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a 1 2 3 (Witness enters the Grand Jury Room.) THE FOREPERSON: You do solemnly swear that the testimony you give will be the 4 truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the 5 truth, so help you God? 6 THE WITNESS: I do. 7 THE FOREPERSON: Thank you. Please be 8 seated. 9 EXAMINATION 10 BY 1 1 Q Special Agent , do you have a 12 chart bearing the photographs of the victims with 13 their new and old Jane Doe Numbers? 14 A Yes, I do. 15 : Shall we pass it out to 16 the grand jury, please. 17 BY 18 Q We are going to start today with Jane 19 Doe Number 14. The Overt Acts related to Jane Doe 20 Number 14 begin on Page 22 of the proposed 21 indictment. 22 Special Agent , can you 23 remind the grand jury who is Jane Doe Number 14? 24 A Jane Doe Number 14 is a white female 25 named She was born in She OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE, LLC EFTA00085411
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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 1 1 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 attende High School. Q And have you testified about her previously? A Yes, I have. Q Is there anything that you want to clarify or add regarding your earlier testimony? A No. Q Can you remind the grand jury of the period of time that Jane Doe Number 14 had contact with Jeffrey Epstein? A She went to Mr. Epstein's house during November 2004 through March 2005. Q And how old was she during that time frame? A Seventeen. Q Please summarize the sexual activity that Jane Doe Number 14 was involved with, with Jeffrey Epstein. A Jane Doe Number 14 was asked by Mr. Epstein to pinch and rub his nipples. Mr. Epstein masturbated in Jane Doe Number 14's presence. Jane Doe Number 14 had a massager slash vibrator used on by Mr. Epstein. Mr. Epstein Jane Doe Number 14's He performed oral sex on OFFICIAL RP:PORTING SRRV CE, LLC EFTA00085412
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5 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 1 1 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Jane Doe Number 14. He also had sexual intercourse with Jane Doe Number 14. Q And can you just tell us briefly what Jeffrey Epstein's knowledge was of Jane Doe Number 14's age? A Jane Doe Number 14, during the times that she provided the massages, on one of those occasions she was asked her age and she told him that she was 18. On a later visit, they were talking about Jane Doe Number 14's upcoming birthday and Mr. Epstein inquired about her 18th birthday, and Jane Doe Number 14 acknowledged that that would be her upcoming birthday. Epstein actually called her on that and said: So you are not really 18 yet? And they both kind of laughed about it. And so he knew that Jane Doe Number 14 was having her upcoming birthday. Q Does your prior testimony and your testimony today cover the evidence supporting the allegations in Overt Acts 112 through 131? A Yes. A review of the phone calls indicate telephonic contact between and Jane Doe Number 14 as well as and OFFICIAL RFPORTTNR qFPVICE, LLC EFTA00085413
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6 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Jane Doe Number 14. A review of the carbon copy message pads recovered during the execution of the state search warrant revealed messages between Jane Doe Number 14 and Jeffrey Epstein's Palm Beach residence. I have one of those here and I will read it for the record, which is specifically Overt Act 126. It's a message for on January 26, 2005, at 1 :30 p.m. It's from It says, you know the number, in parentheses. And then it says, she is confirming for 5:30 p.m. And it was taken by one of Mr. Epstein's house managers. We also have the statement of Jane Doe Number 14, which as I summarized before the discussion of the age, and we also have supporting documentation to corroborate the statement such as petty cash receipts from one of the house managers where he is documented paying Jane Doe Number 14, as well as a Western Union transaction that occurred at Christmas where Mr. Epstein provided Jane Doe Number 14 with $200 as a Christmas present. Q All right. Referring to Count Eight, which is -- is the testimony that you summarized OFFICIAL REPORTTNa SERVICE, LLC EFTA00085414
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7 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 1 1 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 the basis for the allegation that Jeffrey Epstein, , and procured Jane Doe Number 14 to engage in commercial sex acts knowing that she was under 18? A Yes. Q And referring to Count 19 is the evidence you just summarized the basis for the allegation that Jeffrey Epstein, , and used a facility in interstate commerce to persuade, induce, and entice Jane Doe Number 14 to engage in prostitution and in a sexual activity for which a person can be charged with an offense? A Yes. Q How many telephone calls have you been able to document between John Doe Number 14 and A We have approximately 70 phone calls between and Jane Doe Number 14. Q And what about with A Approximately seven. Q And because this is a little bit different than some of the other charges in addition to alleging procurement to engage in prostitution as well as an allegation of procuring OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE, LLC EFTA00085415
