 
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that reason, to protect -- in the federal law, to protect 
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those individuals under the age of 18. 
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And that's because of the different maturity 
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levels of the --
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The offender versus the victims, exactly. 
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Q 
Did you put together the photographs of the 
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defendants in this case? 
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Yes, I did. 
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Are these photographs of the four human 
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defendants who are named in the proposed indictment? 
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Yes. 
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With their names underneath them? 
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Yes. 
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Q 
Agent, who is in the top left-hand corner? 
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That's Jeffrey Epstein. 
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When was this photograph taken? 
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Recently. There was an article that just came 
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out regarding Mr. Epstein and his connection, or his 
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personal relationship with Prince Andrew, and that was a 
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picture that was in that article. 
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Who is in the top right-hand corner? 
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That's 
Q 
Again, this is a relatively recent photograph? 
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Yes, that's his personal assistant. 
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And the bottom left-hand corner? 
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Again, that is one of Mr. Epstein's personal 
assistants, that's 
Q 
Has Miss 
since gotten married? 
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Yes, her name now is 
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And the bottom right-hand corner? 
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That is 
She is, again, a 
personal assistant to Mr. Epstein. There has been some 
talk that she is also romantically -- or I should say 
sexually involved with Mr. Epstein. 
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How old are the defendants? 
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Jeffrey is in his mid-fifties, and the three 
girls are in their early twenties. 
Do you have a copy of the draft indictment in 
front of you? 
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Yes, I do. 
You mentioned when we were looking at the 
photographs that the three females work as personal 
assistants for Mr. Epstein, is that correct? 
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Yes. 
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So he is their employer? 
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Yes. 
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Are you familiar with the property located at 
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358 El Brillo Way in Palm Beach? 
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That's Mr. Epstein residence. 
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And he owns that residence? 
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Yes, he does. 
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Are you familiar with Defendant J.E.G.E., Inc.? 
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Yes. J.E.G.E., Inc. is owned by Jeffrey 
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Epstein. He is the president, the owner, the sole 
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director. It's a business that is solely used for the 
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activities of one of Mr. Epstein's airplanes, which is his 
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Boeing 727. Its tail number is N908JE. 
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And you mentioned that he is the president and 
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the sole director. Is he also the sole shareholder? 
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Yes, he is. 
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Q 
Are you familiar with Hyperion Air, Inc.? 
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Yes. Hyperion Air, Inc. is also a business 
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owned by Mr. Epstein. He is also the president, the 
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director and the sole shareholder of that company as well. 
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That company solely does business with his other aircraft, 
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which is a Gulf Stream G-1159B. It bears a tail number 
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N909JE. 
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Is that a smaller aircraft than the Boeing? 
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Yes. 
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Q 
Just to briefly remind the grand jury about 
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where the evidence has been collected in this case, was 
the start of your investigation information that you 
received from the Palm Beach Police Department? 
A 
Yes, it was. 
Q 
And that included evidence seized during a 
search of Mr. Epstein's home at El Brillo Way? 
A 
Yes. 
Q 
Also controlled calls that the Palm Beach Police 
Department placed? 
A 
Yes. 
Q 
And interviews of girls and other people by the 
Palm Beach Police Department? 
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Yes, as well as trash pulls that the Palm Beach 
Police Department conducted on Mr. Epstein's residence. 
Q 
Then when the FBI became involved, the FBI did 
additional interviews of girls and of recruiters? 
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Yes. 
Q 
They obtained phone records? 
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Yes, we have. 
Q 
And records of payments? 
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Yes. 
Q 
Did this grand jury also subpoena travel 
records? 
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Yes. 
Q 
Including the flight manifests of the planes 
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owned by Hyperion and J.E.G.E.? 
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Yes. 
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Did you also get corporate documents related to 
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those two planes? 
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Yes, we have. 
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Once you had obtained all of this information, 
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did the FBI analyze the data, specifically the call 
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information and the flight information to put together a 
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pattern of activity by the defendants? 
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Yes, we did. 
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So you have a series of phone calls coming from 
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these three assistants who were on the board, the two 
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girls who have been identified through this investigation? 
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Yes. 
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Q 
when you spoke with those girls, did any of them 
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tell you that they had developed some sort of a personal 
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relationship with the assistants so that they were just 
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chatting over the telephone? 
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No, not at all. 
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Q 
All of them said what about the phone calls? 
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Said that the phone calls were made to set up 
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appointments for Mr. Epstein. 
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Q 
And the girls referred to it as appointments to 
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work, is that right? 
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Yes, they were appointments to work. There is 
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say on one or two occasions 
called her when she had gone out 
She did 
had 
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to California on a trip, I believe. But that is the only 
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time that that was ever mentioned. In fact, we asked, and 
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those phone calls were made for the purpose of setting up 
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appointments for Mr. Epstein. 
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Is the investigation continuing? 
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Yes, it is. 
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Q 
Are you still trying to locate and interview 
more girls? 
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Yes. 
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Q 
Let's turn to the specific evidence reporting 
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the overt acts and offenses relating to Jane Doe's 1 
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through 5. I know that every member of the grand jury has 
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a copy of the draft indictment before them, and also a 
chart. 
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Do you have a copy of that chart as well? 
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I do. 
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Do you have photographs of the five girls that 
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we are going to talk about today? 
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Yes. 
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Q 
And these are photographs of the people that we 
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are calling Jane Doe's 1 through 5? 
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And Jane Doe Number 1, you have previously 
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testified about her? 
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Yes, I have, that's 
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Jane Doe Number 2? 
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That is 
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Q 
Jane Doe Number 3? 
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That is 
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Jane Doe Number 4? 
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Faith P. 
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And Jane Doe Number 5? 
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That is 
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JUROR: The purpose of Epstein's business with 
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his planes, did he transport? 
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THE WITNESS: To travel around. 
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JUROR: So it wasn't like a business of 
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transporting other people? 
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THE WITNESS: He flew other guests, sometimes 
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unaccompanied, sometimes accompanied. 
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JUROR: 
and 
do you have 
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any evidence 
started young, like the rest 
that they 
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of the recruits? 
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THE WITNESS: We have evidence that they are his 
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personal assistants employed by him, not that it was 
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anything like what we were discussing. 
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JUROR: There was an allegation that was made 
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