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8 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 to engage in sexual activity for which a person can be charged with a criminal offense, what is that particular sexual activity that she and Jeffrey Epstein engaged in that also violates Florida state law? A Sexual intercourse. Q Now if you could turn to Jane Doe Number 15. Can you tell the grand jury who she is? A Jane Doe Number 15 is a white female named She was born She attended igh School. I have testified about her previously. Q Is there anything that you want to clarify or add regarding your previous testimony? A No. Q Please remind the grand jury during what period did Jane Doe Number 15 have contact with Jeffrey Epstein. A We have telephonic contact between and Jane Doe Number 15 starting on December of 2004 through October of 2005. We believe through statements that she went to Jeffrey Epstein's residence earlier than that. She stopped for a time period and then returned and that's when we have the phone calls OFFICIAL RFPnRTTNC: qFRVirF, LLC EFTA00085416
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9 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 starting up. Q Now during this period of the phone calls, how old was Jane Doe Number 15? A She was 17. Q All right. Up until her birthday, correct? A Yes. Q Did the phone contact continue after she turned 18? A Yes. As I mentioned, the phone calls continued to October of 2005 and she turned 18 in June. Q Please summarize the sexual activity that she was involved with, with Jeffrey Epstein. A Epstein requested Jane Doe Number 15 to pinch his nipples. Mr. Epstein would fondle and pinch Jane Doe Number 15's nipples. Mr. Epstein also engaged in masturbation in front of Jane Doe Number 15. Mr. Epstein used a massager slash vibrator on Jane Doe Number 15's Epstein also 15's and Mr. Jane Doe Number Q Does your prior testimony and your testimony here today cover the evidence and the OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE, LLC EFTA00085417
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10 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 allegations in Overt Acts 132 to 148 and Overt Act 175? A Yes. A review of the phone records indicate telephonic contact between and Jane Doe Number 15 as well as and Jane Doe Number 15. We also have the review of the carbon copy message pads that were recovered in the state search warrant, in the execution of the state search warrant, which revealed the message from to Epstein, and I have that. Specifically Overt Act 175, and it's for Jeffrey Epstein. The date is October 1 , 2005, at 9:50 a.m. The message is from and the message reads, 7onfirmed at 11 :00 a.m. and at 4 p.m. And is it signed by one of Mr. Epstein's house managers. We also have reviewed the evidence which was obtained in a trash pull that was conducted at Mr. Epstein's residence by the Palm Beach Police Department in April of 2005 where a piece of paper was recovered in the trash, which is Overt Act 147. It reads, 10:30, Friday around 2:00. And then there's a 3 on OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE, LLC EFTA00085418
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1 1 1 2 3 4 S 6 7 8 9 10 1 1 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 underneath it on Mr. Epstein's stationery. We have the statements from Jane Doe Number 15 as well as other witnesses. Q Now with respect to Mr. Epstein's knowledge of Jane Doe Number 15's age, have you testified about that previously? A Yes, I have. Q And let me hand you two transcripts. One is of your testimony on March 20, 2007, and the second is May 15, 2007. If you would just read those for the grand jury. A The first one from Tuesday, March 20, 2007, on page 17, starting on line 4. (Thereupon, the testimony of SPECIAL AGENT taken on Tuesday, March 20, 2007, before Grand Jury 07-103 was read into the record as follows:) Question. Okay. And what did she say were some of the topics of discussion? Answer. Mr. Epstein asked her questions about herself, asked her if she was a soccer player or that -- Jeffrey knew that she was a soccer player and asked questions about her college, about where she was going to school. is currently going to Lynn OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE, LLC EFTA00085419
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12 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 University, and she had advised Mr. Epstein that she would be attending college at Lynn University. Question: So that was a -- but that was her future plan? Answer. Yes. Question. So in other words, did Mr. Epstein know the time? Answer. Beach Police asked her age and that she was in high school at Yes, he did. And the Palm if Jeffrey knew told the Palm Beach Police Department, he didn't care what my age was. (Thereupon, the reading of the transcript concluded.) THE WITNESS: Testimony from Tuesday, May 15, 2007, page 4, line 19. (Thereupon, the testimony of taken on Tuesday, May 15, 2007, before Grand Jury 07-103 was read into th' record as follows:) Question. And just briefly can you remind the grand jury, did Mr. Epstein her age? ever tell OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE, LLC EFTA00085420
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13 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 1 1 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Answer. No, they did not ever discuss -- she did not tell him how old she was, but she did tell him where she planned on going to school and that she was in soccer. She stated that when it came to her age that Mr. Epstein didn't care As I mentioned earlier, and (Thereupon, the reading of the transcript was interrupted.) THE WITNESS: Which is old Jane Doe Number Four, and that is not in here. Starting at line 24 (Thereupon, the reading of the transcript continued.) Answer. She stated that when it came to her age that Mr. Epstein mentioned earlier, very good friends and ■ about and Mr. Epstein would ask when didn't care. As I were would talk about questions was providing massages, and as we will talk about when we talk about Jane Doe Number Four, which is she told Mr. Epstein that she was a junior in high school and that and OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE, LLC EFTA00085421
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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 her were in the same classes together and that they were very good friends. And told us that at one point had come to her because she had slipped about prom, and she was worried because Epstein was supposed to think she was 18 and she had talked about the prom, an said she never heard anything else about it and they never brought it up. Question. Because according to Mr. Epstein didn't care really how old the girls were? Answer. Exactly. Question. And she never mentioned he asked her for her age or asked for any form of identification to show whether she was or was not over 18? Answer. No. (Thereupon, the reading of the transcript concluded.) Q Referring to Count Number Nine is the evidence you just summarized the basis for the allegation that Jeffrey Epstein, , and procured Jane Doe Number 15 to engage OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE, LLC EFTA00085422
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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 in commercial sex acts knowing that she was under Q And if I could refer you to Count 20. Is the evidence you just summarized the basis for the allegation that Jeffrey Epstein, and used a facility of interstate commerce to persuade, induce, and entice Jane Doe Number 15 to engage in prostitution? A Yes. Q How many telephone calls have you been able to document between Jane Doe Number 15 and A We have over 125 phone calls between and Jane Doe Number 15. Q And how many telephone calls between Jane Doe Number 15 and Ross? A Twenty-five approximately. Q Now if we could turn to Jane Doe Number 16 and could you remind the grand jury who Jane Doe Number 16 is? A Jane Doe Number 16 is a white female named She was born in and she attended High School. Q Have you testified about her before? OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE, LLC EFTA00085423
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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A Yes. Q Is there anything that you want to clarify or add regarding your earlier testimony? A No. Q Please remind the grand jury of the period of time during which Jane Doe Number 16 was involved with, with Jeffrey Epstein? A Jane Doe Number 16, we have telephonic phone calls beginning February of 2005 through October of 2005. Q And how old was Jane Doe Number 16 during that period? A She was 17. Q Please summarize the sexual activity that Jane Doe Number 16 was involved with, with Jeffrey A Epstein. Jane Doe Number 16, Mr. Epstein masturbated in front of Jane Doe Number 16. Mr. Epstein used a massager slash vibrator on Jane Doe Number 16's Mr. Epstein had Jane Doe Number 16 watch as Epstein engaged in , which Mr. and and buttocks in front sexual activity with Epstein also had r ondle each other breasts from Mr. Epstein. OFFICIAL ornnomTmn erour E, LLC EFTA00085424
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17 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Mr. Epstein had sexual intercourse with Jane Doe Number 16 for which Mr. Epstein offered and paid Jane Doe Number 16 more money which was 300 to $350. Q Did Jane Doe Number 16 recruit anyone to go to Jeffrey Epstein's home? A She did. Jane Doe Number 16 took a white female by the name of who was over the age of 18. She also brought Jane Doe Number 17. Q And before we get to that, can you remind the grand jury who recruited Jane Doe Number 16 to go to Jeffrey Epstein's house? A Jane Doe Number 16 -- if you can hold on one second -- was recruited by Jane Doe Number Nine. Q And the last time we were here, you testified about Jane Doe Number Nine? A Yes, I did. Q And you testified Overt Act Number 90, which was a payment that Jeffrey Epstein made to Jane Doe Number Nine for recruiting Jane Doe Number 16 to his home? A Yes. Q Now you mentioned that Jane Doe Number OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE, LLC EFTA00085425
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18 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 1 1 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 16 also recruited someone who you referred to as Jane Doe Number 17. Can you tell the grand jury who that is? A Jane the name of she attended Q Have A No. Q Has she been interviewed? A Yes. Q During what period of time did Jane Doe Number 17 have contact with Jeffrey Epstein? A Jane Doe Number 17 began her contact in February of 2005 and went to Mr. Epstein's house on two occasions. Q How old was she during that time frame? A Sixteen. Q And how did she meet Jeffrey Epstein? A Jane Doe Number 16 brought Jane Doe Number 17 to Mr. Epstein's residence. They went, as I mentioned earlier, only twice did Jane Doe Number 17 go. Jane Doe Number 16 went much more than that. Doe Number 17 is a white female by She was born in and High School. you testified about her previously? But Jane Doe Number 17 was taken there twice by Jane Doe Number 16. Jane Doe Number 16 OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE, LLC EFTA00085426
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19 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 1 1 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 and Jane Doe Number 17 performed a massage together wearing only their underwear. After a while during the massage, Mr. Epstein requested that Jane Doe Number 16 wait downstairs. Jane Doe Number 16 got dressed and left. Jane Doe Number 17 continued the massage. Mr. Epstein began to masturbate. Mr. Epstein paid Jane Doe Number 17, $200. Jane Doe Number 17 stated that Jane Doe Number 16 had also received money for that day. Jane Doe Number 17 went back to Mr. Epstein's house approximately a month later. This time Mr. Epstein requested that Jane Doe Number 17 perform the massage completely nude. He used a vibrator on Jane Doe Number 17's vagina and masturbated until he ejaculated and then the massage was over. Q How much was Jane Doe Number 17 paid? A She was paid $200. Q And you mentioned that she was 16 during the time of these massages? A Yes. Q Did Jane Doe Number 17 recruit anyone to go to Jeffrey Epstein's house? A No. OFFICIAL PrDnoTTvr Q"/"ICE, LLC EFTA00085427
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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 1 1 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Q Does your prior testimony and the testimony here today cover the evidence supporting the allegations in Overt Acts 90 and 149 through 181? A Yes. A review of the phone records indicate telephonic contact between and Jane Doe Number 16, which also includes multiple text messages from to Jane Doe Number 16. and Jane Doe Number 16 and also telephonic contact between and Jane Doe Number 16. Regarding Jane Doe Number 17, we have telephonic contact between and Jane Doe Number 16 and Jeffrey Epstein's residence and Jane Doe Number 16. Followed by telephonic contact between Jane Doe Number 16 and Jane Doe Number 17. Q Let me interrupt you just a second, Special Agent So in other words, because Jane Doe Number 16 is the person who brought Jane Doe Number 17 those two times where the records show contact from someone from Epstein's group to Jane Doe Number 16 immediately followed by a phone call to Jane Doe Number 17? A Yes. OFFICIAL PrPORTINC SERVICE, LLC EFTA00085428
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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 21 Q Okay. Sorry. Please continue. A We also have carbon copy messages. message pad. It was recovered during the execution of a state search warrant which indicates contact between Jane Doe Number 16 and Epstein's employee. Specifically Overt Act 175 and Overt Act 178, and I will get those and read those. Overt Act 175 is what I read previously regarding Jane Doe Number 15, but I will read it again. It is for Jeffrey Epstein, dated October 1st, 2005, at 9:50 a.m. The message is from . The message says, confirmed at 1 1 a.m. and 4 p.m. It's signed by a house manager of Mr. Epstein's. Overt Act 178 is a message for Jeffrey Epstein, dated 10-2-2005. The time is 9:05 p.m. I'm sorry. Strike that. It's a message for Jeffrey Epstein, dated October 3rd, 2005, at 4:10 p.m. The message is for and the message is, will be a half hour late. It's signed by Mr. Epstein's house manager. Q Is it for or it's from OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE, LLC EFTA00085429
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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 1 1 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 22 A It is taken by Mr. Epstein's house manager, . The "For" line is addressed to Jeffrey Epstein and then the "M" line says called and left that message for Jeffrey Epstein? A Calling Q Right. Referring to Count Ten, does the evidence that you just summarized the basis for the allegation that Jeffrey Epstein, , and procured Jane Doe Number 16 to engage in commercial sex acts knowing that she was under 18? A Yes. The only other thing I'd like to say is that we did obtain through the trash pull that the Palm Beach Police Department conducted in April of 2005, there was a computer printout of messages for Mr. Epstein which showed us a message from which read, can work tomorrow at 4 p.m. This is listed as Overt Act 162, and then we also have the statements of both Jane Doe Numbers 16 and 17. Q Can you remind the grand jury about how Jeffrey Epstein knew Jane Doe Number 16's age and whether he did anything in recognition of her age? A Jane Doe Number 16 told Jeffrey Epstein OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE, LLC EFTA00085430